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Title: Computer Rage
Post by: Elite Pete on 07 August 2008, 09:00:05
Im going to chuck this F@#&ing computer out of the window and them smash it to bits with sammy.

Everytime I go to reply to a question, click on a new page or visit another site, it comes up with Internet explorer cannot display page.

Any ideas, before the computer gets it.

Oh yeah, this is the third time ive tried this so here goes
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: TheBoy on 07 August 2008, 09:02:31
What ISP?  I'm dealing with a massive DNS issue at the moment?

Saying that, you local dns cache should cope.

Clear IE cache and cookies, and reboot router.
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Jimbob on 07 August 2008, 09:02:39
Download firefox!
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: TheBoy on 07 August 2008, 09:04:21
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Download firefox!
IE isn't the problem.  Its what you load in to IE ;) - and Firefox plugins are usually coded as badly, if not worse ;)

Oh, and Firefox is a bit like MI5 when it comes to bugs  :-X
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Elite Pete on 07 August 2008, 09:04:44
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What ISP?  I'm dealing with a massive DNS issue at the moment?

Saying that, you local dns cache should cope.

Clear IE cache and cookies, and reboot router.
Virgin.

It started to happen after I cleared the cookies and defraged yesterday.
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Elite Pete on 07 August 2008, 09:06:52
This is weird, its not done it for the last few pages/replies. I think it knows just how close it has come to death ;D
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: TheBoy on 07 August 2008, 09:07:58
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What ISP?  I'm dealing with a massive DNS issue at the moment?

Saying that, you local dns cache should cope.

Clear IE cache and cookies, and reboot router.
Virgin.

It started to happen after I cleared the cookies and defraged yesterday.
Virgin not affected by the DNS issue.  Are other sites OK, as NTL/Virgin use transparent proxies which they can't get to work too well
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Elite Pete on 07 August 2008, 09:08:58
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What ISP?  I'm dealing with a massive DNS issue at the moment?

Saying that, you local dns cache should cope.

Clear IE cache and cookies, and reboot router.
Virgin.

It started to happen after I cleared the cookies and defraged yesterday.
Virgin not affected by the DNS issue.  Are other sites OK, as NTL/Virgin use transparent proxies which they can't get to work too well
No, it happens on all sites.
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 07 August 2008, 09:10:50
Sounds like normal inconsistent Virgin media operation to me!
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: TheBoy on 07 August 2008, 09:11:17
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What ISP?  I'm dealing with a massive DNS issue at the moment?

Saying that, you local dns cache should cope.

Clear IE cache and cookies, and reboot router.
Virgin.

It started to happen after I cleared the cookies and defraged yesterday.
Virgin not affected by the DNS issue.  Are other sites OK, as NTL/Virgin use transparent proxies which they can't get to work too well
No, it happens on all sites.
I'm guessing their proxies are playing up again.

One last thing to try, reboot router, then - Start > Run > ipconfig /flushdns
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Elite Pete on 07 August 2008, 09:12:01
Ive not had a problem for the last 10 minutes and ive not altered or done anything different :-?
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: TheBoy on 07 August 2008, 09:13:41
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Ive not had a problem for the last 10 minutes and ive not altered or done anything different :-?
Does sound like NTL/Virgin's normal SNAFU
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Elite Pete on 07 August 2008, 09:14:58
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Ive not had a problem for the last 10 minutes and ive not altered or done anything different :-?
Does sound like NTL/Virgin's normal SNAFU
Oh well, time to put Sammy back to bed ;D
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: tunnie on 07 August 2008, 09:21:46
i had virgin cable internet at uni... fast but very unreliable.

We were re-booting the cable modem daily, however we did hammer it, sometimes hitting 30gb a day  ::)
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: TheBoy on 07 August 2008, 09:25:45
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i had virgin cable internet at uni... fast but very unreliable.

We were re-booting the cable modem daily, however we did hammer it, sometimes hitting 30gb a day  ::)
There are very few (legal) reasons to be using that sort of bandwidth.  That kind of usage is what has buggered up NTL - its unsustainable.  Actually, thats whats buggered up the Internet everywhere.
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Elite Pete on 07 August 2008, 09:27:51
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i had virgin cable internet at uni... fast but very unreliable.

