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Anyone got a view on how the trade deal with our European friends is going to pan out?
Free trade like we have now? It would make sense especially for Germany and Spain. Similarly for Ireland. It will keep things sweet.
However surely there will be caveats to cover scenarios like products Britain creates in the future cheaper as a result of trade deals struck elsewhere. A couple of poor made up examples:
Cars made with cheap but quality Chinese steel.
Chicken pies made with cheap chlorine washed chicken from our USA friends.
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Both of those already happen ;)
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Quite possibly but I should have said then sold on to an EU country that uses more expensive steel or more expensive chicken because of their trade rules.
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Quite possibly but I should have said then sold on to an EU country that uses more expensive steel or more expensive chicken because of their trade rules.
European countries are allowed to buy Chinese steel and US chicken meat. Obviously not with a tariff free arrangement, but they won't be able to do that through the UK either without paying tariffs.
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Anyone got a view on how the trade deal with our European friends is going to pan out?
Free trade like we have now? It would make sense especially for Germany and Spain. Similarly for Ireland. It will keep things sweet.
I skeptical that we'd get free trade without free movement of people. Historically, the four freedoms (movement of goods, services, capital and people) have always been linked, it's a central EU philosophy and one I can't see them moving on just for us. But I have been wrong before....
Doubtless someone will be along in a minute to explain that it will all be fine and I should stop talking the UK down. :)
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Well... It can't be any worse than Gordon Brown's legacy... ::)
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Anyone got a view on how the trade deal with our European friends is going to pan out?
Free trade like we have now? It would make sense especially for Germany and Spain. Similarly for Ireland. It will keep things sweet.
I skeptical that we'd get free trade without free movement of people. Historically, the four freedoms (movement of goods, services, capital and people) have always been linked, it's a central EU philosophy and one I can't see them moving on just for us. But I have been wrong before....
Doubtless someone will be along in a minute to explain that it will all be fine and I should stop talking the UK down. :)
All the other countries around the world who trade with them don't have to accept their four freedoms, so why should we ?
The four freedoms are for member states. We wont be one after next month.
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Which is nice... :D
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Manfred Weber MEP the leader of the European Peoples Party which is the largest group in the EU Parliament said yesterday that the EPP will vote against any deal with the UK that dosn't require the UK to follow the rules of the Single Market. So they will still try to retain control over our economy and it will be interesting to see how that pans out over the next 12 months! ::)
Talking of the EPP, Donald Tusk was elected (EU style as there were no other candidates) as their new president the other day, which is nice for him.... :)
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Manfred Weber MEP the leader of the European Peoples Party which is the largest group in the EU Parliament said yesterday that the EPP will vote against any deal with the UK that dosn't require the UK to follow the rules of the Single Market. So they will still try to retain control over our economy and it will be interesting to see how that pans out over the next 12 months! ::)
Talking of the EPP, Donald Tusk was elected (EU style as there were no other candidates) as their new president the other day, which is nice for him.... :)
I hope they do vote against it, then we're off with no deal. :)
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Manfred Weber MEP the leader of the European Peoples Party which is the largest group in the EU Parliament said yesterday that the EPP will vote against any deal with the UK that dosn't require the UK to follow the rules of the Single Market. So they will still try to retain control over our economy and it will be interesting to see how that pans out over the next 12 months! ::)
Talking of the EPP, Donald Tusk was elected (EU style as there were no other candidates) as their new president the other day, which is nice for him.... :)
I hope they do vote against it, then we're off with no Trade deal. :)
Fixed that for you Uncle STEMO. We'll have still signed up to the Withdrawal Agreement, so the £39 billion will still be due along with all the other provisions that are in it! ::)
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Manfred Weber MEP the leader of the European Peoples Party which is the largest group in the EU Parliament said yesterday that the EPP will vote against any deal with the UK that dosn't require the UK to follow the rules of the Single Market. So they will still try to retain control over our economy and it will be interesting to see how that pans out over the next 12 months! ::)
Talking of the EPP, Donald Tusk was elected (EU style as there were no other candidates) as their new president the other day, which is nice for him.... :)
I hope they do vote against it, then we're off with no Trade deal. :)
Fixed that for you Uncle STEMO. We'll have still signed up to the Withdrawal Agreement, so the £39 billion will still be due along with all the other provisions that are in it! ::)
Not after December 2020.
