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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Lazydocker on 23 March 2017, 11:02:12
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So, further to my comment on the "What have you done" thread, here's the pictures of the car after the argument with the Stag last night.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3673/32760062904_cac19cd1e8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RUTTmL)Stag 1 - Omega 0 (https://flic.kr/p/RUTTmL) by lazydocker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/24961476@N08/), on Flickr
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3682/33219329970_0a42bbb1b6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SBtKss)Stag 1 - Omega 0 (https://flic.kr/p/SBtKss) by lazydocker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/24961476@N08/), on Flickr
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3770/33602560985_66f039f876_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TckUFK)Stag 1 - Omega 0 (https://flic.kr/p/TckUFK) by lazydocker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/24961476@N08/), on Flickr
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3757/33219329330_ecba7f3f84_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SBtKgq)Stag 1 - Omega 0 (https://flic.kr/p/SBtKgq) by lazydocker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/24961476@N08/), on Flickr
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2850/33219327930_a099c1ecdc_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SBtJRh)Stag 1 - Omega 0 (https://flic.kr/p/SBtJRh) by lazydocker (https://www.flickr.com/photos/24961476@N08/), on Flickr
Not actually sure where in there the battery is at the moment but it still starts and drives! In fact, I drove it home about a mile like that last night :o
Another one bites the dust... Not worth the work involved in repairing or an insurance claim.
Fortunately I have another one sat on the drive (that I bought for the Irmscher kit) so I'll make one good one from the two, assuming we decide we need 2 cars. Not sure if I'll bother swapping the LPG over though :-\
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Fixed worse :y
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Christ, that's a proper mess ! looks like you were very lucky. Plenty of good parts for salvage / selling on it though. ;)
Realistically, you've had it about 5 years ? so it doesn't really owe you anything. At least it went out with a bang rather than a whimper. ;)
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Ouch!
Not bad for 60mph impact though, lack of blood as well. So assume that stag walked away? :-\
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Oh, Deer. :(
Really sorry to see that. I guess the LPG problem's urgency has reduced now.
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Ouch!
Not bad for 60mph impact though, lack of blood as well. So assume that stag walked away? :-\
He wont have gone far... I suspect he may have broken his neck anyway. No sign of him today though ::)
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Fixed worse :y
Pictures don't actually show clearly quite how much structural damage there is to the engine compartment... It's not worth the time or money when I have another one sat on the driveway to swap bits over to. Besides, this one needed new sills this summer anyway! ::)
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When you go to open the bonnet, pull the front out from the bottom of the grill first. Don't expect it to close again though...
Probably find the left hand end of the slam panel has torn from the top of the chassis rail. Would expect zero chassis damage, although the front of the inner wing will probably benefit from a tweak.
Bet the last mile was a touch slower though ::)
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On the bright side, at least you were in an Omega. A mate of mine hit one in a Caterham. :o
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Christ, that's a proper mess ! looks like you were very lucky. Plenty of good parts for salvage / selling on it though. ;)
Realistically, you've had it about 5 years ? so it doesn't really owe you anything. At least it went out with a bang rather than a whimper. ;)
I paid top money for it but I've now had it about 6 years and done 70k or so, mostly on LPG so it owes me nothing. :y
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Jeez what a mess! :o
And you didn't even get any venison for the freezer..... :(
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Oh, Deer. :(
Really sorry to see that. I guess the LPG problem's urgency has reduced now.
:D :D
On the bright side, at least you were in an Omega. A mate of mine hit one in a Caterham. :o
Indeed... It was a 60 mph impact and I barely even felt it :y Wouldn't like to do it in something smaller :o
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Ouch!
Not bad for 60mph impact though, lack of blood as well. So assume that stag walked away? :-\
He wont have gone far... I suspect he may have broken his neck anyway. No sign of him today though ::)
I'm amazed that he (the stag) lived to tell the tale to his wife and kids.
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When you go to open the bonnet, pull the front out from the bottom of the grill first. Don't expect it to close again though...
Probably find the left hand end of the slam panel has torn from the top of the chassis rail. Would expect zero chassis damage, although the front of the inner wing will probably benefit from a tweak.
Bet the last mile was a touch slower though ::)
Definitely ripped inner wing an I suspect a (very) small twist in the front of the chassis extension (to the crash bar). Like I said, it's not worth the time repairing, especially as it was starting to need other bits and pieces doing. It will be a donor to get the other one sorted and then the shell scrapped.
