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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: STEMO on 09 August 2024, 20:16:08
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https://www.sytner.co.uk/vehicle-details/a1b3f929-1d66-441b-b2c6-932d7f068390
Local to me and looks to fit the bill :)
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That looks expensive :-\
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That looks expensive :-\
It's from a dealer ;D
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That looks really nice! 8)
Can't speak for the newer Volvo's but I really like my 2004 V70. I've had it for 5 years and apart from a few minor bits and pieces have done 60,000 trouble free miles. :y
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That looks really nice! 8)
Can't speak for the newer Volvo's but I really like my 2004 V70. I've had it for 5 years and apart from a few minor bits and pieces have done 60,000 trouble free miles. :y
Al seems to think it's expensive, but I think it's a lot of car for that kind of money. Mileage is a tad high, but usually not a problem for a 2l diesel.
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That looks really nice! 8)
Can't speak for the newer Volvo's but I really like my 2004 V70. I've had it for 5 years and apart from a few minor bits and pieces have done 60,000 trouble free miles. :y
Al seems to think it's expensive, but I think it's a lot of car for that kind of money. Mileage is a tad high, but usually not a problem for a 2l diesel.
You can get an equal spec Focus, basically the same car, for less and newer.
Another concern is that that is a two year only model, so parts availability might not be that great.
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That looks really nice! 8)
Can't speak for the newer Volvo's but I really like my 2004 V70. I've had it for 5 years and apart from a few minor bits and pieces have done 60,000 trouble free miles. :y
Al seems to think it's expensive, but I think it's a lot of car for that kind of money. Mileage is a tad high, but usually not a problem for a 2l diesel.
You can get an equal spec Focus, basically the same car, for less and newer.
Another concern is that that is a two year only model, so parts availability might not be that great.
Well.....do your stuff....show me! ;D
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No need, just had a quick look. Can't find any sort of focus with comparable spec. None get near 190bhp with a diesel engine. Plus, they just look cheap.
In the reviews of the 2018 V60, it is compared with beemers an Audis, not fords.
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I just found my dream car... Search for yours https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202407252152630?advertising-location=at_cars&atmobcid=soc5&body-type=Estate&fromsra&fuel-type=Diesel&journey=PROMOTED_LISTING_JOURNEY&make=Ford&minimum-badge-engine-size=2.0&model=Focus&sort=year-dsc&year-to=2024
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Not really comparable, looks cheaper and not as much kit and less power.
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Fords although good cars, are cheaper for a reason.
I like my 2008 Mondeo with nearly 170k on the clock, but my 2004 V70 with 190k on the clock feels like a better built more solid car. I've had both cars for a similar time 5-6 years and put similar mileages on them, but the Mondeo has given me more trouble than the V70. ::)
If the Mondeo wasn't a Titanium X with the stiffer suspension and all the spec, I'd probably have got rid ages ago. :-\
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Those two aren't exactly comparable though. The earlier V70 iIS better built than the 2008 Mondeo.
The last V60/Focus is a much closer comparison.
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I know the average age of forum members here is well into 3 figures when I see a discussion on which dreary derv estate is the most practical and economical.
For what it's worth the Focus estate will probably be better to drive than the staid, stolid, and sensible Scandinavian. :y
Also, being the Titanium model it will probably come with more kit. :y
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I know the average age of forum members here is well into 3 figures when I see a discussion on which dreary derv estate is the most practical and economical.
For what it's worth the Focus estate will probably be better to drive than the staid, stolid, and sensible Scandinavian. :y
Also, being the Titanium model it will probably come with more kit. :y
True, driving my V70 is a bit like driving a narrowboat. ;D Although as far as I know it's sat on it's original suspension which has done over 190k miles, so it's somewhat spongey. :)
The Volvo D5 engine however is excellent and has a nice growl when it wakes up. 8)
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Those two aren't exactly comparable though. The earlier V70 iIS better built than the 2008 Mondeo.
The last V60/Focus is a much closer comparison.
That's exactly what I said. ::)
I can't imagine Ford's build quality has got much better over the years, but it is possible that Volvo's have got worse to save cash. ;)
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I've spent the morning shouting at Sytner. So purely on that principle, I wouldn't touch that car.
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I know the average age of forum members here is well into 3 figures when I see a discussion on which dreary derv estate is the most practical and economical.
For what it's worth the Focus estate will probably be better to drive than the staid, stolid, and sensible Scandinavian. :y
Also, being the Titanium model it will probably come with more kit. :y
True, driving my V70 is a bit like driving a narrowboat. ;D Although as far as I know it's sat on it's original suspension which has done over 190k miles, so it's somewhat spongey. :)
The Volvo D5 engine however is excellent and has a nice growl when it wakes up. 8)
5 cylinders lumps do sound good.....much like the 2.5L 5 pot lump from the Audi RS3.
