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Title: Depreciating assets
Post by: STEMO on 18 February 2021, 10:37:08
Look at this lot, all worth less for every month they sit there:

Covid-19: Thousands of unwanted vehicles stored at Rockingham https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-56104281
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: Rangie on 18 February 2021, 10:44:53
You can see some from the road when driving past not sure it's these ones though, there have been vehicles stored there  for years used to be loads of Renaults there a few years back.
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 February 2021, 12:56:24
Never let a story get in the way of what's actually happening  ::)

Simple supply and demand controlling market value.

Being ex lease vehicles, they are being held back deliberately. True people aren't buying so many new cars, and used car prices are high at the moment.

Put it another way, if you owned twenty thousand of something, would you flood the market and drive prices across the whole market down? Or would you release them slowly in order to create demand by limiting supply and driving the market value up? Bear in mind that the largest leasing companies own/are owned by the auction companies.  :-X

Be under no illusion, average quality Omegas are only going up in value because the market stock of cheap cars has reduced significantly not because the cars themselves are increasing in value.
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: ronnyd on 18 February 2021, 13:49:40
Would the storing of cars over a period of time lead to deterioration and subsequently a fall in market value? I'm sure that those cars at Rockingham aren't laid up with the loving care that you guys on here store your pride and joy. ???
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: STEMO on 18 February 2021, 14:25:20
Would the storing of cars over a period of time lead to deterioration and subsequently a fall in market value? I'm sure that those cars at Rockingham aren't laid up with the loving care that you guys on here store your pride and joy. ???
There mere fact that they could be a year older by the time they are sold would devalue them quite a bit. Not so important when you're looking at the difference between an eight and nine year old car, but between a two and three year old, it can knock a fair bit off.
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 February 2021, 14:34:10
Equally the mileage won't be increasing, and because they're most likely pre mot, a quick once over, service and fresh MoT (if near enough to 3 years to justify it).

Factories haven't been producing as much new stock for various reasons, so there will be an increased demand for 'decent' low mileage nearly new stock once people start buying new again.
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: STEMO on 18 February 2021, 14:39:06
Equally the mileage won't be increasing, and because they're most likely pre mot, a quick once over, service and fresh MoT (if near enough to 3 years to justify it).

Factories haven't been producing as much new stock for various reasons, so there will be an increased demand for 'decent' low mileage nearly new stock once people start buying new again.
I was looking, this morning, at pre reg's, some of them MY2020 with ten miles on the clock. Twenty grand cars going for £13-£14K, so there's no real shortage.
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 February 2021, 15:09:40
The dealers selling them are still making money, even at that price.

The last 'new' car I bought was a pre reg Insignia with about twenty miles on it. £12,495. The cost of first registration gets written off as a deductible expense, and the dealer group still gets a couple of grand out of the deal ;)
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: STEMO on 18 February 2021, 15:12:13
The dealers selling them are still making money, even at that price.

The last 'new' car I bought was a pre reg Insignia with about twenty miles on it. £12,495. The cost of first registration gets written off as a deductible expense, and the dealer group still gets a couple of grand out of the deal ;)
I never said the dealers weren't making money. I merely pointed out that there were lots of cars losing money whilst parked up on a race track, but you felt the need to complicate things.
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 February 2021, 15:14:05
They aren't losing money. If they were they'd have been sold already.
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: STEMO on 18 February 2021, 15:15:29
They aren't losing money. If they were they'd have been sold already.
They will be worth less when they are sold than they were when parked up. That's me, no more.
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: johnnydog on 18 February 2021, 15:24:47
Bear in mind that the largest leasing companies own/are owned by the auction companies.  :-X


Where do you get this gem of info from then? ::)
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 February 2021, 15:45:13
As a start, BCA own Dollar and Hertz...
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: Rangie on 18 February 2021, 15:49:09
Bear in mind that the largest leasing companies own/are owned by the auction companies.  :-X


Where do you get this gem of info from then? ::)
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Don't encourage him it will go on forever ☺️
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: STEMO on 18 February 2021, 15:54:01
As a start, BCA own Dollar and Hertz...
Select car leasing is a private company.......your go.
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: btc on 18 February 2021, 16:08:59
Motability is major leasing company and a charity 
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: johnnydog on 18 February 2021, 16:49:16
As a start, BCA own Dollar and Hertz...