We were re-booting the cable modem daily, however we did hammer it, sometimes hitting 30gb a day  ::)
Im useless with computers why would you need 30 Gariboldis a day :D
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 07 August 2008, 09:39:37
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Download firefox!

Use Firefox.

Suffered your problems last week, am ok now.
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: tunnie on 07 August 2008, 09:51:16
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i had virgin cable internet at uni... fast but very unreliable.

We were re-booting the cable modem daily, however we did hammer it, sometimes hitting 30gb a day  ::)
Im useless with computers why would you need 30 Gariboldis a day :D

4 students on a 10mbit internet connection  ::)

TV shows, films, applications for uni.

Trouble is we never sat down and said you get this, you get that, we would download the same stuff.

Worked out at 7.5gb each a day, i had a seperate PC that was always on  ::)
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: dbug on 07 August 2008, 10:20:22
First try clearing IE cache and cookies, and reboot router.

Had a similar problem at work yesterday - BT broadband - changed their krappy router for a spare BT krappy router, manually configured and straight onto net!  2nd time we have had a BT router fail!

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Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: TheBoy on 07 August 2008, 10:31:11
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First try clearing IE cache and cookies, and reboot router.

Had a similar problem at work yesterday - BT broadband - changed their krappy router for a spare BT krappy router, manually configured and straight onto net!  2nd time we have had a BT router fail!
There were/are some big DNS issues affecting more than 1 ISP yesterday.  People manually configuring DNS IPs need to ensure they enter at least 2, and that they are geographically diverse.  Or let ISP do it via DHCP ;)
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: rickyboy on 07 August 2008, 10:31:20
If you open IE, click tools, internet options, connections tab, lan settings then make sure the automatically detect settings box is ticked, click ok, then ok again.  Exit IE then re-open it and this will often sort this problem.
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: bob.dent on 07 August 2008, 11:47:47
I dunno......a bad workman always blames his tools! ::) ;D :D
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Brian T on 07 August 2008, 12:44:01
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i had virgin cable internet at uni... fast but very unreliable.

We were re-booting the cable modem daily, however we did hammer it, sometimes hitting 30gb a day  ::)
There are very few (legal) reasons to be using that sort of bandwidth.  That kind of usage is what has buggered up NTL - its unsustainable.  Actually, thats whats buggered up the Internet everywhere.

More inclined to think that BT's ageing copper wire telephone system doesn't help. I've been with Virgin for 3 years now and my router currently has an up time of 3.5 months, it would have been longer but swmbo pulled the plug out!
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Plomien on 07 August 2008, 12:52:14
there have been problems the last couple of days on Virgin medias network with dropouts it seems to have been fixed for now.
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: TheBoy on 07 August 2008, 13:01:17
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i had virgin cable internet at uni... fast but very unreliable.

We were re-booting the cable modem daily, however we did hammer it, sometimes hitting 30gb a day  ::)
There are very few (legal) reasons to be using that sort of bandwidth.  That kind of usage is what has buggered up NTL - its unsustainable.  Actually, thats whats buggered up the Internet everywhere.

More inclined to think that BT's ageing copper wire telephone system doesn't help. I've been with Virgin for 3 years now and my router currently has an up time of 3.5 months, it would have been longer but swmbo pulled the plug out!
A popularist view often touted in many coloumns of certain parts of the press. Wrongly.

Currently, the last mile 'copper' (if you're lucky) networks are not the bottleneck.


Currently OOF main router stats:

System up:   258 days 16 hours 22 minutes
Line up:     257 days 10 hours 43 minutes
Attenuation:
        Local:  35 dB
        Remote: 16 dB
Noise Margin:
        Upstream:       24 dB
        Downstream:     29 dB
Xmit Power Level:       11.93 dBm


Line up has been over 400 days before, showing 'BTs ageing copper network' is not really a problem for stability or speed.
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: TheBoy on 07 August 2008, 13:05:32
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there have been problems the last couple of days on Virgin medias network with dropouts it seems to have been fixed for now.
VIrgin/NTL use transparent proxies, no problem with that, only theirs do seem to suffer big stability issues
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Plomien on 07 August 2008, 13:07:19
BTW I work for Virgin media (albiet not for much longer as the buggers are closing my department) so I know there have been problems the last couple of days with dropouts ;)
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Markie on 07 August 2008, 13:50:37
....similarly useless with computers....

I`ve also been having this issue, with Wanadoo/Orange since yesterday. Never had a problem in the 2 years prior...

