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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Varche on 27 December 2018, 20:17:05
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Seems this is really gaining in popularity since Germany has overcome its reticence to arm up.
There is an interesting interview with outgoing and incoming German Foreign Ministers on Euronews . Also an item on Bbc website on how Germany is ramping up military spending. Theyhadan embarrassment when Merkels aging military plane broke down on way to recent G20.
Be interesting to see how it deals with the threat from Russia, from fundamentalism in Middle East and other issues nearby. It will also be interesting if a diss’ed post Brexit Britain will be expectied to contribute.
Shame many EU countries failed to step up to the mark with NATO spend.It is regretable that the US is pulling back from every conflict.
What will the UK role be in the future.? Where is the threat going to come from? Russian fleet coimg out of the Baltic or Murmansk?
I am thinking ISIS or similar terrorist attacks is still a big issue. Lets hope post Brexit the two way co op continues. Cressida Dick fears otherwise.
European Army? Good thing or bad thing? What next for NATO?
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anyone seen Rods?
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Seems this is really gaining in popularity since Germany has overcome its reticence to arm up.
There is an interesting interview with outgoing and incoming German Foreign Ministers on Euronews . Also an item on Bbc website on how Germany is ramping up military spending. Theyhadan embarrassment when Merkels aging military plane broke down on way to recent G20.
Be interesting to see how it deals with the threat from Russia, from fundamentalism in Middle East and other issues nearby. It will also be interesting if a diss’ed post Brexit Britain will be expectied to contribute.
Shame many EU countries failed to step up to the mark with NATO spend.It is regretable that the US is pulling back from every conflict.
What will the UK role be in the future.? Where is the threat going to come from? Russian fleet coimg out of the Baltic or Murmansk?
I am thinking ISIS or similar terrorist attacks is still a big issue. Lets hope post Brexit the two way co op continues. Cressida Dick fears otherwise.
European Army? Good thing or bad thing? What next for NATO?
Ask our defence secretary. Oh wait, don't, the gormless t**t hasn't got a clue what he's talking about. He gives Vladimir a good laugh though.
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While we are waiting for the erstwhile Rods, did anyone see Vlads missiles.? No way of shooting them down he claims Gulp.
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It will also be interesting if a diss’ed post Brexit Britain will be expectied to contribute.
Contribute? If that's what you call "Roll over and be invaded"..
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Biggest threat to UK defense is May's deal where our armed forces control & equipment purchases are handed over to the EU and it will at best restrict out roll in the planets most successful intelligence gathering, the 5-eyes system, as we will be forced to share this with all EU countries some of whom will pass it on to our enemies. France, Greece and the Balkan countries have particularly bad records on this where they are happy for the secrets travel to a common north-eastern European enemy. As usual with all state propaganda Dick's warning on weakened defense is actually the better safer option (where it won't affect our 5-eyes membership) than May's treason. May's propaganda on Brexit is like Russian, the reverse of the truth: So large is small, white is black & lies are the truth or vice versa. So 1984 has arrived.
Several American's I've spoken to are embarrassed with Trump constant lying and zero state craft and I feel the same about serial liar May and the effect is is having on our global standing. Yes Western politicians lie, but they don't normally do it on the industrial scale and level of the Kremlin and 3rd world banana republics. This is what happens when they are both hiding & selling their hidden agendas at the same time. Trump where he is a mobster & being POTUS is a new personal money making opportunity, despite their emolument laws and with Remainer May & her grey suits by locking us into the EU forever while pretending to leave. >:( >:( >:(
The biggest threat to the West and our way of life is what I call the current Axis of Evil: China, Russia, Iran & DPRK. If the West doesn't start taking their Cold War 2.0 actions seriously and pushing back against their cyber warfare then by default, when you don't defend an attack you lose and then a cold war, as a last ditch survival tactic, changes to a hot one. I keep telling people the very worst situation you can be is in the middle of a hot war like Syria or Ukraine and the second worst is living under a ruthless dictatorship and their regime, where everything you possess is leased from the state, including your life and any of the leases can be terminated at anytime with no right of appeal. Don't let it happen to you.
The 5-eyes system already has issues with intelligence sharing restrictions to the US where they have a Russian owned POTUS who has passed on intelligence to his Kremlin boss and his agents. Expect this to form part of his 2019 downfall along with singing canary General Michael Flynn who has cut a deal with Special Investigator Bobby 'three sticks' Mueller. In the US this is still a capital crime.
Before Treason May's sellout we have rightly resisted a Euro Army as a French driven duplication & undermining of NATO. The issue as usual since 1991 is not the colour of the badges and shoulder spaghetti but the colour of the money as inadequate European defense spending will only change marginally and be more than absorbed by the increased duplication costs. The only serious EU military forces in Europe are the UK, France, followed by the UK and France. Honourable mentions are for Poland (as they nervously look East & rapidly increase their defense spending), Greece (due to Turkey) and the three too small to really matter Baltic countries. Germany is currently one of the worst in terms of GDP spending and use due to a shortage of weapons black painted broom sticks as small arms substitutes on German army exercises. Several European NATO countries (not the UK) have been rumoured to struggle to maintain small numbers of serviceable aircraft and weapons for them as part of the US lead consortium in Afghanistan.
