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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 13 March 2017, 13:06:25
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On the one hand, I'd like to punch her in the face for being an irritating, self-important cow. But on the other hand, I'd like to kiss her just in case she actually pulls it off and we can stop having to listen to the whining from the SNP.
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Keep going and having referendums till you get the right result.
Might just be that Hadrians wall (presumably at the Scots expense) will have to be rebuilt and manned. ;D ;D
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Keep going and having referendums till you get the right result.
Might just be that Hadrians wall (presumably at the Scots expense) will have to be rebuilt and manned. ;D ;D
Now wouldn't that be a delicious irony :)
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On the one hand, I'd like to punch her in the face for being an irritating, self-important cow. But on the other hand, I'd like to kiss her just in case she actually pulls it off and we can stop having to listen to the whining from the SNP.
Oh come on, you fancy the pants off her really . . . ;D
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I want the Scots to be happy.
If the majority of Scots are unhappy with the union then I think it best we part company.
I would caution wee Jimmy though.....be careful what you wish for.
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On the one hand, I'd like to punch her in the face for being an irritating, self-important cow. But on the other hand, I'd like to kiss her just in case she actually pulls it off and we can stop having to listen to the whining from the SNP.
Oh come on, you fancy the pants off her really . . . ;D
I do. :-* :-* :-* :-*
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I'm not sure whether she's doing this for the sake of the country, looking for massive concessions from Westminster to keep her quiet, or whether she's just trying for a place in history.
Scotland just doesn't have the economic clout to survive on it's own, an there'll be no European Parliament to run to if they have problems with England, because we'll have left. The old oil revenue argument has, for now, gone. I just can't see anything to be gained, other than nationalistic 'pride'.
One things for sure, until they get another referendum, with a resounding 'no', they won't be quiet. SNP, that is, not the Scots as a nation.
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I'm not sure whether she's doing this for the sake of the country, looking for massive concessions from Westminster to keep her quiet, or whether she's just trying for a place in history.
Scotland just doesn't have the economic clout to survive on it's own, an there'll be no European Parliament to run to if they have problems with England, because we'll have left. The old oil revenue argument has, for now, gone. I just can't see anything to be gained, other than nationalistic 'pride'.
One things for sure, until they get another referendum, with a resounding 'no', they won't be quiet. SNP, that is, not the Scots as a nation.
Possibly.
But if the average Glaswegian could be encouraged to double or treble his/her intake of Scotch then the GDP of Scotland would grow significantly. :)
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Scotland can't afford to be independent.
Would Spain say welcome an independent Scotland into the EU, with the Catalonia question in the background ?
The whole thing is nonsense.
However if by some mischance she did win a second referendum then the Treasury should say, Okay but you do not get one penny more from us, no more Barnett formula. no more UK contracts for navy shipyards etc, etc. You want to go it alone then do so. Might be a problem over Faslane but we could agree to rent it for a 1p a year for 100 years.
I still think the border plus having to adopt the Euro will kill the idea dead not to mention their fair share of the national debt based on area ;D ;D ;D
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Keep going and having referendums till you get the right result.
Might just be that Hadrians wall (presumably at the Scots expense) will have to be rebuilt and manned. ;D ;D
:o Hope not , I live 300yds on the Scottish side , so see you jimmy !
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It annoys me that the idea is even given credence. Scotland wants to stay in the EU. Hellooooo......Scotland is not in the EU.
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Her demand was inevitable .
The SNP have been doggedly working towards their goal for decades and a rebuke by the people of Scotland was never going to get in their way, No ,that was just an unplanned for and irritating minor setback.
The political scene in Scotland is in total collapse with the SNP having NO opposition, they believe it is their time and want it.
It matters not what the fiscal policy is as no government stays with the initial plan so they can propose virtually anything knowing that the dice will fall where they fall and blame can always be attributed to something or someone beyond their control.
In 2014 oil was the mainstay of the promised wealth for all but that was quietly dropped when the bum fell out of that industry.
The SNP know that once independent there is no way back so they will have it all , forever , and if it all goes wrong .." well you voted for it didn't you ".
