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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Andy H on 15 November 2021, 10:02:22
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What on earth happened there?
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Police were pretty quick at mopping up the suspects, must have been on their radar.
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Video of the blast makes for shocking viewing, seemed the scumbag was heading for the remembrance parade at the main cathedral but didn't get there in time due to traffic so asked the taxi driver to pull into the hospital where it went off >:(. The driver apparently wouldn't let him out of the cab as he knew summat was up and thankfully wasn't too badly hurt. Nice to see a gofund me page has been set up to cover the drivers wages during his recovery.
Police response seems to have been pretty good and I hope the three arrested are currently getting a good shoeing.
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The device didn't seem large enough to have done much damage. The explosion we saw was confined to the car and didn't exactly blow it apart. I'm assuming there was no shrapnel as I don't think the driver would have walked away if there was.
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The device didn't seem large enough to have done much damage. The explosion we saw was confined to the car and didn't exactly blow it apart. I'm assuming there was no shrapnel as I don't think the driver would have walked away if there was.
TCV/Stab screen would have taken the initial hit. But a lucky escape nevertheless.
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The device didn't seem large enough to have done much damage. The explosion we saw was confined to the car and didn't exactly blow it apart. I'm assuming there was no shrapnel as I don't think the driver would have walked away if there was.
TCV/Stab screen would have taken the initial hit. But a lucky escape nevertheless.
Private hire car so doubt it had any additional screening, badly made bomb ( thankfully) by the looks of it
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In a carrier bag, it would make minimal mess compared to a cast iron litter bin :-\
The hospital made little sense as a target, but could have been significantly worse. So, small mercies.
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The device didn't seem large enough to have done much damage. The explosion we saw was confined to the car and didn't exactly blow it apart. I'm assuming there was no shrapnel as I don't think the driver would have walked away if there was.
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Thankfully they were probably too stupid to make one that would have created the desired effect, but sweet fa will happen to them, bastards should have a lethal injection.
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Definitely too soft, that’s why they keep on attacking us. These type of people need proper punishment
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The device didn't seem large enough to have done much damage. The explosion we saw was confined to the car and didn't exactly blow it apart. I'm assuming there was no shrapnel as I don't think the driver would have walked away if there was.
Was it enough to 'blow the bloody doors off' ::)
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The device didn't seem large enough to have done much damage. The explosion we saw was confined to the car and didn't exactly blow it apart. I'm assuming there was no shrapnel as I don't think the driver would have walked away if there was.
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Thankfully they were probably too stupid to make one that would have created the desired effect, but sweet fa will happen to them, bastards should have a lethal injection.
Ah you know it's all over when even Mick starts wringing his hands and going all liberal on us like a bleddy do gooder! ;D
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The way the car caught fire I'm guessing poor Mohammed was well and truly toasted
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Quite reassuring to see a picture of a "heavily armed police officer" raiding a suspect house in full camo military gear, night vision set up and holding what looks to be a silenced C8 carbine, looks like the Hereford Police might be lending a hand up here, very much appreciated :y
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The way the car caught fire I'm guessing poor Mohammed was well and truly toasted
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At least it saves the taxpayer thousands, and the Officers on the landings having to watch what they say in front of him in case he takes offence, hope he now rots in his fu**ing paradise.
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Surprise surprise. He was an asylum seeker, who had been taken in by well meaning, middle class do gooders who thought they had converted him to Christianity.
Seems it was they who had been taken in. ::)
Nice to see him fry though. I enjoyed that. :)
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Surprise surprise. He was an asylum seeker, who had been taken in by well meaning, middle class do gooders who thought they had converted him to Christianity.
Seems it was they who had been taken in. ::)
Nice to see him fry though. I enjoyed that. :)
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According to the BBC news he had " mental health issues" which in my circles equates to he was a complete c**t. How long does the UK have to put up with this crap ?
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It goes on and on and on too many do gooders, I want my wall built all around our coast line as I’ve said before. It’s about time we had a clearout too, we are being passively invaded. Mental issues they say oh that’s ok then, by the looks of it if things had gone as the kebab planned it could have been far worse, we should totally stop the cash we are giving France to stop the boats too Macron is laughing all the way to the bank the snivelling little sneaky t..t. Trouble is you can’t do this you can’t do that don’t pick on these etc, it’s a recipe for disaster the rate we are taking this type of scum in we will either end up sunk or afraid to go out there are parts of Britain people are indeed experiencing this now. This country needs a radical shakeup, but who’s going to do it? Some don’t like Farage but I do,I think he has some very good ideas.
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The MSM are making a big thing about how he converted to Christianity, yet completely played down the religion of the Tory MP's murderer. ::)
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Yep we’re being brainwashed again
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Perhaps his childhood sweetheart and baby died in childbirth at the hospital due to negligence... Not that they would bother to mention that.
It goes without saying that someone prepared to build and detonate a bomb in their lap has mental health issues :-X In fact, it's probably a prerequisite...
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Pity he just didn’t just jump off a bridge
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Perhaps his childhood sweetheart and baby died in childbirth at the hospital due to negligence... Not that they would bother to mention that.
It goes without saying that someone prepared to build and detonate a bomb in their lap has mental health issues :-X In fact, it's probably a prerequisite...
Yes, indeed. :y
You must be mad to do such an evil thing like build a bomb, let alone go to a women's hospital to set it off where new life has arrived!
Bloody bastard, thank God he died in the attempt! >:( >:( >:(
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You must be mad to do such an evil thing like build a bomb, let alone go to a women's hospital to set it off where new life has arrived!
