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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Varche on 23 May 2017, 18:23:12
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I have the luxury of being able to start my old car up and leave it running to warm interior or cool it down safe in the knowledge that no one will nick it where we live. I even leave it running when i go to collect the post but i do crack the window in case it locks itself!
Cant do maverick things with a modern car. Open drivers door to see how close an object/kerb is and drive is disabled and parking brake applied. Not easy either starting engine to cool interior when you return to your car and it is 1000deg c inside while you then wait in the shade.
In fact i am beginning to think that some features are naff. Auto rain sensors? Auto light sensors? Hill start and electronic handbrake.
What modern features do you think are good?
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I have the luxury of being able to start my old car up and leave it running to warm interior or cool it down safe in the knowledge that no one will nick it where we live. I even leave it running when i go to collect the post but i do crack the window in case it locks itself!
Cant do maverick things with a modern car. Open drivers door to see how close an object/kerb is and drive is disabled and parking brake applied. Not easy either starting engine to cool interior when you return to your car and it is 1000deg c inside while you then wait in the shade.
In fact i am beginning to think that some features are naff. Auto rain sensors? Auto light sensors? Hill start and electronic handbrake.
What modern features do you think are good?
electric starter motors are quite high up the list ;D
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Direction indicators. Optional on all german idiot marques
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As to bad habits caused by modern gadgets, I'm guilty of reversing sensors - I just glance the mirrors and listen, rather than looking over shoulder. And satnav, I rarely even look at maps before going on a long route, just rely on the technology
:-[
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Rubber tyres. ;D
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Pneumatic or solid bg? ;D One of the most useless I've come across is the reversing camera to be specific the one fitted to some models of the Citroen C1 ???
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Tyre pressure sensors, can,t we bother to use a gauge.? :) Ok whilst running i suppose. :-\
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My first car (NOT from new!) was a 1938 Morris 12 and it had a starter motor, and because the starters were so reliable back then, it also had a starting handle which poperated in a dog on the end of the crank pulley - remember them? :-X
Ron.
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Yes Ron, if you didn,t hold em right and the bugger kicked back you ended up with a broken thumb. ;D
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I had a hillman minx in the early 80's and remember stalling in a queue of traffic and having to get out and crank it over in full view of many other "modern" motorists .....embarrassing or what ::)
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I think the last car i owned with a starting handle to supplement the battery was a Wolsey 16/60. That was about 1977.
Are tyre pressure sensors a must have? How hard is it to check them at a garage and have a look for blebs or cuts at the same time.
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Are tyre pressure sensors a must have? How hard is it to check them at a garage and have a look for blebs or cuts at the same time.
Legal requirement for the yanks. The rest of us get them as an unfortunate side effect. The ones in the Yeti can be set off by big pot holes. ::)
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Wifes got tyres pressure sensors on her bmw stupid thing is you can only check them while you are driving. Which means you have to take your eyes off the road and fiddle with the controls
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Automatic chokes, radio's and carpets :y
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Automatic chokes, radio's and carpets :y
My first car had a manual choke. 1991 1.3 ford escort 3 door estate. Guessing it was one of the last.
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I think the last car i owned with a starting handle to supplement the battery was a Wolsey 16/60. That was about 1977.
Are tyre pressure sensors a must have? How hard is it to check them at a garage and have a look for blebs or cuts at the same time.
Yes as of 2012 all new vehicle types had to have a pressure based tyre pressure monitoring system fitted and as of 2014 all new vehicles had to have it.
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... radio's and ...
I'm surprised at you Lizzie of all people ;) ;)
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I think the last car i owned with a starting handle to supplement the battery was a Wolsey 16/60. That was about 1977.
Are tyre pressure sensors a must have? How hard is it to check them at a garage and have a look for blebs or cuts at the same time.
Yes as of 2012 all new vehicle types had to have a pressure based tyre pressure monitoring system fitted and as of 2014 all new vehicles had to have it.
not just a tyre deflation warning using ABS? :-\
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... radio's and ...
I'm surprised at you Lizzie of all people ;) ;)
;D ;D ;D ;)
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... radio's and ...
I'm surprised at you Lizzie of all people ;) ;)
Those pesky apostrophes are always sneaking in places they don't belong.
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Automatic chokes, radio's and carpets :y
My first car had a manual choke. 1991 1.3 ford escort 3 door estate. Guessing it was one of the last.
