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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Rangie on 12 December 2021, 19:31:15
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8pm tonight hmm I wonder.
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Omicraan.
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Got cancer? Need to see your doctor before next year? Hard cheese, we're too busy.
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Lockdown by January, maybe ?
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The usual "the horse has been out a few weeks ,best close the stable doors " approach ::)
The UK should not have stopped PCR tests for incoming travellers, mandatory mask wearing and social distancing in shops.
I wonder how many people will contract Covid, Flu ,coughs ,and other lurgy whilst waiting in the inevitable massive ques that trying to vaccinate everyone by month end :-\
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Is nobody in government or the media listening to the South Africans? ::) :-\
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Is nobody in government or the media listening to the South Africans? ::) :-\
Apparently not :-X
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Got cancer? Need to see your *doctor before next year? Hard cheese, we're too busy sat on our arses doing far call, and pocketing £100k+ p.a. courtesy of all you taxpayers.
Fixed.
* if Doctor means GP.
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Indeed , you had SFA chance of seeing a Doctor this year by booking an appointment ,
even BEFORE Boris's latest announcement >:(
you might see a few GPs at the 19th hole ::)
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Got cancer? Need to see your doctor before next year? Hard cheese, we're too busy giving booster jabs to healthy 25 year olds who have only recently had their second jab and had Covid anyway.
Fixed again. ::)
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Ime GP,s dont give Covid jabs. They sit at home while other health professionals rent out their surgery to give the jabs.
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Ime GP,s dont give Covid jabs. They sit at home while other health professionals rent out their surgery to give the jabs.
Which is exactly how it should be. It's a semi-skilled job that any reasonable handy person could do with minimal training.
GPs should be doing their normal jobs, which is diagnosing patients and organising the necessary care. Covid is being used an excuse to limit their exposure to the shitty bit of any business: seeing customers face to face.
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Ime GP,s dont give Covid jabs. They sit at home while other health professionals rent out their surgery to give the jabs.
Have to say I had pretty good service from my local surgery last week. :)
I've had a painful foot for about a month. Couldn't get through on the phone, so filled out an online form describing my symptoms and they phoned me at 0830 the next morning asking me in at 1000. Saw the Practice nurse, who examined me and going in tomorrow for blood tests and an X-Ray booked next week. :y
Didn't see a Doc though, but that's OK it's only a minor thing. :)
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The usual "the horse has been out a few weeks ,best close the stable doors " approach ::)
The UK should not have stopped PCR tests for incoming travellers, mandatory mask wearing and social distancing in shops.
Correct!! When I went through Gatwick on an hour and a half stopover on the 1st December, half the people in the airport were not wearing masks!
It is not the GP's fault for idiots not complying with the rules. They have to deal with the crap the antivaccers, non mask wearers etc don't bother their arse with.
I have just done 10 days quarantine up here in Krankie Land AND a PCR test.
GPs should be doing their normal jobs, which is diagnosing patients and organising the necessary care. Covid is being used an excuse to limit their exposure to the shitty bit of any business: seeing customers face to face.
Up here in KL all the volunteers are ex nurses, doctors etc administering the jabs to relieve the professionals to do their proper job.
We cannot go to a GP or hospital and demand a covid jab!! end of.
What is wrong with you lot daan saff?
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Is nobody in government or the media listening to the South Africans? ::) :-\
Are they disbelieving some of it, because SA's agenda is not to kill its tourist industry ;)
Nobody cares about deaths, least of all the government. Everybody in the UK cares just about our "precious NHS"...
With that in mind, if we do hit numbers approaching 100k new detections a day, which it seems the scientists believe is possible this side of xmas, and if 0.5% need medical attention for it, do you think the NHS has the capacity? Whilst it appears to be less serious, when dealing with such high numbers, even small percentages become significant.
I'm with DtB and Drewomega on this one, too many idiots weren't/aren't sensible enough as we approached winter, when we knew the NHS was going to struggle even before Omicron.
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Is nobody in government or the media listening to the South Africans? ::) :-\
Are they disbelieving some of it, because SA's agenda is not to kill its tourist industry ;)
Nobody cares about deaths, least of all the government. Everybody in the UK cares just about our "precious NHS"...
With that in mind, if we do hit numbers approaching 100k new detections a day, which it seems the scientists believe is possible this side of xmas, and if 0.5% need medical attention for it, do you think the NHS has the capacity? Whilst it appears to be less serious, when dealing with such high numbers, even small percentages become significant.