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Manfred Weber MEP the leader of the European Peoples Party which is the largest group in the EU Parliament said yesterday that the EPP will vote against any deal with the UK that dosn't require the UK to follow the rules of the Single Market. So they will still try to retain control over our economy and it will be interesting to see how that pans out over the next 12 months! ::)
Talking of the EPP, Donald Tusk was elected (EU style as there were no other candidates) as their new president the other day, which is nice for him.... :)
I hope they do vote against it, then we're off with no Trade deal. :)
Fixed that for you Uncle STEMO. We'll have still signed up to the Withdrawal Agreement, so the £39 billion will still be due along with all the other provisions that are in it! ::)
Not after December 2020.
As I understand it, if the Withdrawal Agreement is ratified by Parliament and the EU Parliament, and comes into force on January 31st 2020, then that Treaty applies whatever happens next. :P
However... Guy Verhofstadt has been grandstanding in the EU Parliament today, telling the world that the WA will be voted down by the EU Parliament if Boris doesn't guarantee all the EU citizens rights in the UK. ::) Although to be honest I thought that the citizens rights thing was all sorted in the WA. :-\
Anyway there's hope yet! :)
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Better to travel in hope than arrive in despair.
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Better to travel in hope than arrive in despair.
we need another quote to follow that one.
How about "I'm going outside, I may be some time"?
Rose-tinted nostalgics love a futile gesture...
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;D ;D
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Can't we follow the US's lead and set trade agreements with fictitious places?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50849559
;D
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With the Withdrawal Bill having passed it's second reading in Parliament today, it is almost certain that it will pass all the scrutiny bits and bobs in the New Year, will be voted into law and thus the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration will be ratified. BREXIT done! :y
Well not quite.... ::) As all eyes then go to the EU Parliament where they will debate it sometime in January and have a vote on whether to ratify it or not. :)
And this is where things might get interesting.
Since Boris announced that he would definitely not extend the transition period, and that this will be enshrined in the Withdrawal Bill, the Burghers of Brussels have been muttering things like Zis is impossible! or It vil be wery challenging! meaning of course that 11 months isn't enough time to conclude an FTA. If the EU Parliament ratify the WA&PD however, surely it is tacit agreement that in fact it can and will be done? ??? Otherwise they may agree with their Eurocrat masters and vote against. ::)
Also, Manfred Weber the leader of the EPP has said that the UK will have to abide by Single Market rules in any future relationship otherwise the EPP will vote against. Boris Johnson's revised WA, strips out the commitments on workers rights made to the Labour Party by Theresa May (ie UK to mirror EU laws, present and future) when she was desperately trying get them onside earlier in the year. It's possible that the EPP might take a view that Boris has no intention for the UK to abide by the rules of the Single Market in any FTA, which incidently include the so called Four Freedoms, and might refuse to vote for the WA&PD. ::)
Finally, our old friend, the euro-windbag Guy Verhofstadt has said in the last few days that the EU Parliament will not ratify the WD&PD if the British Government does not unconditionally grant full residency rights to all EU citizens living in the UK, without them having to apply. ::)
If for whatever reason the EU Parliament fails to ratify the WA&PD even if the UK Parliament has, then we leave on the 31st January 2020 with a clean break, an outcome more commonly known as the dreaded No Deal and any talk of the transition period, extensions, or Free Trade negotiations will be moot! :-X
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Succinctly put.
I still believe no deal will be the outcome and then having had the cold shower from the fall out, both sides will then get round the table and agree something. ( hopefully as there are a lot of egos )
Boris putting end dates on the various stages is just good business sense. Any business without times scales knows it risks talks taking forever. It is human nature.
Six weeks to go and EU citizens in UK and UK citizens in EU countries don't really know what is going to happen to them.
