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https://youtu.be/iFADopBnb_U
Perhaps the most sensible thing he has said this year...
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Makes you wonder why he never used that scriptwriter before.
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Is he talking about the same 'very special people'?
Looks like he is throwing them under the bus. ::)
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Hypocrite
Nothing more, nothing less.
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He is indeed, although the list of politicians who arent is a very short one. :)
The difference with him has always been that he is a far too unsophisticated liar to be a professional Politician.
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His best option at this point might be to resign, citing whatever reasons he wants. That way he can escape the Capitol problem and avoid the inauguration. With less than two weeks to go, what difference would it make.
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And now the @realDonaldTrump twitter has gone west/south. So it must be over.
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Perhaps he will have a dose of the virus again & find that an excuse to wriggle out of things, or maybe a fanatic will wipe him out the good old American way with a bullet , will make a great film especially if it's one of his own staff 😃😃😃
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And now the @realDonaldTrump twitter has gone west/south. So it must be over.
If by 'it' you mean freedom of speech, then yes.
This is pay back for him vetoing an extension of Article 230 which would have made Twitter, Facebook and Google significantly less powerful.
Googles response was to remove Parler from the App store... The only reason that Parler exists is because YouTube started dictating content. And that was only because CNN were getting less hits than the likes of Steven Crowder and The Daily Wire. :-X
There's something going on, and Trump is the least of it.
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I agree. It very worrying.
I dont get the incitement argument either, unless Ive missed something. To my knowledge he called on his supporters to go on a protest march. Nothing more nothing less. :-\
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Freedom of speech is touted as a right. But rights come with inherent responsibilities. Twitter/Facebook/etc as private companies don't have to allow themselves to be used as political platforms, although if they are going to claim that as apolicy they should have banned him about 3 years ago.
As for the incitement, did you see the speech? What did you expect to happen when he told his supporters to march on the Capitol, seat of the government he is head of? That they'd all stand around drinking lattes and admiring each others Trump merchandise? What about the bit where he promised he'd be with them, but instead retreated from behind the bulletproof shield and went back to the White House? The following speeches were no better, full of questionable support and veiled threats, although the second one was clearly written by somebody else; somebody with a decent grasp of English
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All rights come with responsibilities, or at least should do. If idiotter , Faecesbook etc. want to ban people from using their sites as political platforms, they should ban all such use.
Otherwise we end up in the pretty dangerous territory we have now arrived at.
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Won’t be long before he has his own social media platform.
He would have about 80 million and two users from day one.
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Won’t be long before he has his own social media platform.
He would have about 80 million and two users from day one.
He's back on Twitter. Tonald Drump introduced himself saying "Hi, I'm new on twitter and looking to make new friends" ;D
A picture of Donald with a moustache kind of gives it away.
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Won’t be long before he has his own social media platform.
He would have about 80 million and two users from day one.
But he would still complain about the other 8 million users stolen from him by a self-aware computer designed by the radical socialists of Bora Bora.
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Nutjob, now got to the stage where I don't really care what Donald does, always said he was " entertaining" ( totally insane) had enough of hearing about him now , so time to call it a day for me on Mr Trump.
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Freedom of speech is touted as a right. But rights come with inherent responsibilities. Twitter/Facebook/etc as private companies don't have to allow themselves to be used as political platforms, although if they are going to claim that as apolicy they should have banned him about 3 years ago.
As for the incitement, did you see the speech? What did you expect to happen when he told his supporters to march on the Capitol, seat of the government he is head of? That they'd all stand around drinking lattes and admiring each others Trump merchandise? What about the bit where he promised he'd be with them, but instead retreated from behind the bulletproof shield and went back to the White House? The following speeches were no better, full of questionable support and veiled threats, although the second one was clearly written by somebody else; somebody with a decent grasp of English
There's undisputed footage of the following:
1. The Police actively opened the barriers and ushered the crowd towards the Capitol.
2. Several of the people filmed trashing artifacts have been identified as front row Antifa activists, clearly the same people with the same tattoos/distinctive features.
3. Known BLM and Antifa activists have been arrested in the aftermath having been identified inside the Capitol.
4. The Mayor of Washington DC, the same person who renamed key streets in honour of BLM, deliberately requested a low key Metropolitan Police presence leaving the defence of the building to the Capitol Police and Secret Service agents inside.
Not saying that Trump didn't plant the seed, but if 200,00+ rednecks wanted to storm the place and kill the entire government or burn the place down, do you not think that would have happened?
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And then you have power crazed loons like Pelosi trying to undertake a coup...
https://youtu.be/j2TUNlvJpo0
And people say Trump is insane. Be careful what you wish for :-X
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And then you have power crazed loons like Pelosi trying to undertake a coup...
https://youtu.be/j2TUNlvJpo0
And people say Trump is insane. Be careful what you wish for :-X
They not only wished for, they got. Trump out, Biden in. :)
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DG please don't fall for the XRVision nonsense -
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/antifa-facial-recognition-capitol/
FWIW, I think the US (more than ever) needs a respectable and effective government opposition to be in place. Trump isn't it and the GOP needs to get itself sorted out very quickly.
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I expect there were a few there who just like to join in a riot what ever it's about. ::)
I've seen reports (with photos) that the smiling fella who was carrying Nancy Pelosi's lectern was at BLM marches/riots in the summer. He's since been arrested and wasn't smiling in his mugshot! :D
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I see that Trump has ordered Mike Pompeo to announce that the US will recognise Taiwan as an independent country. This is obviously to annoy the Chinese and will last about 14 days until Biden normalises the situation.
I don't know if Trump is actually insane, but he definitely has not got any skills in governance at all. He is acting like a pathetic spoiled child who has had his dummy taken from him. Before the election I disliked him intensely, I wasn't/am not that interested in American politics, I just disliked him as a person. Now I hate the t**t, and I think I would happy if he met a sticky end.
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I have little interest in him at all tbh. I thought he was mildly amusing because the establishment had a pink fit when the voters had the audacity to elect him. Pretty much the same as they did in this country when the voters didnt listen and voted he wrong way on Brexit.
I do loathe Pelosi though. I think she is a hateful and hideous little poison dwarf who has most of the characteristics I despise in a person.
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So, Trump and Pelosi, in a cage, both armed with guns and knives. ;D
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DG please don't fall for the XRVision nonsense -
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/antifa-facial-recognition-capitol/
FWIW, I think the US (more than ever) needs a respectable and effective government opposition to be in place. Trump isn't it and the GOP needs to get itself sorted out very quickly.
The fat beardy bloke, by his own admission isn't a Trump supporter and was only there for nefarious reasons...
No mention of the crisply dressed man who, were it not for the red baseball cap and jacket, looked to be from A N Other agency who seemed to be organising people using the yellow rope to scale the wall at one end of the terrace. His shades, the way he was dressed, specifically the way he wore his cap and the chinos and the walkie talkie, and the way he moved screamed Federal Agent. And he wasn't helping people down the rope...
I watched that happen on a live feed at the time, probably ten minutesor so prior to Thomas Moretti* giving an interview to a PBS crew outside.
*The bloke in the blue and white top next to Ashli Babbitt when she was shot.
And no reporting of those trying to stop unnecessary damage, ie windows above doors that were being breached (breaking a window ten feet off the ground above a door that's open is nothing more than vandalism for vandalisms sake.).
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DG please don't fall for the XRVision nonsense -
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/antifa-facial-recognition-capitol/
FWIW, I think the US (more than ever) needs a respectable and effective government opposition to be in place. Trump isn't it and the GOP needs to get itself sorted out very quickly.
The fat beardy bloke, by his own admission isn't a Trump supporter and was only there for nefarious reasons...
No mention of the crisply dressed man who, were it not for the red baseball cap and jacket, looked to be from A N Other agency who seemed to be organising people using the yellow rope to scale the wall at one end of the terrace. His shades, the way he was dressed, specifically the way he wore his cap and the chinos and the walkie talkie, and the way he moved screamed Federal Agent. And he wasn't helping people down the rope...
I watched that happen on a live feed at the time, probably ten minutesor so prior to Thomas Moretti* giving an interview to a PBS crew outside.