I seem to recall the first car I had with an automatic choke was a Ford Cortina MkIII in 1976. I could be wrong, but certainly by my next new car, a Ford Cortina MkIV in 1977 the old choke had disappeared.
Thank God for the ousting of the carburetor by the fuel injection system! :D ;)
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... radio's and ...
I'm surprised at you Lizzie of all people ;) ;)
Those pesky apostrophes are always sneaking in places they don't belong.
There is always a debate going on about where they should go, if at all. Should it be Queens' or, what I favour the traditional Queen's or just Queens? Keeps some academics busy I suppose! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
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I seem to recall the first car I had with an automatic choke was a Ford Cortina MkIII in 1976. ....
I had a 73 MKIII Cortina with an auto choke (1600 Pinto engine) ..... it was a PITA. I persevered with it & eventually got it working as it should do
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I seem to recall the first car I had with an automatic choke was a Ford Cortina MkIII in 1976. ....
I had a 73 MKIII Cortina with an auto choke (1600 Pinto engine) ..... it was a PITA. I persevered with it & eventually got it working as it should do
Ah, thanks. My old memory wasn't playing tricks then :D :D ;)
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.... Should it be Queens'
belonging to more than one Queen
or, what I favour the traditional Queen's or
belonging to a single Queen
just Queens? Keeps some academics busy I suppose! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D
just more than one Queen
;D ;D ;D (not bad for someone than failed his O level English the first time around ::))
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I think the last car i owned with a starting handle to supplement the battery was a Wolsey 16/60. That was about 1977.
Are tyre pressure sensors a must have? How hard is it to check them at a garage and have a look for blebs or cuts at the same time.
Yes as of 2012 all new vehicle types had to have a pressure based tyre pressure monitoring system fitted and as of 2014 all new vehicles had to have it.
not just a tyre deflation warning using ABS? :-\
The regs are not overly specific:
All tyres provided as part of the equipment of a vehicle, including, where appropriate, any spare tyres, shall be suitable for use on the vehicles for which they are intended, particularly with regard to their dimensions, speed and load performance characteristics.
2. Vehicles of category M1 shall be equipped with an accurate tyre pressure monitoring system capable of giving, when necessary, an in-car warning to the driver when a loss of pressure occurs in any tyre, in the interests of optimum fuel consumption and road safety. Appropriate limits in the technical specifications shall be set to achieve this, which shall furthermore allow for a technology-neutral and cost-effective approach in the development of accurate tyre pressure monitoring systems.
Interestingly (or not as it may be), at the same time, gear shift indicators and ESP became mandatory to
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The Skoda (2016) is ABS based rather than pressure-sensor based.
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The old choke knob was always handy for hanging your coat on. ;D
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The old choke knob was always handy for hanging your coat on. ;D
..........or air freshners as the rear view mirror usually had fluffy dice on it! ;D ;D ;)
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Or a handbag, Lizzie? :P
Ron, hiding in a corner somewhere.....
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Or a handbag, Lizzie? :P
Ron, hiding in a corner somewhere.....
Nah, my handbag was always too heavy to hang there and would have bent the thing ;D ;D ;D
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Keyless entry when combined with keyless ignition. :y
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ABS/TC/ESC etc. etc..................all unnecessary if people would just learn to drive properly.
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ABS/TC/ESC etc. etc..................all unnecessary if people would just learn to drive properly.
You can't out brake ABS .....
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Agreed, but in most cases if the driver is perceptive and reading the road ahead, there shouldn't be any need for it.
I (and I would imagine you) managed perfectly well without it for decades. I dread to think what would happen if people who have learnt to drive in the last 25 years were let loose in cars without ABS, TC etc.
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Agreed, but in most cases if the driver is perceptive and reading the road ahead, there shouldn't be any need for it.
I (and I would imagine you) managed perfectly well without it for decades. I dread to think what would happen if people who have learnt to drive in the last 25 years were let loose in cars without ABS, TC etc.
I think Kevin has suggested this already, but perhaps it should be mandatory that your first car be a Lotus 7(alike) ;) No driver aids to save you, no safety zones to make you feel like you're wafting along in a cocoon of bubble wrap..
Also, nobody* reads the road anymore, that much is clear if you spend more than 30 seconds on a motorway..