As for the last mile... Yeah, especially as it kept losing power/cutting out and then coming back to life :o But it did limp home under it's own steam :y
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On the bright side, at least you were in an Omega. A mate of mine hit one in a Caterham. :o
That would smart a bit... :o
Bet the airbag and pretensions didn't fire...
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Ouch!
Not bad for 60mph impact though, lack of blood as well. So assume that stag walked away? :-\
He wont have gone far... I suspect he may have broken his neck anyway. No sign of him today though ::)
I'm amazed that he (the stag) lived to tell the tale to his wife and kids.
I don't think he did... I think he was thrown back over the bank he jumped over into the field. I haven't been and looked for him yet but Mrs LD says she didn't see him. The damage is both front end and side so he definitely spun.
He just jumped out from the near side about 6 feet ahead of me... Nothing I could do. At least it didn't trigger the airbags :y
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For better or worse I have yet to trigger an Omega airbag... Must have come close at some point as I have had a pretensioner fire ::)
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On the bright side, at least you were in an Omega. A mate of mine hit one in a Caterham. :o
Bet the airbag and pretensions didn't fire...
The wha..? :-\
Well, something else fired, I can tell you. It was brown. :o
One of the antlers ended up perilously close to his face. They had pierced the bonnet in multiple places, through the bulkhead and dashboard. Both car and driver made a full recovery after some cuts and bruises were repaired.
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On the bright side, at least you were in an Omega. A mate of mine hit one in a Caterham. :o
Bet the airbag and pretensions didn't fire...
The wha..? :-\
Well, something else fired, I can tell you. It was brown. :o
One of the antlers ended up perilously close to his face. They had pierced the bonnet in multiple places, through the bulkhead and dashboard. Both car and driver made a full recovery after some cuts and bruises were repaired.
Had assumed it wouldn't have any on a Caterham... One advantage of having a Lego go kart is that it is always readily repairable... Rule of thumb, if you walk away then it can be fixed :D
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Fixed worse :y
Taxed worse ;D
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Fixed worse :y
Taxed worse ;D
That's Hull for you. ;D
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Fixed worse :y
Taxed worse ;D
That's Hull for you. ;D
Yup :y ;D ;D
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"Serious head on now"
You and the family all okay :-\ :-\ :-\
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Shit, sorry to see that, I'm amazed how well the Irmy Front Bomber faired better than the rest of the metal. :o
Them Stag / Deers are a real damage maker on Cars, even the small Bambi ones, there loads around here in the Forest near me, folk around here don't seem relize what the impact of one of these are.
They seem to be getting braver as well, few years back you would hardly see them, then next minuet these a bunch of them dashing across the road, these days it not uncommon to see herds of them savaging the forest kerb sides for food, probably down to our youth chucking McDonald's Bags out the window. >:(
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Strangely, I think the front end of that looks more attractive than in standard omega form. :-\
Glad you're ok. :)
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"Serious head on now"
You and the family all okay :-\ :-\ :-\
Only me in the car and I'm not exaggerating when I say I hardly noticed the impact! Damage aside, there was no drama in the cabin (apart from what may have been a small escape of gas!) :y
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Shit, sorry to see that, I'm amazed how well the Irmy Front Bomber faired better than the rest of the metal. :o
Them Stag / Deers are a real damage maker on Cars, even the small Bambi ones, there loads around here in the Forest near me, folk around here don't seem relize what the impact of one of these are.
They seem to be getting braver as well, few years back you would hardly see them, then next minuet these a bunch of them dashing across the road, these days it not uncommon to see herds of them savaging the forest kerb sides for food, probably down to our youth chucking McDonald's Bags out the window. >:(
Bumper only really took a glancing blow from the legs... A couple of small marks and a small crack is all :y
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Irmy bumper looks unscathed, which is fortunate. :y
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Irmy bumper looks unscathed, which is fortunate. :y
I think it was the first thing I checked ::)
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Irmy bumper looks unscathed, which is fortunate. :y
I think it was the first thing I checked ::)
What you saying there LD is the Bomber is worth more than the rest of the Car ;D
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"Serious head on now"
You and the family all okay :-\ :-\ :-\
Only me in the car and I'm not exaggerating when I say I hardly noticed the impact! Damage aside, there was no drama in the cabin (apart from what may have been a small escape of gas!) :y
Methane or LPG ? ;D ;D
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Tis a shame though. It was a damn nice example, as I recall. :(..............then again, incidents like that can cause serious injury or fatality, so no real harm done. :y
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In the grand scheme of things it's a minor inconvenience. No human injuries (can't vouch for Bambi ;D) and just the metalwork to deal with.