I'm with DtB and Drewomega on this one, too many idiots weren't/aren't sensible enough as we approached winter, when we knew the NHS was going to struggle even before Omicron.
Ooo such cynicism! ;D
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You can't blame the state of the NHS on TCV.
It has long been woefully inadequate. Every year the Flu 'pandemic' is worse than ten years previously.
TCV has proven that it can barely cope with one thing at a time, and even then, the local medical groups actually delivering the service range from really good to 'they shoot horses, don't they...'
This varient hasn't managed to kill anyone in the arse end of Africa and they would only have a tourist industry if people were allowed to visit ::)
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That's to say that TCV is being used as an excuse for all sorts of deficiencies and the NHS wasn't particularly efficient to start with.
Although, in its very limited defence it does have 20,000,000 more people to cater for.
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This varient hasn't managed to kill anyone in the arse end of Africa
It has in the UK ;)
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Although deaths are irrelevant, the public only cares about the NHS.
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"One person has died with the new variant". Not necessarily the same as died from it.
However, imo the latest variant is still an unknown quantity. It looks like it may well be much milder than previous ones, but its too early to tell.
So, taking sensible precautions until the picture becomes clear seems, well, sensible.
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"One person has died with the new variant". Not necessarily the same as died from it.
However, imo the latest variant is still an unknown quantity. It looks like it may well be much milder than previous ones, but its too early to tell.
So, taking sensible precautions until the picture becomes clear seems, well, sensible.
Quite right, on both points.
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This varient hasn't managed to kill anyone in the arse end of Africa
It has in the UK ;)
Someone that happened to have it when they fell over and has made for a convenient reinforcing dose of panic, or actually because of it? :-X
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Boris has to push jab number 3 because jab number 4 is waiting in the wings.....with jab number 5 a couple of months after that.
But Boris is right. It is imperative the NHS spend it's time giving jabs fit and healthy 30 year olds instead of dealing with cancer/stroke/heart attack etc..etc. :-X :-\ :-\ :-\
Apparently a lot of people catch covid while waiting in the queue for their jab. ::)
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Gesundheit.
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This varient hasn't managed to kill anyone in the arse end of Africa
It has in the UK ;)
I'll only show any interest in this if it turns out that the unfortunate person was completely healthy before contracting Covid, was admitted to hospital because of the illness and it subsequently killed them. ::)
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This varient hasn't managed to kill anyone in the arse end of Africa
It has in the UK ;)
I'll only show any interest in this if it turns out that the unfortunate person was completely healthy before contracting Covid, was admitted to hospital because of the illness and it subsequently killed them. ::)
The 'powers that be' are generally shy about revealing the age and general health of the 'victim'
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This varient hasn't managed to kill anyone in the arse end of Africa
It has in the UK ;)
I'll only show any interest in this if it turns out that the unfortunate person was completely healthy before contracting Covid, was admitted to hospital because of the illness and it subsequently killed them. ::)
We will likely never know. Nor will we know if they were elderly or had underlying condition, then caught Chinflu, which finished them off.
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This varient hasn't managed to kill anyone in the arse end of Africa
It has in the UK ;)
I'll only show any interest in this if it turns out that the unfortunate person was completely healthy before contracting Covid, was admitted to hospital because of the illness and it subsequently killed them. ::)
We will likely never know. Nor will we know if they were elderly or had underlying condition, then caught Chinflu, which finished them off.
The china flu might not have even been a factor in their death. They could have tested positive 27 days ago. :-X
It's great propaganda though! :y
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This varient hasn't managed to kill anyone in the arse end of Africa
It has in the UK ;)
I'll only show any interest in this if it turns out that the unfortunate person was completely healthy before contracting Covid, was admitted to hospital because of the illness and it subsequently killed them. ::)
We will likely never know. Nor will we know if they were elderly or had underlying condition, then caught Chinflu, which finished them off.
The china flu might not have even been a factor in their death. They could have tested positive 27 days ago then hit by a bus yesterday :-X
It's convenient propaganda though! :y
Fixed.
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The china flu might not have even been a factor in their death. They could have tested positive 27 days ago. :-X
True. But they is nothing to say either way. And I wouldn't expect any organisation to release private, personal information.
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The china flu might not have even been a factor in their death. They could have tested positive 27 days ago. :-X
True. But they is nothing to say either way. And I wouldn't expect any organisation to release private, personal information.