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With the Withdrawal Bill having passed it's second reading in Parliament today, it is almost certain that it will pass all the scrutiny bits and bobs in the New Year, will be voted into law and thus the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration will be ratified. BREXIT done! :y
Well not quite.... ::) As all eyes then go to the EU Parliament where they will debate it sometime in January and have a vote on whether to ratify it or not. :)
And this is where things might get interesting.
Since Boris announced that he would definitely not extend the transition period, and that this will be enshrined in the Withdrawal Bill, the Burghers of Brussels have been muttering things like Zis is impossible! or It vil be wery challenging! meaning of course that 11 months isn't enough time to conclude an FTA. If the EU Parliament ratify the WA&PD however, surely it is tacit agreement that in fact it can and will be done? ??? Otherwise they may agree with their Eurocrat masters and vote against. ::)
Also, Manfred Weber the leader of the EPP has said that the UK will have to abide by Single Market rules in any future relationship otherwise the EPP will vote against. Boris Johnson's revised WA, strips out the commitments on workers rights made to the Labour Party by Theresa May (ie UK to mirror EU laws, present and future) when she was desperately trying get them onside earlier in the year. It's possible that the EPP might take a view that Boris has no intention for the UK to abide by the rules of the Single Market in any FTA, which incidently include the so called Four Freedoms, and might refuse to vote for the WA&PD. ::)
Finally, our old friend, the euro-windbag Guy Verhofstadt has said in the last few days that the EU Parliament will not ratify the WD&PD if the British Government does not unconditionally grant full residency rights to all EU citizens living in the UK, without them having to apply. ::)
If for whatever reason the EU Parliament fails to ratify the WA&PD even if the UK Parliament has, then we leave on the 31st January 2020 with a clean break, an outcome more commonly known as the dreaded No Deal and any talk of the transition period, extensions, or Free Trade negotiations will be moot! :-X
Please see reply #9.
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With the Withdrawal Bill having passed it's second reading in Parliament today, it is almost certain that it will pass all the scrutiny bits and bobs in the New Year, will be voted into law and thus the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration will be ratified. BREXIT done! :y
Well not quite.... ::) As all eyes then go to the EU Parliament where they will debate it sometime in January and have a vote on whether to ratify it or not. :)
And this is where things might get interesting.
Since Boris announced that he would definitely not extend the transition period, and that this will be enshrined in the Withdrawal Bill, the Burghers of Brussels have been muttering things like Zis is impossible! or It vil be wery challenging! meaning of course that 11 months isn't enough time to conclude an FTA. If the EU Parliament ratify the WA&PD however, surely it is tacit agreement that in fact it can and will be done? ??? Otherwise they may agree with their Eurocrat masters and vote against. ::)
Also, Manfred Weber the leader of the EPP has said that the UK will have to abide by Single Market rules in any future relationship otherwise the EPP will vote against. Boris Johnson's revised WA, strips out the commitments on workers rights made to the Labour Party by Theresa May (ie UK to mirror EU laws, present and future) when she was desperately trying get them onside earlier in the year. It's possible that the EPP might take a view that Boris has no intention for the UK to abide by the rules of the Single Market in any FTA, which incidently include the so called Four Freedoms, and might refuse to vote for the WA&PD. ::)
Finally, our old friend, the euro-windbag Guy Verhofstadt has said in the last few days that the EU Parliament will not ratify the WD&PD if the British Government does not unconditionally grant full residency rights to all EU citizens living in the UK, without them having to apply. ::)
If for whatever reason the EU Parliament fails to ratify the WA&PD even if the UK Parliament has, then we leave on the 31st January 2020 with a clean break, an outcome more commonly known as the dreaded No Deal and any talk of the transition period, extensions, or Free Trade negotiations will be moot! :-X
Please see reply #9.
That was about the FTA, this is about the WA. :P
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With the Withdrawal Bill having passed it's second reading in Parliament today, it is almost certain that it will pass all the scrutiny bits and bobs in the New Year, will be voted into law and thus the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration will be ratified. BREXIT done! :y
Well not quite.... ::) As all eyes then go to the EU Parliament where they will debate it sometime in January and have a vote on whether to ratify it or not. :)
And this is where things might get interesting.
