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Title: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: TD on 10 April 2017, 18:28:32
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10675185.Car_clocks_up_507_759_miles/?ref=mr&lp=13

With his VW  :)
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Lincs Robert on 10 April 2017, 18:41:35
500k in a VW - I would have have died of boredom!
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: tunnie on 10 April 2017, 19:32:29
As others will no doubt point out, he had the 1.9 diesel, not the newer 2.0 - That article is a few years old, be interesting to see how well he got on.

He must have been doing big miles each year!
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: TD on 10 April 2017, 19:36:17
500k in a VW - I would have have died of boredom!

Maybe....but its still impressive that with no breakdowns it managed 500k.....but I think a bit of economy of the truth of the service of it I reckon....no mention of exhausts/brake pads/disks/etc but then they are all serviceable parts anyway  :y
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Lincs Robert on 10 April 2017, 19:42:03
500k in a VW - I would have have died of boredom!

Maybe....but its still impressive that with no breakdowns it managed 500k.....but I think a bit of economy of the truth of the service of it I reckon....no mention of exhausts/brake pads/disks/etc but then they are all serviceable parts anyway  :y

I totally agree. Truth is that VW are no more reliable than any other car - despite what their marketing people might like you to believe.......
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: tunnie on 10 April 2017, 19:43:42
500k in a VW - I would have have died of boredom!

Eh? Don't paint everything with same brush. Especially as you drive a Mondeo  :)



Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Lincs Robert on 10 April 2017, 19:53:29
500k in a VW - I would have have died of boredom!

Eh? Don't paint everything with same brush. Especially as you drive a Mondeo  :)

Which I do and openly prefer it to VW products in the same market segment. My choice, yours is VW, mine isn't - simples. VW have been proven not to be trustworthy & contribute zero to U.K plc in terms of manufacturing or r&d jobs - which Ford certainly do. That's my opinion.
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: tunnie on 10 April 2017, 21:13:42
500k in a VW - I would have have died of boredom!

Eh? Don't paint everything with same brush. Especially as you drive a Mondeo  :)

Which I do and openly prefer it to VW products in the same market segment. My choice, yours is VW, mine isn't - simples. VW have been proven not to be trustworthy & contribute zero to U.K plc in terms of manufacturing or r&d jobs - which Ford certainly do. That's my opinion.

You do know who owns Bentley right? I mean at Crew they make:

Bentley Mulsanne
Continental Flying Spur
Continental GT
Continental GTC   Bentleys

Used to make:

Arnage
Azure
Brooklands

It's also their HQ, main R&D site and where they are all hand made and hand-crafted.... so yeah VW do nothing for the UK!
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Lincs Robert on 10 April 2017, 21:52:50
500k in a VW - I would have have died of boredom!

Eh? Don't paint everything with same brush. Especially as you drive a Mondeo  :)

Which I do and openly prefer it to VW products in the same market segment. My choice, yours is VW, mine isn't - simples. VW have been proven not to be trustworthy & contribute zero to U.K plc in terms of manufacturing or r&d jobs - which Ford certainly do. That's my opinion.

You do know who owns Bentley right? I mean at Crew they make:

Bentley Mulsanne
Continental Flying Spur
Continental GT
Continental GTC   Bentleys

Used to make:

Arnage
Azure
Brooklands

It's also their HQ, main R&D site and where they are all hand made and hand-crafted.... so yeah VW do nothing for the UK!

VW own Bentley, agreed, but the VW brand itself doesn't have any UK contribution - does it?
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Kevin Wood on 10 April 2017, 22:09:22
500k in a VW - I would have have died of boredom!

Eh? Don't paint everything with same brush. Especially as you drive a Mondeo  :)

Which I do and openly prefer it to VW products in the same market segment. My choice, yours is VW, mine isn't - simples. VW have been proven not to be trustworthy & contribute zero to U.K plc in terms of manufacturing or r&d jobs - which Ford certainly do. That's my opinion.