No, apart from the tabloid newspapers or social media :D :D ;)
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Sajid Javid has apparently announced this afternoon that the Vaccine Passport will only be valid with two jabs and a booster after a reasonable time for folks to get their booster jab. Sounds reasonable enough right?
So how long before the goalposts are moved again and you need a fourth, fifth, sixth jab to keep the vaccine passport valid?
How long before the use of the vaccine passport is expanded to the extent that you cannot lead a normal life unless you comply like they have done in Lithuania?
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And at what point, as an individual, does one* draw the line?
*The Royal one as opposed to the personal one...
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I will repeat AGAIN for the stupid and / or DGAF people ....
Omicron may well be mild BUT WE DON'T KNOW YET ! for sure,
It is highly contagious (R naught of 3.47) compared to the original Wuhan strain .
The fact that Omicron Mutated by combining with Flu to become more infectious shows how easy it could mutate or combine with something very deadly that we don't have the cure for :o
Jabs are not the whole solution yet ,more measures are needed right now ,plan B, plan C ,whatever to keep the Covid in hospitals low enough for the NHS to "scrape by" (but not clear the now 7 million person waiting list )
The more people whinge about wearing a mask, not wanting a jab etc and don't follow the rules or TRY and be safe , the longer the NHS waiting list will grow ,and the more people will die , be that Omicron Covid ,Delta covid, cancer, that bus that seems to kill so many ::) or heart problems or whatever . ::)
hopefully in the future there will be vaccines that do work very well and keep hospitals clear of Covid patients :-\ and the NHS can start to clear the backlog . that will involve new staff ,which can't be trained overnight ,it takes time ,much better planning etc .
As DG's Leeds Covid death field Idea has not happened :P we all have to do what we can to "get by" right now
get jabbed, wear a mask in shops etc , follow the rules (despite Boris and his pals incompetence)
until there is a perminant solution to the situation .
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Omicron may well be mild BUT WE DON'T KNOW YET ! for sure,
Yes we do. The South Africans have been saying it's mild for a month now, but it seems that nobody in the British Government or the corrupt media are listening! ::)
Vaccination rates are about 25% in RSA, whereas it's estimated that over 90% of folk in the UK have antibodies from vaccination or infection. :y
People need to get a flippin grip! ::)
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And getting on with things* is not the same as DGAF. :-X
*Even if that means wearing a mask when required and generally avoiding people ::)
And FYI, viruses have been mutating since Amoebae started growing limbs so that it is more virilant having merged with the common cold, possibly the secondmost virilant thing on earth (after Faceachebook) is not a surprise. :-X
Hopefully it will infect everyone before Friday and we can then get back to getting on with life.
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As neither of you pair agree with the current governments response to Covid ::)
What is your solution ?
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Let it spread freely and move on.
Especially as it's already spread freely.
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Let it spread freely and move on.
Especially as it's already spread freely.
The Government tried herd immunity last year for about 3 days
the maths showed millions would die , and mutations would see survivors die later .
you won't win many votes with that flawed approach
do you have a workable solution :-\ other than the UK's current effort or just like to windge ?
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Failing to completely seal the borders in November 2019 meant it was always guaranteed to spread.
Trying something for three days is hardly trying.
And why politicise it? It serves no purpose and makes people get annoyed with whatever decision is made to the point where they won't bother voting. For anything.
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Thank God the hundreds of thousands of us who take all this seriously are forming very long queues to get jabbed. :y :y
In fact the system is creaking under the pressure of those wanting to do the right thing :D ;)
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I will repeat AGAIN for the stupid and / or DGAF people ....
Omicron may well be mild BUT WE DON'T KNOW YET ! for sure,
It is highly contagious (R naught of 3.47) compared to the original Wuhan strain .
The fact that Omicron Mutated by combining with Flu to become more infectious shows how easy it could mutate or combine with something very deadly that we don't have the cure for :o
Jabs are not the whole solution yet ,more measures are needed right now ,plan B, plan C ,whatever to keep the Covid in hospitals low enough for the NHS to "scrape by" (but not clear the now 7 million person waiting list )
The more people whinge about wearing a mask, not wanting a jab etc and don't follow the rules or TRY and be safe , the longer the NHS waiting list will grow ,and the more people will die , be that Omicron Covid ,Delta covid, cancer, that bus that seems to kill so many ::) or heart problems or whatever . ::)
hopefully in the future there will be vaccines that do work very well and keep hospitals clear of Covid patients :-\ and the NHS can start to clear the backlog . that will involve new staff ,which can't be trained overnight ,it takes time ,much better planning etc .