Wonder if its linked  :-/
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: dbug on 07 August 2008, 14:56:30
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First try clearing IE cache and cookies, and reboot router.

Had a similar problem at work yesterday - BT broadband - changed their krappy router for a spare BT krappy router, manually configured and straight onto net!  2nd time we have had a BT router fail!
There were/are some big DNS issues affecting more than 1 ISP yesterday.  People manually configuring DNS IPs need to ensure they enter at least 2, and that they are geographically diverse.  Or let ISP do it via DHCP ;)

Yeh know about this - however put the old router back in this am & guess wot - wouldn't connect.  Swapped it over & connected strtaight back on.  Both manually configured for same DNS servers (one UK, one USA).  Think the orig router breaked!!
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: TheBoy on 07 August 2008, 15:01:19
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First try clearing IE cache and cookies, and reboot router.

Had a similar problem at work yesterday - BT broadband - changed their krappy router for a spare BT krappy router, manually configured and straight onto net!  2nd time we have had a BT router fail!
There were/are some big DNS issues affecting more than 1 ISP yesterday.  People manually configuring DNS IPs need to ensure they enter at least 2, and that they are geographically diverse.  Or let ISP do it via DHCP ;)

Yeh know about this - however put the old router back in this am & guess wot - wouldn't connect.  Swapped it over & connected strtaight back on.  Both manually configured for same DNS servers (one UK, one USA).  Think the orig router breaked!!
What router is it - thought BT were still dishing out Efficient/Siemens to non Hub customers, unless you're really unlucky and get one of those crap 2wire ones?
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: dbug on 07 August 2008, 15:09:47
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First try clearing IE cache and cookies, and reboot router.

Had a similar problem at work yesterday - BT broadband - changed their krappy router for a spare BT krappy router, manually configured and straight onto net!  2nd time we have had a BT router fail!
There were/are some big DNS issues affecting more than 1 ISP yesterday.  People manually configuring DNS IPs need to ensure they enter at least 2, and that they are geographically diverse.  Or let ISP do it via DHCP ;)

Yeh know about this - however put the old router back in this am & guess wot - wouldn't connect.  Swapped it over & connected strtaight back on.  Both manually configured for same DNS servers (one UK, one USA).  Think the orig router breaked!!
What router is it - thought BT were still dishing out Efficient/Siemens to non Hub customers, unless you're really unlucky and get one of those crap 2wire ones?

Guess wot they r still dishing out the krap 2wire ones - & we're a business user!
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: TheBoy on 07 August 2008, 15:11:22
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Guess wot they r still dishing out the krap 2wire ones - & we're a business user!
Ahhh!  They are awful.  Don't tolerate much 'education' either - I've swept up a fair few with a hoover  :-[
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: TheBoy on 07 August 2008, 15:12:57
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Guess wot they r still dishing out the krap 2wire ones - & we're a business user!
Shame, as (PSU aside) the 2Mbit flash Efficent and the Siemens are fairly indestructable.  As said, PSU, particularly on the Efficients, is weak though.
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Brian T on 07 August 2008, 16:22:08
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i had virgin cable internet at uni... fast but very unreliable.

We were re-booting the cable modem daily, however we did hammer it, sometimes hitting 30gb a day  ::)
There are very few (legal) reasons to be using that sort of bandwidth.  That kind of usage is what has buggered up NTL - its unsustainable.  Actually, thats whats buggered up the Internet everywhere.

More inclined to think that BT's ageing copper wire telephone system doesn't help. I've been with Virgin for 3 years now and my router currently has an up time of 3.5 months, it would have been longer but swmbo pulled the plug out!
A popularist view often touted in many coloumns of certain parts of the press. Wrongly.

Currently, the last mile 'copper' (if you're lucky) networks are not the bottleneck.


Currently OOF main router stats:

System up:   258 days 16 hours 22 minutes
Line up:     257 days 10 hours 43 minutes
Attenuation:
        Local:  35 dB
        Remote: 16 dB
Noise Margin:
        Upstream:       24 dB
        Downstream:     29 dB
Xmit Power Level:       11.93 dBm


Line up has been over 400 days before, showing 'BTs ageing copper network' is not really a problem for stability or speed.

