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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Varche on 14 September 2018, 23:10:32
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The front tyres on our new but secondhand car had five to ten k miles left on them. During the periodic service I asked them to put it upon a ramp. Had a good look around underneath and was pleased with how it looks BUT spotted a two inch crack on the inner edge of front tyre tread. Didnt like the look of it and went to Euromaster over the road. Only open for another hour and Iam an hour anda half from home. They agreed crack not good and caused by none rotation of tyres front to rear. That is a new one on me . I have usually rotated tyres myself purely because all the cars Ihave had seem to wear front tyres more. Weight, steering, tracking, wishbones.
Anyway google results suggest rotating maybe every six thousand miles! Anyone on here do that? Anyone heard of tyres developing a rotational direction crack from not rotating wheels?
So I came away with two new Pirelli zero nero hero 2000 gti rs 94 tyres for 200 euros. Quite happy as should last me 50 k miles. WRONG. Punctured sidewall today on a rock. Thank god for compulsary recovery (no spare wheel and the glue kit would have hada job with a hole a golf ball would pass through) Third time in three months. Firstwas alternator failure on othercar, then battery failed (warranty thank god) . Driver has become a good friend!
So another 100 euros gone.
Might get a spacesaver spare wheel and kit off ebay.
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The idea of no spare and a bottle of gunge is a total cr@p idea. Not had much luck car wise lately senor. :-*
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First thing I do when I change my car is to buy a space saver.
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First thing I do when I change my car is to buy a space saver.
Well you and I are old enough to remember the days when 'the spare tyre' was not classed as an optional extra. :-\
Ah..well. I suppose being stuck on the hard should of the M6 with the rain pissing down and a can of f*ucking useless foam is progress.
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Commiserations Senor! :(
It's a complete pisser wrecking a good tyre like that. ::)
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Good nights sleep and I am over the tyre.
What do folk with newer cars do regarding rotating tyres? Does none rotation really cause cracks along direction of ture rotation?!
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Good nights sleep and I am over the tyre.
What do folk with newer cars do regarding rotating tyres? Does none rotation really cause cracks along direction of ture rotation?!
Tyre rotation? No.
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A lot of people used to swap tyres front to rear as a matter of course to even out tyre wear and eke out a few more miles from them,don't think many bother these days though and on some cars[such as TBs or Optis Jags?]you can't do that anyway as the rears are different sizes to the fronts.Never heard of or personally had a problem with tyres due to not swapping them around,but perhaps it's possible.
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A lot of people used to swap tyres front to rear as a matter of course to even out tyre wear and eke out a few more miles from them,don't think many bother these days though and on some cars[such as TBs or Optis Jags?]you can't do that anyway as the rears are different sizes to the fronts.Never heard of or personally had a problem with tyres due to not swapping them around,but perhaps it's possible.
Yes.....rears are 30MM wider at 285MM
I'm pretty sure the space saver spare is only good for a rear wheel puncture because of the size of the front brakes.
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I haven't rotated tyres for some years, but found this interesting: https://www.blackcircles.com/general/tyre-rotation
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The idea is to wear them out within 4.5yrs, before they hit their 5yr life.
On a FWD car, this may mean swapping fronts to back.... ….but then all OOFers are clever enough to put the better (newer) tyres on the rear anyway (where possible, which isn't for those stupid cars with different sizes at the back).
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First thing I do when I change my car is to buy a space saver.
First thing I did when I bought the wife a BINI was buy a full size spare. Fills the boot lovely, much to her disgust. Daughter now has the BINI and takes the wheel out unless she's going more than 40 miles (RAC would bring her home if a tyre was knackered. ?)
First thing I did when I bought the wife a JUKE was buy a full size spare. There's a false boot floor, with a massive plastic tray. That's gone and the spare has plenty of room.
When I had the Cavalier I had 2 spares in the boot. Just because.
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If you're talking about the direction of rotation (ie swapping one side to toher) that's a no-no because a lot of tyres are directional and, if not, if the rotation direction has caused the tread to feather in one direction, it would probably cause "unpredictable results"tm if you suddenly swapped it to the other way.
As to rotating front to back, it can even out wear but as to whether it's worth it, I'm not sure. I usually make sure new tyres go on the front of my Omega because new tyres tramline less.
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If replacing tyres in pairs on a 2wd car the newer and therefore grippier tyres should always go on the undriven axle so that the drive wheels cannot overpower the undriven ones.
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If you're talking about the direction of rotation (ie swapping one side to toher) that's a no-no because a lot of tyres are directional and, if not, if the rotation direction has caused the tread to feather in one direction, it would probably cause "unpredictable results"tm if you suddenly swapped it to the other way.
As to rotating front to back, it can even out wear but as to whether it's worth it, I'm not sure. I usually make sure new tyres go on the front of my Omega because new tyres tramline less.
The Blackcircles advice was quite clear on this, on FWD, tyres go from rears to front opposite side UNLESS directional. :y
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I took the front wheel off a couple of weeks ago to check out an unwanted rattle, which was easy enough. But. getting it back on was another matter. With wheel studs you could hang the wheel on them and then fit the nuts, but i found that with the bolts, aligning the wheel and bolt holes was a right PITA. Perhaps i,m not as strong as i used to be or am i missing "the knack". Anyone else have this problem? Managed to hang the wheel on the lip on the hub and carefully inch it round till it lined up. :-[
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you can but a stud that screws in to "hang" the wheel on while you stick a couple of bolts in,then remove it ,if it is a problem to you ;)
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you can but a stud that screws in to "hang" the wheel on while you stick a couple of bolts in,then remove it ,if it is a problem to you ;)
Yes, they're well worth having:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/vw6qvdmt9g2kjd5/WheelFittingStud.jpg?dl=1)
I've made several like this, but don't seem able to keep them.
They're also standard fit in certain Peugeot and Audi toolkits
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you can but a stud that screws in to "hang" the wheel on while you stick a couple of bolts in,then remove it ,if it is a problem to you ;)
Yes, they're well worth having:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/vw6qvdmt9g2kjd5/WheelFittingStud.jpg?dl=1)
I've made several like this, but don't seem able to keep them.
They're also standard fit in certain Peugeot and Audi toolkits
Thanks Dave and Nick, that would have been a great help. :y If i was still working, (retired now but was a centre lathe turner) i could have knocked on up in no time. Are they available commercially?
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Yup, standard part of Merc S Class tool kit since the '70s :y
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If replacing tyres in pairs on a 2wd car the newer and therefore grippier tyres should always go on the undriven axle so that the drive wheels cannot overpower the undriven ones.
No, it should always go on the rear, irrespective of driven wheels or AWD, *UNLESS* the manufacturer specifies otherwise.
Not doing so, you have to be conscious of the handling implications of not doing so.
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Most awd cars demand that all four tyres are changed at the same time ;)
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Most awd cars demand that all four tyres are changed at the same time ;)
Yup, as specified by the manufacturer. Though not all.
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Anything with a proper center diff should not have an issue
Rubber bands or viscous couplings get quite upset when the tyres are all at different states of wear...