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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Webby the Bear on 20 February 2019, 20:30:17
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So kids.
A friend of mine was helping a friend of his to pull an engine/gearbox out of something or other. The friend of my friend had a barn full of old dogs.
One of the dogs........ was an automatic K reg. Senator with the 3.0L.
My initial reaction was “I love it but wifey won’t let me”. To my utter surprise she simply said “why not do it up on our drive” 😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧
I don’t think I can pass this up. So currently texting the guy. Only photos show the Bonnet has some bad lacquer peeling and I’m told it doesn’t run and it needs a fuel pump. Easy to do?
Any info before I devote myself to this? 😂😂😂
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You know it makes sense... 8)
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Better renew my ABS membership 😂😂😂
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the "in tank pumps" had a crap electrical connection plug that often got diagnosed as a bad pump, bridge the fuel pump relay (driver footwell behind the panel right of the go pedal) and give the pump connector a wiggle :y
fuel pump relay was a common problem too ;)
probably wise to check it all over before buying ,as ,like it's off-spring the omega , sennys and carltons did suffer tinworm :P
Good luck ,hope it pans out for you :y
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Oh, is it a 24 valve ? 8)……………..if it isn't as rotten as a pear, then you've just got yourself a cracking car young bear. :y
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Go for it ..... :y :y :y
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My first thought was that The Bear had knocked up Mrs Bear and that he had posted in the wrong section! ::)
Then I thought he'd rescued an old sheepdog from a one way trip to the vet. :-\
It turns out that he's thinking of buying an old car. :)
Anyone would think that this is a car forum! ;D
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Thanks boys and thanks DTB for the fuel pump info.
I see a Haynes manual online. I’d better buy it 😂
I plan on getting it as cheap as I can. And then recovered to mine where I’ll give it a good inspection. If it’s too rotten I’ve only wasted a small amount of dough and I can get rid.
But. If it’s a good un it’ll be a great project and one day I’ll be the main man in the ABS tent 😂😂😂😂😂
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My first thought was that The Bear had knocked up Mrs Bear and that he had posted in the wrong section! ::)
Then I thought he'd rescued an old sheepdog from a one way trip to the vet. :-\
It turns out that he's thinking of buying an old car. :)
Anyone would think that this is a car forum! ;D
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Great cars the 24v had two Carlton’s and 1 Senator loved them all but the Senator is special a lovely car’.
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Oh, is it a 24 valve ? 8)……………..if it isn't as rotten as a pear, then you've just got yourself a cracking car young bear. :y
I assumed the 3.0 was 24 valve? See how much I have to learn 😂😂
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Both my 3L Senator Bs were 12 valve,but possibly the last ones were only available with the 24v engine? In your position if the price is right I'd go for it.I still believe the Senator to be a superior car to the Omega,unfortunately I can't afford one when they come up for sale :'(
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Oh, is it a 24 valve ? 8)……………..if it isn't as rotten as a pear, then you've just got yourself a cracking car young bear. :y
I assumed the 3.0 was 24 valve? See how much I have to learn 😂😂
24 valve are dual ram and have 24 valve in red right at the front of the engine.
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If rear arches are rotten you will only find an over priced set from MM Opel parts that fit as well as a sock on a mans nose. best then to loo for an alternative arch
Sills are readily available, as are wings and doors. Front doors same as Carltons
Most mechs same as Carltons
If 24V and been stood for a long time with water in it, you will do a head gasket.
12v bullet proof
2.6 is rare
2.5 is early and also rare
manuals usually ex plod but not always
Lots of spares with me if required ;D :y
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Whats the reg number Webby,a look up will give all the details then :y
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Whats the reg number Webby,a look up will give all the details then :y
If he buys that, the reg should read BE11 END. ;D
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Whats the reg number Webby,a look up will give all the details then :y
If he buys that, the reg should read BE11 END. ;D
;D ;D
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Think hoof'land has some headlight lenses.