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but a lot of bombers eg Manchester bomber are just BAD
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Can never understand why foreign criminals are not deported on completion of their sentences. Now we are no longer in the corrupt institution that is also called the EU, it should be even easier to get rid of the riffraff.
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You must be mad to do such an evil thing like build a bomb, let alone go to a women's hospital to set it off where new life has arrived!
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but a lot of bombers eg Manchester bomber are just BAD
But others, like Hitler are bad and mad ;)
So have others throughout history.
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I have the perfect solutions. But you lot don't like it.
Not only does it cure these incidents, it cures the need for demolishing more of our green and pleasant land for housing, and reduces th tax payer burden.
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Im on side. :y
Although you may well cull me. ;D
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A lot would like to see it happen TB but nobody in power has the balls , the answer is obvious but unfortunately unobtainable.
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But others, like Hitler are bad and mad ;)
Probably started out with good ideas, maybe. But, ultimately, was a racist, evil bastard.
Trouble is, most things written about his earlier years are written from the viewpoint of his later actions. He was democratically elected, so he must have struck a cord at that time.
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Perhaps his childhood sweetheart and baby died in childbirth at the hospital due to negligence... Not that they would bother to mention that.
It goes without saying that someone prepared to build and detonate a bomb in their lap has mental health issues :-X In fact, it's probably a prerequisite...
Yes, indeed. :y
You must be mad to do such an evil thing like build a bomb, let alone go to a women's hospital to set it off where new life has arrived!
Bloody bastard, thank God he died in the attempt! >:( >:( >:(
There you go again... One moment you're telling us that lots of weird and wonderful fringe minorities live lives of constant misery and it is all our fault because we can't possibly have any notion of the mental health issues that they are blessed with...
The next you are busy dismissing the action of a clearly disturbed individual as an act of simple madness.
Whilst that sinks in, consider that much of what most people do, makes little sense to everyone else.
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Im on side. :y
Although you may well cull me. ;D
Me too! :y
As long as 50-something white blokes from the great county of Dorsetshire are exempt from the cull. :-\ ::) ;D
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I had a read at this Wiki article this evening just to refresh my memory of it .
I appreciate it's Wiki but most of the salient points can be referenced .
It's quite revealing really and his predictions are uncomfortably close to reality .
I would suggest that he was indeed correct .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech
Oh , and I should say that I could not give an Astronauts fart if you don't agree , or feel that some minority are discriminated against .
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I’m 100% with you
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Perhaps his childhood sweetheart and baby died in childbirth at the hospital due to negligence... Not that they would bother to mention that.
It goes without saying that someone prepared to build and detonate a bomb in their lap has mental health issues :-X In fact, it's probably a prerequisite...
Yes, indeed. :y
You must be mad to do such an evil thing like build a bomb, let alone go to a women's hospital to set it off where new life has arrived!
Bloody bastard, thank God he died in the attempt! >:( >:( >:(
There you go again... One moment you're telling us that lots of weird and wonderful fringe minorities live lives of constant misery and it is all our fault because we can't possibly have any notion of the mental health issues that they are blessed with...
The next you are busy dismissing the action of a clearly disturbed individual as an act of simple madness.
Whilst that sinks in, consider that much of what most people do, makes little sense to everyone else.
People within the “diversity” are not all suffering from mental health issues, far from it. Those issues can arise though when others torment and degrade them to their face, or online.
So there is a big difference in those that are bad / evil and mad, and those who are simply suffering from life’s pressures, within or outside the “normal” sectors of society. That society does consist, as you touch on, of people who certainly do not think the same as the next person; that makes us human.
Hitler was evil, very bad and a lunatic, which even his generals, with a key example being Erwin Rommel, started to recognise after at least 1942 as his decision making became very erratic.
The man who has just blown himself up outside the women’s hospital was, by all accounts showing no sign of madness. He was just with evil thought that persuaded him to try and do what we THINK was the aim; kill innocents.
These two cases are very different, and again I have great experience in the mental health field, so I do know something about what I am trying to explain. In summary, some people are thoroughly evil, some become evil, others become mentally ill but would not be considered evil, the rest of society is a mixture of balanced and almost off of balanced individuals, which displays the tight rope of life we tread. Those who are Diverse just fall in with the rest of us, and CAN be any of the above!
So that is why I stated what I did, and I hope DG you can understand that. At no stage though to I interject religion - faith - beliefs into the equation, because then it becomes very muddied!
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But others, like Hitler are bad and mad ;)
Probably started out with good ideas, maybe. But, ultimately, was a racist, evil bastard.
Trouble is, most things written about his earlier years are written from the viewpoint of his later actions. He was democratically elected, so he must have struck a cord at that time.
Yes, indeed. Before he started to go to war, he was recognised as being a great new German leader who created a thriving industrial state, full employment, new transport links, after the disastrous depression that had brought the German State which Hitler blamed on Jews, foreigners, and the Versailles Treaty concocted by the “enemy” to its knees. He raised the morale, pride and national confidence in the people, who witnessed their Germany become a world power again. It was all good.
But his evil, that actually you can try and read in his book Mein Kampf ( difficult to do as generally it is a rant of madness and evil that hints of the major events to come) was raising its terrible head in the discrimination, arrests and beatings of the “minorities” and those considered enemies of the State, which in any other democracy are recognised as legitimate opposition.
The madness, and pure Evil of Hitler and his gang then came on fully and we know what happened next - result 65+ million dead, and lives ruined worldwide. :'( :'(
So TB, with your cull once started you must be able to control its end ;D ;)
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The end is easy. You either run out of means or people.
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But others, like Hitler are bad and mad ;)
Probably started out with good ideas, maybe. But, ultimately, was a racist, evil bastard.