The 2.8 V6 in the mighty Signum is disappointing when it comes to 'aural pleasure' >:D but I think that has something to do with it being a turbo lump. N/A always sounds better. :y
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I've spent the morning shouting at Sytner. So purely on that principle, I wouldn't touch that car.
What is it this time?
If you're rude to them you won't get to suck on the receptionists tits. ;)
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Those two aren't exactly comparable though. The earlier V70 iIS better built than the 2008 Mondeo.
The last V60/Focus is a much closer comparison.
That's exactly what I said. ::)
I can't imagine Ford's build quality has got much better over the years, but it is possible that Volvo's have got worse to save cash. ;)
The new V60 is a rehash of the old V60 which is a close relative of the same age Focus.
The V70 that replaced yours is related to your Mondeo. The older one you have is basically a rehashed 850.
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How many miles on the Astra now Steve? Don't know much about Volvos couple of guys who I used to work with had them and thought they were great cars especially for towing , service history is important with them I believe. Got to be worth taking a look have you checked the MOT history?
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How many miles on the Astra now Steve? Don't know much about Volvos couple of guys who I used to work with had them and thought they were great cars especially for towing , service history is important with them I believe. Got to be worth taking a look have you checked the MOT history?
77000 on the Astra, Mick. Been to Liverpool and back today in it and it's still running fine. Just an itch that needs scratching, and when there's eff all on the telly, I am strangely drawn to autotrader :)
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How many miles on the Astra now Steve? Don't know much about Volvos couple of guys who I used to work with had them and thought they were great cars especially for towing , service history is important with them I believe. Got to be worth taking a look have you checked the MOT history?
77000 on the Astra, Mick. Been to Liverpool and back today in it and it's still running fine. Just an itch that needs scratching, and when there's eff all on the telly, I am strangely drawn to autotrader :)
You need another, cheaper, favourite website ;D
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I've spent the morning shouting at Sytner. So purely on that principle, I wouldn't touch that car.
What is it this time?
If you're rude to them you won't get to suck on the receptionists tits. ;)
Part I bought last week is faulty. They say I have to buy another, whilst mine is sent back to JLR, who then send it back to supplier, who then have 2 months to test. So gonna be 3 months before I learn if they will refund it.
self-abusers.
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How many miles on the Astra now Steve? Don't know much about Volvos couple of guys who I used to work with had them and thought they were great cars especially for towing , service history is important with them I believe. Got to be worth taking a look have you checked the MOT history?
77000 on the Astra, Mick. Been to Liverpool and back today in it and it's still running fine. Just an itch that needs scratching, and when there's eff all on the telly, I am strangely drawn to autotrader :)
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Didn't realise it had done that many miles so probably at the stage to get rid , have you been over to give the Volvo the once over ? It would be a classier act than the Astra if it's been looked after.
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How many miles on the Astra now Steve? Don't know much about Volvos couple of guys who I used to work with had them and thought they were great cars especially for towing , service history is important with them I believe. Got to be worth taking a look have you checked the MOT history?
77000 on the Astra, Mick. Been to Liverpool and back today in it and it's still running fine. Just an itch that needs scratching, and when there's eff all on the telly, I am strangely drawn to autotrader :)
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Didn't realise it had done that many miles so probably at the stage to get rid , have you been over to give the Volvo the once over ? It would be a classier act than the Astra if it's been looked after.
No, as I said earlier, Liverpool to see mother today (94 years young). Maybe go and have a look tomorrow. I'm in a very good position with the dealer. If I don't like the trade in price, or don't particularly like the Volvo, or they don't STFU when I tell them I don't want it coating in snake oil for £300, I'll just drive home in my trusty astra and wait till there's nowt on telly again ;D
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Oh.....and I learned a valuable lesson last time I visited this site, when it was the car people before sytner select. Before any money at all changes hands, I need to see, and test, the wheel nut key and physically see the service history.
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Oh.....and I learned a valuable lesson last time I visited this site, when it was the car people before sytner select. Before any money at all changes hands, I need to see, and test, the wheel nut key and physically see the service history.
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Cash seems to be king , certainly seemed like it when I bought the Toyota recently kept my cool & got spare wheel kit worth £309 number plates in readiness for the plate transfer worth £24 + ceramic coating & internal protection for the fabrics another £370 otherwise I was prepared to walk away, then got £200 off the 3 year service plan.