*The bloke in the blue and white top next to Ashli Babbitt when she was shot.
And no reporting of those trying to stop unnecessary damage, ie windows above doors that were being breached (breaking a window ten feet off the ground above a door that's open is nothing more than vandalism for vandalisms sake.).
Have you got a boobtube conspiracy theorist to back you up on that? ;D ;D ;D
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So, Trump and Pelosi, in a cage, both armed with guns and knives. ;D
I could watch that. It would be a short, scrappy fight though.
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I see that Trump has ordered Mike Pompeo to announce that the US will recognise Taiwan as an independent country. This is obviously to annoy the Chinese and will last about 14 days until Biden normalises the situation.
I don't know if Trump is actually insane, but he definitely has not got any skills in governance at all. He is acting like a pathetic spoiled child who has had his dummy taken from him. Before the election I disliked him intensely, I wasn't/am not that interested in American politics, I just disliked him as a person. Now I hate the t**t, and I think I would happy if he met a sticky end.
I seem to remember this being called Formosa when I went to school. :-\
I must be even older than I think I am. :-X
As for Trump being insane.......he described himself as a 'stable genius' :)
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As for Trump being insane.......he described himself as a 'stable genius' :)
He's comparing himself to what you normally find in stables: horses and rodents
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As for Trump being insane.......he described himself as a 'stable genius' :)
He's comparing himself to what you normally find in stables: horses and rodents
;D
I did always wonder how he reached that conclusion. Thanks for clarifying. :y
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Parler/Amazon and Bedminster/PGA is predictable - commercial brands trying to prevent themselves being hit by the fallout
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Parler/Amazon and Bedminster/PGA is predictable - commercial brands trying to prevent themselves being hit by the fallout
I think that the post Trump 'bloodletting' will make the Salem witch hunts and McCarthyism look like child's play. ::)
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I am thinking that too.
Saw a Trump supporter this morning on bbc world news saying “ it aint gonna happen” referring to Biden being sworn in on the 20th. Not sure what she knows that we don’t!
Biden, or whoever the president is later this month has a lot of work to do on Foreign policy. China, Iran and North Korea for starters. I dare say Putin is waiting for the starting gun too.
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Little rocket man has already announced he intends to accelerate his quest for a collection of nuclear toys.
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Parler/Amazon and Bedminster/PGA is predictable - commercial brands trying to prevent themselves being hit by the fallout
I think that the post Trump 'bloodletting' will make the Salem witch hunts and McCarthyism look like child's play. ::)
People are rushing to distance themselves from the Trump brand:
Trump National stripped of 2022 US PGA Championship https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/55615022
Trumps turn of phrase must be catching, one of his representatives said they have a 'beautiful relationship' with the PGA.
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I am thinking that too.
Saw a Trump supporter this morning on bbc world news saying “ it aint gonna happen” referring to Biden being sworn in on the 20th. Not sure what she knows that we don’t!
Meanwhile, THIS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79MWfb04eak)is happening. Which amused the shit out of me ;D
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Whilst in it's own right it's slightly amusing, they are singling out people who happened to attend the rally and subsequent march even if they didn't actually approach the building.
It's not a big stretch to restricting people based on how they are registered to vote.
Imagine being banned from leaving Chatham because you did/didn't vote for Brexit? Or do/don't have an Amazon or Facebook account? Or might once have bought something from a business that did/didn't support a particular ideal?
Because that's where this is going... :-X
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Whilst in it's own right it's slightly amusing, they are singling out people who happened to attend the rally and subsequent march even if they didn't actually approach the building.
It's not a big stretch to restricting people based on how they are registered to vote.
Imagine being banned from leaving Chatham because you did/didn't vote for Brexit? Or do/don't have an Amazon or Facebook account? Or might once have bought something from a business that did/didn't support a particular ideal?
Because that's where this is going... :-X
Absolute crap.
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Time will tell.
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Time will tell.
Yeah, we waited till 6th January for you to shut up about Trump, you could harp on about this shite for years.
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Whilst in it's own right it's slightly amusing, they are singling out people who happened to attend the rally and subsequent march even if they didn't actually approach the building.
It's not a big stretch to restricting people based on how they are registered to vote.
Imagine being banned from leaving Chatham because you did/didn't vote for Brexit? Or do/don't have an Amazon or Facebook account? Or might once have bought something from a business that did/didn't support a particular ideal?
Because that's where this is going... :-X
Trump is a 'Grade A knob' no getting away from that, but Al has a point. People on the left in the USA (which will now dominate ) will see all Trump voters as dangerous, ignorant bigots.
They may be refused jobs in they voted for Trump. They may not be allowed to fly if they wear a MAGA hat.
The same can happen here with Brexit, with many 'woke' white liberals branding all Brexit voters as thick uneducated racists who need to be educated.
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Whilst in it's own right it's slightly amusing, they are singling out people who happened to attend the rally and subsequent march even if they didn't actually approach the building.
It's not a big stretch to restricting people based on how they are registered to vote.
Imagine being banned from leaving Chatham because you did/didn't vote for Brexit? Or do/don't have an Amazon or Facebook account? Or might once have bought something from a business that did/didn't support a particular ideal?
Because that's where this is going... :-X
Trump is a 'Grade A knob' no getting away from that, but Al has a point. People on the left in the USA (which will now dominate ) will see all Trump voters as dangerous, ignorant bigots.
They may be refused jobs in they voted for Trump. They may not be allowed to fly if they wear a MAGA hat.
The same can happen here with Brexit, with many 'woke' white liberals branding all Brexit voters as thick uneducated racists who need to be educated.
Then again, they may not. I appreciate that you're starting to watch a lot of YouTube too, but try sticking to facts instead of conjecture.
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I thought I misheard Arnie Schwarzenegger for a minute there. He said 'Trump will soon be gone, and will be as irrelevant as an old tweet'. ;D
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Educated liberals both here and in the USA tend to believe Trump and his supporters align politically with Farage and Brexit supporters.
The BBC just loves to portray all remain voters as educated 'deep thinking' intelligent individuals. The very same BBC goes out of it's way to find the most bigoted knuckle-dragging 'brexiteers' and then mock them. The BBC bias is obvious.
The same applies with Trump supporters in the US. This intellectual bias is not really a problem if the numbers are small, but 17.4 million voted for Brexit, and 75 million voted for Trump, and if these people are dismissed as neanderthals there may well be consequences.
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Educated liberals both here and in the USA tend to believe Trump and his supporters align politically with Farage and Brexit supporters.
The BBC just loves to portray all remain voters as educated 'deep thinking' intelligent individuals. The very same BBC goes out of it's way to find the most bigoted knuckle-dragging 'brexiteers' and then mock them. The BBC bias is obvious.
The same applies with Trump supporters in the US. This intellectual bias is not really a problem if the numbers are small, but 17.4 million voted for Brexit, and 75 million voted for Trump, and if these people are dismissed as neanderthals there may well be consequences.
Where are you getting this shite from? I don't believe particularly like the bbc, but I've never heard that being said, nor have I got that impression. And who, exactly, is dismissing Trump supporters as Neanderthal? Where is your evidence? I'll tell you where, in your head.
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Educated liberals both here and in the USA tend to believe Trump and his supporters align politically with Farage and Brexit supporters.
The BBC just loves to portray all remain voters as educated 'deep thinking' intelligent individuals. The very same BBC goes out of it's way to find the most bigoted knuckle-dragging 'brexiteers' and then mock them. The BBC bias is obvious.
The same applies with Trump supporters in the US. This intellectual bias is not really a problem if the numbers are small, but 17.4 million voted for Brexit, and 75 million voted for Trump, and if these people are dismissed as neanderthals there may well be consequences.
Where are you getting this shite from? I don't believe particularly like the bbc, but I've never heard that being said, nor have I got that impression. And who, exactly, is dismissing Trump supporters as Neanderthal? Where is your evidence? I'll tell you where, in your head.
I'm afraid if you can't see the MSM bias, and the BBC in particular, then they already have you.
