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Title: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 19 December 2020, 16:18:51
.....changing all the Christmas rules. No Christmas in London.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 19 December 2020, 16:19:51
.....changing all the Christmas rules. No Christmas in London.

That should go down well.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 19 December 2020, 16:20:42
Most of London's inhabitants don't celebrate Christmas anyway!  :-X ;D
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 19 December 2020, 16:21:13
.....changing all the Christmas rules. No Christmas in London.

That should go down well.
Will anyone take any notice?
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Rangie on 19 December 2020, 16:29:14
You can have Christmas any day you like now, what's the big deal anyhow ?
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 19 December 2020, 16:37:50
You can have Christmas any day you like now, what's the big deal anyhow ?
Dead right, Mick.

We are not being told the full story, that is obvious to me. Someone from SAGE  has told Robert Peston that this is the worse moment so far in the pandemic 😷
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Rangie on 19 December 2020, 16:44:01
You can have Christmas any day you like now, what's the big deal anyhow ?
Dead right, Mick.

We are not being told the full story, that is obvious to me. Someone from SAGE  has told Robert Peston that this is the worse moment so far in the pandemic 😷



Could see this coming Steve , our son is in the Police & all leave in his area was cancelled weeks ago, lots of trouble expected.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 19 December 2020, 16:50:42
Not just London.We are 10 minutes from Suffolk and it applies to us.  :(
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 19 December 2020, 17:07:38
Tier 4 for us in the South East and London had to happen due to the dramatic rise in cases due to the new variant of the virus.

Boris can not do miracles, and he will be unfairly blamed for either doing what one half of the population think is right or what the other half believe instead, with all the arm chair experts jumping on the band wagon. He cannot do anything for right or wrong.

He has to balance people having a lovely, comfy Christmas with every possibility of thousands of extra deaths afterwards.

Who would be Boris at the moment?!
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Rangie on 19 December 2020, 17:09:23
Wouldn't want it for any amount of money.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Varche on 19 December 2020, 17:11:55
Tier 4 for us in the South East and London had to happen due to the dramatic rise in cases due to the new variant of the virus.

Boris can not do miracles, and he will be unfairly blamed for either doing what one half of the population think is right or what the other half believe instead, with all the arm chair experts jumping on the band wagon. He cannot do anything for right or wrong.

He has to balance people having a lovely, comfy Christmas with every possibility of thousands of extra deaths afterwards.

Who would be Boris at the moment?!

Spot on damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

Boris is looking very tired. Probably worn out working out fishy quotas too.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: dave the builder on 19 December 2020, 17:17:42
half the country won't take a blind bit of notice of rules anyway anymore
people still can't remember to social distance in shops etc  >:(

I expect the death and new case figures will go through the roof in January
regardless of any rules announced on the telly   

stay safe everyone
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Rangie on 19 December 2020, 17:18:50
Most of London's inhabitants don't celebrate Christmas anyway!  :-X ;D


Ramadan a  ding dong 😊😊😊
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Rangie on 19 December 2020, 17:20:07
Just use your own commonsense everyone , stay safe.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 19 December 2020, 17:23:39
Tier 4 for us in the South East and London had to happen due to the dramatic rise in cases due to the new variant of the virus.

Boris can not do miracles, and he will be unfairly blamed for either doing what one half of the population think is right or what the other half believe instead, with all the arm chair experts jumping on the band wagon. He cannot do anything for right or wrong.

He has to balance people having a lovely, comfy Christmas with every possibility of thousands of extra deaths afterwards.

Who would be Boris at the moment?!

Spot on damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

Boris is looking very tired. Probably worn out working out fishy quotas too.

Yep, and I would not be surprised if resigns after it is all over, or collapses first! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 19 December 2020, 17:27:03
Did the new variant come from dinghys arriving in Dover ?  :-\
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 19 December 2020, 17:30:55
I think Boris is doing his best...... in a Boris sort of way.

The alternative is that uninspiring middle-management type of chappie from Labour.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 19 December 2020, 17:31:56
Well Boris has sorted a little problem for me.  :)

I saw my mates 90 year old Mum today.  He lives in Surrey and was insisting on coming down on Christmas day, spending the night and going back Boxing day.  She didn't want him to come and asked me to have a word, something I was a bit reluctant to do as I didn't want to get involved with their family stuff.  :-\

Surrey is now Tier 4 and Dorset is Tier 2! Cheers Boris!  :y  ;D
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 19 December 2020, 17:34:14
I think Boris is doing his best...... in a Boris sort of way.

The alternative is that uninspiring middle-management type of chappie from Labour.

Yes he'd have cancelled Christmas months ago just because he could, but now we'll have to suffer him going round saying " I told you so! "  ::)
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 19 December 2020, 17:35:39
I think Boris is doing his best...... in a Boris sort of way.

The alternative is that uninspiring middle-management type of chappie from Labour.

You mean that chap who criticises Boris, but then agrees and gives him credit for what he is doing.........eventually. ;D ;D ;D

I rather like Sir Keir Starmer  :y :y
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 19 December 2020, 17:39:52
I think Boris is doing his best...... in a Boris sort of way.

The alternative is that uninspiring middle-management type of chappie from Labour.

You mean that chap who criticises Boris, but then agrees and gives him credit for what he is doing.........eventually. ;D ;D ;D

I rather like Sir Keir Starmer :y :y

Ohhh Lizzie.......does he make you go all flushed and giddy like a schoolgirl? :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: dave the builder on 19 December 2020, 17:44:10
Borris has done well
now most of the country are not in the top tier ,just in time for x-mas
now he's created a new higher tier for the southern Nancy boys
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 19 December 2020, 17:46:15
I think Boris is doing his best...... in a Boris sort of way.

The alternative is that uninspiring middle-management type of chappie from Labour.

You mean that chap who criticises Boris, but then agrees and gives him credit for what he is doing.........eventually. ;D ;D ;D

I rather like Sir Keir Starmer :y :y

Ohhh Lizzie.......does he make you go all flushed and giddy like a schoolgirl? :-* :-* :-* :-*

He has got something that appeals to me! ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-*

Unlike his predecessor who made me want to vomit! ::) ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 19 December 2020, 17:49:54
Borris has done well
now most of the country are not in the top tier ,just in time for x-mas
now he's created a new higher tier for the southern Nancy boys

Do not worry about that Dave.  Those Nancy boys will just hibernate to their special clubs and talk about us silly peasants and how they can make money out of it all.............as they have done for centuries! ::) ::) :y :y
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Varche on 19 December 2020, 17:50:43
Did the new variant come from dinghys arriving in Dover ?  :-\

Good question. Better phrased did it come on a ferry/ chunnel?

Of course us on the mainland are asking questions like

Did it escape from the top secret lab in Chatham?

Will it come across the channel to our countries from Britain?

Is it already here but not identified yet?
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 19 December 2020, 17:51:05
Starmer is a slick slimy lawyer, like a third rate B. liar.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 19 December 2020, 17:53:16
Did the new variant come from dinghys arriving in Dover ?  :-\

Good question. Better phrased did it come on a ferry/ chunnel?

Of course us on the mainland are asking questions like

Did it escape from the top secret lab in Chatham?

Will it come across the channel to our countries from Britain?

Is it already here but not identified yet?

Sorry Varche, but apparently it is down to your lot:

https://www.ft.com/content/2782655a-0441-4d38-bb03-5c4e67ead110

 ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y

Well, Spain has got form - the Spanish Flue of 1918 is named that for a reason!! ::) ::) ::)  (Actually that has always been unfair as it is believed it came from the USA from chickens and a Army camp!) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 19 December 2020, 17:53:48
Did the new variant come from dinghys arriving in Dover ?  :-\

Good question. Better phrased did it come on a ferry/ chunnel?

Of course us on the mainland are asking questions like

Did it escape from the top secret lab in Chatham?

