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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Lizzie Zoom on 17 March 2021, 17:17:04
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So now the EU, after being too damned slow in securing the vaccines originally, then being ridiculously slow in vaccinating their citizens, then banning the use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca over unsubstantiated concerns of blood clotting, now are warning that they may well block the UK's supplies of that vaccine to level up the playing field!!! :o :o :o :o :o
The Government are now warning this afternoon that supplies of the vaccines could be significantly reduced from March 29th!!
Who the hell does the EU think they are. They alone restricted the ability of their citizens to receive vaccinations, with I think just around 17 million in total for the whole of the EU, being so far given their jab, compared to over 25 million for the UK, but now want to penalize us for their stupidity and inefficiency. >:( >:(
Thank God we are no longer part of the EU as I, along with many millions of UK citizens, would not have been able to have our injections.
Our Government must put their foot down on this, and are already warning that "Contracts must be honored" :y :y
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WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What is it good for?
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In today's figures, people testing positive is only down 1.2% over the last week. People dying and people admitted to hospital are down 30% and 25% respectively. This proves, to me, that the vaccine is working.
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Not sure that is a scientific conclusion. It could for example be as a result of whatever lockdown measure was in place a few weeks back. However that is what the experts are saying so it must be right!
European country expat forums are full of threads on vaccine war and have been for weeks. Austria are now demanding their fair share for example so doses arent even allocated per capita to EU countries.
This latest action by the EU is just a distraction technique to take the heat off Brussells for being so tardy in ordering. I wonder if AZ wished now that they had charged a rip off price like the other vaccine players?
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Not sure that is a scientific conclusion. It could for example be as a result of whatever lockdown measure was in place a few weeks back. However that is what the experts are saying so it must be right!
European country expat forums are full of threads on vaccine war and have been for weeks. Austria are now demanding their fair share for example so doses arent even allocated per capita to EU countries.
This latest action by the EU is just a distraction technique to take the heat off Brussells for being so tardy in ordering. I wonder if AZ wished now that they had charged a rip off price like the other vaccine players?
It's what I'm saying, too, so it's definitely right.
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The E.U. is showing its true colours now >:(
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Thank fk we're out of that corrupt fkd up shithouse of a gang.
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Thank fk we're out of that corrupt fkd up shithouse of a gang.
Eloquent, as ever, Rae. ;D
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A group of friends book a table at a restaurant for dinner.
All but one order and pay for their meals in advance, turn up at the booked time and are served their meals promptly.
The other friend turns up late, orders his meal, but insists that it is served at the same time as his friends pre ordered meals. When the waiter says that this is not possible he has a complete meltdown, barges into the kitchen to see what's going on, threatens to sue the restaurant and his friends, and then tries to steal his friends meals.
That friend is the EU....
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Thanks Steve, ;) and cracking analogy other Steve :y :y
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A very good analogy indeed. :y
They are flailing around and lashing out in utter desperation. Ursula is utterly incompetent (ask any German) and is desperately trying to make sure she doesnt get the blame no matter what happens.
If tens of thousands of people die as a result, I imagine it wont matter much. Just a bit of collateral damage.
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Thank God we are no longer part of the EU as I, along with many millions of UK citizens, would not have been able to have our injections.
Why? In the UK the authority for drug approval is (and has been since 2003) the MHRA. Here is a list of more than 23000 drugs that the MHRA had approved for use in the UK up to 2015.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/297628/response/731166/attach/3/All%20MAs%20listing.xls?cookie_passthrough=1
The list is a result of a FOI request issued in October 2015, so well before the vote to leave the EU. https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/drug_approval_dates
EU countries can if they wish approve drugs through their own national bodies just like the UK has been doing for 18 years. The EMA is actually a body made up from representatives of many national bodies, although the UK is obviously not now a member. The fact that various countries are dicking about and waiting for the EU/EMA to get their ducks in a row is down to national politics and incompetence. If a country doesn't want to dick about it doesn't have to. Some countries may not have the structures in place, or the scientific know-how, to approve drugs nationally because they have relied on the EMA to do that. Again that's a political decision that they have taken, and perhaps they will review that decision in the light of recent experiences.