Scotland enjoys all the benefits ,and more , that the whole of the UK does and will find it utterly impossible to provide anything remotely equal to that level of quality of life using the revenue raised from a populace of 5.2 million. National Health Service .... ? wake up people .
I am Scottish and live in Ireland . With a population of 4.7 million it is living a hand to mouth existence with everyone expecting a similar standard of living to UK and getting none of it . I visited Ireland many times prior to moving here and before their acceptance into the EU it was a poverty stricken place .
Will the EU be the cash cow it's been in the past ? Mmm not sure I'd be certain of that ......
I urge any Scot to look carefully, very carefully , at the machinations of this little country as that is what is before you if you decide to " go it alone " .
I'd bet that within a short time that the political landscape would follow this broken one and witness the rise of the "Independent " MP and break away factions of the "real " SNP. Then the real fun begins ;D
However in saying all that, all she needs to do is screen Braveheart once a week in the month before the vote and it's a "shootie in ...."
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Not only does she want to remain in the EU. She wants Scotland to be independent. How is that not a contradiction in terms ? ! ::)
I doubt Theresa will allow her to have another vote any time soon, so she will probably stamp her wee feet and get more power and more free money.
If she did have the vote I think she would lose again and that would finish her career. The thought of the cursed Euro for a currency and a hard border (which would, imo be inevitable) would concentrate minds.
If she did win the vote, I predict the Scottish economy would be in third world territory in less than a decade, and they would be begging to rejoin the UK.
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Not only does she want to remain in the EU. She wants Scotland to be independent. How is that not a contradiction in terms ? ! ::)
I doubt Theresa will allow her to have another vote any time soon, so she will probably stamp her wee feet and get more power and more free money.
If she did have the vote I think she would lose again and that would finish her career. The thought of the cursed Euro for a currency and a hard border (which would, imo be inevitable) would concentrate minds.
That was pretty tame for you, Albs. ;D
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I'm maturing into a chilled out old dude. :y..............who hates people. ;D
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The grievance politics of the SNP knows no bounds. This former CND left wing nutter is trying to break the UK apart at the seams, that is her only aim, she hates anything British or English, and Scottish, for that matter, likely stemming from her days as wee eck the CND champion. By God she portrays herself as the antithesis of Margaret Thatcher, however her family done quite well out of Thatcher the milk snatcher's right to buy scheme, buying their lowly Dreghorn council house back in the day.
Further to that her family has roots in....wait for it.....NE England :o
People here are sick to death listening to her as well. She only got a near victory vote because they canvassed all the poor areas where most of the benefits go, they weren't daft they knew a tory government would cut their benefits and they knew promising to keep all those lovely hand outs would (almost) guarantee them victory.
I hope she gets the referendum date because that will be her effectively naming the day of her political downfall. Until that time just keep asking her what currency we will be using and that will shut her up!
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I'm maturing into a chilled out old dude. :y ..............who hates people. ;D
It just saves time. Then you weed out the few people that are worth knowing.
The idea of being independent from England, but insisting on being part of the EU is a thoroughly schizophrenic idea.
And as Scotland is part of a union, the other states must have a say in the dissolution of it. How many Scots would accept the English result of a referendum telling them to opps off and stand on their own two feet?
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Darien Scheme anyone?
http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/the-darien-scheme-the-colonial-dream-that-altered-course-of-scotland-s-history-1-822006 (http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/the-darien-scheme-the-colonial-dream-that-altered-course-of-scotland-s-history-1-822006)
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The grievance politics of the SNP knows no bounds. This former CND left wing nutter is trying to break the UK apart at the seams, that is her only aim, she hates anything British or English, and Scottish, for that matter, likely stemming from her days as wee eck the CND champion. By God she portrays herself as the antithesis of Margaret Thatcher, however her family done quite well out of Thatcher the milk snatcher's right to buy scheme, buying their lowly Dreghorn council house back in the day.
Further to that her family has roots in....wait for it.....NE England :o
People here are sick to death listening to her as well. She only got a near victory vote because they canvassed all the poor areas where most of the benefits go, they weren't daft they knew a tory government would cut their benefits and they knew promising to keep all those lovely hand outs would (almost) guarantee them victory.