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Little wonder it took Mr Rods so long to reply.....
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Iran doesn't have a pot to piss in... Not sure how it can be a threat to anyone but itself :-\
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Iran doesn't have a pot to piss in... Not sure how it can be a threat to anyone but itself :-\
cobbled together countries with money, like Saudi Arabia are a much bigger threat.
I wonder how long North Korea can stay separate from the south.
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Iran is a major source of forces in the Middle East and terrorist training for ISIS and the Taliban in Afghanistan. It is Iranian designs of IEDs and training that have caused so many casualties to Western forces in Afghanistan. >:( >:( >:(
Iranian forces in Syria:
https://www.idf.il/en/minisites/facts-and-figures/iran-in-syria/iranian-forces-deployed-in-syria/ (https://www.idf.il/en/minisites/facts-and-figures/iran-in-syria/iranian-forces-deployed-in-syria/)
Iranian forces in Iraq:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_Iraq_(2014%E2%80%93present) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_intervention_in_Iraq_(2014%E2%80%93present))
Iranian support of the Taliban:
https://thediplomat.com/2018/11/managed-instability-iran-the-taliban-and-afghanistan/ (https://thediplomat.com/2018/11/managed-instability-iran-the-taliban-and-afghanistan/)
Iranian support & weapons for Yemen Houthis:
https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/arab-coalition-lays-bare-iranian-support-for-houthis-in-yemen-1.742032 (https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/arab-coalition-lays-bare-iranian-support-for-houthis-in-yemen-1.742032)
This includes the firing of over 100 ballistic missiles on Saudi Arabia from Yemen. Saudi Arabian Muslims are predominately Sunni and Iran are predominantly Shia. The Sunni & Shia Muslims hate each other, their versions are incompatible and both want to eliminate each other, which is why you have a fundamental conflict between Russian supported Iran and Western supported Saudi Arabia with both sides selling very large quantities arms to their supported side. Russia has also covertly for many years sold nuclear material through the mafia boss of bosses Ukrainian Semion Mogilevich. What could possibly go wrong?
Not sure that I totally agree with the Council on Foreign Relations president and author of "A World In Disarray" view, but it is certainly an area on instability and a possibility and with Israel are making noises again about Hezbollah on their border in Syria and their frequent rocket attacks on them and upping their attacks further in Syria along with threatening a land invasion to remove them, you can see why a 2019 war is a possibility.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/12/27/richard_haass_iran_is_the_most_likely_setting_for_a_major_new_war_in_2019.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/12/27/richard_haass_iran_is_the_most_likely_setting_for_a_major_new_war_in_2019.html)
Talking about major wars in 2019, you can't rule out a major Russian escalation in Ukraine where proactive citizens have cut off the main water canal to Russian Occupied Crimea thus creating a drought and Putin is very angry at Ukraine leaving the Russian Orthodox church with the Greek Orthodox Council approving the new Ukrainian one, which officially comes into being on 6th January 2019. There has been a major Russian armoured buildup on the Ukrainian border since late August, which continued last week with a buildup of aircraft and helicopters in Crimea. :( :( :(
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The EU need an EU Army to protect the Irish Border after weve gone Hard No Deal Brexit, because I very much doubt we'll be doing it. ???
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The EU need an EU Army to protect the Irish Border after weve gone Hard No Deal Brexit, because I very much doubt we'll be doing it. ???
The EU will put one up to stop us getting out, not Paddy getting in.
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The EU need an EU Army to protect the Irish Border after weve gone Hard No Deal Brexit, because I very much doubt we'll be doing it. ???
The EU will put one up to stop us getting out, not Paddy getting in.
That is the requirement for an EU hard border....
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Yet Switzerland has a border with 5 EU countries and not so much as a thought or mention of a hard border anywhere near Switzerland. ::)
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...the US where they have a Russian owned POTUS who has passed on intelligence to his Kremlin boss and his agents.
Your Trump Derangement Syndrome has truly taken hold. Pure nonsense. ::)
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...the US where they have a Russian owned POTUS who has passed on intelligence to his Kremlin boss and his agents.
Your Trump Derangement Syndrome has truly taken hold. Pure nonsense. ::)
Read the link where this is the most well known, but not the only one where Donald Trump has given his boss, Putin classified information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%27s_disclosures_of_classified_information (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%27s_disclosures_of_classified_information)
Carry on looking very foolish with your uninformed opinions.
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...the US where they have a Russian owned POTUS who has passed on intelligence to his Kremlin boss and his agents.
Your Trump Derangement Syndrome has truly taken hold. Pure nonsense. ::)
Read the link where this is the most well known, but not the only one where Donald Trump has given his boss, Putin classified information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%27s_disclosures_of_classified_information (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%27s_disclosures_of_classified_information)
Carry on looking very foolish with your uninformed opinions.