Either way, member of the EU or not makes no difference to whether you would have got your jab or not. The rest of your post does have merit though.
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Great Britain is the official world pandemic vaccine champions :y
The rest of Europe is in a state of utter confusion , new cases of covid are rising & their lock-downs are tightening. Multiple EU countries have stopped using the AstraZeneca vaccine until the EMA says "yes" or "no" whether it is safe.
I think Bulgaria must come pretty low down on the vaccine score card, only about 270.000 ppl have so far been vaccinated including their PM & all his family & friends ::)
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Great Britain is the official world pandemic vaccine champions :y
The rest of Europe is in a state of utter confusion , new cases of covid are rising & their lock-downs are tightening. Multiple EU countries have stopped using the AstraZeneca vaccine until the EMA says "yes" or "no" whether it is safe.
I think Bulgaria must come pretty low down on the vaccine score card, only about 270.000 ppl have so far been vaccinated including their PM & all his family & friends ::)
That bit is actually fake news ;D but that German bint will thank me for it ::)
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Thank God we are no longer part of the EU as I, along with many millions of UK citizens, would not have been able to have our injections.
Why? In the UK the authority for drug approval is (and has been since 2003) the MHRA. Here is a list of more than 23000 drugs that the MHRA had approved for use in the UK up to 2015.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/297628/response/731166/attach/3/All%20MAs%20listing.xls?cookie_passthrough=1
The list is a result of a FOI request issued in October 2015, so well before the vote to leave the EU. https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/drug_approval_dates
EU countries can if they wish approve drugs through their own national bodies just like the UK has been doing for 18 years. The EMA is actually a body made up from representatives of many national bodies, although the UK is obviously not now a member. The fact that various countries are dicking about and waiting for the EU/EMA to get their ducks in a row is down to national politics and incompetence. If a country doesn't want to dick about it doesn't have to. Some countries may not have the structures in place, or the scientific know-how, to approve drugs nationally because they have relied on the EMA to do that. Again that's a political decision that they have taken, and perhaps they will review that decision in the light of recent experiences.
Either way, member of the EU or not makes no difference to whether you would have got your jab or not. The rest of your post does have merit though.
Yes it's technically true that as members of the EU Britain could have gone it's own way with the vaccines, but the idea that we would have as members is simply laughable! ::) ;D
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Thank God we are no longer part of the EU as I, along with many millions of UK citizens, would not have been able to have our injections.
Why? In the UK the authority for drug approval is (and has been since 2003) the MHRA. Here is a list of more than 23000 drugs that the MHRA had approved for use in the UK up to 2015.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/297628/response/731166/attach/3/All%20MAs%20listing.xls?cookie_passthrough=1
The list is a result of a FOI request issued in October 2015, so well before the vote to leave the EU. https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/drug_approval_dates
EU countries can if they wish approve drugs through their own national bodies just like the UK has been doing for 18 years. The EMA is actually a body made up from representatives of many national bodies, although the UK is obviously not now a member. The fact that various countries are dicking about and waiting for the EU/EMA to get their ducks in a row is down to national politics and incompetence. If a country doesn't want to dick about it doesn't have to. Some countries may not have the structures in place, or the scientific know-how, to approve drugs nationally because they have relied on the EMA to do that. Again that's a political decision that they have taken, and perhaps they will review that decision in the light of recent experiences.
Either way, member of the EU or not makes no difference to whether you would have got your jab or not. The rest of your post does have merit though.
Yes it's technically true that as members of the EU Britain could have gone it's own way with the vaccines, but the idea that we would have as members is simply laughable! ::) ;D
So why would the EU/EMA be to blame when the UK can, has and did do it's own approvals?