Truth be told, it was starting to show signs of the dreaded tin worm anyway. Fortunately I have another one I can put on the road (eventually) and parts of this one will live on! :y
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Christ on a bike LD, Mr Stag did a proper job on that, didn't he!
I think it was the first thing I checked ::)
I bet it was the second. The first was probably your undercrackers! ;)
As for hitting one in a Caterham (Kevin) - I guess you'd have to duck a lot and hope for the best!
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So sad for you Lazydocker :'( :'( :'(
That is one hell of a mess, but at least you are ok.
I thought I had a problem the other week after my little prang with a van, but..................yours is something else. Even I would have to admit it is "beyond economical repair" and I couldn't argue with the insurance company ::) ::) ::) ::)
I hope you can make the best of it by salvaging spare parts :)
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Truth be told, it was starting to show signs of the dreaded tin worm anyway.
In the usual places around the sills? Sad for an '03 plate, I really should check the 3.2 :'(
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Interesting that your car sustained that amount of damage, yet the airbags didn't go off. ???
What sort of impact do they need to go off? And do they lose their sensitivity with age? :-\
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Interesting that your car sustained that amount of damage, yet the airbags didn't go off. ???
What sort of impact do they need to go off? And do they lose their sensitivity with age? :-\
Yes. This also surprised me.
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Interesting that your car sustained that amount of damage, yet the airbags didn't go off. ???
What sort of impact do they need to go off? And do they lose their sensitivity with age? :-\
Yes. This also surprised me.
Like everything else they must degrade with age. Maybe the gas leaks out if a seal goes or something. :-\
Not something I've thought about before. ::)
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Interesting that your car sustained that amount of damage, yet the airbags didn't go off. ???
What sort of impact do they need to go off? And do they lose their sensitivity with age? :-\
Yes. This also surprised me.
and me with this one especially, but also with my front end shunt! :o :o
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Interesting that your car sustained that amount of damage, yet the airbags didn't go off. ???
What sort of impact do they need to go off? And do they lose their sensitivity with age? :-\
Yes. This also surprised me.
Like everything else they must degrade with age. Maybe the gas leaks out if a seal goes or something. :-\
Not something I've thought about before. ::)
Simple really... The airbag sensors are behind the bumper which is pretty much unscathed ;)
And FYI, it's an explosive charge that inflates the airbags ;)
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Had the airbags gone off I would almost certainly have sustained some form of injury ::)
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Interesting that your car sustained that amount of damage, yet the airbags didn't go off. ???
What sort of impact do they need to go off? And do they lose their sensitivity with age? :-\
Yes. This also surprised me.
Like everything else they must degrade with age. Maybe the gas leaks out if a seal goes or something. :-\
Not something I've thought about before. ::)
Simple really... The airbag sensors are behind the bumper which is pretty much unscathed ;)
And FYI, it's an explosive charge that inflates the airbags ;)
You learn something new every day! :y
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The airbags need significant deceleration of the vehicle to be triggered. They would do more harm than good in a lesser impact.
1700kgs of Omega versus, what? 100kg of deer, maybe a little more, plus it looks like the deer was deflected by the bonnet. The car isn't going to decelerate much there.
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Certainly made a good job of that ! Main thing is you're okay .😉
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The airbags need significant deceleration of the vehicle to be triggered. They would do more harm than good in a lesser impact.
1700kgs of Omega versus, what? 100kg of deer, maybe a little more, plus it looks like the deer was deflected by the bonnet. The car isn't going to decelerate much there.
No noticeable deceleration from the impact ::)
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Interesting that your car sustained that amount of damage, yet the airbags didn't go off. ???
What sort of impact do they need to go off? And do they lose their sensitivity with age? :-\
Yes. This also surprised me.
Like everything else they must degrade with age. Maybe the gas leaks out if a seal goes or something. :-\
Not something I've thought about before. ::)
Simple really... The airbag sensors are behind the bumper which is pretty much unscathed ;)
And FYI, it's an explosive charge that inflates the airbags ;)
I thought that the primary sensors were in the airbag ECU under the centre console with additional sensors in the doors for the side airbags.