And is that connected to a domestic 8mb broadband solution with BT or a more dedicated corporate provider who has lower contention ratios.
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: TheBoy on 07 August 2008, 16:40:08
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And is that connected to a domestic 8mb broadband solution with BT or a more dedicated corporate provider who has lower contention ratios.
A standard DSL provided over BT's IPStream network.
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Elite Pete on 08 August 2008, 13:58:05
Here we go again >:(
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Brian T on 08 August 2008, 14:23:09
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Here we go again >:(

Nope no argument or rage from me just enquring weather TB's figures were based on the domestic service the rest of us use and I believe was being discussed or if he hadd some dedicated service for his server. He answered my question end of conversation!
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Elite Pete on 08 August 2008, 15:46:11
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Here we go again >:(

Nope no argument or rage from me just enquring weather TB's figures were based on the domestic service the rest of us use and I believe was being discussed or if he hadd some dedicated service for his server. He answered my question end of conversation!
No ;D

Here way go again as in my PC is playing up again ::)
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: TheBoy on 08 August 2008, 16:03:37
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Here we go again >:(

Nope no argument or rage from me just enquring weather TB's figures were based on the domestic service the rest of us use and I believe was being discussed or if he hadd some dedicated service for his server. He answered my question end of conversation!
LOL - I think you misunderstood Elite Pete.  He is rummaging through his garage looking for Sammy Sledgehammer so he can 'fix' his tempremental PC ;D
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: Brian T on 08 August 2008, 16:20:19
Another reason why I'll never get used to communicating via text message, foum posts or even email for that matter you just never know exactly what people mean. Sorry EP if you need a hammer let me know :-[
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: qwerty on 09 August 2008, 17:03:11
theboy talking in language people can actually understand!

must be on a power trip
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: philhoward on 09 August 2008, 17:50:11
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I dunno......a bad workman always blames his tools! ::) ;D :D
When the tools are anything with "Microsoft", then its allowed...

On an aside, I left Virgin just after they bought out NTL as my uptime started to fall below 50% per week..just got fed up with it.  Been with BT over a year now, and only 2 dropouts - only one wasn't immediately fixed with a Homehub reboot (the old white one).
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: seprim on 09 August 2008, 19:06:54
Try contacting your ISP and asking them to help sort your problem - Tech support should at least help with checking thier servers so that you havent been locked out for some reason. Also if thier DNS are down they will tell you how long this state of affairs is expected to last.
good luck  ;)

Then if they dont satisfy you, consider changing your ISP, and tell them you are going to change unless they buck thier ideas up, unless you are tied into them with a range of other products.
Rule of thumb - wanna know a good isp - check WHICH, check thinkbroadband.com and you cant go wrong with eclipse, Keconnect as the larger ISP's have dreadful support, uptime and speed in comparison. I have been with keconnect and they have been fine for a couple of years. I have heard tesco and waitrose are good ! I have been with Pipex, BT, Demon, AOL and Orange in the past and i think they are too big to care about lil ol me, so you should compare what others have said before making your choice :y
Title: Re: Computer Rage
Post by: TheBoy on 09 August 2008, 19:23:26
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Try contacting your ISP and asking them to help sort your problem - Tech support should at least help with checking thier servers so that you havent been locked out for some reason. Also if thier DNS are down they will tell you how long this state of affairs is expected to last.
good luck  ;)

Then if they dont satisfy you, consider changing your ISP, and tell them you are going to change unless they buck thier ideas up, unless you are tied into them with a range of other products.
Rule of thumb - wanna know a good isp - check WHICH, check thinkbroadband.com and you cant go wrong with eclipse, Keconnect as the larger ISP's have dreadful support, uptime and speed in comparison. I have been with keconnect and they have been fine for a couple of years. I have heard tesco and waitrose are good ! I have been with Pipex, BT, Demon, AOL and Orange in the past and i think they are too big to care about lil ol me, so you should compare what others have said before making your choice :y
trouble with sites such as adslguide or whatever they call themselves this week is they aren't really big enough to get a good guide for ISPs.  Plus, as people tend to join such sites due to problems, the bigger ISPs seem to be worse than they are.


As all ISPs are going through a big DNS upgrade due to a massive, very serious flaw with DNS.  Also, as this flaw is now public, the script kiddies are hammering every DNS server out there, so the wise ISPs have spent the last 3 months throwing in more DNS capacity - only the big ones can afford to do this.