Trouble is, most things written about his earlier years are written from the viewpoint of his later actions. He was democratically elected, so he must have struck a cord at that time.
Yes, indeed. Before he started to go to war, he was recognised as being a great new German leader who created a thriving industrial state, full employment, new transport links, after the disastrous depression that had brought the German State which Hitler blamed on Jews, foreigners, and the Versailles Treaty concocted by the “enemy” to its knees. He raised the morale, pride and national confidence in the people, who witnessed their Germany become a world power again. It was all good.
But his evil, that actually you can try and read in his book Mein Kampf ( difficult to do as generally it is a rant of madness and evil that hints of the major events to come) was raising its terrible head in the discrimination, arrests and beatings of the “minorities” and those considered enemies of the State, which in any other democracy are recognised as legitimate opposition.
The madness, and pure Evil of Hitler and his gang then came on fully and we know what happened next - result 65+ million dead, and lives ruined worldwide. :'( :'(
So TB, with your cull once started you must be able to control its end ;D ;)
Perhaps his childhood sweetheart and baby died in childbirth at the hospital due to negligence... Not that they would bother to mention that.
It goes without saying that someone prepared to build and detonate a bomb in their lap has mental health issues :-X In fact, it's probably a prerequisite...
Yes, indeed. :y
You must be mad to do such an evil thing like build a bomb, let alone go to a women's hospital to set it off where new life has arrived!
Bloody bastard, thank God he died in the attempt! >:( >:( >:(
Make your mind up and stick to it.
First he must be mad, then he is evil, then all of a sudden, he is on a par with Hitler.
And, by the way, all those minorities you seem so keen to divisify are actually lots of very different groups with some very different ideas. So, again, when I suggested that you should see ALL the colours of the rainbow, that is exactly what I meant. Your 'experience, expertise and advice' focuses on a disproportionate representation of the collective minorities and serves little benefit to anyone as all the attention is focused on one broad sweep rather than the pieces of the puzzle.
Oh, in case you missed it, this so called terrorist (back to the whole war on terror BS), was a recently converted Christian. You can ignore and skirt around it, but that's the reality of it. And, Incidentally, he isn't the first recently converted Christian housed and helped by weird do gooders Christian surrogates who has gone on to try to cause harm and distruction... The chemical bomber on a train in SW Lundun a few years ago to name but one.
And that's before we get started on the whole still here seven years after he was denied asylum and an appeal :-X
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But others, like Hitler are bad and mad ;)
Probably started out with good ideas, maybe. But, ultimately, was a racist, evil bastard.
Trouble is, most things written about his earlier years are written from the viewpoint of his later actions. He was democratically elected, so he must have struck a cord at that time.
Yes, indeed. Before he started to go to war, he was recognised as being a great new German leader who created a thriving industrial state, full employment, new transport links, after the disastrous depression that had brought the German State which Hitler blamed on Jews, foreigners, and the Versailles Treaty concocted by the “enemy” to its knees. He raised the morale, pride and national confidence in the people, who witnessed their Germany become a world power again. It was all good.
But his evil, that actually you can try and read in his book Mein Kampf ( difficult to do as generally it is a rant of madness and evil that hints of the major events to come) was raising its terrible head in the discrimination, arrests and beatings of the “minorities” and those considered enemies of the State, which in any other democracy are recognised as legitimate opposition.
The madness, and pure Evil of Hitler and his gang then came on fully and we know what happened next - result 65+ million dead, and lives ruined worldwide. :'( :'(
So TB, with your cull once started you must be able to control its end ;D ;)
Perhaps his childhood sweetheart and baby died in childbirth at the hospital due to negligence... Not that they would bother to mention that.
It goes without saying that someone prepared to build and detonate a bomb in their lap has mental health issues :-X In fact, it's probably a prerequisite...
Yes, indeed. :y
You must be mad to do such an evil thing like build a bomb, let alone go to a women's hospital to set it off where new life has arrived!
Bloody bastard, thank God he died in the attempt! >:( >:( >:(
Make your mind up and stick to it.
First he must be mad, then he is evil, then all of a sudden, he is on a par with Hitler.
And, by the way, all those minorities you seem so keen to divisify are actually lots of very different groups with some very different ideas. So, again, when I suggested that you should see ALL the colours of the rainbow, that is exactly what I meant. Your 'experience, expertise and advice' focuses on a disproportionate representation of the collective minorities and serves little benefit to anyone as all the attention is focused on one broad sweep rather than the pieces of the puzzle.
Oh, in case you missed it, this so called terrorist (back to the whole war on terror BS), was a recently converted Christian. You can ignore and skirt around it, but that's the reality of it. And, Incidentally, he isn't the first recently converted Christian housed and helped by weird do gooders Christian surrogates who has gone on to try to cause harm and distruction... The chemical bomber on a train in SW Lundun a few years ago to name but one.
And that's before we get started on the whole still here seven years after he was denied asylum and an appeal :-X
I have and stuck with it. :y :y
I have not said that, and would not dream of comparing one suicide bomber with the lunatic, megalomaniac, Hitler! You really do love twisting words and statements of mine and others. ::) ::)
As for that bomber, know one yet knows what was in his mind, what his objectives were, and if he was simply mad or just pure evil.
We live in an imperfect World and labels cannot be attached to particular sectors of society as we ALL are so diverse, as you and I prove!! ;D ;D ;)
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The Borg Collective is diverse.
WE are individuals.
And actually, you did compare him with Hitler, contextually at least.
And as for your last statement, please ;D
If you genuinely believe that you wouldn't be so quick to embrace the box ticking woke nonsense that you claim to represent.