Dollar is based in Dubai, and Hertz isn't exactly a major player, or one of the largest leasing companies....  ::)....and Donlan, the other leasing company owned by BCA, well, personally I've never heard of them - probably because they are based in the US and Canada.....
Hardly manor leasing companies.......
BCA work alongside major leading companies, such as Lex, ALD, Alphabet etc etc in the remarketing of their lease vehicles, but don't own them ::)
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: Rangie on 18 February 2021, 16:52:15
As a start, BCA own Dollar and Hertz...

Dollar is based in Dubai, and Hertz isn't exactly a major player, or one of the largest leasing companies....  ::)....and Donlan, the other leasing company owned by BCA, well, personally I've never heard of them - probably because they are based in the US and Canada.....
Hardly manor leasing companies.......
BCA work alongside major leading companies, such as Lex, ALD, Alphabet etc etc in the remarketing of their lease vehicles, but don't own them ::)


DG has gone remarkably quiet now, can't imagine why ..😄😄😄
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: STEMO on 18 February 2021, 16:56:12
As a start, BCA own Dollar and Hertz...

Dollar is based in Dubai, and Hertz isn't exactly a major player, or one of the largest leasing companies....  ::)....and Donlan, the other leasing company owned by BCA, well, personally I've never heard of them - probably because they are based in the US and Canada.....
Hardly manor leasing companies.......
BCA work alongside major leading companies, such as Lex, ALD, Alphabet etc etc in the remarketing of their lease vehicles, but don't own them ::)


DG has gone remarkably quiet now, can't imagine why ..😄😄😄
It happens quite a lot.
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 February 2021, 17:03:07
Maybe I have had more interesting things to do...  ::)

Anyhoo, if those cars shown at Rockingham were genuinely losing money, they would have been long disposed of.
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: STEMO on 18 February 2021, 17:39:35
Maybe I have had more interesting things to do...  ::)

Anyhoo, if those cars shown at Rockingham were genuinely losing money, they would have been long disposed of.
Than what? Coming on here, spouting nonsense and then trying to defend your nonsense? That wouldn't be hard.
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: Rangie on 18 February 2021, 17:56:06
Maybe I have had more interesting things to do...  ::)

Anyhoo, if those cars shown at Rockingham were genuinely losing money, they would have been long disposed of.
Than what? Coming on here, spouting nonsense and then trying to defend your nonsense? That wouldn't be hard.


He might have been tidying his hair up. 😂
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 18 February 2021, 17:59:30
I was having a shit.
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: Andy B on 18 February 2021, 18:05:59
Would the storing of cars over a period of time lead to deterioration and subsequently a fall in market value? I'm sure that those cars at Rockingham aren't laid up with the loving care that you guys on here store your pride and joy. ???

Isn't that what Lancia did all those years ago?  And look where Lancia are now in the UK  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: Broomies Mate on 18 February 2021, 18:07:21
Would the storing of cars over a period of time lead to deterioration and subsequently a fall in market value? I'm sure that those cars at Rockingham aren't laid up with the loving care that you guys on here store your pride and joy. ???

Isn't that what Lancia did all those years ago?  And look where Lancia are now in the UK  ;D ;D

Let's be honest, you could store a Lancia in a heated workshop, covered in Baby Oil and it would still rot away in weeks.
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: STEMO on 18 February 2021, 18:08:12
I was having a shit.
You should have brought it downstairs and posted it on here as usual  ;D
Title: Re: Depreciating assets
Post by: biggriffin on 18 February 2021, 20:34:21
Rockingham,Corby has been a car storage area for year, there's a moosive GM area in Corby,, Wyton Airfield is full of, JLR, Merc, Alconbury is VAG and ford,Bruntingthrope is covered in cars,,  They get trickled out onto market as ex-demo, or via the Supermarkets which are owned by big Franchise, or subtle disguise by Manufacturers.