Will it come across the channel to our countries from Britain?

Is it already here but not identified yet?

Well, it appeared in Kent and then started spreading northwards like wildfire by the look of it, so I would guess it came across the channel one way or another.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: amba on 19 December 2020, 17:56:27
Just waiting for tier 6 down here in Kent,then we wont be able to look at the TV  ;D
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 19 December 2020, 17:57:24
Did the new variant come from dinghys arriving in Dover ?  :-\

Good question. Better phrased did it come on a ferry/ chunnel?

Of course us on the mainland are asking questions like

Did it escape from the top secret lab in Chatham?

Will it come across the channel to our countries from Britain?

Is it already here but not identified yet?

Well, it appeared in Kent and then started spreading northwards like wildfire by the look of it, so I would guess it came across the channel one way or another.

Yes, it was probably the French getting their own back on behalf of their fishermen! :y :y :y
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 19 December 2020, 17:59:33
Just waiting for tier 6 down here in Kent,then we wont be able to look at the TV  ;D

What no second rate Christmas TV programs!!.....................How bloody lovey, it would be such a peaceful time! ;D ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Varche on 19 December 2020, 18:01:29
Did the new variant come from dinghys arriving in Dover ?  :-\

Good question. Better phrased did it come on a ferry/ chunnel?

Of course us on the mainland are asking questions like

Did it escape from the top secret lab in Chatham?

Will it come across the channel to our countries from Britain?

Is it already here but not identified yet?

Sorry Varche, but apparently it is down to your lot:

https://www.ft.com/content/2782655a-0441-4d38-bb03-5c4e67ead110

 ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y

Well, Spain has got form - the Spanish Flue of 1918 is named that for a reason!! ::) ::) ::)  (Actually that has always been unfair as it is believed it came from the USA from chickens and a Army camp!) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hmm might have guessed.  ;D
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 19 December 2020, 18:10:45
Did the new variant come from dinghys arriving in Dover ?  :-\

Good question. Better phrased did it come on a ferry/ chunnel?

Of course us on the mainland are asking questions like

Did it escape from the top secret lab in Chatham?

Will it come across the channel to our countries from Britain?

Is it already here but not identified yet?

Sorry Varche, but apparently it is down to your lot:

https://www.ft.com/content/2782655a-0441-4d38-bb03-5c4e67ead110

 ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y

Well, Spain has got form - the Spanish Flue of 1918 is named that for a reason!! ::) ::) ::)  (Actually that has always been unfair as it is believed it came from the USA from chickens and a Army camp!) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The facts about Spanish flu are well known, surprised a historian such as yourself isn't up to speed.
It was ducks, btw, and the reason it came to be called Spanish flu is because Spain was the only country where it made the newspapers, because of it's neutrality during WW1. Other countries kept it hush hush so as not to appear weakened.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 19 December 2020, 18:25:38
It's irrelevant in Kent anyways, apparently you can go anywhere without getting stuck in a massive queue of lorries...  ;D
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 19 December 2020, 18:27:22
Did the new variant come from dinghys arriving in Dover ?  :-\

Good question. Better phrased did it come on a ferry/ chunnel?

Of course us on the mainland are asking questions like

Did it escape from the top secret lab in Chatham?

Will it come across the channel to our countries from Britain?

Is it already here but not identified yet?

Sorry Varche, but apparently it is down to your lot:

https://www.ft.com/content/2782655a-0441-4d38-bb03-5c4e67ead110

 ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y

Well, Spain has got form - the Spanish Flue of 1918 is named that for a reason!! ::) ::) ::)  (Actually that has always been unfair as it is believed it came from the USA from chickens and a Army camp!) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The facts about Spanish flu are well known, surprised a historian such as yourself isn't up to speed.
It was ducks, btw, and the reason it came to be called Spanish flu is because Spain was the only country where it made the newspapers, because of it's neutrality during WW1. Other countries kept it hush hush so as not to appear weakened.

Historians still debate this one.  There are a number of theories about it's origins. Some say it was chickens, with the virus containing genes of avian origin, but others point towards pigs as a possible cause which can now be linked to Swine Flue.  As I stated anyway, I said it was unfair and certainly the bit about it being in the newspapers in Spain is correct.  But it's origins have been identified as being in China (yes, that again!!) with it being first observed in a US Army Training Camp.  It then apparently spread rapidly due to the huge numbers of men fighting in the trenches of WW1, and the very unhealthy and unhygienic conditions they lived in.  When the armistice came in 1918 the virus came back to the countries of the combatants and soon spread to the civilian populations. By 1920 it is calculated by most historians as infecting 500 million people causing 50 to 100 million deaths (depends on who you believe) worldwide.

The current COVID 19 is therefore, at the moment, still a walk in the park compared to that one! :'( :'(
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 19 December 2020, 18:31:28
My understanding is the 1918 flu originated in a hick farm in middle America.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 19 December 2020, 18:34:24
This is a good watch

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0blmn5l
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 19 December 2020, 18:35:33
My understanding is the 1918 flu originated in a hick farm in middle America.

That is one possibility considered by some historians, other reckon it originated in China and spread to American troops at their training camp via chickens / others pigs!!  As I said, it is still debated and studied by historians and I feel sure it will feature in future discussions about COVID19 in many universities at many levels. ;)
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 19 December 2020, 18:43:42
Don't see anyone, don't go out, don't do anything...

Ffs, that's all I have been doing since March. All I wanted was two days out to have a pint or two :-X

'dangle berries' to it, I am back off to bed.

Wake me up next year.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Kevin Wood on 19 December 2020, 18:44:43
Don't see anyone, don't go out, don't do anything...

Ffs, that's all I have been doing since March. All I wanted was two days out to have a pint or two :-X

'dangle berries' to it, I am back off to bed.

Wake me up next year.

My local brewery delivers free of charge. ;D
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 19 December 2020, 18:45:06
Did the new variant come from dinghys arriving in Dover ?  :-\

Good question. Better phrased did it come on a ferry/ chunnel?

Of course us on the mainland are asking questions like

Did it escape from the top secret lab in Chatham?

Will it come across the channel to our countries from Britain?

Is it already here but not identified yet?

Sorry Varche, but apparently it is down to your lot:

https://www.ft.com/content/2782655a-0441-4d38-bb03-5c4e67ead110

 ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y

Well, Spain has got form - the Spanish Flue of 1918 is named that for a reason!! ::) ::) ::)  (Actually that has always been unfair as it is believed it came from the USA from chickens and a Army camp!) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The facts about Spanish flu are well known, surprised a historian such as yourself isn't up to speed.
It was ducks, btw, and the reason it came to be called Spanish flu is because Spain was the only country where it made the newspapers, because of it's neutrality during WW1. Other countries kept it hush hush so as not to appear weakened.

Historians still debate this one.  There are a number of theories about it's origins. Some say it was chickens, with the virus containing genes of avian origin, but others point towards pigs as a possible cause which can now be linked to Swine Flue.  As I stated anyway, I said it was unfair and certainly the bit about it being in the newspapers in Spain is correct.  But it's origins have been identified as being in China (yes, that again!!) with it being first observed in a US Army Training Camp.  It then apparently spread rapidly due to the huge numbers of men fighting in the trenches of WW1, and the very unhealthy and unhygienic conditions they lived in.  When the armistice came in 1918 the virus came back to the countries of the combatants and soon spread to the civilian populations. By 1920 it is calculated by most historians as infecting 500 million people causing 50 to 100 million deaths (depends on who you believe) worldwide.

The current COVID 19 is therefore, at the moment, still a walk in the park compared to that one! :'( :'(

Yep...50-100 million dead from a world population of 1.8 billion in 1918.

Covid sniffle.....so far 1.3 million dead from a world population of 7.7 billion.