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Don't know which engine the V60 you're looking at has but one version of the 4 pot diesels that Volvo used suffered from[I think it had something to do with the piston rings] diesel finding its way into the sump and overfilling it.
Sir Tigs. V70 has a fair bit more Ford input than my earlier[P80 platform]phase 1 V70 and some say the phase 2 cars are not as robust because of it.
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Get yourself a fat arse
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202407262182818?sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&aggregatedTrim=&body-type=Estate&colour=&fuel-type=&make=Vauxhall&model=Insignia&page=1&postcode=Pe291tj&price-from=8000&price-to=30000&transmission=&year-to=2024&fromsra
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My OH had a 2016 s60. Hers was the D2, so a total slug, but apart from that it was a nice car. Interior was very comfortable and felt well screwed together - better quality feel than my mate's Mondeo of the same age and much better than our current galaxy in that regard (although to be fair to it the galaxy is a generation older).
190bhp diesel will be more than quick enough for daily use. I'd say go for it :y.
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Part I bought last week is faulty. They say I have to buy another, whilst mine is sent back to JLR, who then send it back to supplier, who then have 2 months to test. So gonna be 3 months before I learn if they will refund it.
self-abusers.
Exceptionally poor form, and not in line with UK consumer law (unless you bought it trade of course in which case that doesn't apply).
Call your credit card company and say they've refused to issue you a refund?
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Steve - I have had my V90 Inscription for 5 years now and definitely best car I have had. See whether you can get a decent warranty out of the dealer. Careful check on where it is up to on service history. Good luck
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Oh.....and I learned a valuable lesson last time I visited this site, when it was the car people before sytner select. Before any money at all changes hands, I need to see, and test, the wheel nut key and physically see the service history.
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Cash seems to be king , certainly seemed like it when I bought the Toyota recently kept my cool & got spare wheel kit worth £309 number plates in readiness for the plate transfer worth £24 + ceramic coating & internal protection for the fabrics another £370 otherwise I was prepared to walk away, then got £200 off the 3 year service plan.
As a rule now, cash is far from king. Firstly, they make more off the finance, and secondly, it's quite expensive to the seller to handle cash compared to other methods.
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Part I bought last week is faulty. They say I have to buy another, whilst mine is sent back to JLR, who then send it back to supplier, who then have 2 months to test. So gonna be 3 months before I learn if they will refund it.
self-abusers.
Exceptionally poor form, and not in line with UK consumer law (unless you bought it trade of course in which case that doesn't apply).
Call your credit card company and say they've refused to issue you a refund?
I note that above the separate door to parts is "Trade Parts", so they probably say all parts are sold under trade conditions.
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Oh.....and I learned a valuable lesson last time I visited this site, when it was the car people before sytner select. Before any money at all changes hands, I need to see, and test, the wheel nut key and physically see the service history.
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Cash seems to be king , certainly seemed like it when I bought the Toyota recently kept my cool & got spare wheel kit worth £309 number plates in readiness for the plate transfer worth £24 + ceramic coating & internal protection for the fabrics another £370 otherwise I was prepared to walk away, then got £200 off the 3 year service plan.
As a rule now, cash is far from king. Firstly, they make more off the finance, and secondly, it's quite expensive to the seller to handle cash compared to other methods.
I think Mick meant buying without finance, not actual pound notes
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Oh.....and I learned a valuable lesson last time I visited this site, when it was the car people before sytner select. Before any money at all changes hands, I need to see, and test, the wheel nut key and physically see the service history.
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Cash seems to be king , certainly seemed like it when I bought the Toyota recently kept my cool & got spare wheel kit worth £309 number plates in readiness for the plate transfer worth £24 + ceramic coating & internal protection for the fabrics another £370 otherwise I was prepared to walk away, then got £200 off the 3 year service plan.
As a rule now, cash is far from king. Firstly, they make more off the finance, and secondly, it's quite expensive to the seller to handle cash compared to other methods.
I think Mick meant buying without finance, not actual pound notes
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Yes that's correct gave £1,000 deposit by credit card once the deal had been agreed & then bank transfer the day before collection, Listers will only except £1,000 by card due to the money laundering aspect , according to what I was told by the sales guy only 7 percent now pay in full when purchasing , the rest are loans/PCP agreements. He wouldn't budge on the screen price but I was more than happy with all the odds & sods I got with the car.
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Part I bought last week is faulty. They say I have to buy another, whilst mine is sent back to JLR, who then send it back to supplier, who then have 2 months to test. So gonna be 3 months before I learn if they will refund it.
self-abusers.
Exceptionally poor form, and not in line with UK consumer law (unless you bought it trade of course in which case that doesn't apply).