While the 2016-2020 Brexit episode was ongoing do you really think the BBC was even handed and objective. Of course it wasn't........it was unapologetically for remain. ;D
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Educated liberals both here and in the USA tend to believe Trump and his supporters align politically with Farage and Brexit supporters.
The BBC just loves to portray all remain voters as educated 'deep thinking' intelligent individuals. The very same BBC goes out of it's way to find the most bigoted knuckle-dragging 'brexiteers' and then mock them. The BBC bias is obvious.
The same applies with Trump supporters in the US. This intellectual bias is not really a problem if the numbers are small, but 17.4 million voted for Brexit, and 75 million voted for Trump, and if these people are dismissed as neanderthals there may well be consequences.
Where are you getting this shite from? I don't believe particularly like the bbc, but I've never heard that being said, nor have I got that impression. And who, exactly, is dismissing Trump supporters as Neanderthal? Where is your evidence? I'll tell you where, in your head.
I'm afraid if you can't see the MSM bias, and the BBC in particular, then they already have you.
While the 2016-2020 Brexit episode was ongoing do you really think the BBC was even handed and objective. Of course it wasn't........it was unapologetically for remain. ;D
I can see the bias, and have complained loudly about it in the past, but I certainly don't see it to the extent you do. Then again, I don't spend my time trawling YouTube for BLM conspiracy theories and the like. Remember your last foray into this? The one where you believed the subtitle text that turned out to be utter bollix. Amen. ;D
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Whilst in it's own right it's slightly amusing, they are singling out people who happened to attend the rally and subsequent march even if they didn't actually approach the building.
It's not a big stretch to restricting people based on how they are registered to vote.
Imagine being banned from leaving Chatham because you did/didn't vote for Brexit? Or do/don't have an Amazon or Facebook account? Or might once have bought something from a business that did/didn't support a particular ideal?
Because that's where this is going... :-X
That's a real stretch.
Adults should be required to vote. Everybody who understands the process accepts that there's a bloody good chance they won't like the result. I think Brexit is a mistake for a number of reasons, and voted against it. One of those reasons was that nobody who promoted the idea had any idea of what to expect during and after, let alone a plan to achieve their dreams.
What happened to that idiot is a direct result of America's emotional clamour for the Patriot Act and Homeland Security Agency: identify threats and track them. Being part of a mob invading the seat of government immediately after being told to do so by their leader?/figurehead?/oppswit-in-chief is the definition of a specific threat. The HSA is currently picking the low hanging fruit; the idiots who were clearly identifiable or publicly admitting they were there. Some of them, like the elected officials and police who posted pics or video of their involvement, should be top of the list
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It's not the preserve of the BBC...
Sky are as bad (https://youtu.be/eSbbEVbTTnY)
The papers and most self important talking heads.
There's a reason why Pelosi is so keen to impeach Trump a week before he leaves office...
You won't see this in the MSM :-X (https://youtu.be/n2Ady3z-Xy8)
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That's got to be a YouTube link, I ain't lookin boy. ;D
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That's got to be a YouTube link, I ain't lookin boy. ;D
You should. They're hilarious - quality conspiracy nonsense from people too stupid to use use the 4" nails that are supposed to retain their tinfoil hats.
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Whilst in it's own right it's slightly amusing, they are singling out people who happened to attend the rally and subsequent march even if they didn't actually approach the building.
It's not a big stretch to restricting people based on how they are registered to vote.
Imagine being banned from leaving Chatham because you did/didn't vote for Brexit? Or do/don't have an Amazon or Facebook account? Or might once have bought something from a business that did/didn't support a particular ideal?
Because that's where this is going... :-X
That's a real stretch.
Adults should be required to vote. Everybody who understands the process accepts that there's a bloody good chance they won't like the result. I think Brexit is a mistake for a number of reasons, and voted against it. One of those reasons was that nobody who promoted the idea had any idea of what to expect during and after, let alone a plan to achieve their dreams.
What happened to that idiot is a direct result of America's emotional clamour for the Patriot Act and Homeland Security Agency: identify threats and track them. Being part of a mob invading the seat of government immediately after being told to do so by their leader?/figurehead?/oppswit-in-chief is the definition of a specific threat. The HSA is currently picking the low hanging fruit; the idiots who were clearly identifiable or publicly admitting they were there. Some of them, like the elected officials and police who posted pics or video of their involvement, should be top of the list
I agree, but I'm not quite sure how that can be implemented. You can't drag or force people to vote. I also voted remain, but I have never asked for a second vote or suggested the people were 'too thick' to know what they were voting for.
We lost the vote Nick. I think the UK will be fine though. :y
Jon Sopel the 'woke' lefty the BBC love to employ said of the riot that the Trump supporters were treated with 'kid gloves' despite four people losing their lives.
He then went on to compare that with the BLM riots and looting which he describes as mainly peaceful. He refused to say riot or rioters and instead used the word protesters making them sound like little Greta.
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Educated liberals both here and in the USA tend to believe Trump and his supporters align politically with Farage and Brexit supporters.
The BBC just loves to portray all remain voters as educated 'deep thinking' intelligent individuals. The very same BBC goes out of it's way to find the most bigoted knuckle-dragging 'brexiteers' and then mock them. The BBC bias is obvious.
The same applies with Trump supporters in the US. This intellectual bias is not really a problem if the numbers are small, but 17.4 million voted for Brexit, and 75 million voted for Trump, and if these people are dismissed as neanderthals there may well be consequences.
Where are you getting this shite from? I don't believe particularly like the bbc, but I've never heard that being said, nor have I got that impression. And who, exactly, is dismissing Trump supporters as Neanderthal? Where is your evidence? I'll tell you where, in your head.
I'm afraid if you can't see the MSM bias, and the BBC in particular, then they already have you.
While the 2016-2020 Brexit episode was ongoing do you really think the BBC was even handed and objective. Of course it wasn't........it was unapologetically for remain. ;D
I can see the bias, and have complained loudly about it in the past, but I certainly don't see it to the extent you do. Then again, I don't spend my time trawling YouTube for BLM conspiracy theories and the like. Remember your last foray into this? The one where you believed the subtitle text that turned out to be utter bollix. Amen. ;D
Albs is here, and we're talking about the bbc. Stand by........ ;D
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I thought I misheard Arnie Schwarzenegger for a minute there. He said 'Trump will soon be gone, and will be as irrelevant as an old tweet'. ;D
I also thought I misheard Schwarzenegger when he compared the protest at the Capitol Building to Kristallnacht. :-X
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I thought I misheard Arnie Schwarzenegger for a minute there. He said 'Trump will soon be gone, and will be as irrelevant as an old tweet'. ;D
I also thought I misheard Schwarzenegger when he compared the protest at the Capitol Building to Kristallnacht. :-X
From an ex republican governor too ::)
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I thought I misheard Arnie Schwarzenegger for a minute there. He said 'Trump will soon be gone, and will be as irrelevant as an old tweet'. ;D
I also thought I misheard Schwarzenegger when he compared the protest at the Capitol Building to Kristallnacht. :-X
From an ex republican governor too ::)
Yes that's the sort of rhetoric you'd expect from AOC...
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I thought I misheard Arnie Schwarzenegger for a minute there. He said 'Trump will soon be gone, and will be as irrelevant as an old tweet'. ;D
I also thought I misheard Schwarzenegger when he compared the protest at the Capitol Building to Kristallnacht. :-X
From an ex republican governor too ::)
Yes that's the sort of rhetoric you'd expect from AOC...
I don't know what AOC is and I'm not sure I care. ;D
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I thought I misheard Arnie Schwarzenegger for a minute there. He said 'Trump will soon be gone, and will be as irrelevant as an old tweet'. ;D
I also thought I misheard Schwarzenegger when he compared the protest at the Capitol Building to Kristallnacht. :-X
From an ex republican governor too ::)
Yes that's the sort of rhetoric you'd expect from AOC...
I don't know what AOC is and I'm not sure I care. ;D
Gobby mare.
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Whilst in it's own right it's slightly amusing, they are singling out people who happened to attend the rally and subsequent march even if they didn't actually approach the building.