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K should be 24v, I loved mine. Really nice engine to work on, great character, 4K rpm surge always brought a smile.
Good luck with it :y
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Ok boys. Senator recruitment hasn’t gone well 😢😢😢
So I found out more about it today...... it’s rotten to f**k 😩😩😩😩
I found out reason is that even though it’s been in a barn for two years....prior to that it was sat in a field for four years 😬😬😬😬😬😬😩😩😩😩
HOWEVER. it has had me looking looooooads at Senators. And even though they’re relatively few and far between there are a few really really decent ones for sale. Max. price I’ve seen is 4K but a couple for between 1.5 and 2k. This is definitely something I want. But I’ll probably have to save up. But that’s easier than spending years getting it to that point. What do you think?
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Here you go, young bear.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/albums/72157656408469014 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/albums/72157656408469014)
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£25400 in 1990.... :o :o :o :o
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£25400 in 1990.... :o :o :o :o
Yes, well overpriced. A bit like that other Vauxhall model that came out a bit later.
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£25400 in 1990.... :o :o :o :o
Yes, well overpriced. A bit like that other Vauxhall model that came out a bit later.
If memory serves the Lotus Carlton was close to £50000 around the same time. ::)
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I still have the 3 n/s windows for a Senator B and a set of dash clocks for a senator A2 in the shed,kept because they might come in handy for something one day ??? :D
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By the time you've saved up, you'll have knocked up Mrs Bear and will have to get a Mumbus instead! :P :D ;D
Get a 3.2 now and enjoy that until you need the Mumbus! ;) :y
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£25400 in 1990.... :o :o :o :o
We paid that for our first house the year before. :o
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I have a bonnet for one too, but haven’t looked at it for 10 years so don’t know what it’s like. Bit like Schrödinger's cat really. :)
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Yep, if its full of rot walk away. It will cost you more than you've got to get it put right.
I had two of them which ended up rotten, and had to send them to the scrappy. It broke my heart as they were great cars, but it had to be done.
A nice 3.2 elite will keep you just as happy without costing more than a mortage to fix up.
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There is a faceache site for Senator and Monza owners. Cars pop up there every so often
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This was mine:
https://imgur.com/gallery/AMWDCEz (https://imgur.com/gallery/AMWDCEz)
Took it around Europe, cracking car. If 3.2 expired I would consider one if I could find one!
Webby, you must source a 24v one. Most will be rotten, so either learn how to weld or know someone who does.
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The 12 valve Senators had a duplex chain turning the camshafts and were said to be very reliable. The 24 valvers had a single chain which could fail, though none of mine did. I had many 24 valve ex-police manual Senators, loved them all, drove them all over Europe. One blew a head gasket in Germany, but I managed to limp it home.
The distributor located near the front honeycomb grille made it prone to to starting trouble if left outside in the rain. The Omega is much better in this respect. They were very fast, I suspect faster than the V6 Omegas which I took abroad as well.
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I have a bonnet for one too, but haven’t looked at it for 10 years so don’t know what it’s like. Bit like Schrödinger's cat really. :)
Being 'fick' I had to Google this.
Interesting if brain-bending stuff. :)
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This was mine:
https://imgur.com/gallery/AMWDCEz (https://imgur.com/gallery/AMWDCEz)
Took it around Europe, cracking car. If 3.2 expired I would consider one if I could find one!
Webby, you must source a 24v one. Most will be rotten, so either learn how to weld or know someone who does.
Like all Vauxhalls (and Fords) of a certain age, you couldn't treat it like you do your 3.2, as you'll be sweeping most of it off your driveway every week.
They are old cars now, and need to be treated like a classic car - garaged, cleaned (properly, not just a jet wash on the top every few months), and loved.
When they were launched, I really wanted one, but couldn't afford one. I test drove one (because I had a mate at the dealer), and thought it was epic. I drove yours, and that's when the reality of the amount of progress there had been in the intervening years.