Waiting for the EMA is a national govt decision, not one imposed by the EU. The EMA is basically a committee made up of national representatives, plus a few drug company reps/scientists. The committee sets a meeting schedule, and they meet according to that schedule. It can be 1, 2 or 3 months between meetings. Changing the EMA schedule means many people re-arranging their own schedules - and you have to pick a day when everyone is available. So yes the EMA can be slow, but it gets there in the end.
The real problem in much of mainland Europe is that the general public don't trust this vaccine, or vaccines in general. There are reports from France and Germany that the only people turning up at the doctors clinics are British ex-pats. France supposedly has more than 5 million doses waiting to be used. Politicians are doing what politicians do - blame everyone else except themselves.
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The real problem in much of mainland Europe is that the general public don't trust this vaccine, or vaccines in general. There are reports from France and Germany that the only people turning up at the doctors clinics are British ex-pats. France supposedly has more than 5 million doses waiting to be used. Politicians are doing what politicians do - blame everyone else except themselves.
Which is very difficult to believe when you consider what a bunch of hypochondriacs the French are.
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Thank God we are no longer part of the EU as I, along with many millions of UK citizens, would not have been able to have our injections.
Why? In the UK the authority for drug approval is (and has been since 2003) the MHRA. Here is a list of more than 23000 drugs that the MHRA had approved for use in the UK up to 2015.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/297628/response/731166/attach/3/All%20MAs%20listing.xls?cookie_passthrough=1
The list is a result of a FOI request issued in October 2015, so well before the vote to leave the EU. https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/drug_approval_dates
EU countries can if they wish approve drugs through their own national bodies just like the UK has been doing for 18 years. The EMA is actually a body made up from representatives of many national bodies, although the UK is obviously not now a member. The fact that various countries are dicking about and waiting for the EU/EMA to get their ducks in a row is down to national politics and incompetence. If a country doesn't want to dick about it doesn't have to. Some countries may not have the structures in place, or the scientific know-how, to approve drugs nationally because they have relied on the EMA to do that. Again that's a political decision that they have taken, and perhaps they will review that decision in the light of recent experiences.
Either way, member of the EU or not makes no difference to whether you would have got your jab or not. The rest of your post does have merit though.
Yes it's technically true that as members of the EU Britain could have gone it's own way with the vaccines, but the idea that we would have as members is simply laughable! ::) ;D
So why would the EU/EMA be to blame when the UK can, has and did do it's own approvals?
Waiting for the EMA is a national govt decision, not one imposed by the EU. The EMA is basically a committee made up of national representatives, plus a few drug company reps/scientists. The committee sets a meeting schedule, and they meet according to that schedule. It can be 1, 2 or 3 months between meetings. Changing the EMA schedule means many people re-arranging their own schedules - and you have to pick a day when everyone is available. So yes the EMA can be slow, but it gets there in the end.
The real problem in much of mainland Europe is that the general public don't trust this vaccine, or vaccines in general. There are reports from France and Germany that the only people turning up at the doctors clinics are British ex-pats. France supposedly has more than 5 million doses waiting to be used. Politicians are doing what politicians do - blame everyone else except themselves.
So are you saying that Britain would have approved the vaccines without waiting for the EMA if we were still members of the EU? ???
I don't believe so. The EMA was based in London when we were members and it would have been an extraordinary political vote of no confidence in an EU agency based on our own soil if we had gone ahead with our own vaccine roll out based on the emergency approval from the MHRA without waiting for the EMA. ::)
Anyway, the EU vaccine programme is more than just the approvals from the EMA, and takes in the purchase and allocation of the vaccines as well, which they've basically cocked up on a grand scale. :(
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The reason people in Europe dont trust the AZ vaccine is because their politicians have spent the last couple of months telling them not to trust it, for purely political reasons.
So they are really playing politics with the lives of their electors.
Lower than a snakes gonads in a cart rut. ::)
I genuinely believe we are seeing the start of the process where the whole rotten edifice starts to crumble and disintegrate.
Its just a matter of time.
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Bit of Spanish news. While we are still waiting for our vaccinations and have lockdown continuing to Easter and maybe beyond....... with talk of a third wave.