As DG's Leeds Covid death field Idea has not happened :P we all have to do what we can to "get by" right now
get jabbed, wear a mask in shops etc , follow the rules (despite Boris and his pals incompetence)
until there is a perminant solution to the situation .
There are many reasons why people choose not to be jabbed, Dave :-\ :-\ It has very little to do with being awkward or selfish.
News is also emerging that the vaccine is not as safe as the government would like us to believe.
Have it or don't have it. I've said before I'm quite happy to mix with the unvaccinated. :y
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Thank God the hundreds of thousands of us who take all this seriously are forming very long queues to get jabbed. :y :y
In fact the system is creaking under the pressure of those wanting to do the right thing :D ;)
Think of all the brownie points you have. ::) ::) :)
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Failing to completely seal the borders in November 2019 meant it was always guaranteed to spread.
Trying something for three days is hardly trying.
And why politicise it? It serves no purpose and makes people get annoyed with whatever decision is made to the point where they won't bother voting. For anything.
"hindsight is a wonderful thing"
even with hindsight ,it doesn't solve the problem we all find our selves in now .
had "herd immunity" been the UK's approach last year then we'd still have high death rates with mutations etc .
some Doctors, scientists , etc would have died as part of the massive "herd immunity" first wave.
maybe even those who worked on the current Vaccine ::)
We don't live in South Africa, the UK is very different.
the UK's current approach to Covid is all we have for now, based on advice of doctor's, specialists etc
Whist Boris is clearly not fit to do the job of PM ,I don't see who could wave a magic wand and resolve the situation .
I'd rather pay £22 a month for internet than get it "free" with the alternate Government :P
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I will repeat AGAIN for the stupid and / or DGAF people ....
Omicron may well be mild BUT WE DON'T KNOW YET ! for sure,
It is highly contagious (R naught of 3.47) compared to the original Wuhan strain .
The fact that Omicron Mutated by combining with Flu to become more infectious shows how easy it could mutate or combine with something very deadly that we don't have the cure for :o
Jabs are not the whole solution yet ,more measures are needed right now ,plan B, plan C ,whatever to keep the Covid in hospitals low enough for the NHS to "scrape by" (but not clear the now 7 million person waiting list )
The more people whinge about wearing a mask, not wanting a jab etc and don't follow the rules or TRY and be safe , the longer the NHS waiting list will grow ,and the more people will die , be that Omicron Covid ,Delta covid, cancer, that bus that seems to kill so many ::) or heart problems or whatever . ::)
hopefully in the future there will be vaccines that do work very well and keep hospitals clear of Covid patients :-\ and the NHS can start to clear the backlog . that will involve new staff ,which can't be trained overnight ,it takes time ,much better planning etc .
As DG's Leeds Covid death field Idea has not happened :P we all have to do what we can to "get by" right now
get jabbed, wear a mask in shops etc , follow the rules (despite Boris and his pals incompetence)
until there is a perminant solution to the situation .
There are many reasons why people choose not to be jabbed, Dave :-\ :-\ It has very little to do with being awkward or selfish.
News is also emerging that the vaccine is not as safe as the government would like us to believe.
Have it or don't have it. I've said before I'm quite happy to mix with the unvaccinated. :y
I have repeatedly said that the current Vaccines alone are not enough ::)
people who "can't" have the vaccine are probably staying well away from the "can't be arsed" or "awkward" or "selfish" or rebellious.
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You presume that all the people protesting are unvaccinated :-X
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You presume that all the people protesting are unvaccinated :-X
you presume that I presume that all the people protesting are unvaccinated :-X ::)
At the end of the day ,people vaccinated or not who slag off the vaccine program, or wearing masks or any other current anti spread measures ,are just encouraging people NOT to follow the measures ::) but don't seem to have the answer to Covid .
if they did ,and it was workable ,the world would be all ears :P
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I am both vaccinated and mask wearing. That doesn't stop me from believing that people have the right to make their own decisions...
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There's a few mutations on this forum ;D
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Or is that mutants? :-\
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Or is that mutants? :-\
Ask TRE...
Variety is the spice of life and all that ;)
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I am both vaccinated and mask wearing. That doesn't stop me from believing that people have the right to make their own decisions...
Even if those decisions mean that they are spreading a killer Virus and killing people ::)
The Chinese made a "decision" to keep schtum about Covid ,until they got found out ,look how that panned out ::)
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We don't live in South Africa, the UK is very different.
