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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Kate on 14 September 2008, 17:48:04
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I'd like to know what people think of 2 litre migs?
I keep seeing them for sale all the time.
Is the V6 better?
What about fuel economy etc.?
Thanks for any advice!
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I quite like mine...economy is about what i expected being an Auto (30mpg or just over). Insurance is cheaper as well.
Not a ball of fire like i'd expect a V6 to be, but still keeps up with traffic easily. Shame you don't get the V6 growl, though..
No problems with cam cover gaskets or oil coolers to have nightmares about, although the breather under the throttle body is a sod to get to.
All in all, a cheaper way to Mig ownership, i'd say...
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i have a 2.2 manual, i like it.
4 pots, fresh oil makes one heck of a difference. Mines on 112k now, and its sooo much smoother than when i bought it with 84k.
However if i was buying again, i would go for the 3.0 without question.
30mpg is easy, when its driven really, really hard, worse i can do is 26mpg over tank.
Thats on my 9 mile commute, doing 100+ ::) hard away from the junctions 6k rpm....
Did a tank full of that on BP ultimate.
Taking it normally on this tank, should see 420 miles :y
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They sound alright then. :y
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Why the 3.0 by the way?
Are they not just gas guzzlers?
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Pretty much - they're no slouch, unless you compare them to a V6..
For me, quick enough for everyday traffic - and get me out of trouble if needed. For speed, I have other cars..my Mig is for (reasonably) economical, but very comfortable commuting - which it does amicably.
Downside? Struggles towing a big load - but that only happens a few times a year so I just leave it in Sport mode!
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IMHO 2.0ltr ok but I would look for the manual box. With autobox tend to use "sport" option unless you like a leisurely drive ;D
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If you had a choice would you buy a 2 litre or a V6?
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If you had a choice would you buy a 2 litre or a V6?
V6 every time, 2.5 is just as economical as a 2.0 imho
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Depends on which way you are going ( or coming!). 2 litres is OK if it's a first mig and you are used to driving a smaller car. Trading down from a V6 you will notice the loss in power --- all hangs on what you are used to really
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If you had a choice would you buy a 2 litre or a V6?
V6 every time, 2.5 is just as economical as a 2.0 imho
Thanks. I have had both in the past but the head gasket went on my V6. :'(
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4 pots are easy to work on for us normal folk, sooooo much space!
I don't do many miles, so i could easily afford 3.0 running costs.
Trouble is my 2.2 is proving so reliable at the moment, belt was done at 100k, GM zorst 2 years ago, its running very, very smooth, close to V6. (oil change every 3 months or so for 2 years has done that)
Tyres still good, no rust, i just can't sell it :'(
If it died tommorow for what ever reason, i would replace with a 3.0 ....
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I have the 3.0 v6, and love it!
If I got another mig, and wanted something quick, I would get a V6. However, If i wasn't fussed about the speed, I would go for the Diesel versions (Pref 2.5TD). (Unless the 2.0 was cheap and LPGed!)
I've never been in a 2.0 Omega so all I can compare it to is a 1.8 Vectra which I had for a year, which im guessing will be about the same as the mig performance wise due to it been a little bit lighter. The vectra wasn't slow, but it wasn't quick either - You just had to work it hard when you wanted it to shift!
Engine wise, the 2.0 will be easy to work on, which in the long run will save you money (unless you fix it yourself).
Both engines suffer from leaking rocker gaskets for example, however its a 10 min job on the 4 pots! :y
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Driven with a steady right foot, my 3.0 is about 3-4 mpg down on my old 2.0. If you do a lot of town miles the difference is worse.
Not as bad as I expected. The 2.0 used to spend longer on full throttle due to the lower power.
The V6 sounds much nicer than the 2.0, especially higher up the rev range ;D
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So if I bought a 3.0 what would the mpg be like?
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So if I bought a 3.0 what would the mpg be like?