It's not a big stretch to restricting people based on how they are registered to vote.
Imagine being banned from leaving Chatham because you did/didn't vote for Brexit? Or do/don't have an Amazon or Facebook account? Or might once have bought something from a business that did/didn't support a particular ideal?
Because that's where this is going... :-X
That's a real stretch.
Adults should be required to vote. Everybody who understands the process accepts that there's a bloody good chance they won't like the result. I think Brexit is a mistake for a number of reasons, and voted against it. One of those reasons was that nobody who promoted the idea had any idea of what to expect during and after, let alone a plan to achieve their dreams.
What happened to that idiot is a direct result of America's emotional clamour for the Patriot Act and Homeland Security Agency: identify threats and track them. leader? Being part of a mob invading the seat of government immediately after being told to do so by their/figurehead?/oppswit-in-chief is the definition of a specific threat. The HSA is currently picking the low hanging fruit; the idiots who were clearly identifiable or publicly admitting they were there. Some of them, like the elected officials and police who posted pics or video of their involvement, should be top of the list
Can you provide some evidence for this please. So far, all I have heard was him asking for was for people to take part in a march.
Just as everyone from Martin Luther King to BLM asked their supporters to take part in marches. Nothing whatsoever about invading the building, causing damage or committing violence. ???
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This from President-elect Joe Biden will grip Lord Opti's shit! :)
https://twitter.com/jonnajarian/status/1348698741046468610
And for Uncle Stemo and anyone else who doesn't have a Twitter account here's the text of his tweet.
"Our priority will be Black, Latino, Asian, and Native American owned small businesses, women-owned businesses, and finally having equal access to resources needed to reopen and rebuild." — President-elect Biden
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This from President-elect Joe Biden will grip Lord Opti's shit! :)
https://twitter.com/jonnajarian/status/1348698741046468610
And for Uncle Stemo and anyone else who doesn't have a Twitter account here's the text of his tweet.
"Our priority will be Black, Latino, Asian, and Native American owned small businesses, women-owned businesses, and finally having equal access to resources needed to reopen and rebuild." — President-elect Biden
American politics, eh? Not that bothered about them, really, why are you?
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Ah....that is so sweet. He is clearly extending the hand of friendship to the 75 million Trump voters. :)
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What happened to that idiot is a direct result of America's emotional clamour for the Patriot Act and Homeland Security Agency: identify threats and track them. leader? Being part of a mob invading the seat of government immediately after being told to do so by their/figurehead?/oppswit-in-chief is the definition of a specific threat. The HSA is currently picking the low hanging fruit; the idiots who were clearly identifiable or publicly admitting they were there. Some of them, like the elected officials and police who posted pics or video of their involvement, should be top of the list
Can you provide some evidence for this please. So far, all I have heard was him asking for was for people to take part in a march.
Just as everyone from Martin Luther King to BLM asked their supporters to take part in marches. Nothing whatsoever about invading the building, causing damage or committing violence. ???
Watch the whole speech. It was clearly not Trump's own work(although speech writers aren't unusual), but it's full of phrases like:
we will never concede
we will not let them silence your voices
all Pence has to do is get the states to recertify the votes(something that isn't in his power)
we're gathered to save our democracy
the weak republicans have turned a blind eye
we'll walk to the capitol, I'll be with you(he wasn't),...........you'll never take back our country if you show weakness, you'll have to be strong.
It goes on, but it's classic whipping up a mob techniques - WE are wronged and YOU have to do something about it. When you do that to groups that have already threatened violence, and don't hold them back things get interesting really quickly. The unusually small amount of protection around the building sped that up.
Perhaps he should have made a longer speech, as forcing your way into the building to nick a lectern and some stationery is a piss-poor insurrection even though there were some who were prepared for more direct action. Some brighter supporters might have helped; there's just been a news piece about how one who was still wearing his work ID on a lanyard....
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What happened to that idiot is a direct result of America's emotional clamour for the Patriot Act and Homeland Security Agency: identify threats and track them. leader? Being part of a mob invading the seat of government immediately after being told to do so by their/figurehead?/oppswit-in-chief is the definition of a specific threat. The HSA is currently picking the low hanging fruit; the idiots who were clearly identifiable or publicly admitting they were there. Some of them, like the elected officials and police who posted pics or video of their involvement, should be top of the list
Can you provide some evidence for this please. So far, all I have heard was him asking for was for people to take part in a march.
Just as everyone from Martin Luther King to BLM asked their supporters to take part in marches. Nothing whatsoever about invading the building, causing damage or committing violence. ???
Watch the whole speech. It was clearly not Trump's own work(although speech writers aren't unusual), but it's full of phrases like:
we will never concede
we will not let them silence your voices
all Pence has to do is get the states to recertify the votes(something that isn't in his power)
we're gathered to save our democracy
the weak republicans have turned a blind eye
we'll walk to the capitol, I'll be with you(he wasn't),...........you'll never take back our country if you show weakness, you'll have to be strong.
It goes on, but it's classic whipping up a mob techniques - WE are wronged and YOU have to do something about it. When you do that to groups that have already threatened violence, and don't hold them back things get interesting really quickly. The unusually small amount of protection around the building sped that up.
Perhaps he should have made a longer speech, as forcing your way into the building to nick a lectern and some stationery is a piss-poor insurrection even though there were some who were prepared for more direct action. Some brighter supporters might have helped; there's just been a news piece about how one who was still wearing his work ID on a lanyard....
;D ;D ;D
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This from President-elect Joe Biden will grip Lord Opti's shit! :)
https://twitter.com/jonnajarian/status/1348698741046468610
And for Uncle Stemo and anyone else who doesn't have a Twitter account here's the text of his tweet.
"Our priority will be Black, Latino, Asian, and Native American owned small businesses, women-owned businesses, and finally having equal access to resources needed to reopen and rebuild." — President-elect Biden
American politics, eh? Not that bothered about them, really, why are you?
I'm not really, but everybody else is so if you can't beat them... and anyway American politics have got a lot more interesting over the last 6 months. :)
I never really gave a shit about Trump to be honest, because I never believed all the hysterical predictions when he was elected and never thought he'd do anything to affect my life.
I've been right about both, but have been accused of being a Trump supporter for my lack of hysteria... ::) Oh and for pointing out that he's done some good things... :)
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I'm exactly the opposite, I fickin hate Trump. Him getting kicked out was my only interest in events leading up to the election, all the stuff since has been a bonus. :)
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And, let's face it, winding up people who do really, really care is quite an entertaining way to pass the time. ;D
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What happened to that idiot is a direct result of America's emotional clamour for the Patriot Act and Homeland Security Agency: identify threats and track them. leader? Being part of a mob invading the seat of government immediately after being told to do so by their/figurehead?/oppswit-in-chief is the definition of a specific threat. The HSA is currently picking the low hanging fruit; the idiots who were clearly identifiable or publicly admitting they were there. Some of them, like the elected officials and police who posted pics or video of their involvement, should be top of the list
Can you provide some evidence for this please. So far, all I have heard was him asking for was for people to take part in a march.
Just as everyone from Martin Luther King to BLM asked their supporters to take part in marches. Nothing whatsoever about invading the building, causing damage or committing violence. ???
Watch the whole speech. It was clearly not Trump's own work(although speech writers aren't unusual), but it's full of phrases like:
we will never concede
we will not let them silence your voices
all Pence has to do is get the states to recertify the votes(something that isn't in his power)
we're gathered to save our democracy
the weak republicans have turned a blind eye
we'll walk to the capitol, I'll be with you(he wasn't),...........you'll never take back our country if you show weakness, you'll have to be strong.
It goes on, but it's classic whipping up a mob techniques - WE are wronged and YOU have to do something about it. When you do that to groups that have already threatened violence, and don't hold them back things get interesting really quickly. The unusually small amount of protection around the building sped that up.
Perhaps he should have made a longer speech, as forcing your way into the building to nick a lectern and some stationery is a piss-poor insurrection even though there were some who were prepared for more direct action. Some brighter supporters might have helped; there's just been a news piece about how one who was still wearing his work ID on a lanyard....