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In university debating, the first team to mention Hitler or the Nazi's loses by default. It's a rule I try to stick to when arguing any disputable point :y
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The Borg Collective is diverse.
WE are individuals.
And actually, you did compare him with Hitler, contextually at least.
And as for your last statement, please ;D
If you genuinely believe that you wouldn't be so quick to embrace the box ticking woke nonsense that you claim to represent.
The "Woke nonsense" is just that, other humans attaching labels to certain sectors of society to degrade them and make others feel better. As a consequence we have the LGBTQ+ sectors purely because the so called majority of our society cannot just live and let live, accept we are ALL different, "individuals" as you DG correctly state, but have to isolate them to their groups, which currently they fill for protection from the hate aimed in their direction. Vicious circle really! ::) ::)
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In university debating, the first team to mention Hitler or the Nazi's loses by default. It's a rule I try to stick to when arguing any disputable point :y
It was not at my uni when reading and debating 20th century history, far from it. Especially when the room was blessed by international students and the debates covered their former USSR states, Stalin, Hitler, and how their grandparents / parents now felt about all of it.
Study and debate of the philosophers, like Plato, Hobbes, Machiavelli and Nietzsche, in connection with 20th century history also frequently brought up the subject of Hitler and the Nazis generally.
No one can avoid THAT name in any debate based on that period of history, and before in the period from The Great War and WW2, then beyond that ;)
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Labels highlight differences and single them out. That's why diversity is such a hateful oxymoron because it draws attention to diffences rather than accepting them.
And, in order to save interweb space, the only reason Hitler has been mentioned in a discussion about a suicide bomber in Liverpool is because YOU brought him up. ???
I bet he was Lutheran to boot. :-X
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Labels highlight differences and single them out. That's why diversity is such a hateful oxymoron because it draws attention to diffences rather than accepting them.
And, in order to save interweb space, the only reason Hitler has been mentioned in a discussion about a suicide bomber in Liverpool is because YOU brought him up. ???
I bet he was Lutheran to boot. :-X
Exactly right, and that is what I am saying, so we agree on that!! :D :D :y :y :y
If everyone just forgot the differences of individuals in all ways then the Diversity sector, like the LGBT and BLAM movements, would not have to exist. There would be no need for them if we just accepted everyone is different; some have different coloured skin, other are gay, and so on. Live and let live is what I keep on saying :y :y :y
As for the mention of Hitler; yes I can over do that one, but he is such a key historical figure that effected our lives, and in some ways still does through certain fascist movements that certainly do not accept "Diversity". It is hard not to mention him when discussing the individual within the State and how their rights, freedoms, and very existence can be fatefully affected by such a monster that WE could in the future accept within our society, like the Germans did, if we forget the lessons of that period of history. ;)
As for Hitler's religion, that is a matter of great debate and no one has come to a conclusion on that point. Sometimes he was seen as being Christian, but then changed to be far more an Atheist. He certainly championed science over the Christian faith, believing it would be swept away by that discipline. He changed his mind, as he changed his general views day by day, probably due to the effects of the drugs he was taking. I think though we can correctly state that Hitler was far from being a good Christian, or believing in our God. He more and more believed in the German Heroic God, and became convinced he was being directed by him in his campaign for the Thousand Year Reich. ;)
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No, we don't agree. You say that they should have labels ie 'the diversity sector' (FFS, really >:() because they are different. You may as well call it 'The Mutant Zone'.
I say it's the labels that highlight and isolate everyone. It's you and your ilk, (misguided do gooders fearful of melting snowflakes), that cause these abhorrent, devicive policies to come to fruition.
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No, we don't agree. You say that they should have labels ie 'the diversity sector' (FFS, really >:() because they are different. You may as well call it 'The Mutant Zone'.
I say it's the labels that highlight and isolate everyone. It's you and your ilk, (misguided do gooders fearful of melting snowflakes), that cause these abhorrent, devicive policies to come to fruition.
What!!!
Have you been drinking again?! :o :o :o
Where the hell do I say the Diverse sector should have labels? I have said the opposite, and the Diverse sector is only there because of others failure to accept their "differences" with the main sector of society.
I repeat................"If everyone just forgot the differences of individuals in all ways then the Diversity sector, like the LGBT and BLAM movements, would not have to exist. There would be no need for them if we just accepted everyone is different; some have different coloured skin, others are gay, and so on. Live and let live is what I keep on saying :y :y :y"
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Calling it The Diversity Sector is the epitome of a label.
Using a catch all label to identify a collection of groups of individuals so that they don't feel labelled is a pretty good definition of insanity, and it's a pity that you can't see that for what it is. And constantly labelling people is the polar opposite of live and let live.
And I dread to ask wth 'BLAM' is :-X
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In university debating, the first team to mention Hitler or the Nazi's loses by default. It's a rule I try to stick to when arguing any disputable point :y
It was not at my uni when reading and debating 20th century history, far from it. Especially when the room was blessed by international students and the debates covered their former USSR states, Stalin, Hitler, and how their grandparents / parents now felt about all of it.
Study and debate of the philosophers, like Plato, Hobbes, Machiavelli and Nietzsche, in connection with 20th century history also frequently brought up the subject of Hitler and the Nazis generally.
No one can avoid THAT name in any debate based on that period of history, and before in the period from The Great War and WW2, then beyond that ;)
If you're debating historical figures or events relating to European middle 20th century history, then yes you can bring in anyone from history to illustrate your point. So comparing and contrasting Hitler to Stalin to Ghengis Kahn is tolerated.