My favourite virus/ plague is the black death of 1348-1350. A proper plague. :y
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 19 December 2020, 18:52:03
Don't see anyone, don't go out, don't do anything...

Ffs, that's all I have been doing since March. All I wanted was two days out to have a pint or two :-X

'dangle berries' to it, I am back off to bed.

Wake me up next year.

Do you have something to keep you warm. I don't mean a hot water bottle. :)
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 19 December 2020, 18:52:18
This is a good watch

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0blmn5l


Yes it is and highlights what I have read and is considered by many historians as being the facts about the origins.  Other theories do exist as I said, with a Chinese connection, but the facts would tend to favour this explanation, with the Avian or Pig connection.

What is certain is that it killed at least 50 million, some say 100 million, others as little as 17 million, which personally I have discounted in the past when reading all the facts.

A fascinating event in history that due to the current situation is even more relevant today. ;)
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 19 December 2020, 18:53:56
This is a good watch

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0blmn5l


Yes it is and highlights what I have read and is considered by many historians as being the facts about the origins.  Other theories do exist as I said, with a Chinese connection, but the facts would tend to favour this explanation, with the Avian or Pig connection.

What is certain is that it killed at least 50 million, some say 100 million, others as little as 17 million, which personally I have discounted in the past when reading all the facts.

A fascinating event in history that due to the current situation is even more relevant today. ;)

You survived that one Lizzie, and you'll survive this one. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 19 December 2020, 18:57:28
This is a good watch

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0blmn5l


Yes it is and highlights what I have read and is considered by many historians as being the facts about the origins.  Other theories do exist as I said, with a Chinese connection, but the facts would tend to favour this explanation, with the Avian or Pig connection.

What is certain is that it killed at least 50 million, some say 100 million, others as little as 17 million, which personally I have discounted in the past when reading all the facts.

A fascinating event in history that due to the current situation is even more relevant today. ;)

You survived that one Lizzie, and you'll survive this one. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

 ;D ;D ;D :y :y  Well, for me more importantly is I missed WW1 and WW2.  Compared to them both, and the Spanish Flue, we have all escaped the real horrors of major World wide events..................well apart from you Opti who I believed lived through WW2! :o :o :y :y :y :y
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 19 December 2020, 19:09:27
Don't see anyone, don't go out, don't do anything...

Ffs, that's all I have been doing since March. All I wanted was two days out to have a pint or two :-X

'dangle berries' to it, I am back off to bed.

Wake me up next year.

Do you have something to keep you warm. I don't mean a hot water bottle. :)
She's in Tier 4, so there's that...
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: TheBoy on 19 December 2020, 19:19:17
Just waiting for tier 6 down here in Kent,then we wont be able to look at the TV  ;D
Would you notice?

If it means no more cocking Knobenders or strictly cum wanking, where can I sign up for Tier 6?
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: BazaJT on 19 December 2020, 19:29:23
No-one makes you watch telly :-X
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Entwood on 19 December 2020, 19:38:33
Don't see anyone, don't go out, don't do anything...

Ffs, that's all I have been doing since March. All I wanted was two days out to have a pint or two :-X

'dangle berries' to it, I am back off to bed.

Wake me up next year.

My local brewery delivers free of charge. ;D

Likewise ... 10 litres arriving Monday night ... and now daughter and partner aren't allowed to visit, they live in London now tier 4, I'll just have to try and drink it all myself ... the hardships this batflu are causing just keep on coming ........
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 19 December 2020, 19:59:46
This is a good watch

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0blmn5l


Yes it is and highlights what I have read and is considered by many historians as being the facts about the origins.  Other theories do exist as I said, with a Chinese connection, but the facts would tend to favour this explanation, with the Avian or Pig connection.

What is certain is that it killed at least 50 million, some say 100 million, others as little as 17 million, which personally I have discounted in the past when reading all the facts.

A fascinating event in history that due to the current situation is even more relevant today. ;)

You survived that one Lizzie, and you'll survive this one. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

 ;D ;D ;D :y :y  Well, for me more importantly is I missed WW1 and WW2.  Compared to them both, and the Spanish Flue, we have all escaped the real horrors of major World wide events..................well apart from you Opti who I believed lived through WW2! :o :o :y :y :y :y

I'm a veteran of the Boer war. ;D

I was very young though.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 19 December 2020, 20:25:42
This is a good watch

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0blmn5l


Yes it is and highlights what I have read and is considered by many historians as being the facts about the origins.  Other theories do exist as I said, with a Chinese connection, but the facts would tend to favour this explanation, with the Avian or Pig connection.

What is certain is that it killed at least 50 million, some say 100 million, others as little as 17 million, which personally I have discounted in the past when reading all the facts.

A fascinating event in history that due to the current situation is even more relevant today. ;)

You survived that one Lizzie, and you'll survive this one. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

 ;D ;D ;D :y :y  Well, for me more importantly is I missed WW1 and WW2.  Compared to them both, and the Spanish Flue, we have all escaped the real horrors of major World wide events..................well apart from you Opti who I believed lived through WW2! :o :o :y :y :y :y

I'm a veteran of the Boer war. ;D

I was very young though.

You probably knew my Great Uncle Wally then as he was involved in that to ;D ;D
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 19 December 2020, 20:33:27
Apparently all of the shops in Wales have been absolutely rammed this evening (Argos, etc) because they all have to close tonight, with only about 6 hours warning. A couple of reports from London saying a mass exodus is on at all of the major rail terminals.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: dave the builder on 19 December 2020, 20:45:31
Apparently all of the shops in Wales have been absolutely rammed this evening (Argos, etc) because they all have to close tonight, with only about 6 hours warning. A couple of reports from London saying a mass exodus is on at all of the major rail terminals.
a great way to spread the virus, cramming everyone in the shops rather than just let the shops open as normal till crimbo  ::)
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Nick W on 19 December 2020, 20:50:42
Apparently all of the shops in Wales have been absolutely rammed this evening (Argos, etc) because they all have to close tonight, with only about 6 hours warning. A couple of reports from London saying a mass exodus is on at all of the major rail terminals.
a great way to spread the virus, cramming everyone in the shops rather than just let the shops open as normal till crimbo  ::)


Won't all the rain flush any virus out of the air?
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 19 December 2020, 22:24:24
I am somewhat confused that, being in the very suddenly created Tier 4, I am no longer allowed to see my family at Christmas time, with less than a week's notice - but, in the same Tier 4, "places of communal worship" are allowed to continue opening and functioning?

It's not meant to be derogatory at all, I just don't understand it. I can't meet the three or four people closest to me, but, I could still go to a church / synagogue / mosque, with 100+ people in it, and that's ok?

Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Entwood on 19 December 2020, 22:35:53
I am somewhat confused that, being in the very suddenly created Tier 4, I am no longer allowed to see my family at Christmas time, with less than a week's notice - but, in the same Tier 4, "places of communal worship" are allowed to continue opening and functioning?

It's not meant to be derogatory at all, I just don't understand it. I can't meet the three or four people closest to me, but, I could still go to a church / synagogue / mosque, with 100+ people in it, and that's ok?

It's actually very simple.. if you get off the outrage bus and apply a little common sense ...

Your visitors at home will be in an enclosed space, will hug and kiss and move around, and you will be in close proximity for a length of time ... ie .. you risk spreading the virus between you by personal contact.

In the place of worship, which is much larger, there are strict rules on "social distancing", "one way systems" and sanitising stations ....  you are there to pray and not converse with others, you remain distanced and the time limit is short .. the risk of transmision of virus is therefore much lower...

It's the same stupid argument about going to a restaurant versus a wedding reception ....  I can attend a restaruant with my wife, have a nice meal and leave, and the ONLY person I converse with is the one waitress. ........how many weddings have you been to where you speak to no-one ?? NONE .. everyone wants to speak/dance/converse .. it is the whole "social" purpose of going to the wedding .. to see relatives you haven't seen for a while ...