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Like all Vauxhalls (and Fords) of a certain age, you couldn't treat it like you do your 3.2, as you'll be sweeping most of it off your driveway every week.
They are old cars now, and need to be treated like a classic car - garaged, cleaned (properly, not just a jet wash on the top every few months), and loved.
No, that's the way to treat a car as a project, because you will always have something to fix/weld up/dry out/replace etc. And you'll never do any of those when all you use it for is a run out for Sunday lunch.
The best way of owning a classic car is to use it. A lot. Everyday is best, because then you won't put up with an reliability issues. But to do this, you need to obtain one that isn't too rotten, properly fix what is, and then work your way through the mechanical issues. Senators and their like are new enough that they drive enough like a recent car that you can live with their few deficiencies(which tend to be things like poorer heaters, lack of demisting screens etc).
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I agree with the regular use :). But it still needs to be coveted, to stop it blowing away in the breeze.
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I have a bonnet for one too, but haven’t looked at it for 10 years so don’t know what it’s like. Bit like Schrödinger's cat really. :)
Being 'fick' I had to Google this.
Interesting if brain-bending stuff. :)
oh yes, not that I’m a professor or anything, but I’ve read that book twice, and learned a lot, but to appreciate it fully I’m afraid it needs a fair bit more than I’ve got in my head :D
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I’m no professor but I learned a lot from that book I read it twice, but I’m afraid there’s not enough power in my head to appreciate it fully. There is another book published after that one called Schrödinger's kittens..... I give up on that one :-[
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As I've said before here, anybody how thinks they are beginning to grasp quantum physics, simply hasn't understood quantum physics.
For some completely bizarre reason, I seemed to have developed a strange interest in it, much to the annoyance of Mrs TB, as when any OU or Horizon comes on about it, I have to watch it, because I really want to understand it, but know I never will.
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I don't use rinse aid or salt and my diswasher has never had a cleaner run through it. Decided to have a look in the filter the other day....spotless! I put it down to the fact that I rinse all the heavy crap off the dishes under the tap before I put them in.
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I don't use rinse aid or salt and my diswasher has never had a cleaner run through it. Decided to have a look in the filter the other day....spotless! I put it down to the fact that I rinse all the heavy crap off the dishes under the tap before I put them in.
You seem very domesticated. ::)
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I don't use rinse aid or salt and my diswasher has never had a cleaner run through it. Decided to have a look in the filter the other day....spotless! I put it down to the fact that I rinse all the heavy crap off the dishes under the tap before I put them in.
I do use salt (hard water area) and rinse aid (else it dulls the glasses), and don't rinse anything first. Nor do I rinse car parts first.
It does get the occasional cleaner through it, when Costco are flogging 'em cheap. Also, the most used programme is the most powerful, least efficient. None of this >3hr eco tosh.
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I don't use rinse aid or salt and my diswasher has never had a cleaner run through it. Decided to have a look in the filter the other day....spotless! I put it down to the fact that I rinse all the heavy crap off the dishes under the tap before I put them in.
I do use salt (hard water area) and rinse aid (else it dulls the glasses), and don't rinse anything first. Nor do I rinse car parts first.
It does get the occasional cleaner through it, when Costco are flogging 'em cheap. Also, the most used programme is the most powerful, least efficient. None of this >3hr eco tosh.
Yes. The eco cycle on the dishwasher is about 3hrs 10 mins, and on the washing machine is nearly 4 hours. Life's too short ;D
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I don't use rinse aid or salt and my diswasher has never had a cleaner run through it. Decided to have a look in the filter the other day....spotless! I put it down to the fact that I rinse all the heavy crap off the dishes under the tap before I put them in.
I do use salt (hard water area) and rinse aid (else it dulls the glasses), and don't rinse anything first. Nor do I rinse car parts first.
It does get the occasional cleaner through it, when Costco are flogging 'em cheap. Also, the most used programme is the most powerful, least efficient. None of this >3hr eco tosh.