Since Boris announced that he would definitely not extend the transition period, and that this will be enshrined in the Withdrawal Bill, the Burghers of Brussels have been muttering things like Zis is impossible! or It vil be wery challenging! meaning of course that 11 months isn't enough time to conclude an FTA. If the EU Parliament ratify the WA&PD however, surely it is tacit agreement that in fact it can and will be done? ??? Otherwise they may agree with their Eurocrat masters and vote against. ::)
Also, Manfred Weber the leader of the EPP has said that the UK will have to abide by Single Market rules in any future relationship otherwise the EPP will vote against. Boris Johnson's revised WA, strips out the commitments on workers rights made to the Labour Party by Theresa May (ie UK to mirror EU laws, present and future) when she was desperately trying get them onside earlier in the year. It's possible that the EPP might take a view that Boris has no intention for the UK to abide by the rules of the Single Market in any FTA, which incidently include the so called Four Freedoms, and might refuse to vote for the WA&PD. ::)
Finally, our old friend, the euro-windbag Guy Verhofstadt has said in the last few days that the EU Parliament will not ratify the WD&PD if the British Government does not unconditionally grant full residency rights to all EU citizens living in the UK, without them having to apply. ::)
If for whatever reason the EU Parliament fails to ratify the WA&PD even if the UK Parliament has, then we leave on the 31st January 2020 with a clean break, an outcome more commonly known as the dreaded No Deal and any talk of the transition period, extensions, or Free Trade negotiations will be moot! :-X
Please see reply #9.
That was about the FTA, this is about the WA. :P
No deal is no deal, so you need to shut up a bit now. ;D
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With the Withdrawal Bill having passed it's second reading in Parliament today, it is almost certain that it will pass all the scrutiny bits and bobs in the New Year, will be voted into law and thus the Withdrawal Agreement and Political Declaration will be ratified. BREXIT done! :y
Well not quite.... ::) As all eyes then go to the EU Parliament where they will debate it sometime in January and have a vote on whether to ratify it or not. :)
And this is where things might get interesting.
Since Boris announced that he would definitely not extend the transition period, and that this will be enshrined in the Withdrawal Bill, the Burghers of Brussels have been muttering things like Zis is impossible! or It vil be wery challenging! meaning of course that 11 months isn't enough time to conclude an FTA. If the EU Parliament ratify the WA&PD however, surely it is tacit agreement that in fact it can and will be done? ??? Otherwise they may agree with their Eurocrat masters and vote against. ::)
Also, Manfred Weber the leader of the EPP has said that the UK will have to abide by Single Market rules in any future relationship otherwise the EPP will vote against. Boris Johnson's revised WA, strips out the commitments on workers rights made to the Labour Party by Theresa May (ie UK to mirror EU laws, present and future) when she was desperately trying get them onside earlier in the year. It's possible that the EPP might take a view that Boris has no intention for the UK to abide by the rules of the Single Market in any FTA, which incidently include the so called Four Freedoms, and might refuse to vote for the WA&PD. ::)
Finally, our old friend, the euro-windbag Guy Verhofstadt has said in the last few days that the EU Parliament will not ratify the WD&PD if the British Government does not unconditionally grant full residency rights to all EU citizens living in the UK, without them having to apply. ::)
If for whatever reason the EU Parliament fails to ratify the WA&PD even if the UK Parliament has, then we leave on the 31st January 2020 with a clean break, an outcome more commonly known as the dreaded No Deal and any talk of the transition period, extensions, or Free Trade negotiations will be moot! :-X
Please see reply #9.
That was about the FTA, this is about the WA. :P
No deal is no deal, so you need to shut up a bit now. ;D
Unfortunately No Deal on the second deal, doesn't cancel out the first deal which will have been signed, sealed, delivered and cost us about £30bn, before we even start talking about the outcome of the second deal. :)
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Very eloquently delivered, I must say Sir Trig :y :y