As I suspected. Not a shred...... ::)
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As I suspected. Not a shred...... ::)
You're right, told to was a little strong.
I'd like to see you argue with the more accurate incited to, which is what I should have written. And is a far more insidious process.
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So Trump approves a state of emergency to allow police/army/national guard to confront protesters at Biden's inauguration and throughout state capitals, when all he really has to do is say that the election was fair and he lost. Surely no one would then have a reason to protest.
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Thing is 75 million people don't believe that and there's a disruptive minority on the left that will take advantage of the fact.
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So Trump approves a state of emergency to allow police/army/national guard to confront protesters at Biden's inauguration and throughout state capitals, when all he really has to do is say that the election was fair and he lost. Surely no one would then have a reason to protest.
That's true if you're talking about reasonable people who can stand back from their emotional reactions. But many of them aren't and won't Some of them can't. Those that are trying could easily be pushed over the edge by a further 'betrayal.' The time since the election has been spent deliberately(and in my opinion - which I can't prove - maliciously) stirring up his supporters. I'd like to add a number of adjectives there, but that would further display my biases.
We aren't immune to this - nobody is - as anyone who wants to stir up trouble in the UK just needs to mention Brexit.
We all know that you can't persuade people to change their political views with facts, it has to be done by playing politics. The recent discussion about how democracy is interpreted is an excellent example of this.
What should America do? Last week my position was that the Democrats would be better off not impeaching Trump. Today I'm much less certain as I'm finding the phrase "A failed coup that goes unpunished is a just a training exercise" persuasive. Sometimes people have to be reminded that their actions have consequences, I just wish we didn't have to rely on politicians to do it.
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Well, as far as I can see, Trump is can't win either way. If the protests are peaceful, then he's had his time and off he goes. If they turn nasty, then he will be blamed and every man and his dog in government will go after him.
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Regardless of the crap that spews from from Donald Trump, it sets a dangerous precedent to gag a democratically elected sitting president.
Free speech will soon be a thing of the past.
I wouldn't even gag Nancy Pelosi. :)
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So Trump approves a state of emergency to allow police/army/national guard to confront protesters at Biden's inauguration and throughout state capitals, when all he really has to do is say that the election was fair and he lost. Surely no one would then have a reason to protest.
Maybe he's been right all along and there has been a Deep State plot to get rid of him and he knows it. :-X
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Thing is 75 million people don't believe that and there's a disruptive minority on the left that will take advantage of the fact.
Nowhere near 75 million, don't be ridiculous.
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So Trump approves a state of emergency to allow police/army/national guard to confront protesters at Biden's inauguration and throughout state capitals, when all he really has to do is say that the election was fair and he lost. Surely no one would then have a reason to protest.
Maybe he's been right all along and there has been a Deep State plot to get rid of him and he knows it. :-X
Dear me. Haven't you got a starter motor to fix? ;D
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Regardless of the crap that spews from from Donald Trump, it sets a dangerous precedent to gag a democratically elected sitting president.
Free speech will soon be a thing of the past.
I wouldn't even gag Nancy Pelosi. :)
You're right. I'd have stopped him posting by shooting him :y
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If you're suggesting that the left are not deranged... They would rather have the Senate waste their time Impeaching Trump for a day, on principle, than spend the time approving Biden's cabinet which needs to be confirmed and in place on the 20th.
That's derangement for you.
Again I would point out that had last Wednesday been an actual coup, it would have a) been better organised, and b) been successful. You can't say that had it been a genuine attempt, 200,000+ people couldn't have stormed, and held the Capitol. If they genuinely wanted to. Which they didn't.
Hell, the hundred or so that actually got in could have taken the place had they been armed and organised.
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This from President-elect Joe Biden will grip Lord Opti's shit! :)
https://twitter.com/jonnajarian/status/1348698741046468610
And for Uncle Stemo and anyone else who doesn't have a Twitter account here's the text of his tweet.
"Our priority will be Black, Latino, Asian, and Native American owned small businesses, women-owned businesses, and finally having equal access to resources needed to reopen and rebuild." — President-elect Biden
Poor old Joe.
I genuinely don't know whether he is going senile of he has deliberately played the race card to further inflame the situation.
He could (and should) have said...... as democrats our priority is to help those most in need.......but the silly old fool had to mention race. :-\
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Playing to the gallery. ;)
He wont help anyone. H is a waste of space. :)
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Playing to the gallery. ;)
He wont help anyone. H is a waste of space. :)
He has chosen to adopt 'Identity politics' taken straight from the handbook on Intersectionality.
There will be tears before bedtime. :-X
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If you're suggesting that the left are not deranged... They would rather have the Senate waste their time Impeaching Trump for a day, on principle, than spend the time approving Biden's cabinet which needs to be confirmed and in place on the 20th.
That's derangement for you.
I'd think the main aim would be disqualification from any future federal office, rather than removal now.
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I think thats what they are most terrified of. He sits back and watches for four years, then promises to finish draining the swamp, building the wall and restore they have lost overseas, and gets back in again.
Pelosi does seem to have a deeply held personal hatred of him though and just wants to damage, disgrace and humiliate him while she can, foe her own personal satisfaction.
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I think thats what they are most terrified of. He sits back and watches for four years, then promises to finish draining the swamp, building the wall and restore they have lost overseas, and gets back in again.
Pelosi does seem to have a deeply held personal hatred of him though and just wants to damage, disgrace and humiliate him while she can, foe her own personal satisfaction.
Perhaps he could slip her a length, kiss and make up. ;) :D
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She's got some go for an 80 year old, but she's clearly driven by hate...
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Trump-Pelosi is a two-way hatred I think.
At 78, Joe Biden will already be the oldest sitting president on taking office - older than Reagan was when he left. In that context, 2024 has to be a main consideration for both sides.
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Trump-Pelosi is a two-way hatred I think.
At 78, Joe Biden will already be the oldest sitting president on taking office - older than Reagan was when he left. In that context, 2024 has to be a main consideration for both sides.
I agree.......but he is no more than a figurehead.
Ms Harris will be the real president. Easily able to manipulate the poor old chap.
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In a sign of how things and attitudes in the US might change under Biden/Harris and a Democrat controlled Congress, the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta Raphael Bostic has been talking today about a guaranteed Universal Basic Income.
He said " We need to continue the guaranteed universal basic income conversation " " The guaranteed income is not a crazy conversation to have given the costs of poverty. "
I always thought this sort of talk was restricted to people like Corbyn, Sturgeon or the Scandinavians. ::) I never thought I'd hear such talk coming out of the USA! :o
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Definitely in the 'conspiracy' stages, but has anyone been watching Taiwan recently?
The US Navy are 'assisting' the Taiwanese and Aussie Navies defend against the usual Chinese showboating.
It has been suggested that the US Military would only abide by Trump signing the Insurrection Act if he also agreed to them going to war with China. Basic income could help stabilise the economy in the face of the massive ongoing Military expenditure that such a war would require.
That could also explain why the Democrats are so keen to oust him. Imagine what might happen, if on the 19th China invades Taiwan and the US (and Australia) retaliate.
As I said, a conspiracy theory and a half, and not one that I particularly subscribe to, but...
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Who? ;D
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Definitely in the 'conspiracy' stages, but has anyone been watching Taiwan recently?
The US Navy are 'assisting' the Taiwanese and Aussie Navies defend against the usual Chinese showboating.
It has been suggested that the US Military would only abide by Trump signing the Insurrection Act if he also agreed to them going to war with China. Basic income could help stabilise the economy in the face of the massive ongoing Military expenditure that such a war would require.
That could also explain why the Democrats are so keen to oust him. Imagine what might happen, if on the 19th China invades Taiwan and the US (and Australia) retaliate.
As I said, a conspiracy theory and a half, and not one that I particularly subscribe to, but...
Guess where HMS QE and her escorts are heading off to in the near future? ::)
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;D
Now, consider this...
What if instead of Trump's last act, it is Biden's first.
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Definitely in the 'conspiracy' stages, but has anyone been watching Taiwan recently?
The US Navy are 'assisting' the Taiwanese and Aussie Navies defend against the usual Chinese showboating.