(*Clearly I think I do, and I'm sure everyone here has the same opinion of themselves .. it just feels like it's nobody.)
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I regret that the age for learning to drive is now the same as for a motorcycle, because the learners now go straight onto cars and don't do their apprenticeship on two wheels, therefore not learning Roadcraft.
Ron.
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Or a handbag, Lizzie? :P
Ron, hiding in a corner somewhere.....
Nah, my handbag was always too heavy to hang there and would have bent the thing ;D ;D ;D
I always remember my mum used to hang hers on the gear stick in 'OGO', an early Renault 5 with the shifter sticking out the centre of the dash
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Agreed, but in most cases if the driver is perceptive and reading the road ahead, there shouldn't be any need for it.
I (and I would imagine you) managed perfectly well without it for decades. I dread to think what would happen if people who have learnt to drive in the last 25 years were let loose in cars without ABS, TC etc.
I had a moment on a wet road at night in the Touareg when travelling faster than perhaps I should have been which I'm not sure I would have caught if left to me bearing in mind the inertia of a 2.5 ton offroader trying to do shit that it shouldn't,I was very grateful for the ESP that night which I'd never noticed before in three years driving in it :y
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Or a handbag, Lizzie? :P
Ron, hiding in a corner somewhere.....
Nah, my handbag was always too heavy to hang there and would have bent the thing ;D ;D ;D
I always remember my mum used to hang hers on the gear stick in 'OGO', an early Renault 5 with the shifter sticking out the centre of the dash
Oh yes, I remember that. My Uncle Reg had one of those in 1969 and I thought it was so funny for some reason! ::) ;D ;D
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Agreed, but in most cases if the driver is perceptive and reading the road ahead, there shouldn't be any need for it.
Ah! I thought perhaps that might be what you meant. :-[
I (and I would imagine you) managed perfectly well without it for decades. I dread to think what would happen if people who have learnt to drive in the last 25 years were let loose in cars without ABS, TC etc.
Same as those that drive a RWD in snow & ice for the first time after they learned in a FWD car ..... they don't get anywhere very fast.
There's a time when ESP/TC/etc should be turned off :y
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I recently read an article in a car mag where a "motoring journalist" described why rwd is useless in slippery conditions. They not only walk among us, but now they get paid to misinform us. ::)
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Agreed, but in most cases if the driver is perceptive and reading the road ahead, there shouldn't be any need for it.
I (and I would imagine you) managed perfectly well without it for decades. I dread to think what would happen if people who have learnt to drive in the last 25 years were let loose in cars without ABS, TC etc.
I had a moment on a wet road at night in the Touareg when travelling faster than perhaps I should have been which I'm not sure I would have caught if left to me bearing in mind the inertia of a 2.5 ton offroader trying to do shit that it shouldn't,I was very grateful for the ESP that night which I'd never noticed before in three years driving in it :y
Perhaps if you had been driving an old fashioned car without the aids & gizmos you would have stayed more alert and paid more attention to your speed,and general limitations of your self and your car ?
I hope that doesn't come across as condescending as it isn't meant to. I just believe that modern driver aids tend to make us lazier as drivers when we know the car will help us, up to a point, if we run ourselves into trouble.
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Agreed, but in most cases if the driver is perceptive and reading the road ahead, there shouldn't be any need for it.
I (and I would imagine you) managed perfectly well without it for decades. I dread to think what would happen if people who have learnt to drive in the last 25 years were let loose in cars without ABS, TC etc.
I had a moment on a wet road at night in the Touareg when travelling faster than perhaps I should have been which I'm not sure I would have caught if left to me bearing in mind the inertia of a 2.5 ton offroader trying to do shit that it shouldn't,I was very grateful for the ESP that night which I'd never noticed before in three years driving in it :y
Perhaps if you had been driving an old fashioned car without the aids & gizmos you would have stayed more alert and paid more attention to your speed,and general limitations of your self and your car ?
I hope that doesn't come across as condescending as it isn't meant to. I just believe that modern driver aids tend to make us lazier as drivers when we know the car will help us, up to a point, if we run ourselves into trouble.
Yep, the other thing about modern cars is that they transmit no feedback to the driver. Without all the power assistance and gizmos you can feel when you're starting to reach the limits of adhesion.
