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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 12 September 2008, 22:18:44
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Visited Wim today.
Opted for full alignment - £85 can't be too bad.
The only bugger of it was, everything was already in limits, apart from the tracking, which was easily adjusted - no other adjustments were needed, so the car didn't need to be up in the air for long!
I must say, the Centre is very impressive indeed and they are all nice chaps :y
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Just to add - it does drive better after tracking set right.
Out of interest, does having the tracking right make a huge difference to economy (if the car isn't "fighting" itself)... I noticed considerably more MPG on the motorway coming back! :-?
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Tyre scrub will dent MPG, but not sure by how much, TBH..
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Did you put new boots on as well ??? seem to recall them being mentioned ??
If you did .. just remember, new boots have a larger diameter, so giving a greater circumference, so for each revolution of the wheel you will travel further ... ergo ... more miles per gallon... :D :D :D :D
(well it's a nice theory anyway !!!! )
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Visited Wim today.
Opted for full alignment - £85 can't be too bad.
The only bugger of it was, everything was already in limits, apart from the tracking, which was easily adjusted - no other adjustments were needed, so the car didn't need to be up in the air for long!
I must say, the Centre is very impressive indeed and they are all nice chaps :y
No way, really? Have you changed the wishbones or any of that stuff?
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No way, really? Have you changed the wishbones or any of that stuff?
Wishbones changed and camber set with a spirit level. :y
Good job it wasn't out actually, because we left it on the limits of adjustment IIRC.
Kevin
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Did you put new boots on as well ??? seem to recall them being mentioned ??
If you did .. just remember, new boots have a larger diameter, so giving a greater circumference, so for each revolution of the wheel you will travel further ... ergo ... more miles per gallon... :D :D :D :D
(well it's a nice theory anyway !!!! )
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
If it's the MID mpg, then it'd probably be worse - as it wouldn't know you've travelled further - it only counts wheel revolutions! New tyres might be lower rolling resistance - which might account for some improvement, though..?
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Did you put new boots on as well ??? seem to recall them being mentioned ??
If you did .. just remember, new boots have a larger diameter, so giving a greater circumference, so for each revolution of the wheel you will travel further ... ergo ... more miles per gallon... :D :D :D :D
(well it's a nice theory anyway !!!! )
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
If it's the MID mpg, then it'd probably be worse - as it wouldn't know you've travelled further - it only counts wheel revolutions! New tyres might be lower rolling resistance - which might account for some improvement, though..?
That would depend if the MID is calibrated on new boots or old though wouldn't it .... :) and what pressures the tyres are at ... :)
(I love a pointless esoteric argument .... :D :D :D :D )
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Did you put new boots on as well ??? seem to recall them being mentioned ??
If you did .. just remember, new boots have a larger diameter, so giving a greater circumference, so for each revolution of the wheel you will travel further ... ergo ... more miles per gallon... :D :D :D :D
(well it's a nice theory anyway !!!! )
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
If it's the MID mpg, then it'd probably be worse - as it wouldn't know you've travelled further - it only counts wheel revolutions! New tyres might be lower rolling resistance - which might account for some improvement, though..?
That would depend if the MID is calibrated on new boots or old though wouldn't it .... :) and what pressures the tyres are at ... :)
(I love a pointless esoteric argument .... :D :D :D :D )
Are you enjoying you retirement? I know off topic :-[
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Did you put new boots on as well ??? seem to recall them being mentioned ??
If you did .. just remember, new boots have a larger diameter, so giving a greater circumference, so for each revolution of the wheel you will travel further ... ergo ... more miles per gallon... :D :D :D :D
(well it's a nice theory anyway !!!! )
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
If it's the MID mpg, then it'd probably be worse - as it wouldn't know you've travelled further - it only counts wheel revolutions! New tyres might be lower rolling resistance - which might account for some improvement, though..?
That would depend if the MID is calibrated on new boots or old though wouldn't it .... :) and what pressures the tyres are at ... :)
(I love a pointless esoteric argument .... :D :D :D :D )
Are you enjoying you retirement? I know off topic :-[
First 2 days have been pretty good ... except for the weather :)
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Did you put new boots on as well ??? seem to recall them being mentioned ??
If you did .. just remember, new boots have a larger diameter, so giving a greater circumference, so for each revolution of the wheel you will travel further ... ergo ... more miles per gallon... :D :D :D :D
(well it's a nice theory anyway !!!! )
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
If it's the MID mpg, then it'd probably be worse - as it wouldn't know you've travelled further - it only counts wheel revolutions! New tyres might be lower rolling resistance - which might account for some improvement, though..?