It has been suggested that the US Military would only abide by Trump signing the Insurrection Act if he also agreed to them going to war with China. Basic income could help stabilise the economy in the face of the massive ongoing Military expenditure that such a war would require.
That could also explain why the Democrats are so keen to oust him. Imagine what might happen, if on the 19th China invades Taiwan and the US (and Australia) retaliate.
As I said, a conspiracy theory and a half, and not one that I particularly subscribe to, but...
Guess where HMS QE and her escorts are heading off to in the near future? ::)
Norfolk, Va? :D
Joking aside, January could be a short month.
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Jackanoryism at it's finest ;D
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I hope so ;)
Meanwhile, in other news, they've finished The Wall. Which is nice 8)
Loads of money for the contractors pulling it back down again. ::)
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I hope so ;)
Meanwhile, in other news, they've finished The Wall. Which is nice 8)
Loads of money for the contractors pulling it back down again. ::)
It's OK, Mexico will pay for that! :y
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I hope so ;)
Meanwhile, in other news, they've finished The Wall. Which is nice 8)
Loads of money for the contractors pulling it back down again. ::)
It can stay up, there are enough tunnels.
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I hope so ;)
Meanwhile, in other news, they've finished The Wall. Which is nice 8)
Loads of money for the contractors pulling it back down again. ::)
It's OK, Mexico will pay for that! :y
Bit racist to expect the Gringos to pay :P
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I hope so ;)
Meanwhile, in other news, they've finished The Wall. Which is nice 8)
Loads of money for the contractors pulling it back down again. ::)
It's OK, Mexico will pay for that! :y
Bit racist to expect the Gringos to pay :P
The Gringos are the Americans. :P
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I hope so ;)
Meanwhile, in other news, they've finished The Wall. Which is nice 8)
Loads of money for the contractors pulling it back down again. ::)
It's OK, Mexico will pay for that! :y
I heard Mexico are paying for the wall and Canada wants one too.
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I hope so ;)
Meanwhile, in other news, they've finished The Wall. Which is nice 8)
Loads of money for the contractors pulling it back down again. ::)
It's OK, Mexico will pay for that! :y
I heard Mexico are paying for the wall and Canada wants one too.
I wonder where you heard that? ;D
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I hope so ;)
Meanwhile, in other news, they've finished 452 miles of the 800 mile Mexico border, most of which was repairing the old wall, and not a lot on the rest of the circa 2000 mile southern border. Which is nice 8)
Loads of money for the contractors pulling it back down again. ::)
fixed that for you ....
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In a sign of how things and attitudes in the US might change under Biden/Harris and a Democrat controlled Congress, the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta Raphael Bostic has been talking today about a guaranteed Universal Basic Income.
He said " We need to continue the guaranteed universal basic income conversation " " The guaranteed income is not a crazy conversation to have given the costs of poverty. "
I always thought this sort of talk was restricted to people like Corbyn, Sturgeon or the Scandinavians. ::) I never thought I'd hear such talk coming out of the USA! :o
https://youtu.be/v7UW1umM0hM
It's not that new
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New or old, its terrifying prospect. :o
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New or old, its terrifying prospect. :o
Why? What difference would it make to you? Eh? Eh? ;D
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That awful left wing bbc telling porkies again:
Trump impeachment: Several Republicans to join Democrats in House vote https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55642101
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If the definition of several has changed ???
Fact, only 1 Republican voted for it.
But don't let that ruin an opportunity to misinform. ;D
223 For.
205 Against.
222 Dems + 1 Rep for.
205 Rep against.
5 Rep didn't vote.
Sure you could accurately state that 6 didn't vote against it, which could be construed as 'several', but it is not the same as 6 voting in favour. That number was categorically a single person.
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Has voting actually taken place yet?
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Has voting actually taken place yet?
Nope .. not due until later today ... so where DG gets his fictitious figures from is anyones guess .......
the House does not re-convene until 14.00 GMT (its now 12:28), then the debates, then the first vote is expected at 17:00 GMT, followed by two hours of further debate and votes ....
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That was the result of yesterday's amendments. Was about 11pm ET.
So, as an observation, if my numbers are ficticious, God alone knows where the BBC get theirs from ;D
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New or old, its terrifying prospect. :o
Why? What difference would it make to you? Eh? Eh? ;D
Its pure Socialism.If it were introduced in the U.S. it would be a very big signal that they have won, and Capitalism is on life support.
It has also been suggested in this country by the usual suspects, and if the yanks do it, we probably wouldnt be far behind.
Terrifying.
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That was the result of yesterday's amendments. Was about 11pm ET.
So, as an observation, if my numbers are ficticious, God alone knows where the BBC get theirs from ;D
I can't actually see any figures in that bbc report, can you?
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New or old, its terrifying prospect. :o
Why? What difference would it make to you? Eh? Eh? ;D
Its pure Socialism.If it were introduced in the U.S. it would be a very big signal that they have won, and Capitalism is on life support.
It has also been suggested in this country by the usual suspects, and if the yanks do it, we probably wouldnt be far behind.
Terrifying.
Hmmmm......I think zombies are worse.
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That was the result of yesterday's amendments. Was about 11pm ET.
So, as an observation, if my numbers are ficticious, God alone knows where the BBC get theirs from ;D
I can't actually see any figures in that bbc report, can you?
Well, come on. Am I missing something or are you seeing things? ;D
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If the definition of several has changed ???
Fact, only 1 Republican voted for it.
But don't let that ruin an opportunity to misinform. ;D
223 For.
205 Against.
222 Dems + 1 Rep for.
205 Rep against.
5 Rep didn't vote.
Sure you could accurately state that 6 didn't vote against it, which could be construed as 'several', but it is not the same as 6 voting in favour. That number was categorically a single person.
BBC Barnsley. ;)
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If the definition of several has changed ???
Fact, only 1 Republican voted for it.
But don't let that ruin an opportunity to misinform. ;D
223 For.
205 Against.
222 Dems + 1 Rep for.
205 Rep against.
5 Rep didn't vote.
Sure you could accurately state that 6 didn't vote against it, which could be construed as 'several', but it is not the same as 6 voting in favour. That number was categorically a single person.
BBC Barnsley. ;)
Oh god, it's the man from the 1970's. What are you on about, Enoch? ;D
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If the definition of several has changed ???
Fact, only 1 Republican voted for it.
But don't let that ruin an opportunity to misinform. ;D
223 For.
205 Against.
222 Dems + 1 Rep for.
205 Rep against.
5 Rep didn't vote.
Sure you could accurately state that 6 didn't vote against it, which could be construed as 'several', but it is not the same as 6 voting in favour. That number was categorically a single person.
BBC Barnsley. ;)
Oh god, it's the man from the 1970's. What are you on about, Enoch? ;D
Nobody from this forum knows what they are on about. OOF is a collection of misfits, oddballs, and grumpy old men from Barnsleywakefield. :)
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If the definition of several has changed ???
Fact, only 1 Republican voted for it.
But don't let that ruin an opportunity to misinform. ;D
223 For.
205 Against.
222 Dems + 1 Rep for.
205 Rep against.
5 Rep didn't vote.
Sure you could accurately state that 6 didn't vote against it, which could be construed as 'several', but it is not the same as 6 voting in favour. That number was categorically a single person.
BBC Barnsley. ;)
Oh god, it's the man from the 1970's. What are you on about, Enoch? ;D
Nobody from this forum knows what they are on about. OOF is a collection of misfits, oddballs, and grumpy old men from Barnsleywakefield. :)
Yes, yes. Go and sit in your comfy chair in the corner for a while, there's a good chap. If wifey brings you a nice cup of tea, don't forget to put you bib on. ;D
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New or old, its terrifying prospect. :o
Why? What difference would it make to you? Eh? Eh? ;D
Its pure Socialism.If it were introduced in the U.S. it would be a very big signal that they have won, and Capitalism is on life support.
It has also been suggested in this country by the usual suspects, and if the yanks do it, we probably wouldnt be far behind.
Terrifying.