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Agreed, but in most cases if the driver is perceptive and reading the road ahead, there shouldn't be any need for it.
I (and I would imagine you) managed perfectly well without it for decades. I dread to think what would happen if people who have learnt to drive in the last 25 years were let loose in cars without ABS, TC etc.
I had a moment on a wet road at night in the Touareg when travelling faster than perhaps I should have been which I'm not sure I would have caught if left to me bearing in mind the inertia of a 2.5 ton offroader trying to do shit that it shouldn't,I was very grateful for the ESP that night which I'd never noticed before in three years driving in it :y
I was behind a Toerag last night on the way home and was reminded that they are fairly handsome cars.. doing less mileage now I'd be sorely tempted by one.
Or an SQ7 .. but I'm not made of money ;D
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Agreed, but in most cases if the driver is perceptive and reading the road ahead, there shouldn't be any need for it.
I (and I would imagine you) managed perfectly well without it for decades. I dread to think what would happen if people who have learnt to drive in the last 25 years were let loose in cars without ABS, TC etc.
I had a moment on a wet road at night in the Touareg when travelling faster than perhaps I should have been which I'm not sure I would have caught if left to me bearing in mind the inertia of a 2.5 ton offroader trying to do shit that it shouldn't,I was very grateful for the ESP that night which I'd never noticed before in three years driving in it :y
I was behind a Toerag last night on the way home and was reminded that they are fairly handsome cars.. doing less mileage now I'd be sorely tempted by one.
Or an SQ7 .. but I'm not made of money ;D
I've been pleased with ours,very much dual purpose and happy towing pikey wagon or long motorway trips solo when it feels more like a big car than an offroader
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Agreed, but in most cases if the driver is perceptive and reading the road ahead, there shouldn't be any need for it.
I (and I would imagine you) managed perfectly well without it for decades. I dread to think what would happen if people who have learnt to drive in the last 25 years were let loose in cars without ABS, TC etc.
I had a moment on a wet road at night in the Touareg when travelling faster than perhaps I should have been which I'm not sure I would have caught if left to me bearing in mind the inertia of a 2.5 ton offroader trying to do shit that it shouldn't,I was very grateful for the ESP that night which I'd never noticed before in three years driving in it :y
Perhaps if you had been driving an old fashioned car without the aids & gizmos you would have stayed more alert and paid more attention to your speed,and general limitations of your self and your car ?
I hope that doesn't come across as condescending as it isn't meant to. I just believe that modern driver aids tend to make us lazier as drivers when we know the car will help us, up to a point, if we run ourselves into trouble.
I was noticeably more alert afterwards :-X
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I've been pleased with ours,very much dual purpose and happy towing pikey wagon or long motorway trips solo when it feels more like a big car than an offroader
Doing less miles I'd actually be inclined toward petrol next time (esp. if the gov't decides to murder diesel) - not much choice in petrol Touaregs or Q7s though! 2 of each for sale on Pistonheads and they're not as fast or capable as their diesel brethren..
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Keyless entry when combined with keyless ignition. :y
For such a gimmicky thing, it soon becomes 2nd nature, and annoying when you jump in a car without it :-[
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Keyless entry when combined with keyless ignition. :y
For such a gimmicky thing, it soon becomes 2nd nature, and annoying when you jump in a car without it :-[
Not that I've already looked a idiot trying to open a locked Zafira without the key. Honest.
::)
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Keyless entry when combined with keyless ignition. :y
For such a gimmicky thing, it soon becomes 2nd nature, and annoying when you jump in a car without it :-[
As my neighbour discovered when he rushed out locking the keys to his Auris estate in the house... ;D
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Keyless entry when combined with keyless ignition. :y
For such a gimmicky thing, it soon becomes 2nd nature, and annoying when you jump in a car without it :-[
The thing I've done with keyless entry cars, is when I park and walk away, but then because I have OCD or some other syndrome, I always have to go back and double check I've locked up. ::)
And of course when I check the door it's open! :D ;) ;D
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Keyless entry when combined with keyless ignition. :y
For such a gimmicky thing, it soon becomes 2nd nature, and annoying when you jump in a car without it :-[
The thing I've done with keyless entry cars, is when I park and walk away, but then because I have OCD or some other syndrome, I always have to go back and double check I've locked up. ::)
And of course when I check the door it's open! :D ;) ;D
How does keyless entry work if the place you keep your car keys at home is within range of the car? :-\
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Keyless entry when combined with keyless ignition. :y
For such a gimmicky thing, it soon becomes 2nd nature, and annoying when you jump in a car without it :-[
The thing I've done with keyless entry cars, is when I park and walk away, but then because I have OCD or some other syndrome, I always have to go back and double check I've locked up. ::)
And of course when I check the door it's open! :D ;) ;D
A guy I work with pulled in to our works car park, got out to chat to us, pressed the remote and locked his car as we walked off to do our shift.