The French have been and continue to come on holiday to Madrid.
The Germans and Swiss are booking Easter 2021 holidays to Murcia ( between Valencia and Malaga).
You couldn’t make it up.
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Meanwhile it's been reported that the EU Parliament's budget committee has voted 38-3 in favour of spending €4.2m of taxpayers' cash on an exclusive vaccine centre for MEPs and their staff, as well as ramping up their current state-of-the-art testing facility. ::)
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Gosh, I wished I had tendered or that . Could have made £4.1 million profit.........
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So are you saying that Britain would have approved the vaccines without waiting for the EMA if we were still members of the EU? ???
I don't believe so. The EMA was based in London when we were members and it would have been an extraordinary political vote of no confidence in an EU agency based on our own soil if we had gone ahead with our own vaccine roll out based on the emergency approval from the MHRA without waiting for the EMA. ::)
I think we would have. I mean MHRA has only licensed 23 thousand drugs between 2003 and 2015. One more would make little difference. ::)
Everyone in the industry knows that the EMA can be a burocratic quagmire whereas the MHRA are (slightly) more straightforward to deal with. Ultimatley it's up to national politicians who they listen to for approvals, so Boris is free to ask the drug companies to submit to the MHRA or wait for the EMA. Your belief is therefore that Boris would have decided to wait for the EMA. Anything is possible with that eejit, but I think even he would have realised the MHRA were a faster route to approval.
I've been told (by someone that deals with both the EMA and MHRA) that about one quarter of the EMA decision making staff were actually MHRA employees seconded to the EMA. Another quarter were drug company experts. One of the reasons for the recent EMA slow response is because of their moving out of London, and having to find new staff.
Anyway, the EU vaccine programme is more than just the approvals from the EMA, and takes in the purchase and allocation of the vaccines as well, which they've basically cocked up on a grand scale. :(
No argument from me there. However the UK program is also more than just the MHRA. Once a drug is approved for use, NICE (in England - or one of the other 3 bodies in the other home nations), has to approve the drug for NHS use. Plenty of drugs are approved by EMA/HMRA but unavailable on the NHS - usually but not always because of cost.
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Thank God we are no longer part of the EU as I, along with many millions of UK citizens, would not have been able to have our injections.
Why? In the UK the authority for drug approval is (and has been since 2003) the MHRA. Here is a list of more than 23000 drugs that the MHRA had approved for use in the UK up to 2015.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/297628/response/731166/attach/3/All%20MAs%20listing.xls?cookie_passthrough=1
The list is a result of a FOI request issued in October 2015, so well before the vote to leave the EU. https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/drug_approval_dates
EU countries can if they wish approve drugs through their own national bodies just like the UK has been doing for 18 years. The EMA is actually a body made up from representatives of many national bodies, although the UK is obviously not now a member. The fact that various countries are dicking about and waiting for the EU/EMA to get their ducks in a row is down to national politics and incompetence. If a country doesn't want to dick about it doesn't have to. Some countries may not have the structures in place, or the scientific know-how, to approve drugs nationally because they have relied on the EMA to do that. Again that's a political decision that they have taken, and perhaps they will review that decision in the light of recent experiences.
Either way, member of the EU or not makes no difference to whether you would have got your jab or not. The rest of your post does have merit though.