But when discussing current people or events introducing 'them' is strictly verboten. In any argument comparing anything to 'them' it is assumed by default that 'they' were worse, and hence it is pointless comparing to them. Its the nuclear option, and hence not permitted. Same as what is colder than absolute zero or what happened before the big bang. Meaningless, and almost always meant as an insult rather than a valid debating point.
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Calling it The Diversity Sector is the epitome of a label.
Using a catch all label to identify a collection of groups of individuals so that they don't feel labelled is a pretty good definition of insanity, and it's a pity that you can't see that for what it is. And constantly labelling people is the polar opposite of live and let live.
And I dread to ask wth 'BLAM' is :-X
Blue Lives Also Matter.......probably.
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Calling it The Diversity Sector is the epitome of a label.
Using a catch all label to identify a collection of groups of individuals so that they don't feel labelled is a pretty good definition of insanity, and it's a pity that you can't see that for what it is. And constantly labelling people is the polar opposite of live and let live.
And I dread to ask wth 'BLAM' is :-X
You know I have mistyped and I meant BAME, but yet again you have to split hairs, faulting my every word and statement. What is up with you? ::) ::) ::)
As others have said, childish nonsense that I should not rise to, and now must stop doing so! :-X :-X :-X :-X
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In university debating, the first team to mention Hitler or the Nazi's loses by default. It's a rule I try to stick to when arguing any disputable point :y
It was not at my uni when reading and debating 20th century history, far from it. Especially when the room was blessed by international students and the debates covered their former USSR states, Stalin, Hitler, and how their grandparents / parents now felt about all of it.
Study and debate of the philosophers, like Plato, Hobbes, Machiavelli and Nietzsche, in connection with 20th century history also frequently brought up the subject of Hitler and the Nazis generally.
No one can avoid THAT name in any debate based on that period of history, and before in the period from The Great War and WW2, then beyond that ;)
If you're debating historical figures or events relating to European middle 20th century history, then yes you can bring in anyone from history to illustrate your point. So comparing and contrasting Hitler to Stalin to Ghengis Kahn is tolerated.
But when discussing current people or events introducing 'them' is strictly verboten. In any argument comparing anything to 'them' it is assumed by default that 'they' were worse, and hence it is pointless comparing to them. Its the nuclear option, and hence not permitted. Same as what is colder than absolute zero or what happened before the big bang. Meaningless, and almost always meant as an insult rather than a valid debating point.
I was not comparing ANY current figure with Hitler, but only illustrating how attacking a minority can end, and considering how extreme the range can be of some human behavior, and the fine balance defining pure evil, mental illness, or just common "getting on" with life is. Hitler was just a single man who ended up causing havoc, with the assistance of others, due to his mind and what went on in it, but still got the masses to follow him.
Where have I stated exactly that anyone in particular is like Hitler? No, I have not and you have made the error of taking on board other peoples comments and not fully reading or comprehending what I actually wrote. I suppose that is the danger of these intense debates on a car forum. ::)
It is clear by the comments by some on the OOF that they would love to "loose" Diversity and the people classed under that banner or label, which in fact I have explained should not be necessary in a fair and tolerant society.
I do not know what uni you went to, but at mine nothing was taboo when considering the philosophy and psychology of individuals in history and how they affected a small number of people, or whole states, that still effects us today. It was always healthy debate with the subject of the philosophers featuring as their writings, coupled with modern thought, help to give an understanding of how humans have acted or reacted in history and how we all could all fair in the future. ;)
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I was not comparing ANY current figure with Hitler, but only illustrating how attacking a minority can end, and considering how extreme the range can be of some human behavior, and the fine balance defining pure evil, mental illness, or just common "getting on" with life is. Hitler was just a single man who ended up causing havoc, with the assistance of others, due to his mind and what went on in it, but still got the masses to follow him.
Where have I stated exactly that anyone in particular is like Hitler? No, I have not and you have made the error of taking on board other peoples comments and not fully reading or comprehending what I actually wrote. I suppose that is the danger of these intense debates on a car forum. ::)
It is clear by the comments by some on the OOF that they would love to "loose" Diversity and the people classed under that banner or label, which in fact I have explained should not be necessary in a fair and tolerant society.
I do not know what uni you went to, but at mine nothing was taboo when considering the philosophy and psychology of individuals in history and how they affected a small number of people, or whole states, that still effects us today. It was always healthy debate with the subject of the philosophers featuring as their writings, coupled with modern thought, help to give an understanding of how humans have acted or reacted in history and how we all could all fair in the future. ;)
I'm not talking about students debating amongst themselves in halls of residence, or in the JCR. I'm talking about proper debates at places like the Oxford or Cambridge unions.
You were the first to use the H word in this thread, and DG reacted to that. I don't agree with DG (or you) on a many of things in this thread, but under the rules of debate you would automatically lose. It's that simple as that at any proper university debating society.
It really doesn't matter why you brought it up - it's just not relevant to actions taken in the last week/month/year. If you can't win a debate without invoking the H word, then I'm afraid debating isn't for you. :-*
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That Godwin fella is worse than Hitler! >:(
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Indeed.
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Calling it The Diversity Sector is the epitome of a label.
Using a catch all label to identify a collection of groups of individuals so that they don't feel labelled is a pretty good definition of insanity, and it's a pity that you can't see that for what it is. And constantly labelling people is the polar opposite of live and let live.
And I dread to ask wth 'BLAM' is :-X
You know I have mistyped and I meant BAME, but yet again you have to split hairs, faulting my every word and statement. What is up with you? ::) ::) ::)
As others have said, childish nonsense that I should not rise to, and now must stop doing so! :-X :-X :-X :-X
I didn't know you had mistyped anything... The letters are nowhere near each other ::)
And again you highlight the nonsense thinking behind such nomenclature... I wonder how Asian feel about being lumped in with Blacks or Afro Caribbeans with East African, and then dumped into the Pit of Divisity.