I hope she gets the referendum date because that will be her effectively naming the day of her political downfall. Until that time just keep asking her what currency we will be using and that will shut her up!
That's genuinely interesting, in a good way.
I know a lot of people in Scotland and do business there. In the run-up to the last referendum I would causually raise the issue talking face-to-face to people I know quite well, and they would just clam-up. Some nasty things went on, and would happen again. There is a rabid mindless nationalistic element at work, blind to reality.
Thank heavens I see no such ambitions here in Wales, well not much.
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As far as I'm aware the SNP havn't solved the issues that lost them the last referendum have they? :-\
Currency? EU Membership? Border with England? etc etc ::)
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As far as I'm aware the SNP havn't solved the issues that lost them the last referendum have they? :-\
Currency? EU Membership? Border with England? etc etc ::)
Politicians love issues. They can cherish and increase them until the oppsers retire. They have no intention or capability of actually solving them.
They will, of course run a mile from being involved with an actual problem
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I'm maturing into a chilled out old dude. :y ..............who hates people. ;D
It just saves time. Then you weed out the few people that are worth knowing.
The idea of being independent from England, but insisting on being part of the EU is a thoroughly schizophrenic idea.
And as Scotland is part of a union, the other states must have a say in the dissolution of it. How many Scots would accept the English result of a referendum telling them to opps off and stand on their own two feet?
So very true. I just wish I had learned that earlier in life, but better late than never I suppose. ;)
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As the Royal Navy will only buy British it will do wonders for Clyde ship building. All the People's Democratic Republic of Scotland's navy will be able to afford is a rowing boat called Boaty MacStugeon. ;D ;D ;D
I'm sure all the Scottish fishermen will love the thought of getting their fishing rights back to lose them immediately to CAF again. :o :o :o
I'm personally happy for Gordon McRuin to take over the running of such paragons of financial virtue RBS and HBOS, with RBS never ending multi-billion losses, what could ever go wrong. ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
Expensive to extract near end of life offshore oilfields are just what you need to compete with the US shale costs which are dropping and dropping with ever improving technology and production techniques. They are just seeing off the OPEC Saudi / Russia production targets with another oil glut forming and prices dropping. :y :y :y Jimmy Krankies drop of oil won't even register on global output in comparison. Trumps pressing ahead with oil pipelines will help drive down costs even further. :)
Of course I would never suggest that we ramp up our own massive shale reserves so we easily undercut Scotland oil and gas costs, no not at all. ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
If there is another referendum I think it is only fair that the English, Welsh and Northern Irish get to decide if we want to keep Scotland. The last time I did a pub straw poll on this it was near to 100% of getting rid, with a few brickies offering their services for free in building the wall a bit higher. ;D ;D ;D
Scotch Whiskey is also going to come under pressure where the Yanks have perfected producing the equivalent of 10yo Malt Scotch in a few months and at a fraction of the price. ???
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STEMO...Would You :-*
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;D ;D ;D The Trouble With Scotland Is There's No Enough Scots :y :y :y
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The trouble with England is that there are too many of them here! :y
Ron.
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Having a friend, up the far North, who is a boat driver, in a roundabout way for HMG, he has already said, the navel boatyards are crown property, so a referendum. Won't change anything with them, there would be a steady draw down to Portsmouth, making 1500 minimum redundancy,
Portsmouth harbour is already being made deeper, for the arrival of new submarines.
