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Title: Israel
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 07 October 2023, 13:45:16
Well the shit has hit the fan, and the inevitable Israeli response will be devastating.

Is it one of the consequences of a weak, corrupt American president possibly installed on the back of a rigged election which has emboldened the forces of evil around the world?  ???
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 07 October 2023, 14:18:56
I try to keep away from the Israel / Palestine dispute.

It never ends well.

Title: Re: Israel
Post by: STEMO on 07 October 2023, 14:36:59
Well the shit has hit the fan, and the inevitable Israeli response will be devastating.

Is it one of the consequences of a weak, corrupt American president possibly installed on the back of a rigged election which has emboldened the forces of evil around the world?  ???
If you say so 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 07 October 2023, 17:47:21
Well the shit has hit the fan, and the inevitable Israeli response will be devastating.

Is it one of the consequences of a weak, corrupt American president possibly installed on the back of a rigged election which has emboldened the forces of evil around the world?  ???
If you say so 😂😂😂
He has a point, none of this shit happened on Trumpy's watch...
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 07 October 2023, 18:05:39
Well the shit has hit the fan, and the inevitable Israeli response will be devastating.

Is it one of the consequences of a weak, corrupt American president possibly installed on the back of a rigged election which has emboldened the forces of evil around the world?  ???
If you say so 😂😂😂

I didn't say anything. I was just posing a question.  ::)

The world has gone to shit since Biden became President of the USA.  :(

Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Raeturbo on 07 October 2023, 18:51:39
Of course…. Who the hell is going to take anything he says seriously? Ffs.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: STEMO on 07 October 2023, 19:23:41
Well the shit has hit the fan, and the inevitable Israeli response will be devastating.

Is it one of the consequences of a weak, corrupt American president possibly installed on the back of a rigged election which has emboldened the forces of evil around the world?  ???
If you say so 😂😂😂

I didn't say anything. I was just posing a question.  ::)

The world has gone to shit since Biden became President of the USA.  :(
Yes, it's all his fault  ;D
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 07 October 2023, 20:54:42
Well the shit has hit the fan, and the inevitable Israeli response will be devastating.

Is it one of the consequences of a weak, corrupt American president possibly installed on the back of a rigged election which has emboldened the forces of evil around the world?  ???
If you say so 😂😂😂

I didn't say anything. I was just posing a question.  ::)

The world has gone to shit since Biden became President of the USA.  :(
Yes, it's all his fault  ;D

Yes it probably is.  ::)
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Raeturbo on 07 October 2023, 22:59:48
Poor guy really should be retired I think
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 07 October 2023, 23:29:59
Unbelievable !
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/hard-left-labour-mp-poses-with-palestinian-activists-as-terrorists-unleash-hell-in-israel/ar-AA1hQLow?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d9dfc173bbd84ec58da8a86457202f13&ei=40
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 08 October 2023, 08:46:41
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/tv/times-radio-presenter-condemned-for-saying-hamas-showed-bravery/ar-AA1hQRvQ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=57ff0bfc8e384384a9b286fee30b9721&ei=12
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Varche on 08 October 2023, 20:12:00
Frightening isn”t it that folk of different religions just cannot live together.

Another bit of well meaning British deliniation of lands. The Israelis claim Gaza strip is theirs from 2400 years ago.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: STEMO on 08 October 2023, 20:21:21
Frightening isn”t it that folk of different religions just cannot live together.

Another bit of well meaning British deliniation of lands. The Israelis claim Gaza strip is theirs from 2400 years ago.
Especially frightening or, perhaps, pathetic, when most people know what a crock of shite any religion is.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Raeturbo on 08 October 2023, 20:41:07
I agree there would be much less conflict if religion never existed.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 08 October 2023, 22:17:39
I agree there would be much less conflict if religion never existed.

There would be much less conflict if one religion in particular didn't exist.  :-X
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Raeturbo on 08 October 2023, 22:23:14
I’ll go with that👍
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: BazaJT on 09 October 2023, 10:08:52
Sadly I think if religion didn't exist mankind would find another reason to kill each other.Someone[I don't know who] once said "Whilever there are two people alive on Earth there will be a war".
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 09 October 2023, 11:21:56
I agree. Mankind is a tribal species, who will separate into tribes to fight and even kill one another over something as trivial as a football match.