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Calling it The Diversity Sector is the epitome of a label.
Using a catch all label to identify a collection of groups of individuals so that they don't feel labelled is a pretty good definition of insanity, and it's a pity that you can't see that for what it is. And constantly labelling people is the polar opposite of live and let live.
And I dread to ask wth 'BLAM' is :-X
You know I have mistyped and I meant BAME, but yet again you have to split hairs, faulting my every word and statement. What is up with you? ::) ::) ::)
As others have said, childish nonsense that I should not rise to, and now must stop doing so! :-X :-X :-X :-X
I didn't know you had mistyped anything... The letters are nowhere near each other ::)
And again you highlight the nonsense thinking behind such nomenclature... I wonder how Asian feel about being lumped in with Blacks or Afro Caribbeans with East African, and then dumped into the Pit of Divisity.
What's divinity? Did you mistype? Tee hee ;D
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I meant divisity, I must have mistyped. Easy done, apparently ;D
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Calling it The Diversity Sector is the epitome of a label.
Using a catch all label to identify a collection of groups of individuals so that they don't feel labelled is a pretty good definition of insanity, and it's a pity that you can't see that for what it is. And constantly labelling people is the polar opposite of live and let live.
And I dread to ask wth 'BLAM' is :-X
Blue Lives Also Matter.......probably.
Blue lives matter....x
All lives matter.......x
White lives matter..x
It's OK to be white..x .......considered to be hate speech
Black lives matter.... :y :y :y :y :y
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I was not comparing ANY current figure with Hitler, but only illustrating how attacking a minority can end, and considering how extreme the range can be of some human behavior, and the fine balance defining pure evil, mental illness, or just common "getting on" with life is. Hitler was just a single man who ended up causing havoc, with the assistance of others, due to his mind and what went on in it, but still got the masses to follow him.
Where have I stated exactly that anyone in particular is like Hitler? No, I have not and you have made the error of taking on board other peoples comments and not fully reading or comprehending what I actually wrote. I suppose that is the danger of these intense debates on a car forum. ::)
It is clear by the comments by some on the OOF that they would love to "loose" Diversity and the people classed under that banner or label, which in fact I have explained should not be necessary in a fair and tolerant society.
I do not know what uni you went to, but at mine nothing was taboo when considering the philosophy and psychology of individuals in history and how they affected a small number of people, or whole states, that still effects us today. It was always healthy debate with the subject of the philosophers featuring as their writings, coupled with modern thought, help to give an understanding of how humans have acted or reacted in history and how we all could all fair in the future. ;)
I'm not talking about students debating amongst themselves in halls of residence, or in the JCR. I'm talking about proper debates at places like the Oxford or Cambridge unions.
You were the first to use the H word in this thread, and DG reacted to that. I don't agree with DG (or you) on a many of things in this thread, but under the rules of debate you would automatically lose. It's that simple as that at any proper university debating society.
It really doesn't matter why you brought it up - it's just not relevant to actions taken in the last week/month/year. If you can't win a debate without invoking the H word, then I'm afraid debating isn't for you. :-*
So you have been present at a those debates?
I know you have not because you would know that, especially the Oxford Union Debating Society, is well known for it’s highly controversial debates with speakers from all political and historical back ground, often breaking any so called “rules”.::Indeed only 2 weeks ago did a debate involving historian Andrew Graham-Dixon at the Oxford Union go disastrously wrong when he used language of, and imitated Hitler.
So you think debates at our universities, who are not Cambridge or Oxford, are just “students debating amongst themselves in halls of residence” and are lacking in credibility. How you do not know how modern universities perform, with full debates involving professors on their area of expertise, and sometimes guest speakers from government or other official body that invite active, informed, discussion.
How dare you belittle unis, such as mine, Canterbury Christ Church University, and come out with such tosh to try and raise the worth of your weak argument. For your information I have spent my managerial years in numerous large scale debate, then further at university for 3 years, so I think I am well qualified to say debates are for me even in my now senior years! ::) ::) :D
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What's good for the goose... :-X
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Calling it The Diversity Sector is the epitome of a label.
Using a catch all label to identify a collection of groups of individuals so that they don't feel labelled is a pretty good definition of insanity, and it's a pity that you can't see that for what it is. And constantly labelling people is the polar opposite of live and let live.
And I dread to ask wth 'BLAM' is :-X
You know I have mistyped and I meant BAME, but yet again you have to split hairs, faulting my every word and statement. What is up with you? ::) ::) ::)
As others have said, childish nonsense that I should not rise to, and now must stop doing so! :-X :-X :-X :-X
I didn't know you had mistyped anything... The letters are nowhere near each other ::)
And again you highlight the nonsense thinking behind such nomenclature... I wonder how Asian feel about being lumped in with Blacks or Afro Caribbeans with East African, and then dumped into the Pit of Divisity.
What's divinity? Did you mistype? Tee hee ;D
He actually typed “divisity”, so yes even our DG can get spelling wrong, but does not excuse others who do so! ;D ;D ;D ;)
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It is a so called “law” that restricts the open discussion about fascism, neo Nazis, and the right wing generally, before the truth about this enemy of democracy can be fully debated to it’s conclusion.
And some on here argue so strongly about protecting free speech…….. ;D ;D
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Nope, I typed divisity because that is exactly what it is... Divisive.
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/11/396906/-
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Nope, I typed divisity because that is exactly what it is... Divisive.