Yes it's technically true that as members of the EU Britain could have gone it's own way with the vaccines, but the idea that we would have as members is simply laughable! ::) ;D
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Exactly right Sir Tigger :y :y :y
That is what I believe, as if we had still been a member we would have waited until the whole of the EU agreed to order millions of supplies of the vaccine in advance. Boris did not wait as the UK was under no obligation to wait for a green light from the inefficient EU, and in fact promoted the development of the research and the building of plant to produce the vaccines. As part of the EU that would not have happened and thus, as I said, I and millions of our fellow UK citizens would not have received our jabs by now, as many millions of EU citizens have not and will not for some weeks. ;)
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That I what I believe, as if we had still been a member we would have waited until the whole of the EU agreed to order millions of supplies of the vaccine in advance. Boris did not wait as the UK was under no obligation to wait for a green light from the inefficient EU, and in fact promoted the development of the research and the building of plant to produce the vaccines. As part of the EU that would not have happened and thus, as I said, I and millions of our fellow UK citizens would not have received our jabs by now, as many millions of EU citizens have not and will not for some weeks. ;)
There's non so blind as those that won't see. ::)
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That I what I believe, as if we had still been a member we would have waited until the whole of the EU agreed to order millions of supplies of the vaccine in advance. Boris did not wait as the UK was under no obligation to wait for a green light from the inefficient EU, and in fact promoted the development of the research and the building of plant to produce the vaccines. As part of the EU that would not have happened and thus, as I said, I and millions of our fellow UK citizens would not have received our jabs by now, as many millions of EU citizens have not and will not for some weeks. ;)
There's non so blind as those that won't see. ::)
What, see the inefficiency of the EU and know we as a country would not better off in terms of vaccinations if still in it?
I see the daily reports of the state of play in the EU countries, but perhaps YOU are so blind as you cannot see it? ;D ;D ;D
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BREAKING NEWS.
France and Germany have suspended the Astra Zeneca vaccine program amid concerns it attracts moving objects, after a man was run over by a bus when leaving a Vaccination centre. :D
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BREAKING NEWS.
France and Germany have suspended the Astra Zeneca vaccine program amid concerns it attracts moving objects, after a man was run over by a bus when leaving a Vaccination centre. :D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
About sums it all up! ;D ;D ;)
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Your belief is therefore that Boris would have decided to wait for the EMA. Anything is possible with that eejit, but I think even he would have realised the MHRA were a faster route to approval.
Ah but you are assuming that Boris would still be PM if BREXIT had never happened which is unlikely. ;)
If BREXIT had never happened, David Cameron would have either stayed on as Tory leader and PM until the 2020 election and run again for a third term, or he would have stood down before the 2020 election to make way for a new leader probably George Osborne. The Labour leader of course would very probably been Jeremy Corbyn. :) So in the alternate reality, we would have had either PM Cameron, Osborne or Corbyn, and of the three I can only think that Cameron would have vetoed Britain joining the EU vaccine programme. ;)
Of course it's also possible that the 2020 election would have been cancelled because of Covid, in which case we would have either had PM Cameron or Osborne. ???
The other thing which you are discounting is the pro-EU culture in Whitehall. I'd imagine that the Sir Humphries were very against the UK not taking part in the EU's vaccine scheme, even though we left the EU, as there were accusations of petty nationalism and the like when it was announced that the UK was buying it's own vaccines. So if we'd have never left, especially if we'd voted to stay in the EU in 2016 the pressure for us to take part in the EU's vaccine programme would have been immense and I'd have thought that it would have been deemed unthinkable not to take part. ::) :)
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Yes! Or, maybe not. :-\
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Your belief is therefore that Boris would have decided to wait for the EMA. Anything is possible with that eejit, but I think even he would have realised the MHRA were a faster route to approval.
Ah but you are assuming that Boris would still be PM if BREXIT had never happened which is unlikely. ;)
If BREXIT had never happened, David Cameron would have either stayed on as Tory leader and PM until the 2020 election and run again for a third term, or he would have stood down before the 2020 election to make way for a new leader probably George Osborne. The Labour leader of course would very probably been Jeremy Corbyn. :) So in the alternate reality, we would have had either PM Cameron, Osborne or Corbyn, and of the three I can only think that Cameron would have vetoed Britain joining the EU vaccine programme. ;)
Of course it's also possible that the 2020 election would have been cancelled because of Covid, in which case we would have either had PM Cameron or Osborne. ???