Meanwhile, it is being noticed in quite a few media outlets that the BBC is still refusing to refer to Hamas as a terrorist organisation, just like it refused to call the IRA terrorists.
It really is a disgraceful excuse for a serious broadcaster.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: TheBoy on 10 October 2023, 08:52:53
I agree there would be much less conflict if religion never existed.
Its often done in the name of religion, and always has been, but as it's generally all about power, something else would be used as the excuse if religion didn't exist.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: TheBoy on 10 October 2023, 08:56:03
Meanwhile, it is being noticed in quite a few media outlets that the BBC is still refusing to refer to Hamas as a terrorist organisation, just like it refused to call the IRA terrorists.
It really is a disgraceful excuse for a serious broadcaster.
I suspect that's 'dangle berries'.  Especially seeing as every BBC bulletin I've heard has frequently stressed that most of the Western World categorises Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

As much as I dislike the tax grabbing, leftie BBC, I do have to stick up for them in this case.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 10 October 2023, 12:21:37
I don't pay for the BBC.

It's easy enough to  fill out the online form.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 10 October 2023, 19:11:13
Meanwhile, it is being noticed in quite a few media outlets that the BBC is still refusing to refer to Hamas as a terrorist organisation, just like it refused to call the IRA terrorists.
It really is a disgraceful excuse for a serious broadcaster.
I suspect that's 'dangle berries'.  Especially seeing as every BBC bulletin I've heard has frequently stressed that most of the Western World categorises Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

As much as I dislike the tax grabbing, leftie BBC, I do have to stick up for them in this case.

They may well say that others categorise Hamas as terrorists, but they themselves dont refer to Hamas as a terrorist organisation, despite what they have done in the last few days.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 10 October 2023, 19:24:46
Whilst an eye for an eye isn't exactly a solution, I do wonder if Gaza as we know it will be around by Christmas  :-\
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: grifter on 12 October 2023, 21:49:21
I agree there would be much less conflict if religion never existed.

Then there'd be aethesim, lgbtq, just stop oil, BLM and that would be that!
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: grifter on 12 October 2023, 21:50:36
I agree there would be much less conflict if religion never existed.

Then there'd be aetheism, lgbtq, just stop oil, BLM and that would be that!
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Varche on 13 October 2023, 08:06:40
France has banned pro Palestine ( not Hamas) demonstrations. Half a million Jews in France and five million muslims. Guards on Jewish schools because of threats and graffiti. Germany looks like it is following suit. What a mad world we live in……

Meanwhile Israel has told a million Israelis to get out of North Gaza……….
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Rangie on 13 October 2023, 15:21:15
I agree there would be much less conflict if religion never existed.
Its often done in the name of religion, and always has been, but as it's generally all about power, something else would be used as the excuse if religion didn't exist.
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Have to agree with you entirely, not one bit religious myself & never
will be have seen up close what it causes, power & greed.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Varche on 13 October 2023, 19:07:44
Yes but MigV6 is correct. Humans are tribal. When China rules the world  we have seen already how they deal with non conformers. Eg the Uighers
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: STEMO on 13 October 2023, 19:21:36
Yes but MigV6 is correct. Humans are tribal. When China rules the world  we have seen already how they deal with non conformers. Eg the Uighers
China won't ever rule the world, no one country will.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Varche on 13 October 2023, 19:50:51
Nice sentiment but when everyone is chipped from birth and gets their sustenance from a state controlled vending machine ( based on credits) it will be difficult not to toe the line.

China and North Korea have the model. USA and Europe models are dead ducks on a dying planet.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Raeturbo on 13 October 2023, 20:05:35
Nice sentiment but when everyone is chipped from birth and gets their sustenance from a state controlled vending machine ( based on credits) it will be difficult not to toe the line.

China and North Korea have the model. USA and Europe models are dead ducks on a dying planet.
                Err no,  (for now).
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: STEMO on 13 October 2023, 20:09:29
Nice sentiment but when everyone is chipped from birth and gets their sustenance from a state controlled vending machine ( based on credits) it will be difficult not to toe the line.

China and North Korea have the model. USA and Europe models are dead ducks on a dying planet.
                Err no,  (for now).
Bollòcks, actually, Rae.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Rangie on 13 October 2023, 20:19:08
We're all doomed 😢
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Raeturbo on 13 October 2023, 20:22:00
Nice sentiment but when everyone is chipped from birth and gets their sustenance from a state controlled vending machine ( based on credits) it will be difficult not to toe the line.