In the early hours of the morning, as we'd finished our shift, we were walking out to the car park when he noticed his lights were on. Thinking that someone was about to steal it we ran over to his car, which had the engine running. His car was still locked, nobody was in it, the engine was running and the auto lights had come on as it was dark.
That car, a 530d, had been sat idling for 11.5 hours. :o It had used less that a quarter of a tank.
The only saving grace was, it was minus five that night so he didn't have to defrost his car and it was lovely and warm inside. ::)
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We get the occasional one of those in the car parks at work :D
Presumably if you press the button to start it then you need to press a button to stop it ::)
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I think the last car i owned with a starting handle to supplement the battery was a Wolsey 16/60. That was about 1977.
Are tyre pressure sensors a must have? How hard is it to check them at a garage and have a look for blebs or cuts at the same time.
Yes as of 2012 all new vehicle types had to have a pressure based tyre pressure monitoring system fitted and as of 2014 all new vehicles had to have it.
TPMS has very little to do with safety and everything to do with saving 0.00000002% on every tank of fuel by ensuring your tyres are correctly inflated.
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We get the occasional one of those in the car parks at work :D
Presumably if you press the button to start it then you need to press a button to stop it ::)
Quite right. :y Technically, if someone timed it right and jumped in as you went to the boot, they could press the start button and drive off. I'm sure they could live with the 'Remote out of range' bong'ing away as they ragged the arse off it. ;D
They wouldn't be able to stop though as it wouldn't restart with the fob out of range, but I would know where they'd dumped it by using my app*. ;D
*Unless it's in a container. ::)
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Keyless entry when combined with keyless ignition. :y
For such a gimmicky thing, it soon becomes 2nd nature, and annoying when you jump in a car without it :-[
The thing I've done with keyless entry cars, is when I park and walk away, but then because I have OCD or some other syndrome, I always have to go back and double check I've locked up. ::)
And of course when I check the door it's open! :D ;) ;D
How does keyless entry work if the place you keep your car keys at home is within range of the car? :-\
With my daughters Renault Scenic to start the engine, by pushing the button, the key card must be either with you in the drivers seat, or certainly within 1 metre either side of it. The same goes for stopping the engine; it will not turn off unless the key card is right there. ;)
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Grudgingly have to admit hill start assist on an auto worked well enough today. Mind you no manual handbrake!
We have just been having a discussion as to whether it is legal to use your left foot to brake? I have a sneaky feeling i am wrong and it is technically illegal but only if you caused an accident. Don,t try it tomorrow if you never have as you will find you have no control -just on or off!😕
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Grudgingly have to admit hill start assist on an auto worked well enough today. Mind you no manual handbrake!
We have just been having a discussion as to whether it is legal to use your left foot to brake? I have a sneaky feeling i am wrong and it is technically illegal but only if you caused an accident. Don,t try it tomorrow if you never have as you will find you have no control -just on or off!😕
I always left foot brake :y :y
When I was invited to my speed awareness course ::) a few years back, I was told off for doing so .... reason being, I might press both pedals. I'm sure he could've thought up a better excuse. ;D
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Grudgingly have to admit hill start assist on an auto worked well enough today. Mind you no manual handbrake!
We have just been having a discussion as to whether it is legal to use your left foot to brake? I have a sneaky feeling i am wrong and it is technically illegal but only if you caused an accident. Don,t try it tomorrow if you never have as you will find you have no control -just on or off!😕
I always left foot brake :y :y
When I was invited to my speed awareness course ::) a few years back, I was told off for doing so .... reason being, I might press both pedals. I'm sure he could've thought up a better excuse. ;D
So do I, in an auto. :y
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Grudgingly have to admit hill start assist on an auto worked well enough today. Mind you no manual handbrake!