Depends how you drive it, but mine does about 27. That's about 50/50 mix of the crawl to work and longer journeys.
I think the best I had was 32 on a journey to Birmingham. Driving like a Nun ;)
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my 3.2 only gives 5.8 km to the litre but fortunately fuel is cheap here. I rarely put my foot down either, too scared ;D But this is with the A/C on. Full tank gives me about 330kms.
Having said that I would be happy with a 2litre. Big deal if it is slightly sluggish, I'm not trying to outrace anyone.
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So if I bought a 3.0 what would the mpg be like?
2000 miles, town and motorway has returned an average of 28 mpg for me and i am pretty heavy on the loud pedal ::)
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So if I bought a 3.0 what would the mpg be like?
Around town between 17-20, motorway cruising high 20`s to low 30`s averaging about 25 over a full tank. Insurance group 16
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That sounds pretty good, much better than I was expecting! :y
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2.5 drinks similiar to 2.0 .. If I were you I would prefer 2.5 manual..
Driven sensibly will give good mpg..And is not slow even with auto..
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I ran 2.0s for about 4 years, not bad cars at all, a bit sluggish but not slow.
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2.5 drinks similiar to 2.0 .. If I were you I would prefer 2.5 manual..
Driven sensibly will give good mpg..And is not slow even with auto..
Yes I had a 2.5 and it was great apart from the head gasket thing!
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and forgot to add :
buying from a known member in OOF is a better idea..
As the histories are known and will keep you away from spending
unnecessary cash..Or at least check the car with the OOFers..
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and forgot to add :
buying from a known member in OOF is a better idea..
As the histories are known and will keep you away from spending
unnecessary cash..Or at least check the car with the OOFers..
Yes I have learnt that to my peril! :'(
I really like this but didn't dare:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220278610843&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012
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So if I bought a 3.0 what would the mpg be like?
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk106/skruntie/Cleethopes%20001/DSCF2095.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk106/skruntie/Cleethopes%20001/DSCF2098.jpg)
Done this morning, average speed and mpg . Cruise set at 75mph (actual 70 on computer) weather was patchy fog but visibility was good, roads empty, never dropped below cruise control setting and speeds of up to ::) ::)
So 30+ MPG is easy. had I have just driven on cruise then approx 34/36 I reckon. that was over say approx a 60 mile run. :y
Cars a 3.0 Elite :y
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So if I bought a 3.0 what would the mpg be like?
Done this morning, average speed and mpg . Cruise set at 75mph (actual 70 on computer) weather was patchy fog but visibility was good, roads empty, never dropped below cruise control setting and speeds of up to ::) ::)
So 30+ MPG is easy. had I have just driven on cruise then approx 34/36 I reckon. that was over say approx a 60 mile run. :y
Cars a 3.0 Elite :y
That is excellent. Well done! :y
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and forgot to add :
buying from a known member in OOF is a better idea..
As the histories are known and will keep you away from spending
unnecessary cash..Or at least check the car with the OOFers..
Yes I have learnt that to my peril! :'(
I really like this but didn't dare:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220278610843&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012
Thought it might have went higher with 28 bids
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IMHO 2.0ltr ok but I would look for the manual box. With autobox tend to use "sport" option unless you like a leisurely drive ;D
Fully agree, we have had both, manual fine, auto - use sport, mostly.
Our Manual was very reliable, we had it for years. :y
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I would give a wide birth to 2 litre Omega's if I was you.
They are heavy on petrol (auto) and their performance is glacial.
Too much weight too little power................2.6 manual is a good choice. :y :y :y
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I would give a wide birth to 2 litre Omega's if I was you.
They are heavy on petrol (auto) and their performance is glacial.
Too much weight too little power................2.6 manual is a good choice. :y :y :y
<--- Blue one is 2.0
They are not too bad, not that economical but they are OK as is.
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So if I bought a 3.0 what would the mpg be like?
