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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Rangie on 07 May 2020, 09:53:16
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PPE not up to standard for use in UK hospitals , I wonder if Turkey will offer a full refund ? Don't hold your breath.
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You really couldn't write this could you, what an absolute bolox the government have made of this
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You really couldn't write this could you, what an absolute bolox the government have made of this
Hardly their fault. They ordered the kit on good faith, and if the NHS/Care industry management had done their jobs correctly, the government wouldn't have needed to be begging, stealing or borrowing basic equipment from everyone and their dog.
Clearly contingency planning needs some work...
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You really couldn't write this could you, what an absolute bolox the government have made of this
Try blaming the right people .. like those in Turkey perhaps ?? At least the items were checked before being issued.. otherwise you "moaners at everything" would then be blaming the "government" for distributing faulty kit ...
Damned if they do... damned if they don't .. easy target to balme everything on ... never let the truth get in the way of a good moan ...
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If you purchase a part for your car what would you do, check that it is correct & fit for purpose I know that's what I do, therefore someone in the UK must be employed to replenish PPE which conforms to our standards that's what I would like to think, obviously the purchase must have been left to someone without the necessary knowledge/ training .
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Sadly this is what happens when you run an economy on the cheap , if we want top notch services and equipment we have to pay for them , low taxes - low performing services
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Low taxes ???? your kidding !!
The PPE procurement problem is a global one. I have watched news programmes from various countries and they are all in exactly the same position.
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You really couldn't write this could you, what an absolute bolox the government have made of this
Try blaming the right people .. like those in Turkey perhaps ?? At least the items were checked before being issued.. otherwise you "moaners at everything" would then be blaming the "government" for distributing faulty kit ...
Damned if they do... damned if they don't .. easy target to balme everything on ... never let the truth get in the way of a good moan ...
So very true! :y :y
As I have repeatedly said to people, it is very easy to be an armchair critic when you do not bear the huge responsibility of running a country at this time yourself! >:(
Do you think omegod that during WW2 everything that was ordered by the Government for the conflict was perfect and fit for purpose? No it was not, as we are human, no one is perfect, mistakes can be made, especially when the pressure is on, and there will always be those who seek to make a buck or two beyond normal profit, out of a crisis situation. :( :(
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You really couldn't write this could you, what an absolute bolox the government have made of this
Try blaming the right people .. like those in Turkey perhaps ?? At least the items were checked before being issued.. otherwise you "moaners at everything" would then be blaming the "government" for distributing faulty kit ...
Damned if they do... damned if they don't .. easy target to balme everything on ... never let the truth get in the way of a good moan ...
So very true! :y :y
As I have repeatedly said to people, it is very easy to be an armchair critic when you do not bear the huge responsibility of running a country at this time yourself! >:(
Do you think omegod that during WW2 everything that was ordered by the Government for the conflict was perfect and fit for purpose? No it was not, as we are human, no one is perfect, mistakes can be made, especially when the pressure is on, and there will always be those who seek to make a buck or two beyond normal profit, out of a crisis situation. :( :(
Like that dodgy fella out of Dads Army ???
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Which one?
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Which one?
Him with the trilby. Mind you, Jones the butcher always had a bit on the side when pushed ;D
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Joking asides, the fact that hospitals etc claim to constantly be running out of ppe etc does beg the question as to why they don't normally use any :-X
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Sadly this is what happens when you run an economy on the cheap , if we want top notch services and equipment we have to pay for them , low taxes - low performing services
Can you give an example of a successful high tax economy ?
Low performing economy means not enough money to fund public services. Personally I would scrap most so called public services, but Im not in charge of such things.
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If you purchase a part for your car what would you do, check that it is correct & fit for purpose I know that's what I do, therefore someone in the UK must be employed to replenish PPE which conforms to our standards that's what I would like to think, obviously the purchase must have been left to someone without the necessary knowledge/ training .
If I order a part from Germany .. I order according to part number and standard required... and I EXPECT the delivery to conform to those details ... I don't drive to Germany to check .... if they don't conform I have to send them back ...
SO, HMG order PPE to UK specification, are told it complies, and so take delivery ... on arrival the items do not conform ...so are rejected ..... so just where in that "chain" is the fault ??? Only one place I'm afraid .. the "supplier" side ...
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PPE not up to standard for use in UK hospitals , I wonder if Turkey will offer a full refund ? Don't hold your breath.
They could always pay us back with 'stray dog kebabs'..... :)
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PPE not up to standard for use in UK hospitals , I wonder if Turkey will offer a full refund ? Don't hold your breath.
They could always pay us back with 'stray dog kebabs'..... :)
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They will refund with " pictures of my sister " you buy yes ?
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O dear,, did they use PayPal ;D,,
Dear Mr Brogdan, the product you supplied is not as described, I will be seeking a full refund for the item, and the courier, you have 14 days,or I will start a claim with PayPal/eBay. ;D
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Reply "You give me any problems, I let another 5 million migrants through the border, and most of them want to come to England."
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Reply "You give me any problems, I let another 5 million migrants through the border, and most of them want to come to England."
Ah yes, compromise ;D
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Aka blackmail.