That would depend if the MID is calibrated on new boots or old though wouldn't it .... :) and what pressures the tyres are at ... :)
(I love a pointless esoteric argument .... :D :D :D :D )
Are you enjoying you retirement? I know off topic :-[
Day one has been pretty good ... except for the weather :)
:y
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Yes Nige, I did have new boots ;)
Although the ones that came off were ok - (certainly legal!) just too worn on the edge!
Very odd though - it is most definately doing about 6mpg more than it was before.
Even if if didn't need much adjustment, it is clearly well worth the money if it helps economy that much!!
Thinking back, (on some tasks with assistance of others) have done a huge amount on this car - including replacing the sticky stat, badly setup cambelt kit, crap gearbox, so on so forth.
When I bought this car it said 22/24mpg on a 70mph run. I am now easily clearing 35mpg at those speeds.
While I am not totally there, it does feel good to have that level of progress in a month :)
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Yes Nige, I did have new boots ;)
Although the ones that came off were ok - (certainly legal!) just too worn on the edge!
Very odd though - it is most definately doing about 6mpg more than it was before.
Even if if didn't need much adjustment, it is clearly well worth the money if it helps economy that much!!
Thinking back, (on some tasks with assistance of others) have done a huge amount on this car - including replacing the sticky stat, badly setup cambelt kit, crap gearbox, so on so forth.
When I bought this car it said 22/24mpg on a 70mph run. I am now easily clearing 35mpg at those speeds.
While I am not totally there, it does feel good to have that level of progress in a month :)
Probably a combination of all the little things you've done .. just proves that a well maintained car runs better and more efficiently :y :y
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Yes Nige, I did have new boots ;)
Although the ones that came off were ok - (certainly legal!) just too worn on the edge!
Very odd though - it is most definately doing about 6mpg more than it was before.
Even if if didn't need much adjustment, it is clearly well worth the money if it helps economy that much!!
Thinking back, (on some tasks with assistance of others) have done a huge amount on this car - including replacing the sticky stat, badly setup cambelt kit, crap gearbox, so on so forth.
When I bought this car it said 22/24mpg on a 70mph run. I am now easily clearing 35mpg at those speeds.
While I am not totally there, it does feel good to have that level of progress in a month :)
Probably a combination of all the little things you've done .. just proves that a well maintained car runs better and more efficiently :y :y
At a steady 60 today on the M40 (believe it or not, that is how I usually drive!) it was reading 39mpg average. Whilst I don't believe that of a V6, it is better than the 22 it was displaying when I bought it.
I still argue that I would rather get 35mpg out of a petrol V6, - than 41mpg out of a TD. I think what I would save in runing costs, (given diesel is 10p a litre more) by having a TD - I would soon save in being able to maintain the V6 myself.
The big question for me is LPG. Thing is, most of my driving is long distance - and if I can get close to 35mpg on petrol this way - it does make me wonder if LPG is viable. The most my 2.0 16V LPG ever did on a run was 26mpg..... :-/
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A V6 might do 35 MPG on a run (I have had my MID reading 38 AVG after 100 miles at 60) but it'll plummet as soon as you come to any kind of junction, [size=8]or get bored and floor it[/size].
My mixture of "A" roads and urban driving day to day returned 27MPG on petrol, and is doing about 23 on LPG. I haven't done a long run on LPG yet. :-/
LPG really depends what your payback time will be, TBH.
Kevin
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My long term average in the 3L is 27mpg according to MID, which I'm not too unhappy about. Mixed driving. I know it will get mid thities on a long run.
James, did you still have to pay 85 quid even though they just did the tracking? I thought they charged per adjustment needed..?
What rubber did you go for?
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I did a long run earlier in the year mainly motorway and traveling at mid 80s I averaged 25mpg on filling on LPG
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Yes Nige, I did have new boots ;)
Although the ones that came off were ok - (certainly legal!) just too worn on the edge!
Very odd though - it is most definately doing about 6mpg more than it was before.
Even if if didn't need much adjustment, it is clearly well worth the money if it helps economy that much!!
Thinking back, (on some tasks with assistance of others) have done a huge amount on this car - including replacing the sticky stat, badly setup cambelt kit, crap gearbox, so on so forth.
When I bought this car it said 22/24mpg on a 70mph run. I am now easily clearing 35mpg at those speeds.
While I am not totally there, it does feel good to have that level of progress in a month :)
Probably a combination of all the little things you've done .. just proves that a well maintained car runs better and more efficiently :y :y
At a steady 60 today on the M40 (believe it or not, that is how I usually drive!) it was reading 39mpg average. Whilst I don't believe that of a V6, it is better than the 22 it was displaying when I bought it.
I still argue that I would rather get 35mpg out of a petrol V6, - than 41mpg out of a TD. I think what I would save in runing costs, (given diesel is 10p a litre more) by having a TD - I would soon save in being able to maintain the V6 myself.