I didn't think there were any other sensors :-\
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Well, at least the stag has saved you from having to fix the Stag :P
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Interesting that your car sustained that amount of damage, yet the airbags didn't go off. ???
What sort of impact do they need to go off? And do they lose their sensitivity with age? :-\
Yes. This also surprised me.
Like everything else they must degrade with age. Maybe the gas leaks out if a seal goes or something. :-\
Not something I've thought about before. ::)
Simple really... The airbag sensors are behind the bumper which is pretty much unscathed ;)
And FYI, it's an explosive charge that inflates the airbags ;)
I thought that the primary sensors were in the airbag ECU under the centre console with additional sensors in the doors for the side airbags.
I didn't think there were any other sensors :-\
Perhaps there has been a change in technology but the impact detection always used to be in the front bumper :-\
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Well, at least the stag has saved you from having to fix the Stag :P
Well... Only sort of... It may well be transferred onto the other one :-\
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Actually their triggered by a G/inertia sensor under the centre console cubby ;)
Solid bumper impacts at speed will fire them, hitting a deformable object with the equally deformable bonnet won't slow the car to any great degree, ergo, no airbags :y
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Actually their triggered by a G/inertia sensor under the centre console cubby ;)
Solid bumper impacts at speed will fire them, hitting a deformable object with the equally deformable bonnet won't slow the car to any great degree, ergo, no airbags :y
Stand corrected... Much improved technology ;)
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Thanks for sharing :o I think that would have shook me up a bit :-X
Glad you`re ok & kinda proves what I`ve always thought about bigger cars.
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Thanks for sharing :o I think that would have shook me up a bit :-X
Glad you`re ok & kinda proves what I`ve always thought about bigger cars.
Not neccessarily :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBDyeWofcLY
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Thanks for sharing :o I think that would have shook me up a bit :-X
Glad you`re ok & kinda proves what I`ve always thought about bigger cars.
Not neccessarily :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBDyeWofcLY
Not really a fair comparison though... Different eras of motoring design and safety.
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Having a big barge in these situations helps of course.
But the strength of the a-pillars and the design of the front is more important.
Here in the land of the moose it is a pretty common kind of accident. And moose are even bigger and heavier, we also get the stags and boars ofc.
This is one of the reasons SAABs and Volvo's have got strong pillars and roof.
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There was a very interesting supplement in Autocar about the Corsa D development just before it was launched... it was subjected to simulated animal impacts, basically driving it into a barrel sized horizontal tight bundle of sticks about 30" off the ground... completely trashed the headlights, radiator, slam panel, bonnet and windscreen. All absorbing the impact beautifully. But the engineer was really narked because it also fired the airbags.
The reasoning being that in a worst case 'ohshitweregoingtodie' moment, the timing is critical as the airbags can only be fired once. The scenario he described was as follows.
Driving along a fast country road in the damp.
1. Driver loses control on a bend and clips the kerb.
2. Car launches from the road edge.
3. Car flies through a post and rail fence about a foot off the ground.
4. Car lands violently on a scrubby slope.
5. Car finally stopped by a hundred year old tree.
At which point do you need the airbag? Answer is 5. any other time is a wasted opportunity with fatal consequences... certainly 1. and 4. have scope for the driver to regain control... almost impossible if the airbag has fired. 2. and 3. simply don't warrant the airbag firing.
Have done 1. through 4. in a Vectra C without the airbags firing.
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Have done 1. through 4. in a Vectra C without the airbags firing.
What? Number 1? In a Vectra? Surely not. ::)
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Thanks for sharing :o I think that would have shook me up a bit :-X
Glad you`re ok & kinda proves what I`ve always thought about bigger cars.
Not neccessarily :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBDyeWofcLY
The design era, or rather the criteria that the car is designed to meet plays a big part... this crash looks far worse because the Modus is a smaller and taller vehicle with the absorption happening in a much smaller space, where as the apparent devastation of the Volvo is due to the impact being absorbed by an extra 18" or so more front end. Incidentally, the Modus is 300kgs lighter so will bear the brunt of the impact regardless of how little deformation occurs.
I know which car I would rather be in for that crash, and it's not the Renualt.
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Have done 1. through 4. in a Vectra C without the airbags firing.
What? Number 1? In a Vectra? Surely not. ::)
Missed the braking point on approach to the Beare Green roundabout :-[ not helped by the fact that when I stood on the brakes nothing happened. Straightlining two kerbs, two heavy landings and a post seemed preferable to rolling it trying to make the 60° turn onto the roundabout at speed.