We have just been having a discussion as to whether it is legal to use your left foot to brake? I have a sneaky feeling i am wrong and it is technically illegal but only if you caused an accident. Don,t try it tomorrow if you never have as you will find you have no control -just on or off!😕
I always left foot brake :y :y
When I was invited to my speed awareness course ::) a few years back, I was told off for doing so .... reason being, I might press both pedals. I'm sure he could've thought up a better excuse. ;D
So do I, in an auto. :y
The first time I drove an auto was about 25 years ago when they had a brake pedal the size of an ironing board.
Instinct made me press my left foot to the floor while gently braking with my right foot the first time I stopped.............
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I had exactly the same experience. ;D
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I too have a tendency at times to left foot brake in an auto,although I find myself wondering why I do so,after all when driving a manual it's right foot for accelerator/brake and left foot for clutch so why does it feel "natural" to left foot brake in an auto?
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I've been pleased with ours,very much dual purpose and happy towing pikey wagon or long motorway trips solo when it feels more like a big car than an offroader
Doing less miles I'd actually be inclined toward petrol next time (esp. if the gov't decides to murder diesel) - not much choice in petrol Touaregs or Q7s though! 2 of each for sale on Pistonheads and they're not as fast or capable as their diesel brethren..
Porsche Cayenne?
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I've been pleased with ours,very much dual purpose and happy towing pikey wagon or long motorway trips solo when it feels more like a big car than an offroader
Doing less miles I'd actually be inclined toward petrol next time (esp. if the gov't decides to murder diesel) - not much choice in petrol Touaregs or Q7s though! 2 of each for sale on Pistonheads and they're not as fast or capable as their diesel brethren..
Porsche Cayenne?
Good point - same car essentially but with a better choice of engines that don't run on (as our esteemed Opti would say) the devils juice.
Still I'll probably be sensible and see out the finance on the Skoda ;D
When I was invited to my speed awareness course ::) a few years back, I was told off for doing so .... reason being, I might press both pedals. I'm sure he could've thought up a better excuse. ;D
When you're 90 years old and have ploughed through the front window of a chippy because you pressed both pedals, I guess he'll consider himself proven right... ;) ;D
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Keyless entry when combined with keyless ignition. :y
For such a gimmicky thing, it soon becomes 2nd nature, and annoying when you jump in a car without it :-[
The thing I've done with keyless entry cars, is when I park and walk away, but then because I have OCD or some other syndrome, I always have to go back and double check I've locked up. ::)
And of course when I check the door it's open! :D ;) ;D
How does keyless entry work if the place you keep your car keys at home is within range of the car? :-\
It has to be very close ;)
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Keyless entry when combined with keyless ignition. :y
For such a gimmicky thing, it soon becomes 2nd nature, and annoying when you jump in a car without it :-[
The thing I've done with keyless entry cars, is when I park and walk away, but then because I have OCD or some other syndrome, I always have to go back and double check I've locked up. ::)
And of course when I check the door it's open! :D ;) ;D
How does keyless entry work if the place you keep your car keys at home is within range of the car? :-\
It has to be very close ;)
Yeah. Close enough to put a fickin key in ;D
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when you're 90 years old and have ploughed through the front window of a chippy because you pressed both pedals, I guess he'll consider himself proven right... ;) ;D
If you press both pedals of most modern fly by wire throttles, you find that the throttle 'switches off' ..... besides, I'm not sure I'll still be around in 35 yrs :D
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It has to be very close ;)
It wasn't very close on a Top Gear when they parked Capt Slow's car (a Ford?) in the middle of the street :-\
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Keyless entry when combined with keyless ignition. :y
For such a gimmicky thing, it soon becomes 2nd nature, and annoying when you jump in a car without it :-[
The thing I've done with keyless entry cars, is when I park and walk away, but then because I have OCD or some other syndrome, I always have to go back and double check I've locked up. ::)
And of course when I check the door it's open! :D ;) ;D
How does keyless entry work if the place you keep your car keys at home is within range of the car? :-\
It has to be very close ;)
Yeah. Close enough to put a fickin key in ;D
Yes - but without actually having to do it. Key stays in pocket, no need to touch anything :y
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Keyless entry when combined with keyless ignition. :y
For such a gimmicky thing, it soon becomes 2nd nature, and annoying when you jump in a car without it :-[
The thing I've done with keyless entry cars, is when I park and walk away, but then because I have OCD or some other syndrome, I always have to go back and double check I've locked up. ::)
And of course when I check the door it's open! :D ;) ;D
How does keyless entry work if the place you keep your car keys at home is within range of the car? :-\
It has to be very close ;)
Yeah. Close enough to put a fickin key in ;D
Yes. I believe the spec says the key has to be less that 1m from one of the detectors (door handles, or boot button) - I'll have a play later to see... ...obviously, on mine and I guess all others, you can still use the remote in the traditional way, and it has a very good range on it (but then the fob is the size of a lorry)
Same with starting it. (ignoring silly "must press brake pedal to start" 'dangle berries'), you can't start unless somebody with a valid key is sat in the car. So can't start it stood by open drivers door.