I really do wonder what has happened to common sense these past few months ....  The government is being blamed for "spreading" the virus .... pretty imposible actually... the government has given the virus to no-one.... as it is spread by personal contact between human beings ... YOU and ME ....

Stay away from other people and you don't catch or spread the virus .....  seeemples
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Nick W on 19 December 2020, 22:46:35
There's also the amount of time you spend together: an hour at church with plenty of space, or all day in one room arguing with relatives are very different risks
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Varche on 19 December 2020, 22:50:46
I wonder how many folks when they found they are now in Tier4 , quickly packed and hit the road to their second home ( assuming they have one)
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 19 December 2020, 22:51:54

It's the same stupid argument about going to a restaurant versus a wedding reception ....  I can attend a restaruant with my wife, have a nice meal and leave, and the ONLY person I converse with is the one waitress. ........how many weddings have you been to where you speak to no-one ?? NONE .. everyone wants to speak/dance/converse .. it is the whole "social" purpose of going to the wedding .. to see relatives you haven't seen for a while ...

Yet, wedding receptions are also apparently still permitted. And that fact, defies your logic.

I'm not on any "outrage bus". That's a wide sweeping conclusion. My issue is not with what I can, or cannot personally do. Just with the inconsistencies in the rules.

Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 19 December 2020, 22:58:25

Your visitors at home will be in an enclosed space, will hug and kiss and move around, and you will be in close proximity for a length of time


Another generalisation, I'm afraid. Whist I accept this is undoubtedly true for many, it doesn't apply to me, thank you. I'd be happy if I could just travel out of my area, and see my mum (who I haven't seen for 9 months) in a park for 15 minutes, at a 5 meter distance, just to hand over presents. That would make it all worthwhile. I miss her very much.

I appreciate your points are fairly valid to most of the population, but please don't tar me with the "apply some common sense brush".

I could apply common sense, and exchange presents with my mum for an hour, in a much safer manner than most places, such as places of worship.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 19 December 2020, 23:01:25
And, just for the record, Nige, my fed up tone is in no way directed at your good self. I'm just thoroughly pissed off with life right now.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 19 December 2020, 23:02:26
Places of worship remaining open is wrong imo. If you believe in God, you should realise he doesnt live in Church and you dont need to be there to worship or pray to him. Therefore its allowing risk of spread between quite a few people for no valid reason.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 19 December 2020, 23:06:51
Places of worship remaining open is wrong imo. If you believe in God, you should realise he doesnt live in Church and you dont need to be there to worship or pray to him. Therefore its allowing risk of spread between quite a few people for no valid reason.

I just think there are generalisations, about what I want to do with my family, and the perceived risks that would present.

I'd happily get in my car, in the T4 area, drive to my family, meet them in a huge open space, even if just to see them in person. We would all happily maintain that distance, not hug, etc, and then go our separate ways again. Because that's far better than nothing!

I won't do it, because I can't break the rules. But I still maintain, that what I, and my family want to do, is far less risky than places such as churches and mosques.

I totally get that most familes, when allowed to meet, will flount the fules. Hence, I understand why the rules are in place.

I'm just genuinely, very sad, that I can't see my family, in what would be a totally safe way, at short notice.

That's not an "outrage bus". It's more to do with knowing my mum probably won't make Christmas 2022. I'm genuinely in bits about the whole thing  :-\
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 19 December 2020, 23:16:11
I can sympathise with that. My wife has health issues which are getting her down at the moment and she was really looking forward to our son ( her little Prince) being home at Christmas for the last time before he becomes a married man next year.
Its been taken away today, and Im working 12 hours Christmas day, so she will be home alone until 8pm.
She was in tears about it when Boris announcef it, but what can you do but suck it up.
The situation with your Mum sounds very different though. If I were in your shoes I dont know what I would do tbh.
I cant say I wouldnt be tempted to do what you were talking about - see her, but use common sense at the same time.

The thing that put our situation in perspective is that we heard a couple of days ago that a 60 year old woman, a mile from us, who we both worked with years ago, died from Covid.
What her husband and two kids will have to go through this Christmas doesnt bear thinking about, and doesnt leave us much of a right to moan about our situation.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 19 December 2020, 23:24:12
I can sympathise with that. My wife has health issues which are getting her down at the moment and she was really looking forward to our son ( her little Prince) being home at Christmas for the last time before he becomes a married man next year.
Its been taken away today, and Im working 12 hours Christmas day, so she will be home alone until 8pm.
She was in tears about it when Boris announcef it, but what can you do but suck it up.
The situation with your Mum sounds very different though. If I were in your shoes I dont know what I would do tbh.
I cant say I wouldnt be tempted to do what you were talking about - see her, but use common sense at the same time.

The thing that put our situation in perspective is that we heard a couple of days ago that a 60 year old woman, a mile from us, who we both worked with years ago, died from Covid.
What her husband and two kids will have to go through this Christmas doesnt bear thinking about, and doesnt leave us much of a right to moan about our situation.

Thanks for your reply, in all honesty I wish I hadn't said anything. I have said on many occasions, I should only participate in car related discussions, and this is a classic example of why I should probably stick to that.

Not that, even that, has much relevance anymore. How many of us own Omegas now?
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Entwood on 19 December 2020, 23:27:37
What is pissing me off right now is the totally stupid "acquaintances" .. I no longer call then "friends" .. who see the "rules" as a "target" and are attempting, at every moment, to push them to the limit.

We can no longer see our daughter this xmas as she is now tier 4 in London, and is worried that, should she actually visit us she "might" pass the virus on .. (both C and I are rated "vulnerable" due to past illness/age)  and did she last weekend when she, legally visited, but knew nowt about this "new strain" ........

but folks we know have just booked a weekend in a hotel in London as they are "stir crazy" and want to get out .... and then got all pissy with me when I told them to stay away from my house when they come back as I don't wish to see them.

As I said earlier .. the virus is spread by people .. not rules/governments/rain drops or beer ... but PEOPLE .. stay away from other folks and you neither catch or spread the virus .. it is NOT difficult .. although it is neither "nice" or "comfortable" .. it is a fact ......

I apologise if I upset anyone .. but I am severely pissed off at the stupidity of some of those around me ..... I have also lost 3 friends this week, all past colleages in the RAF , and all of a similar age to me. Covid knows no discrimination .. it attacks everyone.

edited for smelling pistakes
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 19 December 2020, 23:42:18
What is pissing me off right now is the totally stupid "acquaintances" .. I no longer call then "friends" .. who see the "rules" as a "target" and are attempting, at every moment, to push them to the limit.

Agreed entirely. I encounter the same, and share your feelings.

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We can no longer see our daughter this xmas as she is now tier 4 in London, and is worried that, should she actually visit us she "might" pass the virus on .. (both C and I are rated "vulnerable" due to past illness/age)  and did she last weekend when she, legally visited, but knew nowt about this "new strain" ........

but folks we know have just booked a weekend in a hotel in London as they are "stir crazy" and want to get out .... and then got all pissy with me when I told them to stay away from my house when they come back as I don't wish to see them.


Again - share your view!

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As I said earlier .. the virus is spread by people .. not rules/governments/rain drops or beer ... but PEOPLE .. stay away from other folks and you neither catch or spread the virus .. it is NOT difficult .. although it is neither "nice" or "comfortable" .. it is a fact ......

I apologise if I upset anyone .. but I am severely pissed off at the stupidity of some of those around me ..... I have also lost 3 friends this week, all past colleages in the RAF , and all of a similar age to me. Covid knows no discrimination .. it attacks everyone.

edited for smelling pistakes

Also accepted, and I'm genuinely very sorry for your difficulties, and losses. I agree, it doesn't care, who is who, or what time of year it is..