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk106/skruntie/Cleethopes%20001/DSCF2095.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk106/skruntie/Cleethopes%20001/DSCF2098.jpg)
Done this morning, average speed and mpg . Cruise set at 75mph (actual 70 on computer) weather was patchy fog but visibility was good, roads empty, never dropped below cruise control setting and speeds of up to ::) ::)
So 30+ MPG is easy. had I have just driven on cruise then approx 34/36 I reckon. that was over say approx a 60 mile run. :y
Cars a 3.0 Elite :y
But ..... stick a caravan on the back and you might get :- :o
(http://img3011.photobox.co.uk/24644945c31adb2d5510edc9f0ec13b59100eeb913a703e92beaac4def8965575a8f5b58.jpg) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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So if I bought a 3.0 what would the mpg be like?
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk106/skruntie/Cleethopes%20001/DSCF2095.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk106/skruntie/Cleethopes%20001/DSCF2098.jpg)
Done this morning, average speed and mpg . Cruise set at 75mph (actual 70 on computer) weather was patchy fog but visibility was good, roads empty, never dropped below cruise control setting and speeds of up to ::) ::)
So 30+ MPG is easy. had I have just driven on cruise then approx 34/36 I reckon. that was over say approx a 60 mile run. :y
Cars a 3.0 Elite :y
But ..... stick a caravan on the back and you might get :- :o
(http://img3011.photobox.co.uk/24644945c31adb2d5510edc9f0ec13b59100eeb913a703e92beaac4def8965575a8f5b58.jpg) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Proves my point caravans are environmentally Unfriendly! ;D
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Proves my point caravans are environmentally Unfriendly! ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
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I think I'll go for 2.5 or 3.0! :y
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I think I'll go for 2.5 or 3.0! :y
3.2 is more fun .... :) but not the most frugal car I've ever owned ... however on LPG is way cheaper than most cars anyway .. :)
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I think I'll go for 2.5 or 3.0! :y
3.2 is more fun .... :) but not the most frugal car I've ever owned ... however on LPG is way cheaper than most cars anyway .. :)
3.2 sounds very fast! :o
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3.2 sounds very fast! :o
Only as fast as you press the loud pedal! :y :y :y
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I think I'll go for 2.5 or 3.0! :y
3.2 is more fun .... :) but not the most frugal car I've ever owned ... however on LPG is way cheaper than most cars anyway .. :)
3.2 sounds very fast! :o
3.2 sounds very nice :y :y :y :y but only goes as fast as you press the "loud" pedal ..... it can be driven gently ... honest !!!
('tis a tad difficult on a motorway to stay at 70 ... but cruise control helps a great deal .. :) )
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I think I'd get locked up if had a 3.2! ;D
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The Omega 3.2 gets a move on - but there are also considerably quicker road going cars out there.
Back to the argument I have always used, while performance is respectable, don't ever really expect to race anything with any model Omega.
Omega is for comfort, not for Speed.
Example - a GTO would kill an Omega speed wise, incl a 3.2 - But - said GTO would not be anywhere near as comfy, realistic to maintain, reliable, or simple for the DIYer to own.
So although Omega is not quick - I see V6 models as more than sufficient, and a great all rounder.
If you want something neck snapping, get a Japanese sports car.
While I don't hold a grudge against 4 pots (I've done some miles in them!) They are no economical than V6 under usual conditions, and very underpowered for the weight of car.
Look at it this way.
2.0 16v Omega - 31mpg at 85mph. 3.0 16V Omega - 29+mpg at 85mpg.
Mine does 34mpg aveage at 70 - that's a 3.0 Auto.
Also consider this,
3.0 V6 Omega is quick and when thrashed gives 15mpg. 2.2DTi Vectra is quicker and gives around 40mpg.
Not sure how this can be - but, I have been unable to keep up with some 2.2 Veccy TDi's - even in "known good" Omega 3.0's..
They are good cars but I am not so sure that will be the case forever.