Not to mention that the Mondeo has a much more capable chassis than a Passat. ::)
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 April 2017, 22:12:47
Rolls Royce is owned by Bmw, and all they do is hand make some posh bling which gets added to the lego 7 Series... The shells of which come over from Germany ready for paint... Can't see Vws approach to Bentley being much different ::)
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: STEMO on 10 April 2017, 22:13:49
Fords, VW's, Vauxhall, Hyundai's.......all much of a muchness for the average driver. They are all capable of doing what most people want them to do. It's only when you start driving hard that you'll notice the small differences between them, and most people don't.
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: tunnie on 10 April 2017, 22:19:01
500k in a VW - I would have have died of boredom!

Eh? Don't paint everything with same brush. Especially as you drive a Mondeo  :)

Which I do and openly prefer it to VW products in the same market segment. My choice, yours is VW, mine isn't - simples. VW have been proven not to be trustworthy & contribute zero to U.K plc in terms of manufacturing or r&d jobs - which Ford certainly do. That's my opinion.

You do know who owns Bentley right? I mean at Crew they make:

Bentley Mulsanne
Continental Flying Spur
Continental GT
Continental GTC   Bentleys

Used to make:

Arnage
Azure
Brooklands

It's also their HQ, main R&D site and where they are all hand made and hand-crafted.... so yeah VW do nothing for the UK!

VW own Bentley, agreed, but the VW brand itself doesn't have any UK contribution - does it?

Trying to figure out if you are serious?  :-\

I was going to go into VW car sales, VAT contributions and so on but cannot be bothered.

But I will mention that your Ford was made in Spain.

Ford shut Southampton Transit production and moved it to Turkey.
Ford ended UK car production in 2002, leaving just engines made here.
Cars built in Euroland and shipped here. (yours)

I'd put a bet on Brexit completion, Ford move last of their two production sites out of the UK  :y
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Viral_Jim on 10 April 2017, 22:25:57
Fords, VW's, Vauxhall, Hyundai's.......all much of a muchness for the average driver. They are all capable of doing what most people want them to do. It's only when you start driving hard that you'll notice the small differences between them, and most people don't.

What he said.

Which is why most manufacturers have to compete in the "adding pointless gadgets to your car" stakes. Ultimately, I reckon you're best off picking the one with the comfiest seat :P
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: tunnie on 10 April 2017, 22:29:07
Fords, VW's, Vauxhall, Hyundai's.......all much of a muchness for the average driver. They are all capable of doing what most people want them to do. It's only when you start driving hard that you'll notice the small differences between them, and most people don't.

What he said.

Which is why most manufacturers have to compete in the "adding pointless gadgets to your car" stakes. Ultimately, I reckon you're best off picking the one with the comfiest seat :P

Hence the CC, tried Merc and quite a few others. Really liked CC's seats, I like Ford Max seats as well  ::)
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Nick W on 10 April 2017, 22:37:55
Rolls Royce is owned by Bmw, and all they do is hand make some posh bling which gets added to the lego 7 Series... The shells of which come over from Germany ready for paint... Can't see VWs approach to Bentley being much different ::)


That's only true of the 'small' Rolls Royce. The big ones still use a development of the long established RR V8.


Bentleys use a lot of VAG parts and platforms, with a lot of extra finishing where you can see it. Which is no different to Audi's business model.
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: tunnie on 10 April 2017, 22:41:08
Rolls Royce is owned by Bmw, and all they do is hand make some posh bling which gets added to the lego 7 Series... The shells of which come over from Germany ready for paint... Can't see Vws approach to Bentley being much different ::)

Yeah, looks like they just paint em and send them out. Not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WkZ1UGjj4U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WkZ1UGjj4U)
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Lincs Robert on 10 April 2017, 23:03:37
500k in a VW - I would have have died of boredom!

Eh? Don't paint everything with same brush. Especially as you drive a Mondeo  :)

Which I do and openly prefer it to VW products in the same market segment. My choice, yours is VW, mine isn't - simples. VW have been proven not to be trustworthy & contribute zero to U.K plc in terms of manufacturing or r&d jobs - which Ford certainly do. That's my opinion.

You do know who owns Bentley right? I mean at Crew they make:

Bentley Mulsanne
Continental Flying Spur
Continental GT
Continental GTC   Bentleys

Used to make:

Arnage
Azure
Brooklands

It's also their HQ, main R&D site and where they are all hand made and hand-crafted.... so yeah VW do nothing for the UK!