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I just hope that this time round Theresa May takes a harder line than Camoron did, when Alex Salmon had Call Me Dave running scared from the off and he was terrified of accusations of bullying the poor wee Scots. I thought it was pathetic the way they panicked at the last minute and gave the Scots the extra powers to bribe them to stay. ::)
Hopefully Theresa May is made of sterner stuff and will spell out exactly what the UK governments position will be in the event of a vote for independence, in terms of currency, borders, etc. :y
Also I think that the EU should make it very clear whether independent Scotland could stay in the EU, get fast tracked membership or get to the back of the queue behind Montenegro, Albania and Turkey. ::)
Finally whoever is responsible for the devolution legislation that allows the Scottish Government to call for a referendum on independence whenever they feel that they could win one, should be put up against a wall and shot! On live TV!! :y
That'll be Tony Blair then? ::)
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Also I think that the EU should make it very clear whether independent Scotland could stay in the EU, get fast tracked membership or get to the back of the queue behind Montenegro, Albania and Turkey. ::)
I thought the EU did make it pretty clear last time that they would be joining the Euro and would have to meet the various fiscal tests first. It was probably out-blustered by Salmond's promises of "cake and eat it", though. ::)
That'll be Tony Blair then? ::)
Oi! Back of that queue is waaay over there... >:(
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Having a friend, up the far North, who is a boat driver, in a roundabout way for HMG, he has already said, the navel boatyards are crown property, so a referendum. Won't change anything with them, there would be a steady draw down to Portsmouth, making 1500 minimum redundancy,
Portsmouth harbour is already being made deeper, for the arrival of new submarines.
Aircraft carriers :y
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Having a friend, up the far North, who is a boat driver, in a roundabout way for HMG, he has already said, the navel boatyards are crown property, so a referendum. Won't change anything with them, there would be a steady draw down to Portsmouth, making 1500 minimum redundancy,
Portsmouth harbour is already being made deeper, for the arrival of new submarines.
Aircraft carriers :y
I note "carriers", plural. How many have we actually got ?
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Having a friend, up the far North, who is a boat driver, in a roundabout way for HMG, he has already said, the navel boatyards are crown property, so a referendum. Won't change anything with them, there would be a steady draw down to Portsmouth, making 1500 minimum redundancy,
Portsmouth harbour is already being made deeper, for the arrival of new submarines.
Aircraft carriers :y
I note "carriers", plural. How many have we actually got ?
2 being built. Was talk of one being mothballed, but think two will enter service now.
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Maybe the sensible thing would be a second referendum in a generations time say 10 or 20 years. That way the Scots would have time to digest changes. e.g. Brexit, how the EU fares post Brexit, how the Eurozone fares, how two speed EU works/doesn't.
I know we all have strong views on the subject but at the end of the day it is horribly divisive just the same as Brexit has been.
I said it earlier but there is no way that Spain would OK Scotland joining the EU as it would be a green light for Catalonia and a few other Spanish "countries" to break away. That would be a disaster for Spain as they generate huge amounts of the countries revenues (unlike Scotland). So with that permanent veto there is NO chance of an independent Scotland joining the EU.
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Maybe the sensible thing would be a second referendum in a generations time say 10 or 20 years. That way the Scots would have time to digest changes. e.g. Brexit, how the EU fares post Brexit, how the Eurozone fares, how two speed EU works/doesn't.
I know we all have strong views on the subject but at the end of the day it is horribly divisive just the same as Brexit has been.
I said it earlier but there is no way that Spain would OK Scotland joining the EU as it would be a green light for Catalonia and a few other Spanish "countries" to break away. That would be a disaster for Spain as they generate huge amounts of the countries revenues (unlike Scotland). So with that permanent veto there is NO chance of an independent Scotland joining the EU.
This is Nicola Sturgeon we are talking about here. The word "Sensible" just doesn't apply ::)
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Maybe the sensible thing would be a second referendum in a generations time say 10 or 20 years. That way the Scots would have time to digest changes. e.g. Brexit, how the EU fares post Brexit, how the Eurozone fares, how two speed EU works/doesn't.
I know we all have strong views on the subject but at the end of the day it is horribly divisive just the same as Brexit has been.
I said it earlier but there is no way that Spain would OK Scotland joining the EU as it would be a green light for Catalonia and a few other Spanish "countries" to break away. That would be a disaster for Spain as they generate huge amounts of the countries revenues (unlike Scotland). So with that permanent veto there is NO chance of an independent Scotland joining the EU.
This is Nicola Sturgeon we are talking about here. The word "Sensible" just doesn't apply ::)
What is a shame is that she isn't using her undoubted skills for the good of the Uk. I will stick my neck out and say she is one of the best politicians around.