The other thing which you are discounting is the pro-EU culture in Whitehall. I'd imagine that the Sir Humphries were very against the UK not taking part in the EU's vaccine scheme, even though we left the EU, as there were accusations of petty nationalism and the like when it was announced that the UK was buying it's own vaccines. So if we'd have never left, especially if we'd voted to stay in the EU in 2016 the pressure for us to take part in the EU's vaccine programme would have been immense and I'd have thought that it would have been deemed unthinkable not to take part. ::) :)
Yes, but that's my point. It's up to the elected representatives of each country to decide what happens in their own country. We elected Boris, and we basically know what he has done. We can't know with any certainty what Cameron, May, Osborne or Corbyn would have done. We do know there is nothing in EU rules that would stop any of them doing exactly what Boris has done. Or they could have devolved responsibility to the EU and it's institutions. However, the point is that if they had decided to devolve then I would hold THEM responsible for any subsequent failures, not the devolved authority.
If a politician can't stand up to EU pressure on a topic that they believe can be done better locally, then they shouldn't be in politics.
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That I what I believe, as if we had still been a member we would have waited until the whole of the EU agreed to order millions of supplies of the vaccine in advance. Boris did not wait as the UK was under no obligation to wait for a green light from the inefficient EU, and in fact promoted the development of the research and the building of plant to produce the vaccines. As part of the EU that would not have happened and thus, as I said, I and millions of our fellow UK citizens would not have received our jabs by now, as many millions of EU citizens have not and will not for some weeks. ;)
There's non so blind as those that won't see. ::)
What, see the inefficiency of the EU and know we as a country would not better off in terms of vaccinations if still in it?
I see the daily reports of the state of play in the EU countries, but perhaps YOU are so blind as you cannot see it? ;D ;D ;D
Being in or out of the EU has nothing to do with health matters. Each country can chose to follow the EU route, or it can setup it's own schemes. The UK has had it's own schemes in place since 2003 at least.
If we/Boris had decided to join the EU schemes then yes we'd possibly/probably be in the same mess as much of mainland Europe. But we didn't have to, and didn't. Germany/France didn't have to, but did. That decision was down to German/French politicians not EU ones. The German/French politicians will happily blame the EU if/when it goes wrong, particularly when the pressure comes on them because the go-it-alone route appears to be working better elsewhere (i.e. the UK)
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Had we remained as a cheerleading member of the EU, regardless of our ability to have chosen our own vaccine programme, and given the already fragile relationships between various other member states, it would have been politically unthinkable that we would not have encouraged all members to join in an EU wide vaccination programme.
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Had we remained as a cheerleading member of the EU, regardless of our ability to have chosen our own vaccine programme, and given the already fragile relationships between various other member states, it would have been politically unthinkable that we would not have encouraged all members to join in an EU wide vaccination programme.
We were never a cheerleading member of the EU ???
After joining we acted like a stroppy teenager in detention.
Which is why we never got the full benefit of being part of it.
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Had we remained as a cheerleading member of the EU, regardless of our ability to have chosen our own vaccine programme, and given the already fragile relationships between various other member states, it would have been politically unthinkable that we would not have encouraged all members to join in an EU wide vaccination programme.
Which again is due to the conviction or spinelessness (delete as required) of national politicians, not the EU.
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Had we remained as a cheerleading member of the EU, regardless of our ability to have chosen our own vaccine programme, and given the already fragile relationships between various other member states, it would have been politically unthinkable that we would not have encouraged all members to join in an EU wide vaccination programme.
We were never a cheerleading member of the EU ???
After joining we acted like a stroppy teenager in detention.
Which is why we never got the full benefit of being part of it.
Like we never got to join the Euro for example? ::)
Or maybe you mean Schengen? :-\
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Had we remained as a cheerleading member of the EU, regardless of our ability to have chosen our own vaccine programme, and given the already fragile relationships between various other member states, it would have been politically unthinkable that we would not have encouraged all members to join in an EU wide vaccination programme.
We were never a cheerleading member of the EU ???
After joining we acted like a stroppy teenager in detention.
Which is why we never got the full benefit of being part of it.
You have a short memory Nick, we were under Cameron until the Brexit vote.
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Had we remained as a cheerleading member of the EU, regardless of our ability to have chosen our own vaccine programme, and given the already fragile relationships between various other member states, it would have been politically unthinkable that we would not have encouraged all members to join in an EU wide vaccination programme.