Call your credit card company and say they've refused to issue you a refund?
I note that above the separate door to parts is "Trade Parts", so they probably say all parts are sold under trade conditions.
If a garage had fitted it they'd have recourse to the parts supplier in the same way you should.
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How many miles on the Astra now Steve? Don't know much about Volvos couple of guys who I used to work with had them and thought they were great cars especially for towing , service history is important with them I believe. Got to be worth taking a look have you checked the MOT history?
77000 on the Astra, Mick. Been to Liverpool and back today in it and it's still running fine. Just an itch that needs scratching, and when there's eff all on the telly, I am strangely drawn to autotrader :)
You need another, cheaper, favourite website ;D
He's too old for the porn sites. :)
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My OH had a 2016 s60. Hers was the D2, so a total slug, but apart from that it was a nice car. Interior was very comfortable and felt well screwed together - better quality feel than my mate's Mondeo of the same age and much better than our current galaxy in that regard (although to be fair to it the galaxy is a generation older).
190bhp diesel will be more than quick enough for daily use. I'd say go for it :y.
When I was a young lad 100BHP made a performance saloon. Doesn't sound much these days but cars didn't weigh as much as the Titanic back then. :)
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Oh.....and I learned a valuable lesson last time I visited this site, when it was the car people before sytner select. Before any money at all changes hands, I need to see, and test, the wheel nut key and physically see the service history.
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Cash seems to be king , certainly seemed like it when I bought the Toyota recently kept my cool & got spare wheel kit worth £309 number plates in readiness for the plate transfer worth £24 + ceramic coating & internal protection for the fabrics another £370 otherwise I was prepared to walk away, then got £200 off the 3 year service plan.
As a rule now, cash is far from king. Firstly, they make more off the finance, and secondly, it's quite expensive to the seller to handle cash compared to other methods.
I think Mick meant buying without finance, not actual pound notes
even so, the money is made on extras - finance, coatings, warranties etc - so sometimes you get a better options and deals.... ...dont assume that buying outright will get best price :)
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Oh.....and I learned a valuable lesson last time I visited this site, when it was the car people before sytner select. Before any money at all changes hands, I need to see, and test, the wheel nut key and physically see the service history.
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Cash seems to be king , certainly seemed like it when I bought the Toyota recently kept my cool & got spare wheel kit worth £309 number plates in readiness for the plate transfer worth £24 + ceramic coating & internal protection for the fabrics another £370 otherwise I was prepared to walk away, then got £200 off the 3 year service plan.
As a rule now, cash is far from king. Firstly, they make more off the finance, and secondly, it's quite expensive to the seller to handle cash compared to other methods.
I think Mick meant buying without finance, not actual pound notes
even so, the money is made on extras - finance, coatings, warranties etc - so sometimes you get a better options and deals.... ...dont assume that buying outright will get best price :)
This...
When I bought my first XFR they told me I could have interest free finance, so there was no need to pay cash.
When the invoice came through they had added almost £4000 of worthless options that I had not asked for.
When I insisted they they remove them they suddenly decided finance was now 6.9%.
Car dealers are just fundamentally dishonest. :-\
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even so, the money is made on extras - finance, coatings, warranties etc - so sometimes you get a better options and deals.... ...dont assume that buying outright will get best price :)
I paid for both of our Audi’s outright by balance transfer and I was shocked at how hard the Audi dealership tried to push PCP. It wasn’t the sales girl pushing it, it was her boss. He pushed it so hard that we walked out of the showroom and said we’d buy elsewhere. He followed us out and apologised so we did make the purchases.
Although the screen price was technically non-negotiable, they did adjust it to include paint cover and ceramic coating, which they obviously get commission on. I’d said no to everything if it meant the screen price went up but I left having signed up for paint protection and ceramic coating at no extra cost. :y
I think the art of buying is to genuinely not care if you buy that car or not, then they have zero leverage. :y
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I didn't realise just how bad my CBA had become. I made time to go and look at it after lunch, then had 40 winks instead ;D
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even so, the money is made on extras - finance, coatings, warranties etc - so sometimes you get a better options and deals.... ...dont assume that buying outright will get best price :)
I paid for both of our Audi’s outright by balance transfer and I was shocked at how hard the Audi dealership tried to push PCP. It wasn’t the sales girl pushing it, it was her boss. He pushed it so hard that we walked out of the showroom and said we’d buy elsewhere. He followed us out and apologised so we did make the purchases.