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Having a friend, up the far North, who is a boat driver, in a roundabout way for HMG, he has already said, the navel boatyards are crown property, so a referendum. Won't change anything with them, there would be a steady draw down to Portsmouth, making 1500 minimum redundancy,
Portsmouth harbour is already being made deeper, for the arrival of new submarines.
Aircraft carriers :y
As well.
Biggest problem is the infastructre isn't in place to fully berth, subs there Yet, if they did the cross channel ferries, and banana boats (90% of bananas for UK, and some of Europe, get landed there) would probably need to re-locate. So the government wouldn't want to spend that amount of money.
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The grievance politics of the SNP knows no bounds. This former CND left wing nutter is trying to break the UK apart at the seams, that is her only aim, she hates anything British or English, and Scottish, for that matter, likely stemming from her days as wee eck the CND champion. By God she portrays herself as the antithesis of Margaret Thatcher, however her family done quite well out of Thatcher the milk snatcher's right to buy scheme, buying their lowly Dreghorn council house back in the day.
Further to that her family has roots in....wait for it.....NE England :o
People here are sick to death listening to her as well. She only got a near victory vote because they canvassed all the poor areas where most of the benefits go, they weren't daft they knew a tory government would cut their benefits and they knew promising to keep all those lovely hand outs would (almost) guarantee them victory.
I hope she gets the referendum date because that will be her effectively naming the day of her political downfall. Until that time just keep asking her what currency we will be using and that will shut her up!
That's genuinely interesting, in a good way.
I know a lot of people in Scotland and do business there. In the run-up to the last referendum I would causually raise the issue talking face-to-face to people I know quite well, and they would just clam-up. Some nasty things went on, and would happen again. There is a rabid mindless nationalistic element at work, blind to reality.
Thank heavens I see no such ambitions here in Wales, well not much.
Looks like I spoke too soon . . . . . .
OH NO! (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/leanne-wood-calls-welsh-independence-12733965)
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Having a friend, up the far North, who is a boat driver, in a roundabout way for HMG, he has already said, the navel boatyards are crown property, so a referendum. Won't change anything with them, there would be a steady draw down to Portsmouth, making 1500 minimum redundancy,
Portsmouth harbour is already being made deeper, for the arrival of new submarines.
Aircraft carriers :y
I note "carriers", plural. How many have we actually got ?
Including the French ones?
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Having a friend, up the far North, who is a boat driver, in a roundabout way for HMG, he has already said, the navel boatyards are crown property, so a referendum. Won't change anything with them, there would be a steady draw down to Portsmouth, making 1500 minimum redundancy,
Portsmouth harbour is already being made deeper, for the arrival of new submarines.
Aircraft carriers :y
I note "carriers", plural. How many have we actually got ?
One about to start sea trails and the second in early stages of commissioning.
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10am BBC News on R2 led with Spanish Government saying that they would veto any attempt by an independent Scotland to stay in or join the EU. No mention of this since on R2.
Jeremy Vine did a piece on his show and the SNP fella said that he was sure that " a way will be found to keep Scotland in the EU " That renowned journalist Jeremy Vine didn't challenge this or even bring up the Spanish objection! In fact the whole piece seemed to assume that Scotland can stay in the EU if they become independent! ::)
No sign of bias there then from our impartial BRITISH BROADCASTING CORPORATION! :-X
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The grievance politics of the SNP knows no bounds. This former CND left wing nutter is trying to break the UK apart at the seams, that is her only aim, she hates anything British or English, and Scottish, for that matter, likely stemming from her days as wee eck the CND champion. By God she portrays herself as the antithesis of Margaret Thatcher, however her family done quite well out of Thatcher the milk snatcher's right to buy scheme, buying their lowly Dreghorn council house back in the day.
Further to that her family has roots in....wait for it.....NE England :o
People here are sick to death listening to her as well. She only got a near victory vote because they canvassed all the poor areas where most of the benefits go, they weren't daft they knew a tory government would cut their benefits and they knew promising to keep all those lovely hand outs would (almost) guarantee them victory.
I hope she gets the referendum date because that will be her effectively naming the day of her political downfall. Until that time just keep asking her what currency we will be using and that will shut her up!