Come on Rod, stop using Wilipedia to reference. That is not a reliable source of primary information that is recognised in the academic world. If you keep on reading and quoting pieces of bullshit from that site you will believe anything, as I think you do, such as Trump being a Ruskie in disguise in the White House!
His boss is NOT Putin for goodness sake. His boss is the American electorate no matter how much you hate him and want to publish stupid personal comments, as you also do about Putin, like some deranged journalist!! ::) ::)
When you quote from truly informed sources then you can accuse others of having "uninformed" / ill informed opinions :(
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...the US where they have a Russian owned POTUS who has passed on intelligence to his Kremlin boss and his agents.
Your Trump Derangement Syndrome has truly taken hold. Pure nonsense. ::)
Read the link where this is the most well known, but not the only one where Donald Trump has given his boss, Putin classified information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%27s_disclosures_of_classified_information (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%27s_disclosures_of_classified_information)
Carry on looking very foolish with your uninformed opinions.
Wikipedia??? ROFL. ::) ::)
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It really should be termed the EU Military as it's not just the armies of the EU that they want amalgamate, but the navies and air forces as well! ;)
They are telling us that it is necessary to spend billions of tax Euros on the establishment of an EU military command structure (basically replicating NATO) for the defence and security of Europe, but it has been proved 3 times in the last hundred years that we cannot defend Europe from each other, or from a large external threat like the USSR without the help of the USA.
NATO has done a great job in the last 70 years, so why do anything to jeopardise that? ???
Firstly, they say that Trump is threatening to pull out of NATO so we cannot rely on the US, but Trump is only going to be around for another 6 years max. Maybe less, maybe a lot less! ::) Trump's bluster is more about getting European countries to spend more on defence, than any serious threat to walk away. You have to keep that threat to walk away though right? ::) ;)
Secondly, amalgamating the armies. navies and air forces of the EU into one force, with a single command structure controlled by the EU then gives the EU the ability to project hard power..... in the EU's name.
And this is what it is really all about IMO. ;)
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And France is going to let politicians in Brussels tell it what it can/can't do with it's nukes. Right?
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And France is going to let politicians in Brussels tell it what it can/can't do with it's nukes. Right?
Yes they will. The amalgamation of the militaries of the EU countries is another step towards complete integration and the French are one of the main drivers of the 'Political Project'. ;)
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But of course we all know that in the end, the Germans call the shots in the EU, so they will finally succeed in dominating Europe without firing a shot. France wont mind as long as they are a close second to the Germans in power and influence.
If Russia ever gets really serious about attacking Europe they will all shit themselves again and phone the Whitehouse though. ;D
As long as we stay out of it, I don't give a flying fark what happens to them. Serves them right for being power crazy. :)
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I cannot see the Brexit outcome being such that “ we can let them get on with it”
Things like co operation on security from cross border criminals to solidaity on defence. There will have to be a relationship between EU army, UK and the USA.
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I cannot see the Brexit outcome being such that “ we can let them get on with it”
Things like co operation on security from cross border criminals to solidaity on defence. There will have to be a relationship between EU army, UK and the USA.
The military side of things can and should be done through the auspices of NATO, but the MOD have been quietly signing the UK up to PESCO as a third country. This will not only mean our armed forces are under the control of the EU in certain circumstances, but the MOD might have to abide by EU laws on procurement. This might mean that the design and construction of future Royal Navy ships for example have to be put out to tender across the EU, and that those ships are more likely to be built in Gdansk than Rosyth. ::)
As to cooperation in police matters, you'd think that the EU would be looking at ways in which to cooperate further with responsible third countries who are allies, rather than withdrawing access to databases etc. It just shows what a petty inward looking organisation the EU is! >:(
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I have been quite shocked by the petty but ruthless EU approach .it will have been missed by most folk.
Had to smile with the UK government procuring services of three ferry companies to smooth over a no deal . Two are Europeancompanies and the third is British but doesnt have any actual ferries ( yet).
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I have been quite shocked by the petty but ruthless EU approach .it will have been missed by most folk.
Had to smile with the UK government procuring services of three ferry companies to smooth over a no deal . Two are Europeancompanies and the third is British but doesnt have any actual ferries ( yet).
they're going to wait for the next boat load of migrants and steal that. Although they will have to wait for one small enough to fit into Ramsgate.
Ramsgate for oppss sake: 5 cars and a bicycle per trip is really going to ease the strain on Dover.
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I have been quite shocked by the petty but ruthless EU approach .it will have been missed by most folk.
Had to smile with the UK government procuring services of three ferry companies to smooth over a no deal . Two are Europeancompanies and the third is British but doesnt have any actual ferries ( yet).
This has obviously been done within great British tradition of "That'll be alright.... " ;D
Although Seaborne Freight obviously has a great sales team! :y
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I have been quite shocked by the petty but ruthless EU approach .it will have been missed by most folk.
Had to smile with the UK government procuring services of three ferry companies to smooth over a no deal . Two are Europeancompanies and the third is British but doesnt have any actual ferries ( yet).
This has obviously been done within great British tradition of "That'll be alright.... " ;D
Although Seaborne Freight obviously has a great sales team! :y big stash of blackmail material
FTFY