All I ask, is please don't categorise me as being like the "majority" of the public, or trying to get on some sort of band wagon.

I obey, and respect the rules. I would just love to see my mum, and if we could do that over a distance, outside, with no touching - we would both take that, all day long.

2020 just sucks  :-[
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 19 December 2020, 23:44:21
There have been a few opportunities to legally meet up through the year, but they have been fleeting.

I appreciate that if Christmas is your 'thing' that it sucks to be stuck at home. And I also am of the mindset that the lockdowns in general are an incredibly destructive thing for several reasons.

Personally, I would prefer to be working Christmas as that's just become habit, but had planned to spend it with family as my roster had my shift starting on Boxing Day night. And it was going to be an opportunity for Mum to actually get out of the house for a few days.

I am habitually programmed to either be at work or asleep, this year, without working since March, I think, all told, that I have probably socially met up with five or six people separately, and only gone out to either go shopping or walk the dog, so I don't see how, having spent nine months avoiding people, a five day liberty pass is so much to ask...

It is what it is, but it does kinda suck.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 19 December 2020, 23:49:03
Incidentally, whilst no real substitute for being in the same room as someone, Zoom dinners are quite fun.

As a thought, do you have space for your Mum to move in with you?
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 19 December 2020, 23:53:51
Incidentally, whilst no real substitute for being in the same room as someone, Zoom dinners are quite fun.
As a thought, do you have space for your Mum to move in with you?

Give me a minute, I'll go and measure the patio  ;D

Technically yes I do, although, jokes aside, as much as we we love each other to bits, and I'd never see her stranded, that wouldn't work, We love each other to bits, but if we lived together, one of us would end up under the patio  ;D

Just before you think I'm being insensitive, my mum has neurosis, and is a brittle type 1 diabetic, she needs a LOT of support, and whilst I try my best, I can't give her that alone........
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 December 2020, 00:09:17
 ;D

Are you not 'bubbled'?

That could be a legitimate solution, albeit not ideal... Summat better than nowt and all that?
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Rangie on 20 December 2020, 07:36:36
What is pissing me off right now is the totally stupid "acquaintances" .. I no longer call then "friends" .. who see the "rules" as a "target" and are attempting, at every moment, to push them to the limit.

We can no longer see our daughter this xmas as she is now tier 4 in London, and is worried that, should she actually visit us she "might" pass the virus on .. (both C and I are rated "vulnerable" due to past illness/age)  and did she last weekend when she, legally visited, but knew nowt about this "new strain" ........

but folks we know have just booked a weekend in a hotel in London as they are "stir crazy" and want to get out .... and then got all pissy with me when I told them to stay away from my house when they come back as I don't wish to see them.

As I said earlier .. the virus is spread by people .. not rules/governments/rain drops or beer ... but PEOPLE .. stay away from other folks and you neither catch or spread the virus .. it is NOT difficult .. although it is neither "nice" or "comfortable" .. it is a fact ......

I apologise if I upset anyone .. but I am severely pissed off at the stupidity of some of those around me ..... I have also lost 3 friends this week, all past colleages in the RAF , and all of a similar age to me. Covid knows no discrimination .. it attacks everyone.

edited for smelling pistakes
.   


Agree with you entirely, we have a neighbour who has organised a carol concert on a grass area near our houses, the idiot made it public on Facebook ,he looked amazed when I shouted across the road to him that he could put his carol concert where the sun don't shine, SWMBO said I should have been more tactful but I think the direct approach to a fu**ing idiot works better.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 20 December 2020, 07:50:12
The new strain will be all over the country soon enough. This from the Manchester Evening News:

"While travellers flocked to the capital’s train stations as they tried to leave the city before the new restrictions came into force.
Passengers on one train were told that social distancing “will not be possible” due to the volume of people on board, and those that felt “uncomfortable” should not stay on the train."


Also:
"Shoppers filled London’s high streets, including Oxford Street as they rushed to buy last minute gifts following Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s announcement."
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Varche on 20 December 2020, 09:31:56
As said earlier politicians cannot win.

Give plenty of notice and everyone goes mad shopping, eating out etc before restrictions come in.

Give little notice and everyone moans , opposition parties shout poor organisation

In our Spanish province we now have a rule “ cafes and bars can be open till 10.30 but no alcohol to be served between 6 pm and 8 pm” Plenty of debate about ordering three rounds at 5.55 and so on. Police here do enforce the rules with big fines for customer and bar operator.

Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 20 December 2020, 11:58:13
I am somewhat confused that, being in the very suddenly created Tier 4, I am no longer allowed to see my family at Christmas time, with less than a week's notice - but, in the same Tier 4, "places of communal worship" are allowed to continue opening and functioning?

It's not meant to be derogatory at all, I just don't understand it. I can't meet the three or four people closest to me, but, I could still go to a church / synagogue / mosque, with 100+ people in it, and that's ok?

It's actually very simple.. if you get off the outrage bus and apply a little common sense ...

Your visitors at home will be in an enclosed space, will hug and kiss and move around, and you will be in close proximity for a length of time ... ie .. you risk spreading the virus between you by personal contact.

In the place of worship, which is much larger, there are strict rules on "social distancing", "one way systems" and sanitising stations ....  you are there to pray and not converse with others, you remain distanced and the time limit is short .. the risk of transmision of virus is therefore much lower...

It's the same stupid argument about going to a restaurant versus a wedding reception ....  I can attend a restaruant with my wife, have a nice meal and leave, and the ONLY person I converse with is the one waitress. ........how many weddings have you been to where you speak to no-one ?? NONE .. everyone wants to speak/dance/converse .. it is the whole "social" purpose of going to the wedding .. to see relatives you haven't seen for a while ...

I really do wonder what has happened to common sense these past few months ....  The government is being blamed for "spreading" the virus .... pretty imposible actually... the government has given the virus to no-one.... as it is spread by personal contact between human beings ... YOU and ME ....

Stay away from other people and you don't catch or spread the virus .....  seeemples

Once again a very sensible and common sense explanation of the facts Entwood, and great advice from you   :-* :-*:y :y :y :y

Sorry to hear of your losses close to you :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 20 December 2020, 12:12:48
I can sympathise with that. My wife has health issues which are getting her down at the moment and she was really looking forward to our son ( her little Prince) being home at Christmas for the last time before he becomes a married man next year.
Its been taken away today, and Im working 12 hours Christmas day, so she will be home alone until 8pm.
She was in tears about it when Boris announcef it, but what can you do but suck it up.
The situation with your Mum sounds very different though. If I were in your shoes I dont know what I would do tbh.
I cant say I wouldnt be tempted to do what you were talking about - see her, but use common sense at the same time.

The thing that put our situation in perspective is that we heard a couple of days ago that a 60 year old woman, a mile from us, who we both worked with years ago, died from Covid.
What her husband and two kids will have to go through this Christmas doesnt bear thinking about, and doesnt leave us much of a right to moan about our situation.

Thanks for your reply, in all honesty I wish I hadn't said anything. I have said on many occasions, I should only participate in car related discussions, and this is a classic example of why I should probably stick to that.

Not that, even that, has much relevance anymore. How many of us own Omegas now?
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I do James!! :y :y :y

And like you I wonder many times about posting anything on here, but I will continue to make my feelings known, even if on hindsight they are as daft as some will tell me they are!! :-[ :-[ :-[   

I for one value your learned comments James so I think you should keep posting no matter what some may think, even if they are right!! ;D ;D ;D ;D

I look at it like this, if some of us do not post it will mean that the 'survivors' will have no new threads / postings to comment on.  That then is the end of democracy on the OOF!! :y :y :y :y

Happy Christmas and Peace to you! :y :y :y
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: TheBoy on 20 December 2020, 12:13:10
Common Sense suggests that nobody should mix with anyone else.  Though reality is this is not always possible.