VW own Bentley, agreed, but the VW brand itself doesn't have any UK contribution - does it?

Trying to figure out if you are serious?  :-\

I was going to go into VW car sales, VAT contributions and so on but cannot be bothered.

But I will mention that your Ford was made in Spain.

Ford shut Southampton Transit production and moved it to Turkey.
Ford ended UK car production in 2002, leaving just engines made here.
Cars built in Euroland and shipped here. (yours)

I'd put a bet on Brexit completion, Ford move last of their two production sites out of the UK  :y

Ok, my car was built in Belgium actually - but has a British built engine, with many many engines being exported to other Ford plants worldwide. How many engines do VW (not Bentley) make in the UK, that will be zero engines, assembly or components.

As far as dealer jobs & VAT are concerned, the same (flawed) logic applies to BMW & Meecedes & the rest. I'm not a fan of Jap cars - but at least Nissan, Toyota & Honda all make large volumes of vehicles here & export them. They create real jobs whereas VW don't.

I'm not sure where you are going with your logic - all I'm saying is that I'd rather have a Mondeo than a Passat as I think the Passats are boring, although admit that the CC looks nice. I'm entitled to my opinion. STEMO makes an excellent point about the capabilities of cars as well. I haven't called anything a "shi* box" as seems to be the common way on this forum by certain people - just stated my opinions in a respectful way.
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: citroenguy on 11 April 2017, 07:32:33
Rolls Royce is owned by Bmw, and all they do is hand make some posh bling which gets added to the lego 7 Series... The shells of which come over from Germany ready for paint... Can't see VWs approach to Bentley being much different ::)


That's only true of the 'small' Rolls Royce. The big ones still use a development of the long established RR V8.


Bentleys use a lot of VAG parts and platforms, with a lot of extra finishing where you can see it. Which is no different to Audi's business model.

All of the newer RR's use a BMW V12.
The only car still using the good 'ol six and three quarter litre V8 is the Bentley Mulsanne, in highly developed form. It is also has an bespoke platform.
The Continental and Flying spur are based on the VW Phaeton platform and the Bentayga (silly name) shares it's underpinnings with the Audi Q7.
 
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: tunnie on 11 April 2017, 08:15:03
500k in a VW - I would have have died of boredom!

Eh? Don't paint everything with same brush. Especially as you drive a Mondeo  :)

Which I do and openly prefer it to VW products in the same market segment. My choice, yours is VW, mine isn't - simples. VW have been proven not to be trustworthy & contribute zero to U.K plc in terms of manufacturing or r&d jobs - which Ford certainly do. That's my opinion.

You do know who owns Bentley right? I mean at Crew they make:

Bentley Mulsanne
Continental Flying Spur
Continental GT
Continental GTC   Bentleys

Used to make:

Arnage
Azure
Brooklands

It's also their HQ, main R&D site and where they are all hand made and hand-crafted.... so yeah VW do nothing for the UK!

VW own Bentley, agreed, but the VW brand itself doesn't have any UK contribution - does it?

Trying to figure out if you are serious?  :-\

I was going to go into VW car sales, VAT contributions and so on but cannot be bothered.

But I will mention that your Ford was made in Spain.

Ford shut Southampton Transit production and moved it to Turkey.
Ford ended UK car production in 2002, leaving just engines made here.
Cars built in Euroland and shipped here. (yours)

I'd put a bet on Brexit completion, Ford move last of their two production sites out of the UK  :y

Ok, my car was built in Belgium actually - but has a British built engine, with many many engines being exported to other Ford plants worldwide. How many engines do VW (not Bentley) make in the UK, that will be zero engines, assembly or components.

As far as dealer jobs & VAT are concerned, the same (flawed) logic applies to BMW & Meecedes & the rest. I'm not a fan of Jap cars - but at least Nissan, Toyota & Honda all make large volumes of vehicles here & export them. They create real jobs whereas VW don't.

I'm not sure where you are going with your logic - all I'm saying is that I'd rather have a Mondeo than a Passat as I think the Passats are boring, although admit that the CC looks nice. I'm entitled to my opinion. STEMO makes an excellent point about the capabilities of cars as well. I haven't called anything a "shi* box" as seems to be the common way on this forum by certain people - just stated my opinions in a respectful way.