Yes you are right there Dave. :y
Life expectancy in South Africa is much lower than the UK generally, and a significant proportion of the population live in shanty towns in and around the big cities, Cape Town, JoBurg, Pretoria, Durban etc. They live cheek by jowl in poor quality housing often without running water or proper sanitation. They eat cheap shitty processed foods. They are more than likely to smoke and drink poor quality alcohol in the shabeens. All this contributes to generally poor health and other diseases like TB are not uncommon. South Africa has a veneer of a developed first world country, but scratch the surface.....
So believe me, with their low vaccination rates, if Omicon was the killer super mutant virus that the British government and corrupt media would have us believe, we'd certainly know for sure as people would be dropping like flies in South Africa and then maybe I'd sit up take notice of the so called Omicon Emergency.
They're not though.
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We don't live in South Africa, the UK is very different.
Yes you are right there Dave. :y
Life expectancy in South Africa is much lower than the UK generally, and a significant proportion of the population live in shanty towns in and around the big cities, Cape Town, JoBurg, Pretoria, Durban etc. They live cheek by jowl in poor quality housing often without running water or proper sanitation. They eat cheap shitty processed foods. They are more than likely to smoke and drink poor quality alcohol in the shabeens. All this contributes to generally poor health and other diseases like TB are not uncommon. South Africa has a veneer of a developed first world country, but scratch the surface.....
So believe me, with their low vaccination rates, if Omicon was the killer super mutant virus that the British government and corrupt media would have us believe, we'd certainly know for sure as people would be dropping like flies in South Africa and then maybe I'd sit up take notice of the so called Omicon Emergency.
They're not though.
As you are so well versed in Virus information with all your years of research into sars cov 2 , are you saying that Omicron definitely won't mutate to a more lethal Variant :-\
so we have nothing to worry about then ? no need to exercise any caution ?
perhaps you should pass your findings on to the UK Government :y
Maybe Boris will invite you to a few parties ;D
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A sprained ankle could mutate into a nasty dose of fatal bus accident ::)
Grapes mutate into raisins or wine... Whether that's good or bad is a matter of perspective.
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A sprained ankle could mutate into a nasty dose of fatal bus accident ::)
Grapes mutate into raisins or wine... Whether that's good or bad is a matter of perspective.
In Liverpool, a sprained ankle mutates into a nasty fall over a raised paving stone. ;D
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A sprained ankle could mutate into a nasty dose of fatal bus accident ::)
Grapes mutate into raisins or wine... Whether that's good or bad is a matter of perspective.
In Liverpool, a sprained ankle mutates into a nasty fall over a raised paving stone. ;D
where there's blame .....
"had a trip or fall " ?
don't be such a clumsy **** :D
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We don't live in South Africa, the UK is very different.
Yes you are right there Dave. :y
Life expectancy in South Africa is much lower than the UK generally, and a significant proportion of the population live in shanty towns in and around the big cities, Cape Town, JoBurg, Pretoria, Durban etc. They live cheek by jowl in poor quality housing often without running water or proper sanitation. They eat cheap shitty processed foods. They are more than likely to smoke and drink poor quality alcohol in the shabeens. All this contributes to generally poor health and other diseases like TB are not uncommon. South Africa has a veneer of a developed first world country, but scratch the surface.....
So believe me, with their low vaccination rates, if Omicon was the killer super mutant virus that the British government and corrupt media would have us believe, we'd certainly know for sure as people would be dropping like flies in South Africa and then maybe I'd sit up take notice of the so called Omicon Emergency.
They're not though.
As you are so well versed in Virus information with all your years of research into sars cov 2 , are you saying that Omicron definitely won't mutate to a more lethal Variant :-\
so we have nothing to worry about then ? no need to exercise any caution ?
perhaps you should pass your findings on to the UK Government :y
Maybe Boris will invite you to a few parties ;D
No of course not. Where did I even imply that? :-\
It's just that from what I've seen and read so far I don't think Omicon warrants the hysteria that is being stoked up.
Oh and I'm vehemently against the introduction of vaccine passports....
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We don't live in South Africa, the UK is very different.
Yes you are right there Dave. :y
Life expectancy in South Africa is much lower than the UK generally, and a significant proportion of the population live in shanty towns in and around the big cities, Cape Town, JoBurg, Pretoria, Durban etc. They live cheek by jowl in poor quality housing often without running water or proper sanitation. They eat cheap shitty processed foods. They are more than likely to smoke and drink poor quality alcohol in the shabeens. All this contributes to generally poor health and other diseases like TB are not uncommon. South Africa has a veneer of a developed first world country, but scratch the surface.....