If the government had to legislate for every conceivable variation, well, that would be unmanageable.  Trouble is, the British Public, as we know, are incredibly thick and, as has been stated, aim for the rules to be the target they must meet*.  And the authorities are pissing in the wind by trying to rely on the common sense of the populous.  Personally, I think all parts of the Great Britain (not sure on NI's current rules) have implemented the least restrictive rules possible given the circumstances, I think they do need tightening...   ...this new more infectious strain is clearly now everywhere, so I think everywhere should be a minimum of T3, and most places T4.

I'm in T2, in a commuter town, a few miles north is the T3 area spreading south from the midlands, and 1 mile south is T4.  Its a bit non sensical, as a significant proportion of people are mixing to what the rules allow.

Whilst I'm pretty confident if/when I catch it, I probably won't notice any more than the usual colds I get this time of year, it would be likely I would spread it to someone (directly or indirectly) who would not fare so well.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I do think the government has always been slow to respond.  For the current extra restrictions, this was obvious early last week when the numbers started to rise significantly.  Other than that, I think the government has done a reasonable job...   ...and the mainstream media has done an absolutely crap job, even by their pathetic standards.



*But these same people refuse to use the speed limits as a target, and drive at 15mph below them   >:(
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 20 December 2020, 12:16:20
I can honestly say these new rules will make no difference to me. I wasn't planning on mixing with anyone from outside my own household...until at least 2023....maybe 😄
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: TheBoy on 20 December 2020, 12:21:17
I can honestly say these new rules will make no difference to me. I wasn't planning on mixing with anyone from outside my own household...until at least 2023....maybe 😄
Is that because nobody likes you?
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 20 December 2020, 12:23:10
Common Sense suggests that nobody should mix with anyone else.  Though reality is this is not always possible.

If the government had to legislate for every conceivable variation, well, that would be unmanageable.  Trouble is, the British Public, as we know, are incredibly thick and, as has been stated, aim for the rules to be the target they must meet*.  And the authorities are pissing in the wind by trying to rely on the common sense of the populous.  Personally, I think all parts of the Great Britain (not sure on NI's current rules) have implemented the least restrictive rules possible given the circumstances, I think they do need tightening...   ...this new more infectious strain is clearly now everywhere, so I think everywhere should be a minimum of T3, and most places T4.

I'm in T2, in a commuter town, a few miles north is the T3 area spreading south from the midlands, and 1 mile south is T4.  Its a bit non sensical, as a significant proportion of people are mixing to what the rules allow.

Whilst I'm pretty confident if/when I catch it, I probably won't notice any more than the usual colds I get this time of year, it would be likely I would spread it to someone (directly or indirectly) who would not fare so well.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I do think the government has always been slow to respond.  For the current extra restrictions, this was obvious early last week when the numbers started to rise significantly.  Other than that, I think the government has done a reasonable job...   ...and the mainstream media has done an absolutely crap job, even by their pathetic standards.



*But these same people refuse to use the speed limits as a target, and drive at 15mph below them   >:(

Yes, indeed TB, over many years now many of us have been complaining about the "Nanny State" and how we are being controlled by the government of the day and not allowed to make our own decisions.

Now this IS the time for a complete, absolute Nanny State to exist, even an autocratic one, to protect the many stupid people from themselves.  How can the government trust people to "do the right thing" and use common sense when they constantly fail to do that in normal times, let alone now!

It is interesting how the Western democratic world has been so badly affected compared to what we know has been the case in the autocratic countries.  It is down to democratic "Freedoms" that normally are a good thing, but NOT NOW.  We need state control, with our leader telling us clearly, and laying down the law, about what we should not do with war time like legal enforcement.  That way it will protect us from ourselves and save thousands of lives. ;)

Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 20 December 2020, 12:24:42
I can honestly say these new rules will make no difference to me. I wasn't planning on mixing with anyone from outside my own household...until at least 2023....maybe 😄
Is that because nobody likes you?
Tother way round, fat arse!


😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 20 December 2020, 12:26:18
Common Sense suggests that nobody should mix with anyone else.  Though reality is this is not always possible.

If the government had to legislate for every conceivable variation, well, that would be unmanageable.  Trouble is, the British Public, as we know, are incredibly thick and, as has been stated, aim for the rules to be the target they must meet*.  And the authorities are pissing in the wind by trying to rely on the common sense of the populous.  Personally, I think all parts of the Great Britain (not sure on NI's current rules) have implemented the least restrictive rules possible given the circumstances, I think they do need tightening...   ...this new more infectious strain is clearly now everywhere, so I think everywhere should be a minimum of T3, and most places T4.

I'm in T2, in a commuter town, a few miles north is the T3 area spreading south from the midlands, and 1 mile south is T4.  Its a bit non sensical, as a significant proportion of people are mixing to what the rules allow.

Whilst I'm pretty confident if/when I catch it, I probably won't notice any more than the usual colds I get this time of year, it would be likely I would spread it to someone (directly or indirectly) who would not fare so well.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I do think the government has always been slow to respond.  For the current extra restrictions, this was obvious early last week when the numbers started to rise significantly.  Other than that, I think the government has done a reasonable job...   ...and the mainstream media has done an absolutely crap job, even by their pathetic standards.



*But these same people refuse to use the speed limits as a target, and drive at 15mph below them   >:(

Yes, indeed TB, over many years now many of us have been complaining about the "Nanny State" and how we are being controlled by the government of the day and not allowed to make our own decisions.

Now this IS the time for a complete, absolute Nanny State to exist, even an autocratic one, to protect the many stupid people from themselves.  How can the government trust people to "do the right thing" and use common sense when they constantly fail to do that in normal times, let alone now!

It is interesting how the Western democratic world has been so badly affected compared to what we know has been the case in the autocratic countries.  It is down to democratic "Freedoms" that normally are a good thing, but NOT NOW.  We need state control, with our leader telling us clearly, and laying down the law, about what we should not do.  That way it will protect us from ourselves and save thousands of lives. ;)
Tiny little electronic chips, hidden in the vaccine, that control our minds, that's what we need.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: TheBoy on 20 December 2020, 12:33:07
I can honestly say these new rules will make no difference to me. I wasn't planning on mixing with anyone from outside my own household...until at least 2023....maybe 😄
Is that because nobody likes you?
Tother way round, fat arse!


😂😂😂😂
Are you saying my arse looks big in this?
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: TheBoy on 20 December 2020, 12:33:33
Tiny little electronic chips, hidden in the vaccine, that control our minds, that's what we need.
Activated by the 5G network....
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: YZ250 on 20 December 2020, 12:40:46
........
Once again a very sensible and common sense explanation of the facts Entwood, and great advice from you   :-* :-*:y :y :y :y

Sorry to hear of your losses close to you :'( :'( :'(

Lizzie, as far as I know Royal Wootton Bassett is still in Tier 2, so which part of Entwood's criteria falls in to Tier 2 to allow his daughter (who has a partner) to visit. We are in Tier 2 and haven't been in either of our children's houses as per the rules. Its a heartbreaking time for all of us but people's interpretation of the rules vary, especially where single people are concerned. If I've got it wrong then I apologise but I thought the response regarding the 'outrage bus' was aimed at James, and I feel for the guy.  We all have reasons to feel disgruntled but, as you say, we need to stay safe.
Not intended to offend, so apologies up front if it has. (I refuse to use emojis until the normal emojis return)
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 December 2020, 12:50:18
I dont care about protecting stupid people from themselves. Its not the Govt,s job to do that. Its Darwinisms role to thin out and replenish the gene pool.
I do care though about protecting decent sensible people from the terminally stupid, and unfortunately the govt has to either do that job, or allow the rest of us to shoot stupid people as and when we encounter them.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 20 December 2020, 12:50:59
I believe you're supposed to get a test if things start tasting or smelling funny. Wife is off for two weeks now, so I'd better keep her away from the kitchen or I'll be going for a test every day.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 December 2020, 12:51:06
Common Sense suggests that nobody should mix with anyone else.  Though reality is this is not always possible.