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/11/396906/-
Wow, he sounds disturbed ;D
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It is a so called “law” that restricts the open discussion about fascism, neo Nazis, and the right wing generally, before the truth about this enemy of democracy can be fully debated to it’s conclusion.
And some on here argue so strongly about protecting free speech…….. ;D ;D
I know exactly what it is that’s why I posted it👍 There are many interpretations as to what it is too :y
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Nope, I typed divisity because that is exactly what it is... Divisive.
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/11/396906/-
Wow, he sounds disturbed ;D
What? Like Hitler? ;D
As it goes, that was one of the more interesting things that popped up if you type in 'Divisity' and ignore the default 'you meant Diversity didn't you' prompts ;)
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Research is your friend
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So you have been present at a those debates?
Yes.
I know you have not because you would know that, especially the Oxford Union Debating Society, is well known for it’s highly controversial debates with speakers from all political and historical back ground, often breaking any so called “rules”.::Indeed only 2 weeks ago did a debate involving historian Andrew Graham-Dixon at the Oxford Union go disastrously wrong when he used language of, and imitated Hitler.
The debate was at the Cambridge Union, and the motion under discussion was "There is no such thing as good taste’". So nothing directly to do with History. Andrew Graham-Dixon's side lost the vote.
So you think debates at our universities, who are not Cambridge or Oxford, are just “students debating amongst themselves in halls of residence” and are lacking in credibility. How you do not know how modern universities perform, with full debates involving professors on their area of expertise, and sometimes guest speakers from government or other official body that invite active, informed, discussion.
How dare you belittle unis, such as mine, Canterbury Christ Church University, and come out with such tosh to try and raise the worth of your weak argument. For your information I have spent my managerial years in numerous large scale debate, then further at university for 3 years, so I think I am well qualified to say debates are for me even in my now senior years! ::) ::) :D
You are free to believe what you want about things I've neither written nor meant. I am simply telling you the rules (admitedly mostly unwritten) that get used in debates I was and occasionally still am involved in. Again you are free to believe me or not.
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So you have been present at a those debates?
Yes.
I know you have not because you would know that, especially the Oxford Union Debating Society, is well known for it’s highly controversial debates with speakers from all political and historical back ground, often breaking any so called “rules”.::Indeed only 2 weeks ago did a debate involving historian Andrew Graham-Dixon at the Oxford Union go disastrously wrong when he used language of, and imitated Hitler.
The debate was at the Cambridge Union, and the motion under discussion was "There is no such thing as good taste’". So nothing directly to do with History. Andrew Graham-Dixon's side lost the vote.
So you think debates at our universities, who are not Cambridge or Oxford, are just “students debating amongst themselves in halls of residence” and are lacking in credibility. How you do not know how modern universities perform, with full debates involving professors on their area of expertise, and sometimes guest speakers from government or other official body that invite active, informed, discussion.
How dare you belittle unis, such as mine, Canterbury Christ Church University, and come out with such tosh to try and raise the worth of your weak argument. For your information I have spent my managerial years in numerous large scale debate, then further at university for 3 years, so I think I am well qualified to say debates are for me even in my now senior years! ::) ::) :D
You are free to believe what you want about things I've neither written nor meant. I am simply telling you the rules (admitedly mostly unwritten) that get used in debates I was and occasionally still am involved in. Again you are free to believe me or not.
Yes, I believe you and I am sorry I took the tone I did with you. I just wish I could have attended one of those debates. :D ;) ;)
I was just fed up of all the flak that I thought I would be more controversial than normal! Whatever I say, usually always from the heart and what I believe, it will be criticised by a certain element of individuals on here. But, hey ho, I have faced much worse in business in the real World! ;D
Yes I know it was Cambridge, and the historian specialises in art, which may explain why he was so crass and appalling on the day. But the Oxford Pledge in 1933 was so controversial, and I believe is the worst / best one ever! ) ;)
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The best place for debating is the pub. Always has been.
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The best place for debating is the pub. Always has been.
As a women that would be the worst place for me! ;D ;D ;)
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The best place for debating is the pub. Always has been.
As a women that would be the worst place for me! ;D ;D ;)
Why? Plenty of women go to the pub. Your reinforcement of such stereotypical attitudes does nothing positive for gender equality.
If you had said 'as a trans person it has always been difficult for me to go out by myself and drink socially' that might actually make sense, but the whole 'woe is me, a weak and feeble woman' is, at best, cringe worthy.
Everytime I read a comment like that I picture David Walliams, with full beard saying 'I'm a Laydee...' ::)
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The best place for debating is the pub. Always has been.
As a women that would be the worst place for me! ;D ;D ;)
Why? Plenty of women go to the pub. Your reinforcement of such stereotypical attitudes does nothing positive for gender equality.
If you had said 'as a trans person it has always been difficult for me to go out by myself and drink socially' that might actually make sense, but the whole 'woe is me, a weak and feeble woman' is, at best, cringe worthy.
Everytime I read a comment like that I picture David Walliams, with full beard saying 'I'm a Laydee...' ::)
That is extremely insulting to me as a biological women, let alone those who are trans! >:(
You just cannot stop the digs and childish comments. >:( >:(
You know all too well that in a pub with men “debating” or should that be “arguing” with testestorone thick in the are they will not listen to the group of us women sitting around a table just enjoying the social event.
You are so keen to type what you do on a keyboard, I suspect to make yourself feel important away from your tedious and undemanding job at your age going nowhere! You see I can also be really insulting to someone who is as you are on here - unfriendly and simply very nasty!!! ::) ::)
Well now I am finally going to ignore your posts as others have recommended, but I have put off thinking there is always hope. With you there is no hope! :-X :-X :-X
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The best place for debating is the pub. Always has been.