China and North Korea have the model. USA and Europe models are dead ducks on a dying planet.
                Err no,  (for now).


Bollòcks, actually, Rae.
                Indeed Steve,  but I’m rather reserved in my comments as you know😇😇
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Varche on 13 October 2023, 21:09:57
 ;D ;D .

Probably a good think that our generation will never know but you are still wrong.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: STEMO on 13 October 2023, 21:30:02
;D ;D .

Probably a good think that our generation will never know but you are still wrong.
You've got religion off to a tee there. A load of 'dangle berries' that can never be proved or disproved because we'll be dead. Like I said, load of shite.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Raeturbo on 13 October 2023, 23:53:17
And not necessary! Live your life to help yourself first then taper down to help everyone you possibly can, if everyone done that there would be heaven on earth. It’s just too simple to possibly work 🙁
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Rangie on 14 October 2023, 08:01:35
Most " normal" folk know the difference between good & bad it's as simple as that, but hey that's far too easy for the human race.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: TheBoy on 14 October 2023, 13:31:28
Meanwhile, it is being noticed in quite a few media outlets that the BBC is still refusing to refer to Hamas as a terrorist organisation, just like it refused to call the IRA terrorists.
It really is a disgraceful excuse for a serious broadcaster.
I suspect that's 'dangle berries'.  Especially seeing as every BBC bulletin I've heard has frequently stressed that most of the Western World categorises Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

As much as I dislike the tax grabbing, leftie BBC, I do have to stick up for them in this case.

They may well say that others categorise Hamas as terrorists, but they themselves dont refer to Hamas as a terrorist organisation, despite what they have done in the last few days.
You can't have it both ways.  You say you want it unbiased, but then want it biased when it suits you ;)

And why the hell am I sticking up for the BBC ;D
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 14 October 2023, 14:49:18
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67102956

Only the BBC would consider it appropriate to send a pair of presumably Muslim reporters into Israel this week and then write an article complaining about them being victims.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: redelitev6 on 14 October 2023, 17:53:21
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67102956

Only the BBC would consider it appropriate to send a pair of presumably Muslim reporters into Israel this week and then write an article complaining about them being victims.
BBC wokeness at it's finest ?
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 14 October 2023, 19:08:23
Meanwhile, it is being noticed in quite a few media outlets that the BBC is still refusing to refer to Hamas as a terrorist organisation, just like it refused to call the IRA terrorists.
It really is a disgraceful excuse for a serious broadcaster.
I suspect that's 'dangle berries'.  Especially seeing as every BBC bulletin I've heard has frequently stressed that most of the Western World categorises Hamas as a terrorist organisation.

As much as I dislike the tax grabbing, leftie BBC, I do have to stick up for them in this case.

They may well say that others categorise Hamas as terrorists, but they themselves dont refer to Hamas as a terrorist organisation, despite what they have done in the last few days.
You can't have it both ways.  You say you want it unbiased, but then want it biased when it suits you ;)

And why the hell am I sticking up for the BBC ;D

But they arent unbiased. They have a natural left wing bias, which means they must support Palestinians over Israel. They cant have Israel being the victims no mater what.
I sat in the car for a couple of hours today and decided to give Radio 4 a listen for a laugh. The whole programme was about the current situation, and was given from the Palestinian perspective from start to finish. No attempt at balance whatsoever.
Bottom line is, this whole thing is about Extremist, fundamentalist Islam V the civilised world
The liberal left will wake up to that when its far too late, and they have become the targets.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Raeturbo on 14 October 2023, 21:44:44
Just thinking for all these warmongers/unhappy terrorists ect, why don’t  they saturate bomb them with happy drugs? Cannabis infused perhaps? It would save many lives and be be far cheaper.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 15 October 2023, 00:04:04
Just thinking for all these warmongers/unhappy terrorists ect, why don’t  they saturate bomb them with happy drugs? Cannabis infused perhaps? It would save many lives and be be far cheaper.

I believe that using biological and chemical weapons in warfare is against the Geneva Convention Rae.  ;)
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Raeturbo on 15 October 2023, 01:53:49
Yes I see your point… far more dangerous than cluster munitions 👍
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 October 2023, 11:49:49
In their limited defense, the Israelis are trying to warn people ahead of time... flashbombs on the roof of the building they're about to flatten or in ten minutes don't be in the cafe on the corner of Madeleine street or on the A1 between junction 7 and 9...