We were never a cheerleading member of the EU ???
After joining we acted like a stroppy teenager in detention.
Which is why we never got the full benefit of being part of it.
You have a short memory Nick, we were under Cameron until the Brexit vote.
So?
As one of the top three economies in the EU we should have used that to be a political power, like Germany does. That could have included reducing the terrible inefficiencies, overarching political ambitions like an EU military, the unaffordable single currency etc. Basically, that's keeping the idea of the EEC changing into the EU. That it did so was always the politicians intent since the idea was originally mooted post WW2
Instead we just rolled over and played dead, moaning all the time about how unfair it all was.
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Cameron went and begged Merkel for a temporary brake on immigration to shoot the Brexiteer fox. She judged that the Brits wouldnt vote to leave no matter what, so told him to far cough. And the rest is history.
The UK never had much power within the EU. Power is held mainly by the Germans and to some extent the French.
All we ever really did was give them lots of our money to spend how they saw fit.
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Cameron went and begged Merkel for a temporary brake on immigration to shoot the Brexiteer fox. She judged that the Brits wouldnt vote to leave no matter what, so told him to far cough. And the rest is history.
The UK never had much power within the EU. Power is held mainly by the Germans and to some extent the French.
All we ever really did was give them lots of our money to spend how they saw fit.
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Meanwhile, did anyone see sleepy Joe fall up the stairs, three times, while trying to board Air Force 1 today ! ? :o
Commie Harris could be Commander in chief by Christmas, by the look of him. ::)
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Cameron went and begged Merkel for a temporary brake on immigration to shoot the Brexiteer fox. She judged that the Brits wouldnt vote to leave no matter what, so told him to far cough. And the rest is history.
The UK never had much power within the EU. Power is held mainly by the Germans and to some extent the French.
All we ever really did was give them lots of our money to spend how they saw fit.
A good example was Tony Blair giving up a large chuck of Thatcher's hard won budget rebate in return for the reform of the CAP, which never happened. >:(
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Meanwhile, did anyone see sleepy Joe fall up the stairs, three times, while trying to board Air Force 1 today ! ? :o
Commie Harris could be Commander in chief by Christmas, by the look of him. ::)
Yes can you imagine the wall to wall coverage if Trump had tripped up like that? ::)
He's got off to a great start with his foreign policy as well, calling Putin a killer and already having a spat with the Chinese. :-X ::)
And still no press conference..... :-\
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Meanwhile, did anyone see sleepy Joe fall up the stairs, three times, while trying to board Air Force 1 today ! ? :o
Commie Harris could be Commander in chief by Christmas, by the look of him. ::)
With his physical prowess failing the voters are lucky his intellectual capacity remains undiminished. :) ::) ::)
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Meanwhile, did anyone see sleepy Joe fall up the stairs, three times, while trying to board Air Force 1 today ! ? :o
Commie Harris could be Commander in chief by Christmas, by the look of him. ::)
Yes can you imagine the wall to wall coverage if Trump had tripped up like that? ::)
He's got off to a great start with his foreign policy as well, calling Putin a killer and already having a spat with the Chinese. :-X ::)
And still no press conference..... :-\
Yep, he has been an utter disaster and laughing stock so far, but the MSM are completely ignoring it all.