Put in the same position again, God forbid, and I would do exactly the same again.
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Anyhoo back to the original question... have you found the damned beast yet? It owes you at least one haunch...
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Anyhoo back to the original question... have you found the damned beast yet? It owes you at least one haunch...
No. I suspect the farmer had it away yesterday as he was cutting all the turf in the field ::)
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Pure coincidence... ask him if he'll share it ::)
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Anyhoo back to the original question... have you found the damned beast yet? It owes you at least one haunch...
No. I suspect the farmer had it away yesterday as he was cutting all the turf in the field ::)
Not sure how it works out your way LD, but in Epping Forest the Deer belong to the Queen so they can only be removed by the City of London Forestry Commission, having said that theres an old rumour (or Bylaw) that states the Driver involved is unable to remove the Deer, but a passer by can have it away.
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Anyhoo back to the original question... have you found the damned beast yet? It owes you at least one haunch...
No. I suspect the farmer had it away yesterday as he was cutting all the turf in the field ::)
Not sure how it works out your way LD, but in Epping Forest the Deer belong to the Queen so they can only be removed by the City of London Forestry Commission, having said that theres an old rumour (or Bylaw) that states the Driver involved is unable to remove the Deer, but a passer by can have it away.
It's the latter here. Same with pheasant.
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Thanks for sharing :o I think that would have shook me up a bit :-X
Glad you`re ok & kinda proves what I`ve always thought about bigger cars.
Not neccessarily :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBDyeWofcLY
The design era, or rather the criteria that the car is designed to meet plays a big part... this crash looks far worse because the Modus is a smaller and taller vehicle with the absorption happening in a much smaller space, where as the apparent devastation of the Volvo is due to the impact being absorbed by an extra 18" or so more front end. Incidentally, the Modus is 300kgs lighter so will bear the brunt of the impact regardless of how little deformation occurs.
I know which car I would rather be in for that crash, and it's not the Renualt.
You need to watch it again,the Modus driver would have walked away,the Volvo driver would need to be cut out and may not have survived :y
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Volvo driver definitely won't be using his legs for a while..
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It's a while since I had last seen that, didn't remember it being quite so catastrophic... I wonder if there wasn't something structurally wrong with the Volvo :-\
I know which one I would rather hit a stag in... and it's not the Renault, and looking a gain at that, not that Volvo either...
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If I ever find myself driving a Modus I'll have given up on life anyway, so its crash-worthiness won't be foremost in my mind. ;)
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If I ever find myself driving a Modus I'll have given up on life anyway, so its crash-worthiness won't be foremost in my mind. ;)
Good point well presented.
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If I ever find myself driving a Modus ANY BLOODY RENAULT WHATSOEVER I'll have given up on life anyway, so its crash-worthiness won't be foremost in my mind. ;)
Fixed that for you :y
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A Modus with a RenaultSport clit swap would be fun ;D a nice sleeper.
Blowing the doors of GTI's at the traffic lights :D
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Thanks for sharing :o I think that would have shook me up a bit :-X
Glad you`re ok & kinda proves what I`ve always thought about bigger cars.
Not neccessarily :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBDyeWofcLY
The design era, or rather the criteria that the car is designed to meet plays a big part... this crash looks far worse because the Modus is a smaller and taller vehicle with the absorption happening in a much smaller space, where as the apparent devastation of the Volvo is due to the impact being absorbed by an extra 18" or so more front end. Incidentally, the Modus is 300kgs lighter so will bear the brunt of the impact regardless of how little deformation occurs.
I know which car I would rather be in for that crash, and it's not the Renualt.
You need to watch it again,the Modus driver would have walked away,the Volvo driver would need to be cut out and may not have survived :y
But it's not a fair comparison - A 1990's Volvo (designed in the 1980's) against a 2004 Renault that may have been designed as early as the very late 1990's. car design and safety increased dramatically in that time! To be a fair comparison it would need to be the Renault against an Omega or even the V70. I suspect the outcome would be very different ;)
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Thanks for sharing :o I think that would have shook me up a bit :-X
Glad you`re ok & kinda proves what I`ve always thought about bigger cars.
Not neccessarily :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBDyeWofcLY
The design era, or rather the criteria that the car is designed to meet plays a big part... this crash looks far worse because the Modus is a smaller and taller vehicle with the absorption happening in a much smaller space, where as the apparent devastation of the Volvo is due to the impact being absorbed by an extra 18" or so more front end. Incidentally, the Modus is 300kgs lighter so will bear the brunt of the impact regardless of how little deformation occurs.