Unfortunately, Hamas always play dirty and insist that it's all a ruse so the Israelis are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: TheBoy on 15 October 2023, 12:16:03
In their limited defense, the Israelis are trying to warn people ahead of time... flashbombs on the roof of the building they're about to flatten or in ten minutes don't be in the cafe on the corner of Madeleine street or on the A1 between junction 7 and 9...

Unfortunately, Hamas always play dirty and insist that it's all a ruse so the Israelis are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
And lets not forget the stupid, British charities and do-gooders who think Hamas can be negotiated with, so Isreal must turn on power and water and put a stop to further action....
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Raeturbo on 15 October 2023, 12:26:11
And all the “peaceful “ protests on our streets in our country 🙄
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 15 October 2023, 12:57:27
And all the “peaceful “ protests on our streets in our country 🙄

Diversity is our strength, Rae.

Every left wing London  vegan knows this.  :)
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 15 October 2023, 13:16:48
And all the “peaceful “ protests on our streets in our country 🙄

Diversity is our strength, Rae.

Every left wing London  vegan knows this.  :)
Apparently Inclusivity starts with I... which sounds like marketing wank for exactly the opposite of inclusivity. Which makes sense as Diversity is marketing wank for Divisity.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: STEMO on 17 October 2023, 07:16:56
Old man Joe Biden is travelling to Israel later in the week 'to show solidarity and discuss the humanitarian crisis in Gaza'. A totally unnecessary security risk, in my opinion. I can't see him being able to leg it to a bomb shelter and, if a rocket goes off within half a mile of him, the old fella would probably have a heart attack.  ;D
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Rangie on 17 October 2023, 09:27:01
Old man Joe Biden is travelling to Israel later in the week 'to show solidarity and discuss the humanitarian crisis in Gaza'. A totally unnecessary security risk, in my opinion. I can't see him being able to leg it to a bomb shelter and, if a rocket goes off within half a mile of him, the old fella would probably have a heart attack.  ;D
.

Probably wouldn't even hear it.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 October 2023, 13:16:58
Old man Joe Biden is travelling to Israel later in the week 'to show solidarity and discuss the humanitarian crisis in Gaza'. A totally unnecessary security risk, in my opinion. I can't see him being able to leg it to a bomb shelter and, if a rocket goes off within half a mile of him, the old fella would probably have a heart attack.  ;D
Be a shame for Iran to waste such an opportunity.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 17 October 2023, 14:44:37
Old man Joe Biden is travelling to Israel later in the week 'to show solidarity and discuss the humanitarian crisis in Gaza'. A totally unnecessary security risk, in my opinion. I can't see him being able to leg it to a bomb shelter and, if a rocket goes off within half a mile of him, the old fella would probably have a heart attack.  ;D
Be a shame for Iran to waste such an opportunity.

Whether they do or not, it'll be a great photo op when Sleepy Joe has to scurry into a bomb shelter.  ::)
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 October 2023, 15:03:31
Old man Joe Biden is travelling to Israel later in the week 'to show solidarity and discuss the humanitarian crisis in Gaza'. A totally unnecessary security risk, in my opinion. I can't see him being able to leg it to a bomb shelter and, if a rocket goes off within half a mile of him, the old fella would probably have a heart attack.  ;D
Be a shame for Iran to waste such an opportunity.

Whether they do or not, it'll be a great photo op when Sleepy Joe has to scurry into a bomb shelter.  ::)
Assuming he doesn't break his neck falling off Airforce 1 when he lands in Tel Aviv  >:D
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 17 October 2023, 15:08:44
Old man Joe Biden is travelling to Israel later in the week 'to show solidarity and discuss the humanitarian crisis in Gaza'. A totally unnecessary security risk, in my opinion. I can't see him being able to leg it to a bomb shelter and, if a rocket goes off within half a mile of him, the old fella would probably have a heart attack.  ;D
Be a shame for Iran to waste such an opportunity.