Yes. The eco cycle on the dishwasher is about 3hrs 10 mins, and on the washing machine is nearly 4 hours. Life's too short ;D
That machine is just too difficult for me, so I leave it alone. I'm just the stupid kid from the local comprehensive, remember.
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ive had 3 senni in my time a 3 litre 12v manual a 2.5 auto and a 24v auto love them to bits go on do it. :)
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Love a nice dish wash in the sink, do one now and again to clean my nails :D ;D
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Trying to get some pics of it but this has left me definitely definitely wanting one. But thinking about it I’d rather save up the money for a runner with a clean body... or as clean as possible
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The three I owned I had to scrap or repair due to excessive rust but done a quarter of a million of miles each! Sorry to see them all go and that’s why I’ve bought the most powerful of the Omega’s however if I had a choice to race in it would be the Senator unless there was a lotus Carlton about! Or the ‘lotus Senator’. I want it!
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I'm afraid tin worm had a head start and beat you at that race ;D
there will be a few enthusiast owned cars ,wrapped in heated cotton wool ,only allowed out on the days it reaches 50 degrees C and zero chance of rain .
they don't tend to sell them though ;D
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My initial reaction was “I love it but wifey won’t let me”. To my utter surprise she simply said “why not do it up on our drive”
My initial reaction is "Its a trap. Run for the hills. What is it she wants?" Sounds to me like you're walking in to the biggest ambush since the Alamo.
Cynic? Me? Yep.
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My initial reaction was “I love it but wifey won’t let me”. To my utter surprise she simply said “why not do it up on our drive”
My initial reaction is "Its a trap. Run for the hills. What is it she wants?" Sounds to me like you're walking in to the biggest ambush since the Alamo.
Cynic? Me? Yep.
Yep. In his excitement he missed the next sentence "You can make a start when you've fitted the new kitchen, decorated the house, landscaped the garden...". ;D
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Well I let you have the car so...........
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In my house the response is usually "You can buy one after you buy me a ring" ;D
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In my house the response is usually "You can buy one after you buy me a ring" ;D
.. and I'm guessing she doesn't mean doughnut? :-\
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In my house the response is usually "You can buy one after you buy me a ring" ;D
Reminds me of a girl I know... ::)
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My initial reaction was “I love it but wifey won’t let me”. To my utter surprise she simply said “why not do it up on our drive”
My initial reaction is "Its a trap. Run for the hills. What is it she wants?" Sounds to me like you're walking in to the biggest ambush since the Alamo.
Cynic? Me? Yep.
Yep. In his excitement he missed the next sentence "You can make a start when you've fitted the new kitchen, decorated the house, landscaped the garden...". ;D
"and when you've done all that we'll know whether you paint the nursery blue or pink........"
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My initial reaction was “I love it but wifey won’t let me”. To my utter surprise she simply said “why not do it up on our drive”
My initial reaction is "Its a trap. Run for the hills. What is it she wants?" Sounds to me like you're walking in to the biggest ambush since the Alamo.
Cynic? Me? Yep.
Yep. In his excitement he missed the next sentence "You can make a start when you've fitted the new kitchen, decorated the house, landscaped the garden...". ;D
"and when you've done all that we'll know whether you paint the nursery blue or pink........"
"...and Mother said she's always wanted to be a bit closer, and, well, that spare room is doing nothing"
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Oooh ouch - that is NASTY!!! :o :o :o
Ron.
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Something I have just found that the Europeans have been doing on Senators with rusty rear archesis to cut out the arch of a front wing and use that. Lots of them about
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Something I have just found that the Europeans have been doing on Senators with rusty rear archesis to cut out the arch of a front wing and use that. Lots of them about
did that to my Sunbeam nearly 30 years ago.
When we were working on a Dart, another friend suggested we buy 'universal wheelarch panels'. He meant Transit ones - he'd used them on every American car that needed arch repairs