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Nobody... not even the Greenies seem to question why the NHS uses so much single use plastic kit! :o
Think of the mountains of single use plastic waste that the NHS sends to landfill every day, and that's just normally! ::)
If they used re-usable kit that could be washed and sterilised they wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.... But hey, thou shalt not criticise the NHS! :)
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Nobody... not even the Greenies seem to question why the NHS uses so much single use plastic kit! :o
Think of the mountains of single use plastic waste that the NHS sends to landfill every day, and that's just normally! ::)
If they used re-usable kit that could be washed and sterilised they wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.... But hey, thou shalt not criticise the NHS! :)
Re use, equipment instead of sending it to a company to store at an inflated price, who then charge the NHS again to destroy it ethically, but just send it to landfill, O and charge the NHS again for safe disposal of the byproduct, and then said company goes bust,,,,
Disposable kit is far more hygienic, one use and it's gone,, could you trust some xxxx on minimum wage to ensure kit is sterilised and repacked....I can already see the compo Sharks circling..
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Nobody... not even the Greenies seem to question why the NHS uses so much single use plastic kit! :o
Think of the mountains of single use plastic waste that the NHS sends to landfill every day, and that's just normally! ::)
If they used re-usable kit that could be washed and sterilised they wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.... But hey, thou shalt not criticise the NHS! :)
Re use, equipment instead of sending it to a company to store at an inflated price, who then charge the NHS again to destroy it ethically, but just send it to landfill, O and charge the NHS again for safe disposal of the byproduct, and then said company goes bust,,,,
Disposable kit is far more hygienic, one use and it's gone,, could you trust some xxxx on minimum wage to ensure kit is sterilised and repacked....I can already see the compo Sharks circling..
No good if you can't get hold of any though.... ;)
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I'll wager that all those people who made masks and scrubs would be devastated to discover that they're probably not even worn for a whole shift, let alone washed and reused :-\
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I'll wager that all those people who made masks and scrubs would be devastated to discover that they're probably not even worn for a whole hour, let alone washed and reused :-\
FTFY Al... ;)
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I'll wager that all those people who made masks and scrubs would be devastated to discover that they're probably not even worn for a whole shift, let alone washed and reused :-\
THESE clcky (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--pwI4E9tsk)people making the masks DG :-\
I think they don't really care as long as they get paid ;D
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I meant the noble volunteers on the news a few weeks back :-\
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I'll wager that all those people who made masks and scrubs would be devastated to discover that they're probably not even worn for a whole shift, let alone washed and reused :-\
My daughter is an ICU nurse and came home in scrubs that some kind soul had made but, for what ever reason they were made without pockets which makes them completely unsuitable for use at work. She just wore them home after she'd showered before leaving.
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I meant the noble volunteers on the news a few weeks back :-\
Oh ,I see
the care homes etc appreciate them and wash stuff from what i've seen
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... if they are not washed and reused ... why are they called "scrubs" ........
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... if they are not washed and reused ... why are they called "scrubs" ........
Quite. It would be more appropriate to call them Chucks. :)
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I do not understand why you are all saying scrubs are not washed.
They are as part of the normal regime in hospitals.
As for the plastic PPE items, have you all tried washing plastic in a washing machine at the highest temperature you need to kill all the nasties?
In short plastic becomes horribly distorted and completely unusable. Even the face masks would fall apart or lose their ability to restrict the "cleaning" quality they must have due to their construction as they are washed at very high temperatures.
We are not talking about PPE, or scrubs, just being chucked on multiple occasions into a domestic washing machine at 40 degrees C and be fine for use thereafter. Is life of a patient worth less than a bit of plastic? ::) ::)
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I'm sure there are other suitable materials that gowns and aprons for example could be made from, that protect the wearer and can be washed and sterilised. :)
I thought we were being encouraged not to use cheap single use plastic. ;)
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... if they are not washed and reused ... why are they called "scrubs" ........
They are washed and reused.
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... if they are not washed and reused ... why are they called "scrubs" ........
They are washed and reused.
Well obviously some are some aren't.... ::)
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... if they are not washed and reused ... why are they called "scrubs" ........
They are washed and reused.
Well obviously some are some aren't.... ::)
Proper, cotton scrubs are washed and reused. Anything plastic is not scrubs really.
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Wouldn't need to boil wash plastic to kill nasties. Just spray it with, or dip it in, a chemical which kills the nasties.
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I do not understand why you are all saying scrubs are not washed.
They are as part of the normal regime in hospitals.
As for the plastic PPE items, have you all tried washing plastic in a washing machine at the highest temperature you need to kill all the nasties?
In short plastic becomes horribly distorted and completely unusable. Even the face masks would fall apart or lose their ability to restrict the "cleaning" quality they must have due to their construction as they are washed at very high temperatures.
We are not talking about PPE, or scrubs, just being chucked on multiple occasions into a domestic washing machine at 40 degrees C and be fine for use thereafter. Is life of a patient worth less than a bit of plastic? ::) ::)
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There's plenty of other ways to clean full face masks etc so that they don't need to binned after five minutes.
You could also do away with gloves in the main. Using a pair of non recyclable disposable gloves every patient is a complete waste when they could easily be replaced with robust hand sanitising procedures and proper cleaning.
Obviously there are circumstances where gloves are appropriate. The debate here isn't about the value of life or the environment, but rather the indemic waste within the NHS, as highlighted by the current situation.
I would wager that in hospital infection rates are higher today than they were 60 years ago.
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Wouldn't need to boil wash plastic to kill nasties. Just spray it with, or dip it in, a chemical which kills the nasties.
10%+ solution of bleach does that.
Another fault of the modern Health service is they allow staff to come into work, and leave wearing scrubs etc,,,, That needs to be stopped, also lots of Hospital don't have a washing room anymore it's been contracted out.
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More waste.
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More waste.
The NHS are top of the shop for waste, that isn't just the rubbish side either.
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Squanderage is possibly a clearer term :D
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Squanderage is possibly a clearer term :D
That too.