Whether they do or not, it'll be a great photo op when Sleepy Joe has to scurry into a bomb shelter.  ::)
Assuming he doesn't break his neck falling off Airforce 1 when he lands in Tel Aviv  >:D

They should fit a stairlift for the poor old boy!  ;D
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: STEMO on 17 October 2023, 15:30:24
Old man Joe Biden is travelling to Israel later in the week 'to show solidarity and discuss the humanitarian crisis in Gaza'. A totally unnecessary security risk, in my opinion. I can't see him being able to leg it to a bomb shelter and, if a rocket goes off within half a mile of him, the old fella would probably have a heart attack.  ;D
Be a shame for Iran to waste such an opportunity.

Whether they do or not, it'll be a great photo op when Sleepy Joe has to scurry into a bomb shelter.  ::)
Assuming he doesn't break his neck falling off Airforce 1 when he lands in Tel Aviv  >:D

They should fit a stairlift for the poor old boy!  ;D
I'll tell yer what...that might just be an idea  ;D
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 October 2023, 15:39:02
Getting him off the aircraft isn't a problem... straight drop/slide/steps/ambilift are all pretty effective.

For getting back on, a belt loader will get the job done if you use the straight drop disembarkation method >:D
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: LC0112G on 17 October 2023, 15:52:19
Getting him off the aircraft isn't a problem... straight drop/slide/steps/ambilift are all pretty effective.

For getting back on, a belt loader will get the job done if you use the straight drop disembarkation method >:D

AirForce1 - or more accurately the two B-747 based VC-25's - have two sets of built in steps allowing people to get on and off via the (what were on ordinary B-742's) cargo doors...

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/31/1196803354/biden-air-force-one-short-stairs

The rear steps are normally used by the on-board press entourage so they can get off quickly and then scurry round to the front steps to photograph POTUS as he descends the front steps.

However, there is speculation that the VC-25's won't be used into Israel, although that would cause some loss of face for the Israelis. The VC-25 will probably bounce through somewhere like Ramstein, before carrying on to Israel, but POTUS may get there on a less conspicuous type. There's certainly a lot of 'dodgy' C-130 Hercules passing eastbound through Europe at the moment. 
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 17 October 2023, 16:11:22
Getting him off the aircraft isn't a problem... straight drop/slide/steps/ambilift are all pretty effective.

For getting back on, a belt loader will get the job done if you use the straight drop disembarkation method >:D

AirForce1 - or more accurately the two B-747 based VC-25's - have two sets of built in steps allowing people to get on and off via the (what were on ordinary B-742's) cargo doors...

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/31/1196803354/biden-air-force-one-short-stairs

The rear steps are normally used by the on-board press entourage so they can get off quickly and then scurry round to the front steps to photograph POTUS as he descends the front steps.

However, there is speculation that the VC-25's won't be used into Israel, although that would cause some loss of face for the Israelis. The VC-25 will probably bounce through somewhere like Ramstein, before carrying on to Israel, but POTUS may get there on a less conspicuous type. There's certainly a lot of 'dodgy' C-130 Hercules passing eastbound through Europe at the moment.

Munitions runs for the IDF?  ???

Zelenskyy must be looking on enviously and nervously...  :-\
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: LC0112G on 17 October 2023, 16:43:47
Munitions runs for the IDF?  ???

Zelenskyy must be looking on enviously and nervously...  :-\

No, the munitions are going in on normal transport types - C-17's and C-5's, and they show on the normal aircraft tracking sites.

The Hercs are special forces types which seem to be being positioned 'just in case', similar to when POTUS went to Kiev last year. These don't show on the tracking sites.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 17 October 2023, 17:15:51
Munitions runs for the IDF?  ???

Zelenskyy must be looking on enviously and nervously...  :-\

No, the munitions are going in on normal transport types - C-17's and C-5's, and they show on the normal aircraft tracking sites.

The Hercs are special forces types which seem to be being positioned 'just in case', similar to when POTUS went to Kiev last year. These don't show on the tracking sites.

Here's one for you Malc.

Late one night last week, about midnightish I think, I heard a large aircraft go over quite low. When I checked it out it was a Canadian Herc coming from the Azores and went to RAF Waddington.

Wonder what they were doing?  :-\
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: LC0112G on 17 October 2023, 17:53:05
Here's one for you Malc.

Late one night last week, about midnightish I think, I heard a large aircraft go over quite low. When I checked it out it was a Canadian Herc coming from the Azores and went to RAF Waddington.