Roll on the start of the GB News later this year. :y
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Meanwhile, did anyone see sleepy Joe fall up the stairs, three times, while trying to board Air Force 1 today ! ? :o
Commie Harris could be Commander in chief by Christmas, by the look of him. ::)
Apparently he referred to her as President Harris the other day and seemingly wasn't even aware of his mistake. ;D
Shouldn't laugh really, as I think it will be quite painful to watch his decline played out for the world to see. :-\
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Meanwhile, did anyone see sleepy Joe fall up the stairs, three times, while trying to board Air Force 1 today ! ? :o
Commie Harris could be Commander in chief by Christmas, by the look of him. ::)
Yes can you imagine the wall to wall coverage if Trump had tripped up like that? ::)
He's got off to a great start with his foreign policy as well, calling Putin a killer and already having a spat with the Chinese. :-X ::)
And still no press conference..... :-\
Whereas Trump called the Chinese killers and wanked Vlad off at every opportunity ;D
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Meanwhile, did anyone see sleepy Joe fall up the stairs, three times, while trying to board Air Force 1 today ! ? :o
Commie Harris could be Commander in chief by Christmas, by the look of him. ::)
Apparently he referred to her as President Harris the other day and seemingly wasn't even aware of his mistake. ;D
Shouldn't laugh really, as I think it will be quite painful to watch his decline played out for the world to see. :-\
I think it'll be funny. Even funnier will be the apoplectic rants if the VPOC (Vice President of Colour) gets to be commander in chief. ;D
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Had we remained as a cheerleading member of the EU, regardless of our ability to have chosen our own vaccine programme, and given the already fragile relationships between various other member states, it would have been politically unthinkable that we would not have encouraged all members to join in an EU wide vaccination programme.
We were never a cheerleading member of the EU ???
After joining we acted like a stroppy teenager in detention.
Which is why we never got the full benefit of being part of it.
Benefit? Don’t make me laugh.
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My turn tomorrow for my 1st jab. Hope they send a cute nurse. ::)
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I had the AZ jab a few weeks back. Felt really tired and quite "fluey" for about 3 days.
Apparently thats a sign that its working properly though, so no worries. :)
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My lad had the AstraZeneca jab this morning.
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My turn tomorrow for my 1st jab. Hope they send a cute nurse. ::)
Send a nurse?
I've got to go to the hospital for mine.....
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We both had Pfizer about 3 weeks ago , absolutely no side effects at all.
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I'm due my second in two weeks, I won't hold my breath.
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Had some advice & questions ready for tomorrow, been warned I may get a headache for upto to 3 days, asked about taking paracetamol after all that I heard about it helping. Was asked about blood thing meds, coughs, high temp etc.
Also had to ask which vacine I am getting (Astra one) :y
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1st Jab done :y. Lovely nurse, very helpfull good advice given. . . . and yes she was.
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Me and the Mrs had ours on Wednesday , no side effects up to now .
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1st Jab done :y . Lovely nurse, very helpfull good advice given. . . . and yes she was.
Just got home from mine. Whole process was quick and efficient, I was in the building for about 10minutes.
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Did they say,, Nick has left the building? ;D
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Did they say,, Nick has left the building? ;D
How would I know, I was outside?
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Good point👍
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My turn tomorrow for my 1st jab. Hope they send a cute nurse. ::)
I believe the nurse gives the jab in just bra and panties in your neck of the wood , Skruntie. :y
I'm told he is a nice chap. :)
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Thread title is actually wrong. They want to have their cake and not eat it.
They have slagged off the AZ vaccine and frightened their own people into refusing to have it.
They have millions of doses sitting doing nothing because people are scared to have it, but they still want to keep any more being produced to stop them from coming here !
They even got the police to raid a factory in Italy to seize Vaccine they thought was headed for the UK.
It turned out it wasnt and they had to go away with red faces.
Couldnt run an orgy in a brothel. It would be hilarious if it wasnt put lots of peoples lives at risk.
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My turn tomorrow for my 1st jab. Hope they send a cute nurse. ::)
I believe the nurse gives the jab in just bra and panties in your neck of the wood , Skruntie. :y
I'm told he is a nice chap. :)
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I voted to remain but the more time that goes by the more I'm thinking it was for the best we leave.
The EU seems to be in terminal decline.
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Yep, they are currently fighting like rats in a sack. Desperately trying to blame one another for the total incompetence they are collectively guilty of.
They dont care how bad it makes any of the others look, as long as they can save their own skin.
Ursula is their Theresa, apart from the fact she has seven kids and Theresa doesnt have any.
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Ive changed my mind about a second referendum. I think we should have one next Thursday. ;D