That's genuinely interesting, in a good way.
I know a lot of people in Scotland and do business there. In the run-up to the last referendum I would causually raise the issue talking face-to-face to people I know quite well, and they would just clam-up. Some nasty things went on, and would happen again. There is a rabid mindless nationalistic element at work, blind to reality.
Thank heavens I see no such ambitions here in Wales, well not much.
Looks like I spoke too soon . . . . . .
OH NO! (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/leanne-wood-calls-welsh-independence-12733965)
What are they gonna survive on? Recycled sheep shit?
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10am BBC News on R2 led with Spanish Government saying that they would veto any attempt by an independent Scotland to stay in or join the EU. No mention of this since on R2.
Jeremy Vine did a piece on his show and the SNP fella said that he was sure that " a way will be found to keep Scotland in the EU " That renowned journalist Jeremy Vine didn't challenge this or even bring up the Spanish objection! In fact the whole piece seemed to assume that Scotland can stay in the EU if they become independent! ::)
No sign of bias there then from our impartial BRUSSELS BRAINWASHING CORPORATION! :-X
fixed. :D
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The grievance politics of the SNP knows no bounds. This former CND left wing nutter is trying to break the UK apart at the seams, that is her only aim, she hates anything British or English, and Scottish, for that matter, likely stemming from her days as wee eck the CND champion. By God she portrays herself as the antithesis of Margaret Thatcher, however her family done quite well out of Thatcher the milk snatcher's right to buy scheme, buying their lowly Dreghorn council house back in the day.
Further to that her family has roots in....wait for it.....NE England :o
People here are sick to death listening to her as well. She only got a near victory vote because they canvassed all the poor areas where most of the benefits go, they weren't daft they knew a tory government would cut their benefits and they knew promising to keep all those lovely hand outs would (almost) guarantee them victory.
I hope she gets the referendum date because that will be her effectively naming the day of her political downfall. Until that time just keep asking her what currency we will be using and that will shut her up!
That's genuinely interesting, in a good way.
I know a lot of people in Scotland and do business there. In the run-up to the last referendum I would causually raise the issue talking face-to-face to people I know quite well, and they would just clam-up. Some nasty things went on, and would happen again. There is a rabid mindless nationalistic element at work, blind to reality.
Thank heavens I see no such ambitions here in Wales, well not much.
Looks like I spoke too soon . . . . . .
OH NO! (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/leanne-wood-calls-welsh-independence-12733965)
What are they gonna survive on? Recycled sheep shit?
. . . . and dried dafodils
I also heard that the Welsh Assembly would build a Trump style wall to stem the flow of immigrants . . . from England ;D There's loads of you down here ;D Probably more English than Polish :o
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Hadrian wall and Offas dyke rebuilt. Sounds too good to be true, Taffy. :P
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And Sinn Fein are calling for an united Ireland... which, were anyone else suggesting it, would seem almost reasonable.
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Its utterly unreasonable no matter who is calling for it. It aint gonna happen in my lifetime. If anyone seriously tries to do it there will be very little of Ireland left to unite. We would have Aleppo on our doorstep. ;)
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They're a mardy bunch over there. ;D
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They're a mardy bunch over there. ;D
Is that scouse or Yorkshire ? ???
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They're a mardy bunch over there. ;D
Is that scouse or Yorkshire ? ???
Yorkshire, of course. I'm from Yorkshire you know. ::)
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They're a mardy bunch over there. ;D
Is that scouse or Yorkshire ? ???
Yorkshire, of course. I'm from Yorkshire you know. ::)
Yep....flat cap, a whippet, and a permanently shut wallet all scream Yorkshire. :)
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They're a mardy bunch over there. ;D
Is that scouse or Yorkshire ? ???
Yorkshire, of course. I'm from Yorkshire you know. ::)
Yep....flat cap, a whippet, and a permanently shut wallet all scream Yorkshire. :)
Aye, lad :y
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I am 1/4 Yorkshire and 1/4 Cornish, so I am tighter than a duck's arse - and that's watertight!
Ron.