Wonder what they were doing?  :-\

There was an exercise up at Waddington last month, and the Canadians deployed 6 F-18 Hornets from Canada to Waddington for it. Whilst there one of the F-18's was (and still is I think) broken, so they've been shuttling C-130's and C-17's backwards and forwards from various locations with spares trying to fix it. The Azores (specifically Lajes AB) is a common stopping off point mid Atlantic.

There has also been a Canadian C-130 deployed to Prestwick for the past several months. It typically runs from Scotland to somewhere in south east Europe fairly regularly, and your guess is as good as mine as tomwhat it's carrying. ::)
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 17 October 2023, 18:09:43
Here's one for you Malc.

Late one night last week, about midnightish I think, I heard a large aircraft go over quite low. When I checked it out it was a Canadian Herc coming from the Azores and went to RAF Waddington.

Wonder what they were doing?  :-\

There was an exercise up at Waddington last month, and the Canadians deployed 6 F-18 Hornets from Canada to Waddington for it. Whilst there one of the F-18's was (and still is I think) broken, so they've been shuttling C-130's and C-17's backwards and forwards from various locations with spares trying to fix it. The Azores (specifically Lajes AB) is a common stopping off point mid Atlantic.

There has also been a Canadian C-130 deployed to Prestwick for the past several months. It typically runs from Scotland to somewhere in south east Europe fairly regularly, and your guess is as good as mine as tomwhat it's carrying. ::)

I wondered whether it was a refuelling stop, but the Azores is quite a detour from Canadia and I'd have thought that the Hercs could do Newfoundland to the UK in one hop anyway?  :-\

Maybe the crew needed refuelling?  ;D



Title: Re: Israel
Post by: LC0112G on 17 October 2023, 18:27:04
Bit of digging - on 3rd October around 10pm it was callsign "Canforce 2514", C-130J tail number 130614, and yes it came in from Lajes and landed at Waddington. Don't know why it came in that way, but if it was carrying spares for the dead F-18 it's possible it didn't start out from Canada - it could have come from one of the logistics bases in the USA where the spares are stored.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 17 October 2023, 18:57:10
Bit of digging - on 3rd October around 10pm it was callsign "Canforce 2514", C-130J tail number 130614, and yes it came in from Lajes and landed at Waddington. Don't know why it came in that way, but if it was carrying spares for the dead F-18 it's possible it didn't start out from Canada - it could have come from one of the logistics bases in the USA where the spares are stored.

That makes sense, especially if it started out from somewhere like Arizona.   Thanks Malc.  :y
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 October 2023, 18:59:31
The Spanish Airforce have F16s based in Gran Canaria. Not a massive stretch to think that the Portuguese do something similar. All NATO partners and all that... ;)

Technically, you don't need any steps to board any 747, having boarded a couple via the avionics bay. Ironically both were El Al aircraft :-X

I was being slightly facetious, if Sippy Cup walked out of 2L without steps I doubt he would survive the fall... (shattered legs, pelvis and lower spine are pretty typical even on healthy people... add in bags and you can add wrists to the list), so a belt loader would suffice to get the ensuing pine box into the bulk hold.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 17 October 2023, 19:55:07
Meanwhile...........its being reported that a Hospital in Gaza has been hit by an Israeli missile, killing over 500 people.
That really isnt going to help their cause. They need to be a lot more careful by the sound of things.  :(
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: STEMO on 17 October 2023, 20:06:44
I don't know why we/they/everyone even bothered with the Geneva Convention, rules of engagement, humanitarian laws, etc. In every conflict that has taken place in the last 50 years or so, they have been totally ignored, only a few Africans and Serbs have been held to account.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: LC0112G on 17 October 2023, 20:46:19
The Spanish Airforce have F16s based in Gran Canaria. Not a massive stretch to think that the Portuguese do something similar. All NATO partners and all that... ;)

The Spanish don't operate F-16', but they do have F-18's at Gando in Gran Canaria. Nothing at Lajes in the Azores though, coz that's a Portugese territory.

The Portugese do operate F-16's (although they've flogged half of them to Romania), but they are all based north of Lisbon at Monte Real - only a few Search and Rescue types based at Lajes. However, it was a big USAF/NATO staging post over the Atlantic quite until recently, and still gets a lot of transient traffic.
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 October 2023, 20:49:23
The Spanish Airforce have F16s based in Gran Canaria. Not a massive stretch to think that the Portuguese do something similar. All NATO partners and all that... ;)

The Spanish don't operate F-16', but they do have F-18's at Gando in Gran Canaria. Nothing at Lajes in the Azores though, coz that's a Portugese territory.