If I was not reasonably DIY competent, then my car would be in the scrapyard by now with what it would have cost me in bills.
Still reckon you need to be able to attempt DIY to own an Omega :y
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We have a Mitsubishi Galant 2.7 auto and it will P... over any Omgea, and 27mpg in town, so Kate if you are interested it is yours for £800 and a new MOT. Just dont tell swmbo I am selling it, cos she will have to drive a 2.0 auto Mig estate....... ;D ;D ;D
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We have a Mitsubishi Galant 2.7 auto and it will P... over any Omgea, and 27mpg in town, so Kate if you are interested it is yours for £800 and a new MOT. Just dont tell swmbo I am selling it, cos she will have to drive a 2.0 auto Mig estate....... ;D ;D ;D
What does it do on a run, Mike?
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We have a Mitsubishi Galant 2.7 auto and it will P... over any Omgea, and 27mpg in town, so Kate if you are interested it is yours for £800 and a new MOT. Just dont tell swmbo I am selling it, cos she will have to drive a 2.0 auto Mig estate....... ;D ;D ;D
What does it do on a run, Mike?
To be honest never ever checked it, I ran this for about 3 years, just put fuel in when needed, my 27mpg in town comes from a comparison with a Rover 820 which did more, early 30's in exactly the same situation.
On a good run, got to be over mid 30's at a guess, unless you 'drive it' ;D ;D ;D
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my mv6 is quicker than a non turbo skyline off the mark and a GTi 6 306, V6 Vectras and a bmw 330d tourer
3litre will return 21mpg if driven hardish it is possible to get 35mpg if you drive perfectly
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I used to drive a 2.5TD and killed it (water intake - undeserved ending to the car. I miss is :'() I test drove a 2.2 petrol estate and hated it. There's so little happens when you put your foot down. The TD, when it was running, wasn't that impressive either - but at least it kept pulling as the speeds got higher - the 2.2 seemed to struggle to 60 and was then gutless after that. Only my experience.
I was completely disenchanted with the 2.2 and went on the hunt for a 2.5V6, and that's what I've got now. It pulls much better, and the mpg isn't too horrific (I'm getting about 32mpg to and from work at the moment but hoping I'll be able to improve that - got a slight misfire atm).
Given the choice I'd go back and get another 2.5TD - just missed one when I was looking but time ran out and I needed a new motor. V6 sounds lovely though :)
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2.0 seems a little too small an engine to have in such a big car as an Omega, in your position I would go for a 2.5 or 3.0.
I certainly wouldn't downsize from my 2.5 ;)
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I have had 2L and 2.5V6 estates, both manual.
Undoubtedly the V6 is a more refined drive and probably has more umph at speed. But from a standstill I always thought the 4 pot was more than respectable.
Economy - typically I got 500- 550 miles from a tank on the 4 pot vs 400-450 on the V6 (and 350-400 on 3L auto :(). To me that is a significant difference. Just resetting the trip meter when at speed on the motorway is , of course, not representative of normal driving.
Maintenance - the 4 pot is significantly simpler and will have lower bills, especially if you are paying for maintenance (vs diy).
HTH!
(I would avoid 2L auto though. I haven't had one but suspect that will be slow and thirsty)
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Had a W reg V6 gls estate for 3 years loved the get up and go, but hated the fuel consumtion on it going up to london everyday. Never had any probs with till some berk in a truck turned right and ripped door ,wing and headlight of it . Pxed for me 2.2 oilburner and 3 months later got laid off and £200/week worse off, 2.2 's ok but wont tear trees up with performance but at 70 on cruise does 35 -40 mpg on readout so its not so bad , just wish they'd made bigger deisel lump like a 3.0 or some thing like it , but hey cant have everything in life . had it 5 years now and still enjoy driving it , just look at what paid for it and ..... S**t that was a lot off cash for a car and what do I get for px against a newwr car..... NADA!! so i think she's gonna have to go a bit longer