By no stretch of the imagination could Milton Friedman (UBI/negative income tax) be described as a socialist
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A little research has easily shown that the figures quoted by DG are actually the result of the debate to try and force the vice-president to invoke Article 25 of the Constitution to remove the President ..
They have absolutely NOTHING to do with the action to impeach him .... as that has not yet been debated or voted on.
Apples and oranges .... but never let the truth get in the way of a good confabulation ...... :)
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New or old, its terrifying prospect. :o
Why? What difference would it make to you? Eh? Eh? ;D
Its pure Socialism.If it were introduced in the U.S. it would be a very big signal that they have won, and Capitalism is on life support.
It has also been suggested in this country by the usual suspects, and if the yanks do it, we probably wouldnt be far behind.
Terrifying.
By no stretch of the imagination could Milton Friedman (UBI/negative income tax) be described as a socialist
I havent described him as a Socialist, but for reasons best known to himself he is perpetuating Socialism by another name.
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New or old, its terrifying prospect. :o
Why? What difference would it make to you? Eh? Eh? ;D
Its pure Socialism.If it were introduced in the U.S. it would be a very big signal that they have won, and Capitalism is on life support.
It has also been suggested in this country by the usual suspects, and if the yanks do it, we probably wouldnt be far behind.
Terrifying.
By no stretch of the imagination could Milton Friedman (UBI/negative income tax) be described as a socialist
I havent described him as a Socialist, but for reasons best known to himself he is perpetuating Socialism by another name.
Like anything else, socialism itself is not in any way harmful. It's the way people interpret socialism that makes it dangerous. We will, after all, be getting a socialist government in this country sooner or later. I just hope it's not Corbyn's brand of socialism.
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In fact, I think we're nearly there with this government.
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In fact, I think we're nearly there with this government.
Yes....you can't get more socialist than the government paying peoples wages.
No viable alternative though. So I suppose you could say that Socialism works when capitalism no longer works.
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In fact, I think we're nearly there with this government.
Yes....you can't get more socialist than the government paying peoples wages.
No viable alternative though. So I suppose you could say that Socialism works when capitalism no longer works.
In the course of a country's history, there are times when one or the other works best. A middle of the road combination of both would be nice, but getting big companies to see it that way might be tricky. Shareholders don't like it up 'em, you know ;D
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Its pure Socialism. If it were introduced in the U.S. it would be a very big signal that they have won, and Capitalism is on life support.
It's more like the traditional definition of liberalism. Please note the lower case l. But this is what happens when people use what used to be firmly defined terms as very loose insults. This is also true for right wing terms; Nazi and Fascist were two very different movements in two very different countries, yet they're thrown around as synonyms.
Let's not forget that much of the US Democratic Party would be considered true blue Conservatives(note the capital C) in this country.
Capitalism will be superseded, just like a long line of political theories that were once considered radical.
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Its pure Socialism. If it were introduced in the U.S. it would be a very big signal that they have won, and Capitalism is on life support.
It's more like the traditional definition of liberalism. Please note the lower case l. But this is what happens when people use what used to be firmly defined terms as very loose insults. This is also true for right wing terms; Nazi and Fascist were two very different movements in two very different countries, yet they're thrown around as synonyms.
Let's not forget that much of the US Democratic Party would be considered true blue Conservatives(note the capital C) in this country.
Capitalism will be superseded, just like a long line of political theories that were once considered radical.
Yes....Opti-ism has a certain ring to it. :)
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If the Government are going to pay peoples wages regardless of whether or not they work, why will anyone want to go to work, unless they earn a really high salary.
So the next question is, where will the money come from to pay all the wages if hardly anyone bothers going to work ?
Someone hasnt thought this through. ::)
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If the Government are going to pay peoples wages regardless of whether or not they work, why will anyone want to go to work, unless they earn a really high salary.
So the next question is, where will the money come from to pay all the wages if hardly anyone bothers going to work ?
Someone hasnt thought this through. ::)
Where have you been these last few years ?? Everyone knows you simply go and pick it from the "Money Tree" which, magically, grows more money overnight ....... (page 1092 labour party manifesto)
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Where have you been these last few years ?? Everyone knows you simply go and pick it from the "Money Tree" which, magically, grows more money overnight ....... (page 1092 labour party manifesto)
Wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!one1!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's Page 1 of the manifesto.
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Trump still had a trick up his sleeve! :D
(https://i.postimg.cc/90dyLh2H/trumpy.jpg)
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If the Government are going to pay peoples wages regardless of whether or not they work, why will anyone want to go to work, unless they earn a really high salary.
So the next question is, where will the money come from to pay all the wages if hardly anyone bothers going to work ?
Someone hasnt thought this through. ::)
Where have you been these last few years ?? Everyone knows you simply go and pick it from the "Money Tree" which, magically, grows more money overnight ....... (page 1092 labour party manifesto)
Its not just the Labour manifesto any more though. A multi millionaire footballer complains on Soshill meeja and the Tory Govt. do as he says because they are too scared to tell people the cold hard truth.
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Its pure Socialism. If it were introduced in the U.S. it would be a very big signal that they have won, and Capitalism is on life support.
It's more like the traditional definition of liberalism. Please note the lower case l. But this is what happens when people use what used to be firmly defined terms as very loose insults. This is also true for right wing terms; Nazi and Fascist were two very different movements in two very different countries, yet they're thrown around as synonyms.
Let's not forget that much of the US Democratic Party would be considered true blue Conservatives(note the capital C) in this country.
Capitalism will be superseded, just like a long line of political theories that were once considered radical.
The state paying people wages as a step forward from having a welfare system to take care of those most in genuine need is not traditional liberalism. Its nothing short of Marxism. "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need".
The U.S. Democratic party was similar to our new very pale blue conservative party (note the lower case c) but not any more. In the last 10 to 15 years it has moved further and further to the left, and is now probably further left than the post Corbyn Labour party.
Capitalism cant really be superseded. Its as old as the first occasion one person had something another person wanted.
People who have thought themselves to be so clever that they could come up with a better system have come close to destroying civilisation, but people somehow still believe in it.
Thats why I finf it terrifying.
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I wonder how Nancy Pelosi is getting on with assisting the authorities with their enquiries...
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I wonder how Nancy Pelosi is getting on with assisting the authorities with their enquiries...
I read that her laptop was stolen during the 'insurrection' last week. :o
Dunno if that's true or not, but if it was I doubt they'd admit it anyway! ::)
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It is true. She released a statement about it not being used for anything of interest ::)
No statement of her whereabouts beyond nominating a stand in during her absence. If she was ill or worse, it would be all over the news, and I can't believe for a second that she would miss a single second of this process.
I stand corrected, she has been giving Nancy Pelosi badges to all the troops outside the Capitol ::)
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10 republicans voted to impeach, hope they sleep tight tonight ;D
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Does than mean he won't be the president any more and DG's out of a job too :-\
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Does than mean he won't be the president any more and DG's out of a job too :-\
DG will always have a job, trawling the darkest corners of boob tube for the truth ;D
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10 republicans voted to impeach, hope they sleep tight tonight ;D
They'll be fine.
The Antifa Covert Cuddle Squad will man(woman? child? LGBTQWBFDHKHDFDFGK*£$!) carefully installed Gatling guns and scented candles around their properties to save them from the disappointed MAGA fans 8)
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10 republicans voted to impeach, hope they sleep tight tonight ;D
They'll be fine.
The Antifa Covert Cuddle Squad will man(woman? child? LGBTQWBFDHKHDFDFGK*£$!) carefully installed Gatling guns and scented candles around their properties to save them from the disappointed MAGA fans 8)
I think they'd be more likely to cunningly disguise themselves as Trumpy/MAGA types and start throwing Molotov Cocktails at their properties. :P
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Its pure Socialism. If it were introduced in the U.S. it would be a very big signal that they have won, and Capitalism is on life support.
It's more like the traditional definition of liberalism. Please note the lower case l. But this is what happens when people use what used to be firmly defined terms as very loose insults. This is also true for right wing terms; Nazi and Fascist were two very different movements in two very different countries, yet they're thrown around as synonyms.