The big question for me is LPG. Thing is, most of my driving is long distance - and if I can get close to 35mpg on petrol this way - it does make me wonder if LPG is viable. The most my 2.0 16V LPG ever did on a run was 26mpg..... :-/
Difference being the oil burner will return much more driving the way you claim ;) - Cruising up the motorway to Mr DTM's last year at 70mph, trip + range on MID was over 800miles for that tank! OBviously plummeted when I hit the A46 ::)
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For info, JamesV6CDX, my MV6 averages between 24 and 26mpg over the period of a few months. My commute is not great for good mpg (busy, twisty A roads, varying speeds between 30 and 45mph most of the way), and from what you have said, we have very different driving styles...
Knowing the journies I do, mid twenties out of a big 3.0 car, and not being ashamed to unleash it frequently, is bloody good imho...
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does the £85 WIM job include wheel balancing?
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Wheel balancing is part of the process of a tyre change though i'm sure WIM would be happy enough to check the balance of your wheels even if you didn't have new boots.
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Wheel balancing is part of the process of a tyre change though i'm sure WIM would be happy enough to check the balance of your wheels even if you didn't have new boots.
They do wheel balancing even if you have old boots. The tyres on my fronts were apparently new but turned out the balancing was over 25g - 50g out on both. Worth having done imho :y
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The charge for the tyres was £50 per tyre, fully fitted. Competitive enough.
I was under the impression it was £70 to check the values, + extra for adjustments, hence the £85 cost to set the front tracking?
Seems reasonable enough for a reasonable job of getting the tracking right
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Wheel balancing is part of the process of a tyre change though i'm sure WIM would be happy enough to check the balance of your wheels even if you didn't have new boots.
They do wheel balancing even if you have old boots. The tyres on my fronts were apparently new but turned out the balancing was over 25g - 50g out on both. Worth having done imho :y
Only my fronts were balanced..
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what does WIM offer than most crash repair centres with electronic alignment and geometric set up dont? im not sure of the difference.
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what does WIM offer than most crash repair centres with electronic alignment and geometric set up dont? im
Good customer service, by the most of the opinions here....
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what does WIM offer than most crash repair centres with electronic alignment and geometric set up dont? im
Good customer service, by the most of the opinions here....
I believe Tony's knowledge of all things geometry related far exceeds 99.99% of anyone elses.
I wouldn't take my car anywhere else for geometry checks / issues and to be honest the labour rates and prices of tyres are very good.
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Look at it this way. Although £85 isn't the cheapest considering the only adjustment was the tracking - at the end of the day, when you think about it, I still think it was worth it.
For the simple reason Tony know's his stuff, and was able to reassure me that all the other angles his machine measured were in limits :y
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That is a hell of alot for a check plus tracking tho :-?
I thought he had lowered his prices to £75 :-/ for OOF??
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That is a hell of alot for a check plus tracking tho :-?
I thought he had lowered his prices to £75 :-/ for OOF??
I thought it was £70.50 for the check, and a charge for the adjustment. In this case I needed the tracking only adjusted - so assumed the extra £14.50 was for this adjustment - making the total £85?
Seemed correct at the time? ::)
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Look at it this way. Although £85 isn't the cheapest considering the only adjustment was the tracking - at the end of the day, when you think about it, I still think it was worth it.
For the simple reason Tony know's his stuff, and was able to reassure me that all the other angles his machine measured were in limits :y
Excellent result James as Tony's target settings for the Omega are much 'tighter' than the GM issued figures.
What tyres did you have fitted on the front?
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That is a hell of alot for a check plus tracking tho :-?
I thought he had lowered his prices to £75 :-/ for OOF??
I thought it was £70.50 for the check, and a charge for the adjustment. In this case I needed the tracking only adjusted - so assumed the extra £14.50 was for this adjustment - making the total £85?
Seemed correct at the time? ::)
Tyres unbranded, VXL... only cheap ones on the basis they won't be on there for long - when my alloys are sorted.
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Ah right, have you got the police spec steelies on then?
Must get my spare set of alloys refurbed when I can find some money ::)
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Standard Omega steelies - not sure if they're Police spec or not. Don't appear anything special - just wheels that turn around ;D
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Standard Omega steelies - not sure if they're Police spec or not. Don't appear anything special - just wheels that turn around ;D
Ey that's what I mean't.... don't cost as much to replace when pursuing TWOC merchants over curbs and through the local park! ;D
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i asked as my local crash repair centre (the one that did my recent respray) has a geometric/electronic alignment set up and say it will be 70 quid all in.
coincidentally enough, fellow oofer serek recommended them as he took his mv6 there and got a full set up. i wondered if wim offered some different kind of product.