If the government had to legislate for every conceivable variation, well, that would be unmanageable.  Trouble is, the British Public, as we know, are incredibly thick and, as has been stated, aim for the rules to be the target they must meet*.  And the authorities are pissing in the wind by trying to rely on the common sense of the populous.  Personally, I think all parts of the Great Britain (not sure on NI's current rules) have implemented the least restrictive rules possible given the circumstances, I think they do need tightening...   ...this new more infectious strain is clearly now everywhere, so I think everywhere should be a minimum of T3, and most places T4.

I'm in T2, in a commuter town, a few miles north is the T3 area spreading south from the midlands, and 1 mile south is T4.  Its a bit non sensical, as a significant proportion of people are mixing to what the rules allow.

Whilst I'm pretty confident if/when I catch it, I probably won't notice any more than the usual colds I get this time of year, it would be likely I would spread it to someone (directly or indirectly) who would not fare so well.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I do think the government has always been slow to respond.  For the current extra restrictions, this was obvious early last week when the numbers started to rise significantly.  Other than that, I think the government has done a reasonable job...   ...and the mainstream media has done an absolutely crap job, even by their pathetic standards.



*But these same people refuse to use the speed limits as a target, and drive at 15mph below them   >:(

Yes, indeed TB, over many years now many of us have been complaining about the "Nanny State" and how we are being controlled by the government of the day and not allowed to make our own decisions.

Now this IS the time for a complete, absolute Nanny State to exist, even an autocratic one, to protect the many stupid people from themselves.  How can the government trust people to "do the right thing" and use common sense when they constantly fail to do that in normal times, let alone now!

It is interesting how the Western democratic world has been so badly affected compared to what we know has been the case in the autocratic countries.  It is down to democratic "Freedoms" that normally are a good thing, but NOT NOW.  We need state control, with our leader telling us clearly, and laying down the law, about what we should not do with war time like legal enforcement.  That way it will protect us from ourselves and save thousands of lives. ;)
The trouble is, there are those in government or opposition who would impose such restrictions in such a way as to be irreversible.

And whilst you might argue that freedom (perceived or otherwise) is a luxury, losing what we have left isn't an option because once it's gone it will be to late to reclaim it.

The longer term choice seems to be carry on regardless or become mindless drones.

Not against the principle behind the restrictions, but we're leaning over a cliff with a very rickety guard rail.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 20 December 2020, 12:51:49
I can honestly say these new rules will make no difference to me. I wasn't planning on mixing with anyone from outside my own household...until at least 2023....maybe 😄

This will be the upside to' having no mates' :)
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 20 December 2020, 12:54:03
I can honestly say these new rules will make no difference to me. I wasn't planning on mixing with anyone from outside my own household...until at least 2023....maybe 😄

This will be the upside to' having no mates' :)
You have mates at school, after that they become an unnecessary nuisance. These days I don't fancy going the park or playing football in the street.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 December 2020, 12:54:49
Indeed, DG. Once the dust settles on this we as a country need to make sure the little bit of freedom we had left before it is returned completely.
Politicians love to have power over people for the sake of it, and it must be resisted.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 December 2020, 12:58:18
I can honestly say these new rules will make no difference to me. I wasn't planning on mixing with anyone from outside my own household...until at least 2023....maybe 😄

This will be the upside to' having no mates' :)
You have mates at school, after that they become an unnecessary nuisance. These days I don't fancy going the park or playing football in the street.

I tend to agree. I have one good mate a mile away who is in his 80,s so may not be a mate muc longer. Also have one really good mate in Norn Irn who I havent seen for over 5 years, and might never see again.
Im happy enough with this and dont want or need any more mates.
Experience has taught me that most of the "mates" Ive had are people who I have helped out time after time, but theres always a good reason why they cant reciprocate when Ive needed help.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 20 December 2020, 13:00:53
I can honestly say these new rules will make no difference to me. I wasn't planning on mixing with anyone from outside my own household...until at least 2023....maybe 😄

This will be the upside to' having no mates' :)
You have mates at school, after that they become an unnecessary nuisance. These days I don't fancy going the park or playing football in the street.

I tend to agree. I have one good mate a mile away who is in his 80,s so may not be a mate muc longer. Also have one really good mate in Norn Irn who I havent seen for over 5 years, and might never see again.
Im happy enough with this and dont want or need any more mates.
Experience has taught me that most of the "mates" Ive had are people who I have helped out time after time, but theres always a good reason why they cant reciprocate when Ive needed help.
Stop using words like 'reciprocate', or we'll think you've had the vaccine chip already. 😄
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 December 2020, 13:04:25
A better solution might be to keep everything open but contain areas. Seal off the cities from travel in and out and shut down passenger transport.

Lundun, Birmingham and Mancchester all have ring roads, so easily closed down.

That way, people can still retain some normality whilst not spreading Batflu across the country.

Likewise close the borders. No one in and no one out.

Make the ferries trailer only as well. Might actually speed things up a bit too.

Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 December 2020, 13:45:09
Ive been saying since Feb / Mar h we should have stopped anyone from coming into the country. Im sure it was already here, but could have been kept at a low level, contained, and dealt with.
Were an island for christs sake. We should have used the advantage of that.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 20 December 2020, 14:04:51
Common Sense suggests that nobody should mix with anyone else.  Though reality is this is not always possible.

If the government had to legislate for every conceivable variation, well, that would be unmanageable.  Trouble is, the British Public, as we know, are incredibly thick and, as has been stated, aim for the rules to be the target they must meet*.  And the authorities are pissing in the wind by trying to rely on the common sense of the populous.  Personally, I think all parts of the Great Britain (not sure on NI's current rules) have implemented the least restrictive rules possible given the circumstances, I think they do need tightening...   ...this new more infectious strain is clearly now everywhere, so I think everywhere should be a minimum of T3, and most places T4.

I'm in T2, in a commuter town, a few miles north is the T3 area spreading south from the midlands, and 1 mile south is T4.  Its a bit non sensical, as a significant proportion of people are mixing to what the rules allow.

Whilst I'm pretty confident if/when I catch it, I probably won't notice any more than the usual colds I get this time of year, it would be likely I would spread it to someone (directly or indirectly) who would not fare so well.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I do think the government has always been slow to respond.  For the current extra restrictions, this was obvious early last week when the numbers started to rise significantly.  Other than that, I think the government has done a reasonable job...   ...and the mainstream media has done an absolutely crap job, even by their pathetic standards.



*But these same people refuse to use the speed limits as a target, and drive at 15mph below them   >:(

Yes, indeed TB, over many years now many of us have been complaining about the "Nanny State" and how we are being controlled by the government of the day and not allowed to make our own decisions.

Now this IS the time for a complete, absolute Nanny State to exist, even an autocratic one, to protect the many stupid people from themselves.  How can the government trust people to "do the right thing" and use common sense when they constantly fail to do that in normal times, let alone now!

It is interesting how the Western democratic world has been so badly affected compared to what we know has been the case in the autocratic countries.  It is down to democratic "Freedoms" that normally are a good thing, but NOT NOW.  We need state control, with our leader telling us clearly, and laying down the law, about what we should not do with war time like legal enforcement.  That way it will protect us from ourselves and save thousands of lives. ;)
The trouble is, there are those in government or opposition who would impose such restrictions in such a way as to be irreversible.

And whilst you might argue that freedom (perceived or otherwise) is a luxury, losing what we have left isn't an option because once it's gone it will be to late to reclaim it.

The longer term choice seems to be carry on regardless or become mindless drones.

Not against the principle behind the restrictions, but we're leaning over a cliff with a very rickety guard rail.