I just get the view that you picked Ford or it was part reason, because of it'a involvement in U.K jobs?

Anyway. I actually like Ford I looked strongly at al Mondeo Estate before the VW. I just felt build was poor and no gas struts for bonnet? Felt cheap.

I'm looking very closely at S-Max as it looks for our needs.  :)
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Lincs Robert on 11 April 2017, 08:41:06
500k in a VW - I would have have died of boredom!

Eh? Don't paint everything with same brush. Especially as you drive a Mondeo  :)

Which I do and openly prefer it to VW products in the same market segment. My choice, yours is VW, mine isn't - simples. VW have been proven not to be trustworthy & contribute zero to U.K plc in terms of manufacturing or r&d jobs - which Ford certainly do. That's my opinion.

You do know who owns Bentley right? I mean at Crew they make:

Bentley Mulsanne
Continental Flying Spur
Continental GT
Continental GTC   Bentleys

Used to make:

Arnage
Azure
Brooklands

It's also their HQ, main R&D site and where they are all hand made and hand-crafted.... so yeah VW do nothing for the UK!

VW own Bentley, agreed, but the VW brand itself doesn't have any UK contribution - does it?

Trying to figure out if you are serious?  :-\

I was going to go into VW car sales, VAT contributions and so on but cannot be bothered.

But I will mention that your Ford was made in Spain.

Ford shut Southampton Transit production and moved it to Turkey.
Ford ended UK car production in 2002, leaving just engines made here.
Cars built in Euroland and shipped here. (yours)

I'd put a bet on Brexit completion, Ford move last of their two production sites out of the UK  :y

Ok, my car was built in Belgium actually - but has a British built engine, with many many engines being exported to other Ford plants worldwide. How many engines do VW (not Bentley) make in the UK, that will be zero engines, assembly or components.

As far as dealer jobs & VAT are concerned, the same (flawed) logic applies to BMW & Meecedes & the rest. I'm not a fan of Jap cars - but at least Nissan, Toyota & Honda all make large volumes of vehicles here & export them. They create real jobs whereas VW don't.

I'm not sure where you are going with your logic - all I'm saying is that I'd rather have a Mondeo than a Passat as I think the Passats are boring, although admit that the CC looks nice. I'm entitled to my opinion. STEMO makes an excellent point about the capabilities of cars as well. I haven't called anything a "shi* box" as seems to be the common way on this forum by certain people - just stated my opinions in a respectful way.

I just get the view that you picked Ford or it was part reason, because of it'a involvement in U.K jobs?

Anyway. I actually like Ford I looked strongly at al Mondeo Estate before the VW. I just felt build was poor and no gas struts for bonnet? Felt cheap.

I'm looking very closely at S-Max as it looks for our needs.  :)

It's not THE reason I picked Ford as a brand, I selected Mondeo (and I've had several now, although not as many Omegas as I've had), as it suited me best at the time. The jobs thing is a bonus - although not insignificant one. The jobs landscape changes with time so who knows what will happen re Brexit. I can't say that gas struts on the bonnet would ever be a deciding factor for me! My son & DIL went car shopping a few months back due to imminent arrival of a baby. The candidates were CMax & Tiguan, both cars were evens, but the Ford got chosen due to VW's emissions behaviour and previous arrogant behaviour by a VW dealer some years ago.

So choosing a car has lots of aspects as you know. Life would be pretty dull if we all liked the same thing wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: henryd on 11 April 2017, 09:39:35
500k in a VW - I would have have died of boredom!

Not so sure,my Touareg is one of the best cars I've owned and there have been a few :y
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: tunnie on 11 April 2017, 09:52:36
I've been looking at Tiguan's, Sharan's and the Touran. Problem is compared to S-Max they are all very dull, also sod all petrol versions around.

Think MrsT would find Touarag a tad big  ;D
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Viral_Jim on 11 April 2017, 10:13:14
Its all personal taste I think, as I've shopped around again for a newer car, I've gravitated away from VAG only because certain things I want (and consider "standard" requirements) are extras and seemingly not that common. These include heated seats, DAB and bluetooth, fairly common on ford, volvo and VX, but much rarer on all the german brands.