The Portugese do operate F-16's (although they've flogged half of them to Romania), but they are all based north of Lisbon at Monte Real - only a few Search and Rescue types based at Lajes. However, it was a big USAF/NATO staging post over the Atlantic quite until recently, and still gets a lot of transient traffic.
DOH, of course they're F18 s in GC :-[ have built models of both, so I should really be able to tell them apart :D
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 17 October 2023, 21:12:26
Meanwhile...........its being reported that a Hospital in Gaza has been hit by an Israeli missile, killing over 500 people.
That really isnt going to help their cause. They need to be a lot more careful by the sound of things.  :(

The Israelis are saying that the missile was a stray Islamic Jihad missile from a barrage of missiles fired at Israel.  I hope they are right and I hope they can prove it.

Apparently the Israeli Embassy in Amman, Jordan has been breached by protestors.  :-\  :(

Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 October 2023, 21:27:06
Meanwhile...........its being reported that a Hospital in Gaza has been hit by an Israeli missile, killing over 500 people.
That really isnt going to help their cause. They need to be a lot more careful by the sound of things.  :(

The Israelis are saying that the missile was a stray Islamic Jihad missile from a barrage of missiles fired at Israel.  I hope they are right and I hope they can prove it.

Apparently the Israeli Embassy in Amman, Jordan has been breached by protestors.  :-\  :(
Have the Americans arrived already?

Joking aside, it won't be long before Amman and Cairo get onto our no go list :-\

Egypt will be pleased because if it doesn't take much of a leap to start picking on tourists of countries that support Israel just in time for the winter sun season...
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 17 October 2023, 21:34:17
Meanwhile...........its being reported that a Hospital in Gaza has been hit by an Israeli missile, killing over 500 people.
That really isnt going to help their cause. They need to be a lot more careful by the sound of things.  :(

The Israelis are saying that the missile was a stray Islamic Jihad missile from a barrage of missiles fired at Israel.  I hope they are right and I hope they can prove it.


Apparently the Israeli Embassy in Amman, Jordan has been breached by protestors.  :-\  :(

Me too. If it turned out to be the Israelis they will lose a lot of support. If they can prove the Islamist Barbarians did this to their own people it should be the end of any support for them from anywhere.
Truth is the first casualty of war, so who really knows at the moment ?
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 17 October 2023, 21:36:28
Meanwhile...........its being reported that a Hospital in Gaza has been hit by an Israeli missile, killing over 500 people.
That really isnt going to help their cause. They need to be a lot more careful by the sound of things.  :(

The Israelis are saying that the missile was a stray Islamic Jihad missile from a barrage of missiles fired at Israel.  I hope they are right and I hope they can prove it.

Apparently the Israeli Embassy in Amman, Jordan has been breached by protestors.  :-\  :(
Have the Americans arrived already?

Joking aside, it won't be long before Amman and Cairo get onto our no go list :-\

Egypt will be pleased because if it doesn't take much of a leap to start picking on tourists of countries that support Israel just in time for the winter sun season...

Reportedly an Egyptian minister said today that if Europe is so keen on human rights they can take a million Gazan refugees.  ::)
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: STEMO on 17 October 2023, 21:52:55
Meanwhile...........its being reported that a Hospital in Gaza has been hit by an Israeli missile, killing over 500 people.
That really isnt going to help their cause. They need to be a lot more careful by the sound of things.  :(

The Israelis are saying that the missile was a stray Islamic Jihad missile from a barrage of missiles fired at Israel.  I hope they are right and I hope they can prove it.

Apparently the Israeli Embassy in Amman, Jordan has been breached by protestors.  :-\  :(
Have the Americans arrived already?

Joking aside, it won't be long before Amman and Cairo get onto our no go list :-\

Egypt will be pleased because if it doesn't take much of a leap to start picking on tourists of countries that support Israel just in time for the winter sun season...

Reportedly an Egyptian minister said today that if Europe is so keen on human rights they can take a million Gazan refugees.  ::)
How long would it take them to get here in small boats?  :-\
Title: Re: Israel
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 October 2023, 21:59:31
Be here before Christmas. :-X