Yes, I take that point on board entirely and agree DG. :y

However I think our democracy is strong enough to modify itself when necessary, as it did in WW2 to protect the nation, but then rebound to it's full strengths for us all afterwards.  As long as we do not become a police state then we, I believe, will always have people around strong enough to fight for our freedoms, and not end up like poor Hong Kong dragged against the will of the majority into the Chinese autocracy / dictatorship. Our history would seem to suggest we have the depth of experience as a people to understand the worth of our freedoms, but also understand we have to take on the responsibility of limiting those benefits in the interests of the nation and those who live here. ;)
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 December 2020, 14:19:37
Life is very, very different to 1945, and we're already past George Orwell's take on the future.

Don’t doubt for a second that once those who would seize control do so, that they will waste any time removing democratic process and with it, accountability.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 20 December 2020, 14:22:09
Nah.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 20 December 2020, 15:59:34
Life is very, very different to 1945, and we're already past George Orwell's take on the future.

Don’t doubt for a second that once those who would seize control do so, that they will waste any time removing democratic process and with it, accountability.

Since Germany did that after 1933, all fully democratic nations have parliamentary restrictions in place to stop that happening without it being very obvious to the contemporary opposition parties and the peoples, especially with the very vocal media we have now that even autocratic countries like China cannot escape. ;)
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 December 2020, 16:29:23
The very vocal media?  ;D

Global social media is fundamentally owned by Facebook.

Mainstream media is largely pushing a left leaning narrative often at odds with what is actually happening.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 December 2020, 16:33:19
No need to remove Parliamentary Democracy. Just have two parties which are fundamentally the same as one another.
In some respects we arent actually a million miles from there, now that Corbyn has been pushed out of Labour.
Labour isnt a particularly Socialist party any more, and the Tories are anything but Conservative.
They both dance on the head of a pin in what is perceived as the centre ground (which is actually quite far to the left of centre now), magnify their differences and argue about them.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: TheBoy on 20 December 2020, 17:07:32
If I was in charge, I'd reduce the numbers by massively reducing the population of this overcrowded rock, especially in England.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 December 2020, 17:17:21
My suggestion for the conurbations would probably achieve that result without having everyone sitting at home waiting for summat to happen...
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: ronnyd on 20 December 2020, 17:18:03
I'm in a very similar position to you James. My mother is now receiving end of life care at home with the help of a live in care (a lovely lady from Zimbabwe via Southend). This will most certainly be her last Christmas. The only saving grace for me is that she is only 20 miles away so visiting isn't much of a problem. I'm not sure if i'm breaking any of the new rules with this or not though.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 December 2020, 17:22:26
I'm in a very similar position to you James. My mother is now receiving end of life care at home with the help of a live in care (a lovely lady from Zimbabwe via Southend). This will most certainly be her last Christmas. The only saving grace for me is that she is only 20 miles away so visiting isn't much of a problem. I'm not sure if i'm breaking any of the new rules with this or not though.
Arguably, if the only other time you leave the house is for essentials and the other person you speak to is the checkout person, visiting is completely reasonable. Under the circumstances.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: ronnyd on 20 December 2020, 17:33:18
I'm in a very similar position to you James. My mother is now receiving end of life care at home with the help of a live in care (a lovely lady from Zimbabwe via Southend). This will most certainly be her last Christmas. The only saving grace for me is that she is only 20 miles away so visiting isn't much of a problem. I'm not sure if i'm breaking any of the new rules with this or not though.
Arguably, if the only other time you leave the house is for essentials and the other person you speak to is the checkout person, visiting is completely reasonable. Under the circumstances.
Yes DG, that was my justification, i am no longer seeing my daughter or the grandkids at the moment by mutual agreement. Just do basic shopping now and bike rides. SWMBO is shielding as normal.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 December 2020, 18:38:25
https://youtu.be/EopbZ7qh-xs

 :-X
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: BazaJT on 20 December 2020, 18:58:59
My Christmas will be pretty much like Stemos',only there is no swmbo nor any kids living at home so it'll be much like every other day just me and the dog and all the better for it 8)
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 20 December 2020, 19:05:03
Just been and collected my lad from uni, dropping his teary eyed girlfriend off at the bus station on the way to Doncaster airport. Poor girl won't get home (Romania) till 3am, but at least she will be with her family.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 20 December 2020, 20:40:04
I'd be crying if I was flying with Bryanair too...
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 20 December 2020, 21:16:12
She's on the plane, thank goodness. Poor girl was worried she might be stuck here for the duration. Let's hope her parents don't lock her in the wood shed for 14 days  ;D
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Varche on 20 December 2020, 22:10:52
Cobra meeting on Monday regarding lack of movement between Europe and UK crisis.

Wonder if there will be stripping supermarket shelves starts? Lettuce rationing anyone?
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: dave the builder on 20 December 2020, 22:21:44
who want's my ration of Lettuce then  :D
of all the things that we import ,salad I'm not worried about .
plus we can grow it here in the long term
IIRC potatoes are imported to supplement our crop
so chips could well go up in price  :o
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: BazaJT on 20 December 2020, 23:11:31
In the normal run of things I was due to do this months shopping this coming week,however to avoid the Christmas crush I did it the week just gone so I'm all set until at least the middle of next month.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 20 December 2020, 23:58:06
We are due to do Christmas food shop on Weds. when I have a day off work. We,ll belucky to find a chicken drumstick never mind a fickin Turkey.  ::)
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: ronnyd on 21 December 2020, 11:26:57
SWMBO has (unwittingly) been filling the freezer up over the last few weeks. Christmas dinner could be ....er, interesting. :o
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 22 December 2020, 20:24:12
One of the funniest things I've seen for a while was the BBC news crew interviewing people about Boris 'cancelling Christmas' yesterday.

One bloke said to them " What a touch!  I was supposed to be going to the mother-in-laws... "  ;D
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: STEMO on 22 December 2020, 20:25:58
One of the funniest things I've seen for a while was the BBC news crew interviewing people about Boris 'cancelling Christmas' yesterday.

One bloke said to them " What a touch!  I was supposed to be going to the mother-in-laws... "  ;D
Saw him on the news, a real cockney diamond geezah.  ;D
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Post by: dave the builder on 22 December 2020, 20:29:32
the start of a new Christmas tradition
Covid securely throwing Christmas presents down the drive at each other  ;D
hope no one brought me the Chef's knives i wanted  ::)
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: BazaJT on 22 December 2020, 20:43:39
A neighbour told me this morning that one of her sons was picking her up about one o'clock to take her to London to another sons for Christmas.When I queried if this was still allowed under the new rules she merrily replied yes as they were part of her support "bubble"! She's 85 yrs old and still gets out and about without any kind of walking aids.She's either braver or more foolish than I am as there's no way I'd be going to London just now.
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: dave the builder on 22 December 2020, 21:01:36
It's a good way for the son's to get their inheritance early i guess  :-\
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 22 December 2020, 22:23:58
She's clearly lived through worse ;)
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: TheBoy on 23 December 2020, 11:13:50
A neighbour told me this morning that one of her sons was picking her up about one o'clock to take her to London to another sons for Christmas.When I queried if this was still allowed under the new rules she merrily replied yes as they were part of her support "bubble"! She's 85 yrs old and still gets out and about without any kind of walking aids.She's either braver or more foolish than I am as there's no way I'd be going to London just now.
As I'm sure my boss will readily confirm, I never wanted to go into Londonium long before the sniffle thing ;D.  Trouble is, the bully makes me :(
Title: Re: Boris is on telly...
Post by: TheBoy on 23 December 2020, 11:15:45
She's clearly lived through worse ;)
But only as a child possibly not fully aware of the dangers of war, and I'm not sure North Lincs really saw too much of the horrors...

Clearly, she aint got all her dogs on one lead.