Let's not forget that much of the US Democratic Party would be considered true blue Conservatives(note the capital C) in this country.
Capitalism will be superseded, just like a long line of political theories that were once considered radical.
The state paying people wages as a step forward from having a welfare system to take care of those most in genuine need is not traditional liberalism. Its nothing short of Marxism. "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need".
The U.S. Democratic party was similar to our new very pale blue conservative party (note the lower case c) but not any more. In the last 10 to 15 years it has moved further and further to the left, and is now probably further left than the post Corbyn Labour party.
Capitalism cant really be superseded. Its as old as the first occasion one person had something another person wanted.
People who have thought themselves to be so clever that they could come up with a better system have come close to destroying civilisation, but people somehow still believe in it.
Thats why I finf it terrifying.
^ This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYeYPcougmA
Heaven preserve us from the sincere reformer who knows what's good for you and, by heaven, he's going to make you do it whether you like it or not.
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Apparently a Republican Congresswoman (Congressperson?) plans to serve Articles of Impeachment on Joe Biden in the House of Representatives the day after his inauguration on the grounds that he possibly profited from his son's business dealings in Ukraine and China! :)
It looks like US politics will continue to be good entertainment for some time to come! ::)
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Apparently a Republican Congresswoman (Congressperson?) plans to serve Articles of Impeachment on Joe Biden in the House of Representatives the day after his inauguration on the grounds that he possibly profited from his son's business dealings in Ukraine and China! :)
It looks like US politics will continue to be good entertainment for some time to come! ::)
Which will immediately be voted down.
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The state paying people wages as a step forward from having a welfare system to take care of those most in genuine need is not traditional liberalism. Its nothing short of Marxism. "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need".
The U.S. Democratic party was similar to our new very pale blue conservative party (note the lower case c) but not any more. In the last 10 to 15 years it has moved further and further to the left, and is now probably further left than the post Corbyn Labour party.
Capitalism cant really be superseded. Its as old as the first occasion one person had something another person wanted.
People who have thought themselves to be so clever that they could come up with a better system have come close to destroying civilisation, but people somehow still believe in it.
Thats why I finf it terrifying.
Would you make your mind up? First it was socialism, now it's marxism. They aren't the same!
And weren't you arguing about the need for democracy on another thread, which isn't really compatible with the admiration for capitalism here. I won't mention the various shades of capitalism.....
A look through history should convince anyone that no system is going to last for ever. Charles I belief in the divine right of kings didn't stop the axe severing his head; 75 years ago the British Empire was still the worldwide political power, but look how long it lasted. And each of the prevalent systems lasts for a shorter time period than previous ones.
So what will replace capitalism? Who knows. And I don't care, because no system is going to replace it in the next thirty years, let alone prove to durable.
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The state paying people wages as a step forward from having a welfare system to take care of those most in genuine need is not traditional liberalism. Its nothing short of Marxism. "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need".
The U.S. Democratic party was similar to our new very pale blue conservative party (note the lower case c) but not any more. In the last 10 to 15 years it has moved further and further to the left, and is now probably further left than the post Corbyn Labour party.
Capitalism cant really be superseded. Its as old as the first occasion one person had something another person wanted.
People who have thought themselves to be so clever that they could come up with a better system have come close to destroying civilisation, but people somehow still believe in it.
Thats why I finf it terrifying.
Would you make your mind up? First it was socialism, now it's marxism. They aren't the same!
And weren't you arguing about the need for democracy on another thread, which isn't really compatible with the admiration for capitalism here. I won't mention the various shades of capitalism.....
A look through history should convince anyone that no system is going to last for ever. Charles I belief in the divine right of kings didn't stop the axe severing his head; 75 years ago the British Empire was still the worldwide political power, but look how long it lasted. And each of the prevalent systems lasts for a shorter time period than previous ones.
So what will replace capitalism? Who knows. And I don't care, because no system is going to replace it in the next thirty years, let alone prove to durable.
Transcendental meditation three times a day followed by a relaxing toke of wacky baccy.
Peace man....... :y*
Productivity and GDP may fall under this system*.
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The state paying people wages as a step forward from having a welfare system to take care of those most in genuine need is not traditional liberalism. Its nothing short of Marxism. "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need".
The U.S. Democratic party was similar to our new very pale blue conservative party (note the lower case c) but not any more. In the last 10 to 15 years it has moved further and further to the left, and is now probably further left than the post Corbyn Labour party.
Capitalism cant really be superseded. Its as old as the first occasion one person had something another person wanted.
People who have thought themselves to be so clever that they could come up with a better system have come close to destroying civilisation, but people somehow still believe in it.
Thats why I finf it terrifying.
Would you make your mind up? First it was socialism, now it's marxism. They aren't the same!
And weren't you arguing about the need for democracy on another thread, which isn't really compatible with the admiration for capitalism here. I won't mention the various shades of capitalism.....
A look through history should convince anyone that no system is going to last for ever. Charles I belief in the divine right of kings didn't stop the axe severing his head; 75 years ago the British Empire was still the worldwide political power, but look how long it lasted. And each of the prevalent systems lasts for a shorter time period than previous ones.
So what will replace capitalism? Who knows. And I don't care, because no system is going to replace it in the next thirty years, let alone prove to durable.
Transcendental meditation three times a day followed by a relaxing toke of wacky baccy.
Peace man....... :y*
Productivity and GDP may fall under this system*.
It didn't do The Beatles productivity any harm.
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Yes....they were into this sort of thing around 1967/68.......and put out some good stuff.
Much better than the early "She loves you yeah yeah yeah" crap. :y
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Yes....they were into this sort of thing around 1967/68.......and put out some good stuff.
Much better than the early "She loves you yeah yeah yeah" crap. :y
They must have had a few spliffs before 'I am the walrus' ;D
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Picture yourself on a boat on a river with tangerine trees and marmalade skies.
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Yes....they were into this sort of thing around 1967/68.......and put out some good stuff.
Much better than the early "She loves you yeah yeah yeah" crap. :y
They must have had a few spliffs before 'I am the walrus' ;D
Something harder than that I'd imagine. Mushroom tea? :D
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Acid.
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The state paying people wages as a step forward from having a welfare system to take care of those most in genuine need is not traditional liberalism. Its nothing short of Marxism. "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need".
The U.S. Democratic party was similar to our new very pale blue conservative party (note the lower case c) but not any more. In the last 10 to 15 years it has moved further and further to the left, and is now probably further left than the post Corbyn Labour party.
Capitalism cant really be superseded. Its as old as the first occasion one person had something another person wanted.
People who have thought themselves to be so clever that they could come up with a better system have come close to destroying civilisation, but people somehow still believe in it.
Thats why I finf it terrifying.
Would you make your mind up? First it was socialism, now it's marxism. They aren't the same!
And weren't you arguing about the need for democracy on another thread, which isn't really compatible with the admiration for capitalism here. I won't mention the various shades of capitalism.....
A look through history should convince anyone that no system is going to last for ever. Charles I belief in the divine right of kings didn't stop the axe severing his head; 75 years ago the British Empire was still the worldwide political power, but look how long it lasted. And each of the prevalent systems lasts for a shorter time period than previous ones.
So what will replace capitalism? Who knows. And I don't care, because no system is going to replace it in the next thirty years, let alone prove to durable.
Transcendental meditation three times a day followed by a relaxing toke of wacky baccy.
Peace man....... :y*
Productivity and GDP may fall under this system*.
Whilst these may prove to become compulsory, the actual answer will ultimately include becoming drones of Facebook and Amazon and receiving instruction via Twitter...
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Transcendental meditation three times a day followed by a relaxing toke of wacky baccy.
Peace man....... :y *
Productivity and GDP may fall under this system*.
Whilst these may prove to become compulsory, the actual answer will ultimately include becoming drones of Facebook and Amazon and receiving instruction via Twitter...
A conspiracy moron could prove** that the DeepInternationalPuritanRothschildComunistIlluminatiVaticanBidenNegroFeministPaedophileStateMongolian group introduced Covid as a year long test of the first, and that Trump is the nominated public Grand Mind Leader of the second.
** that's prove in the sense that wishing makes things real.