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Even with the brake pedal pressed?
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Even with the brake pedal pressed?
Yes. To start, the key has to be within a set distance of one of the internal receivers, in the same way it has to be within range of one of the external receivers to keyless unlock vehicle.
I tied unlocking, unsuccessfully, earlier today by hold key at arms length away from the car. So it does have to be quite close.
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Even with the brake pedal pressed?
Yes. To start, the key has to be within a set distance of one of the internal receivers, in the same way it has to be within range of one of the external receivers to keyless unlock vehicle.
I tied unlocking, unsuccessfully, earlier today by hold key at arms length away from the car. So it does have to be quite close.
My Z is the same, you have to be in very close proximity to the door handle, around half a metre but I`m sure the key works from the passenger seat once inside.
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Even with the brake pedal pressed?
Yes. To start, the key has to be within a set distance of one of the internal receivers, in the same way it has to be within range of one of the external receivers to keyless unlock vehicle.
I tied unlocking, unsuccessfully, earlier today by hold key at arms length away from the car. So it does have to be quite close.
My Z is the same, you have to be in very close proximity to the door handle, around half a metre but I`m sure the key works from the passenger seat once inside.
Yes, on mine, as long as the key is in range of one of the internal receivers, it'll start. That includes if front seat passenger has key. Not tried if it works with key in the back.
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Even with the brake pedal pressed?
Yes. To start, the key has to be within a set distance of one of the internal receivers, in the same way it has to be within range of one of the external receivers to keyless unlock vehicle.
I tied unlocking, unsuccessfully, earlier today by hold key at arms length away from the car. So it does have to be quite close.
My Z is the same, you have to be in very close proximity to the door handle, around half a metre but I`m sure the key works from the passenger seat once inside.
Yes, on mine, as long as the key is in range of one of the internal receivers, it'll start. That includes if front seat passenger has key. Not tried if it works with key in the back.
What happens if you start it, then get out with the key? does the engine stop? If so, if you leave the key inside the car and then get out, presumably its stays running? And you then can lock it with spare key?
Just wondering how it would work in the winter, with frosty mornings and your liking of starting up to defrost and warm up whilst you buggar off back inside to the warm ::)
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Just that. Won't stop the engine unless a) you stall it, b) it runs out of fuel, or c) you press the button to stop it. :y
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Not tried, I suspect it won't allow externally locking if the key is inside, and still running.
I know I can start, and get out and go inside with key. The car keeps running (grumbling about the key of course). I'm not sure it allows you to select a gear though, not tried.
It has the stupid Ford derived quick clear windscreen, so deforst ain't an issue. But I'll probably still warm it as I warm the other cars, start, then go back in. Never bothered locking before, doubt I'll start now ;)
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I can`t lock mine with the key inside, I know this from when I bought it and stopped off at the services, took me five minutes before I worked out that the spare key was in the car :-[
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I still wouldn't leave the fob in the car if youcan help it.I have known a couple of occasions[both Fords as it happens]when the car has locked itself with them still in the car.
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I still wouldn't leave the fob in the car if youcan help it.I have known a couple of occasions[both Fords as it happens]when the car has locked itself with them still in the car.
I don`t, it lives in the small coin pocket in my jeans while I`m using the car :y
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I know I can start, and get out and go inside with key. The car keeps running (grumbling about the key of course). I'm not sure it allows you to select a gear though, not tried.
It does allow you to select a gear, and move it in this scenario. It also locks all the doors as soon as you get out and close the door...