As a women that would be the worst place for me! ;D ;D ;)
Why? Plenty of women go to the pub. Your reinforcement of such stereotypical attitudes does nothing positive for gender equality.
If you had said 'as a trans person it has always been difficult for me to go out by myself and drink socially' that might actually make sense, but the whole 'woe is me, a weak and feeble woman' is, at best, cringe worthy.
Everytime I read a comment like that I picture David Walliams, with full beard saying 'I'm a Laydee...' ::)
Was this from 'Little Britain'?......which was very funny except for those who love to be offended (usually on behalf of somebody else) ::) ::)
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It was an example of a legitimate explanation for not wanting to go to the pub. Being uncomfortable in large crowds would be another.
Your post came across as I can't go to the pub because I am a woman which is nonsense seeing as it's now almost a quarter of the way through the 21st century.
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By the way, can I have my rod back please... You damn near took the transom off the boat with that bite... :D
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But woe betide anyone else who does the same :-X
As an aside, is that 62 years personal experience, or an informed opinion from 38-42 years (depending if you went to University or not) working with those affected?
Personal experience ;)
That is extremely insulting to me as a biological women, let alone those who are trans! >:(
You just cannot stop the digs and childish comments. >:( >:(
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In fairness I was thrown/surprised by your reply on another thread. Dr G asked if your experience was personal, as in happened to you, or from experience gained from working with those affected. You replied personal, to which Stemo replied " Now that's been made clear, lets start talking first person instead of third person. Some good may come of this thread after all". This led me to believe that maybe you had gone through the operation.
So your experience isn't personal, you just know people affected, or have I misunderstood again. :-\
How did we get here from a terror attack, it's very unusual for an OOF thread to stray.
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But woe betide anyone else who does the same :-X
As an aside, is that 62 years personal experience, or an informed opinion from 38-42 years (depending if you went to University or not) working with those affected?
Personal experience ;)
That is extremely insulting to me as a biological women, let alone those who are trans! >:(
You just cannot stop the digs and childish comments. >:( >:(
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In fairness I was thrown/surprised by your reply on another thread. Dr G asked if your experience was personal, as in happened to you, or from experience gained from working with those affected. You replied personal, to which Stemo replied " Now that's been made clear, lets start talking first person instead of third person. Some good may come of this thread after all". This led me to believe that maybe you had gone through the operation.
So your experience isn't personal, you just know people affected, or have I misunderstood again. :-\
How did we get here from a terror attack, it's very unusual for an OOF thread to stray.
Lizzie has a consistency that is all over the place. ;)
Perhaps what she speaks is 'her truth'.....
Meghan Markle is a 'her truth' kind of girl so it is a very popular at the moment.
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But woe betide anyone else who does the same :-X
As an aside, is that 62 years personal experience, or an informed opinion from 38-42 years (depending if you went to University or not) working with those affected?
Personal experience ;)
That is extremely insulting to me as a biological women, let alone those who are trans! >:(
You just cannot stop the digs and childish comments. >:( >:(
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In fairness I was thrown/surprised by your reply on another thread. Dr G asked if your experience was personal, as in happened to you, or from experience gained from working with those affected. You replied personal, to which Stemo replied " Now that's been made clear, lets start talking first person instead of third person. Some good may come of this thread after all". This led me to believe that maybe you had gone through the operation.
So your experience isn't personal, you just know people affected, or have I misunderstood again. :-\
How did we get here from a terror attack, it's very unusual for an OOF thread to stray.
Forty years ago the condition of Gender Dysphoria affected someone very close to me in the family, and so I went on to study this subject, and ended up advising as a volunteer alongside my retail career, on it with others so effected. I do know most of the ins and outs of it all, from back to front, top to bottom, and am now considered a specialist. Now I am retired I have advised on this and other matters on the subject of diversity in society, as well as retail crime with Kent Police. I now am also an advisor on terrorism with Thames Valley Police, which has links with my other work. I am vetted with the police, signed the police confidentiality agreement, and a signature of the Official Secrets Act also dating back to my retail days. Nothing that special, so end of.
So please be satisfied with that as I do not believe, or allowed, to outline all I have done or do, on a public forum. Satisfied? Well tough if not! :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
This all changes nothing with my stance on the mis-informed, childish rubbish that I have seen posted on the Forum, by just a few.
Now, this thread is not about me, but about a serious terrorist incident in Liverpool.
Lets talk about that, which is far more interesting. ;)
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Stop scaremongering.
It wasn't an orchestrated 'terror plot', but rather a convenient excuse to raise the terror level as this allows the use of different civil restrictions to be enforced (as a potential alternative to a TCV lock down).
And you're not the only person in the world to have passed Police or security vetting :-X
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Most of the ins and outs........fnar fnar ;D
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The best place for debating is the pub. Always has been.
As a women that would be the worst place for me! ;D ;D ;)
Why? Plenty of women go to the pub. Your reinforcement of such stereotypical attitudes does nothing positive for gender equality.
If you had said 'as a trans person it has always been difficult for me to go out by myself and drink socially' that might actually make sense, but the whole 'woe is me, a weak and feeble woman' is, at best, cringe worthy.
Everytime I read a comment like that I picture David Walliams, with full beard saying 'I'm a Laydee...' ::)
Was this from 'Little Britain'?......which was very funny except for those who love to be offended (usually on behalf of somebody else) ::) ::)
Yes very funny indeed, but even though it wasn't that long ago I can't imagine they'd get away with sketches like The Only Gay In The Village today? ::)
The world has become a poorer sadder kind of place..... :-\
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Yes as Bernard used to say... it’s only a laugh in it?..