I know which car I would rather be in for that crash, and it's not the Renualt.
You need to watch it again,the Modus driver would have walked away,the Volvo driver would need to be cut out and may not have survived :y
But it's not a fair comparison - A 1990's Volvo (designed in the 1980's) against a 2004 Renault that may have been designed as early as the very late 1990's. car design and safety increased dramatically in that time! To be a fair comparison it would need to be the Renault against an Omega or even the V70. I suspect the outcome would be very different ;)
The Omega B was designed in the late 80's/early 90's so i think it would be pretty fooked too, a bit better yes.. A V70 would probably fare better but I think the Modus still could be OK, "modern" small cars are generally very safe and strong.
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Thanks for sharing :o I think that would have shook me up a bit :-X
Glad you`re ok & kinda proves what I`ve always thought about bigger cars.
Not neccessarily :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBDyeWofcLY
The design era, or rather the criteria that the car is designed to meet plays a big part... this crash looks far worse because the Modus is a smaller and taller vehicle with the absorption happening in a much smaller space, where as the apparent devastation of the Volvo is due to the impact being absorbed by an extra 18" or so more front end. Incidentally, the Modus is 300kgs lighter so will bear the brunt of the impact regardless of how little deformation occurs.
I know which car I would rather be in for that crash, and it's not the Renualt.
You need to watch it again,the Modus driver would have walked away,the Volvo driver would need to be cut out and may not have survived :y
But it's not a fair comparison - A 1990's Volvo (designed in the 1980's) against a 2004 Renault that may have been designed as early as the very late 1990's. car design and safety increased dramatically in that time! To be a fair comparison it would need to be the Renault against an Omega or even the V70. I suspect the outcome would be very different ;)
The Omega B was designed in the late 80's/early 90's so i think it would be pretty fooked too, a bit better yes.. A V70 would probably fare better but I think the Modus still could be OK, "modern" small cars are generally very safe and strong.
Better than they used to be but I would still prefer a big car than small... If I had been in Mrs LD's 2009 Panda I'm pretty confident of 2 things... 1, the damage would have extended to the cabin (near to 2 feet of deformation on the front of the Omega - the same on a panda brings it right on the A Pillar) and 2, I wouldn't have walked away completely uninjured.
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The Omega B was designed in the late 80's/early 90's so i think it would be pretty fooked too, a bit better yes.. A V70 would probably fare better but I think the Modus still could be OK, "modern" small cars are generally very safe and strong.
Omega B are not late '80s design, but early seventies; the structure is barely changed from the Carlton when strong and rigid were the main requirements. Modern thinking intends that the energy from an impact is absorbed by as much of the car as possible, while the occupants are protected by active measures like multiple airbags. This is what makes a recent small car 'better' to crash than an old one. Although a well designed large car will be even better at absorbing the crash because there is more material and space to do so.
The real limit here is not the car(a Smart is really strong for instance)but the pink squishy things inside it.
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The Omega B was designed in the late 80's/early 90's so i think it would be pretty fooked too, a bit better yes.. A V70 would probably fare better but I think the Modus still could be OK, "modern" small cars are generally very safe and strong.
Omega B are not late '80s design, but early seventies; the structure is barely changed from the Carlton when strong and rigid were the main requirements. Modern thinking intends that the energy from an impact is absorbed by as much of the car as possible, while the occupants are protected by active measures like multiple airbags. This is what makes a recent small car 'better' to crash than an old one. Although a well designed large car will be even better at absorbing the crash because there is more material and space to do so.
The real limit here is not the car(a Smart is really strong for instance)but the pink squishy things inside it.
Agreed. I've recovered a smart after a high speed, head on collision and the safety cell did the job... Never would have recognised it as a car, never mind a Smart but the driver actually climbed out and walked away, unlike the driver of the other car who needed cutting free :o
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Looks like the only casualty (on the Irmscher front) is the genuine grill :'( Fortunately these (and copies) are readily available still :y
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Looks like the only casualty (on the Irmscher front) is the genuine grill :'( Fortunately these (and copies) are readily available still :y
I lied... The bumper has had a bit of a knock but nothing too bad :y
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They are a bit more vulnerable from not having that extra inch or so of foam... The price of style I guess :-\