So believe me, with their low vaccination rates, if Omicon was the killer super mutant virus that the British government and corrupt media would have us believe, we'd certainly know for sure as people would be dropping like flies in South Africa and then maybe I'd sit up take notice of the so called Omicon Emergency.
They're not though.
As you are so well versed in Virus information with all your years of research into sars cov 2 , are you saying that Omicron definitely won't mutate to a more lethal Variant :-\
so we have nothing to worry about then ? no need to exercise any caution ?
perhaps you should pass your findings on to the UK Government :y
Maybe Boris will invite you to a few parties ;D
No of course not. Where did I even imply that? :-\
It's just that from what I've seen and read so far I don't think Omicon warrants the hysteria that is being stoked up.
Oh and I'm vehemently against the introduction of vaccine passports....
So you aren't a virologist with years of research and knowledge into Sars Cov 2 with all the answers :-\
then maybe the Governments cautious approach is not as crazy as you think after all :-\
Look how far Covid has progressed in 2 years , even the real experts know relatively very little yet .
As for what you have "seen and read so far" ,how much reading and seeing have you done ?
I assume you have not had a relative or friend die of Covid yet ? or can't get hospital treatment because Covid levels are so high and hospitals full to bursting :-\
"Hysteria" or just the news reporting what is going on :-\
if Covid can join with Flu to be much better at spreading then what's to say it won't mutate again with something like cancer ,making it more deadly and potentially making cancer transmissible :-\
such ideas seem madness ,but 2 years ago who'd of thunk the world would be on it's arse with a pandemic :-\
Covid passport a violation of your civil liberties perhaps ?
So if an anti-vaxxer, who couldn't be arsed to get a covid test before going to a concert or after it, then gives you Covid at the supermarket ,possibly making you seriously ill ,struggling to breathe ,organs turning to mush (or dead) .how violated would you feel then ?
Is it really fair to expect the caring people of the NHS to try and cope with another big wave for crap pay, simply because a few people CBA to follow a few simple rules like wearing a mask ,take a test or whinge about civil liberties ::)
doing a LFT takes about a minute ,then wait 15 mins for a result while doing something else ,register the results in a few clicks of the mouse .simple
We may not like all these measures BUT there are no quick fixes ,until we know all the answers and have a solution, we have to be cautious ;)
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if Covid can join with Flu to be much better at spreading then what's to say it won't mutate again with something like cancer ,making it more deadly and potentially making cancer transmissible :-\
Sigh.... What's to say that the next mutation makes it no more than a runny nose?
Covid passport a violation of your civil liberties perhaps ?
I believe that they will expand the parameters of the vaccine passport so that it will be impossible to lead any sort of normal life if you don't comply. So yes a violation of my civil liberties. Vaccination should be entirely voluntary and people should be encouraged and educated, not coerced or forced into a medical procedure that they don't agree with. Vaccine passports have done nothing to stop or reduce the spread of Covid anywhere where they have been used.
So if an anti-vaxxer, who couldn't be arsed to get a covid test before going to a concert or after it, then gives you Covid at the supermarket ,possibly making you seriously ill ,struggling to breathe ,organs turning to mush (or dead) .how violated would you feel then ?
As we all know unlike traditional vaccines like those for measles etc the new Covid vaccines do not stop you catching, carrying or transmitting Covid so I'm just as likely to catch Covid from someone who is vaccinated as unvaccinated, maybe more so as the vaccinated are probably more likely to be asymptomatic.
Is it really fair to expect the caring people of the NHS to try and cope with another big wave for crap pay, simply because a few people CBA to follow a few simple rules like wearing a mask ,take a test or whinge about civil liberties ::)
Um yes, sounds harsh I know, but that's their job. Is it fair to ask a young lad in the army on crap pay and conditions to go into battle and put his life on the line? Well yes, that's his job and it's what he signed up to. What's the difference with the NHS? I think that the people you describe are such a minority that they make little difference in the grand scheme of things anyway, especially as the vaccines don't work as advertised! I also worry about some kind of two tier society emerging where the unvaccinated are treated like untermench!