It probably boils down to the german stuff holding its value better, so at any given price point, you get less for your money.
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: tunnie on 11 April 2017, 10:21:20
Its all personal taste I think, as I've shopped around again for a newer car, I've gravitated away from VAG only because certain things I want (and consider "standard" requirements) are extras and seemingly not that common. These include heated seats, DAB and bluetooth, fairly common on ford, volvo and VX, but much rarer on all the german brands.

It probably boils down to the german stuff holding its value better, so at any given price point, you get less for your money.

This is what brought me to the CC, Sports Leather with very comfy seats. (far better than Audi/Merc/Ford/Vx) - Heated seats, Xenon lights, Sat Nav, DAB, Bluetooth, but also support for Audio (for Spotify) - Some Audi's had bluetooth but no audio pair support for streaming  :-\ - Also USB input in glove box, twin colour displays, cruise, tyre pressure stuff. Normally all extra's on a lot of VAG, but standard on GT spec CC.

I looked at lots, Insignia, Mondeo, Jag XF/XJ, Audi's, Merc E's all sorts, but felt I got most for my money with the CC in terms of age/spec miles. I was surprised I managed to get a 13 plate with my budget and requirements.
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Lincs Robert on 11 April 2017, 10:28:10
I've been looking at Tiguan's, Sharan's and the Touran. Problem is compared to S-Max they are all very dull, also sod all petrol versions around.

Think MrsT would find Touarag a tad big  ;D

Sorry, meant Tiguan, not Touareg!
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 11 April 2017, 10:31:18
My mate has a Tiguan.  It's brown which says it all really.  ::)
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 April 2017, 12:40:14
My mate has a Tiguan.  It's brown which says it all really.  ::)
As LR was alluding, there's no accounting for taste ;D
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 April 2017, 14:07:17
There is something not totally right about this story though, that's 42k a year....or 800+ miles per week......given the driving they described that seems a hell of a lot!  :o

Are they sure it was not a manufacturing fault and the clocks not ticking over at Km intervals.

To put it into perspective, I do 500 miles per week and about 24k miles a year......but I have a defined 100 mile daily commute.
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: TD on 11 April 2017, 18:02:01
There is something not totally right about this story though, that's 42k a year....or 800+ miles per week......given the driving they described that seems a hell of a lot!  :o

Are they sure it was not a manufacturing fault and the clocks not ticking over at Km intervals.

To put it into perspective, I do 500 miles per week and about 24k miles a year......but I have a defined 100 mile daily commute.

If you look closely at the pic of the odometer Mark, it does say miles on the display  :y

I could believe the mileage....some of their regular runs must 200-300 round trip.....plus other shorter trips soon mount up....

I do around 100 miles a day just driving around Swindon.....yesterday about 150 miles because of a trip to Bristol Airport...which took all afternoon because of delayed flight....and I didn't do a lot of driving in the morning either.....

Plus iirc VW are going to display it as an example of a high mileage VW.....so they must be confident of the mileage I would have thought....
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: TheBoy on 11 April 2017, 18:19:14
Plus iirc VW are going to display it as an example of a high mileage VW.....so they must be confident of the mileage I would have thought....
Hmmm, not sure VW sales bumpth is that believable given recentish stunts ;D
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 11 April 2017, 23:23:12
My first Insignificant did nearly 7k in three months.

My Altea did 136k in two years... I could go on ::)
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 12 April 2017, 12:02:04
The thing is this is a couple who are not Taxi drivers or using the car for business/profit purposes (according to the story), they say they do a long trip every other week etc......so either the story is missing detail (maybe he was doing commutes until a few years ago) but still, they either spend a stupid amount of time sat in a car or the history is missing,....
Title: Re: Challenge for tunnie!
Post by: TheBoy on 12 April 2017, 17:31:06
Either way, a bloody lot of time spent in a Golf...  ...and a Golf from Golf's dullest era.

Still yet to find a more comfortable place to crunch miles than an Elite with Elite cloth seats.  I reckon Range Rover (from L322 era) could come close if it weren't for the inconvenience of having to stand like a prick every couple of hundred miles because the bloody thing is feeling thirsty again ;D