We may not like all these measures BUT there are no quick fixes ,until we know all the answers and have a solution, we have to be cautious ;)
I feel kinda sad for you to be honest Dave as you seem so shit scared of this thing, that you constantly seem determined to see the worst case scenario every time. I've got my doubts whether you will ever be free of it to be honest, but you've survived so far, so whatever you are doing seems to work. Good for you! :y
As for me, I'm double jabbed, I wear a mask where it's required and generally keep my distance from people. I've no reason to disbelieve what the South Africans are saying and see it as good news that people are presenting with a mild illness. Hopefully it's the beginning of the end. :y
I'm utterly appalled at the scaremongering that the government and the corrupt media are perpetuating with the their super mutant omicon emergency bullshit narrative! >:(
I'm also aware that that last sentence might not age well..... :P
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Eloquently put ;)
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I am both vaccinated and mask wearing. That doesn't stop me from believing that people have the right to make their own decisions...
My decision is that I want to cull the majority of the population. With a rifle, just to be sure. Do I have that right to make those decisions when my own beliefs and desires impact so many others?
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Its with us in one form or another, until we can (IF!) possible almost eradicate it like, say, smallpox. Big If.
So we need to find a way to get by, and reduce our long term effects of this being in circulation. For that, I don't mind a short term invasion into some of my liberties and freedom.
And if the best way to deal with this currently is little pricks (and I have a real bad phobia of knives and needles), so be it.
I had absolutely zero time for this current government. Covid was the best thing to happen to Boris and chums, as it has detracted from the absolute mess he made of Brexit. Incompetence doesn't even begin to characterise them. I do, however, have plenty of time for the scientists that are beside him, themselves clearly frustrated at Boris and chums.
As for me, I'm double jabbed, I wear a mask where it's required and generally keep my distance from people.
I will wear one whenever I'm around people not in my household, if I'm going to be in close range of them. Partly because I don't particularly want it*, and partly out of coutesy to others who also probably don't want it. If that means I wear one when walking down the High Street on a Saturday, so be it. Hardly an invasion of my freedom.
After the SARS1 outbreak 20 years ago, you will notice many Chinese tourists are used to wearing them all the time, even a couple of years ago. The Chinese learnt from that.
*I'm not particularly concerned if I catch it, as I like to think I have a decent chance of it being a mild illness, no worse than the deadly manflu. I am concerned who I may pass it to, who may not cope so well.
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This. ^ :y
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.... What's to say that the next mutation makes it no more than a runny nose?
BUT ...we don't know what the next mutations will bring do we ::) we've been caught out before .
hence the need to be cautious .
I believe that they will expand the parameters of the vaccine passport so that it will be impossible to lead any sort of normal life if you don't comply. So yes a violation of my civil liberties. Vaccination should be entirely voluntary and people should be encouraged and educated, not coerced or forced into a medical procedure that they don't agree with. Vaccine passports have done nothing to stop or reduce the spread of Covid anywhere where they have been used.
Vaccine passports show the holder has either gone to the trouble of getting vaccinated ,so someone who is actively TRYING to follow the rules/stay safe OR done a covid test, proving they are not infected ,which , if nothing else ,means someone testing positive won't be getting in the venue and can instead isolate .
As we all know unlike traditional vaccines like those for measles etc the new Covid vaccines do not stop you catching, carrying or transmitting Covid so I'm just as likely to catch Covid from someone who is vaccinated as unvaccinated, maybe more so as the vaccinated are probably more likely to be asymptomatic.
Some good points there :)
I've said all along that Vaccines are not a complete solution yet ,far from it ,vaccines are just 1 tool :y
mask wearing, social distancing etc should never have been dropped ,PCR tests should have remained manditory to anyone traveling to the UK .
Is it really fair to expect the caring people of the NHS to try and cope with another big wave for crap pay, simply because a few people CBA to follow a few simple rules like wearing a mask ,take a test or whinge about civil liberties ::)
Um yes, sounds harsh I know, but that's their job. Is it fair to ask a young lad in the army on crap pay and conditions to go into battle and put his life on the line? Well yes, that's his job and it's what he signed up to. What's the difference with the NHS? I think that the people you describe are such a minority that they make little difference in the grand scheme of things anyway, especially as the vaccines don't work as advertised! I also worry about some kind of two tier society emerging where the unvaccinated are treated like untermench!
Again some good points :)
I did say caring people of the NHS ,to clarify ... as with all big organisations ,some staff clock in, do as little as they can, clock out and collect their pay, probably phone in sick when the **** really hits the fan >:( other people do care ,will go way beyond what is required to help people ,stay late etc etc .
The NHS is broken ,has been for a long time ,no quick fixes there ,but it's what we have ATM and is unlikely to change any time soon ,despite throwing ££££££ at it >:(
People join the army knowing they could go to war and possibly even die , nurses didn't join the NHS with that possibility in mind :-\
We may not like all these measures BUT there are no quick fixes ,until we know all the answers and have a solution, we have to be cautious ;)
I feel kinda sad for you to be honest Dave as you seem so shit scared of this thing, that you constantly seem determined to see the worst case scenario every time. I've got my doubts whether you will ever be free of it to be honest, but you've survived so far, so whatever you are doing seems to work. Good for you! :y
I've been wearing a mask in shops since before the first lockdown and taken other measures to reduce not only the risk to me but mainly others ,don't feel sad for me :y
As for me, I'm double jabbed, I wear a mask where it's required and generally keep my distance from people. I've no reason to disbelieve what the South Africans are saying and see it as good news that people are presenting with a mild illness. Hopefully it's the beginning of the end. :y
excellent :) I hope you're right
I'm utterly appalled at the scaremongering that the government and the corrupt media are perpetuating with the their super mutant omicon emergency bullshit narrative! >:(
I'm also aware that that last sentence might not age well..... :P
"Scaremongering" if that's what you see it as is probably necessary because a good portion of the population are stupid :( don't think about their actions or the long term effects .
in an ideal world ,people would have stayed safe ,followed rules ,not spread the Virus
You do make some excellent points Sir Tigger :)
unlike some of the constant naysay selfish un-researched drivel in some posts on this forum :D
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Read this if you have 17 minutes to spare.
Conspiracy theory or worthy of consideration?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TFKkbj01NQ&t=4s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TFKkbj01NQ&t=4s)
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Its with us in one form or another, until we can (IF!) possible almost eradicate it like, say, smallpox. Big If.
So we need to find a way to get by, and reduce our long term effects of this being in circulation. For that, I don't mind a short term invasion into some of my liberties and freedom.
And if the best way to deal with this currently is little pricks (and I have a real bad phobia of knives and needles), so be it.
I had absolutely zero time for this current government. Covid was the best thing to happen to Boris and chums, as it has detracted from the absolute mess he made of Brexit. Incompetence doesn't even begin to characterise them. I do, however, have plenty of time for the scientists that are beside him, themselves clearly frustrated at Boris and chums.
As for me, I'm double jabbed, I wear a mask where it's required and generally keep my distance from people.
I will wear one whenever I'm around people not in my household, if I'm going to be in close range of them. Partly because I don't particularly want it*, and partly out of coutesy to others who also probably don't want it. If that means I wear one when walking down the High Street on a Saturday, so be it. Hardly an invasion of my freedom.
After the SARS1 outbreak 20 years ago, you will notice many Chinese tourists are used to wearing them all the time, even a couple of years ago. The Chinese learnt from that.
*I'm not particularly concerned if I catch it, as I like to think I have a decent chance of it being a mild illness, no worse than the deadly manflu. I am concerned who I may pass it to, who may not cope so well.
Covid...1% fatal (for old people)
Black death plague 50-75% fatal
Man flu.....100% fatal.
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I am both vaccinated and mask wearing. That doesn't stop me from believing that people have the right to make their own decisions...
My decision is that I want to cull the majority of the population. With a rifle, just to be sure. Do I have that right to make those decisions when my own beliefs and desires impact so many others?
You want to... You could... But you may not. ;)
Put another way, ideas and speech are free. Actions have consequences.
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Its with us in one form or another, until we can (IF!) possible almost eradicate it like, say, smallpox. Big If.
So we need to find a way to get by, and reduce our long term effects of this being in circulation. For that, I don't mind a short term invasion into some of my liberties and freedom.
The trouble is short term is fast becoming permanent.
Then where will you be?
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Its with us in one form or another, until we can (IF!) possible almost eradicate it like, say, smallpox. Big If.
So we need to find a way to get by, and reduce our long term effects of this being in circulation. For that, I don't mind a short term invasion into some of my liberties and freedom.
The trouble is short term is fast becoming permanent.
Then where will you be?
......and even expanded. :-X
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Actions have consequences.
As do inactions.
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A very long thread that is going absolutely nowhere, you will always have believers & non believers in almost every threat to mankind be it war plague etc etc, unfortunately it appears that more & more of the human race is lacking commonsense either you protect yourselves & others or you simply don't give a f**k which seems to be the attitude of some.
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Five pages? That's nothing...
https://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=36312.1500 ;D