Although the screen price was technically non-negotiable, they did adjust it to include paint cover and ceramic coating, which they obviously get commission on. I’d said no to everything if it meant the screen price went up but I left having signed up for paint protection and ceramic coating at no extra cost. :y
I think the art of buying is to genuinely not care if you buy that car or not, then they have zero leverage. :y
The little turds just can't help themselves.
There was a time when they used to sell cars. But as TB says these days they are really selling finance and other assorted crap.
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I didn't realise just how bad my CBA had become. I made time to go and look at it after lunch, then had 40 winks instead ;D
Too bloody hot to faff around looking at used cars you don't really need. ;)
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I didn't realise just how bad my CBA had become. I made time to go and look at it after lunch, then had 40 winks instead ;D
Too bloody hot to faff around looking at used cars you don't really need. ;)
Old Ronny is right. Keep the trusty Astra. :y
My Signum is now 17 years old and still a magnificent piece of engineering that is the envy of this forum. >:D ::)
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I didn't realise just how bad my CBA had become. I made time to go and look at it after lunch, then had 40 winks instead ;D
Too bloody hot to faff around looking at used cars you don't really need. ;)
Especially on a Sunday, Ron, when most chavs consider dragging their tribe around a car supermarket to be a cheap afternoon out. You can just tell they have no intention of buying anything.
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Interior of the Vulva looks nice from the pics. Quality looks good. :y
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I didn't realise just how bad my CBA had become. I made time to go and look at it after lunch, then had 40 winks instead ;D
Too bloody hot to faff around looking at used cars you don't really need. ;)
Especially on a Sunday, Ron, when most chavs consider dragging their tribe around a car supermarket to be a cheap afternoon out. You can just tell they have no intention of buying anything.
Is that before or after they go to Costco and what their uncontrolled offspring rip open every box in the warehouse, with no intention of buying anything...
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Don't know which engine the V60 you're looking at has but one version of the 4 pot diesels that Volvo used suffered from[I think it had something to do with the piston rings] diesel finding its way into the sump and overfilling it.
Sir Tigs. V70 has a fair bit more Ford input than my earlier[P80 platform]phase 1 V70 and some say the phase 2 cars are not as robust because of it.
My V70 is Phase one as well Baza. 2004. :y
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Steve - I have had my V90 Inscription for 5 years now and definitely best car I have had. See whether you can get a decent warranty out of the dealer. Careful check on where it is up to on service history. Good luck
If I was looking for a new or nearly new estate car the V90 would be top of my list. :y
Nice looking cars, although it's a shame they succumbed to the sloped rear door which reduces the cargo space. How is an antique dealer supposed get a wardrobe in that? ??? :-\ ;D
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I didn't realise just how bad my CBA had become. I made time to go and look at it after lunch, then had 40 winks instead ;D
Too bloody hot to faff around looking at used cars you don't really need. ;)
Especially on a Sunday, Ron, when most chavs consider dragging their tribe around a car supermarket to be a cheap afternoon out. You can just tell they have no intention of buying anything.
Is that before or after they go to Costco and what their uncontrolled offspring rip open every box in the warehouse, with no intention of buying anything...
Or at the Sainsbury's near me, where the little unsupervised brats keep playing with the fresh produce. I only go to there as it's very close, but christ, it's rubbish.
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Don't know which engine the V60 you're looking at has but one version of the 4 pot diesels that Volvo used suffered from[I think it had something to do with the piston rings] diesel finding its way into the sump and overfilling it.
Sir Tigs. V70 has a fair bit more Ford input than my earlier[P80 platform]phase 1 V70 and some say the phase 2 cars are not as robust because of it.
My V70 is Phase one as well Baza. 2004. :y
The wifes V70 is a Phase 3 but still feels a better bolted together car than any Mondeo i've been in, the handling, however, isn't designed for any enthusiatic driving!
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That looks really nice! 8)
Can't speak for the newer Volvo's but I really like my 2004 V70. I've had it for 5 years and apart from a few minor bits and pieces have done 60,000 trouble free miles. :y
Al seems to think it's expensive, but I think it's a lot of car for that kind of money. Mileage is a tad high, but usually not a problem for a 2l diesel.
My v70 with that engine has just clicked over 224 k miles and still good
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Finally got round to going to see the V60 today. It was ok, but it definitely never got the juices flowing. Being the base model it didn't even have privacy glass in the rear. I thought just about every car had that now.
I looked at the Volvo, looked at my Astra and thought'Do I really want to give mine and about ten grand for that?' No.
Itch scratched....for now :)
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Finally got round to going to see the V60 today. It was ok, but it definitely never got the juices flowing. Being the base model it didn't even have privacy glass in the rear. I thought just about every car had that now.
I looked at the Volvo, looked at my Astra and thought'Do I really want to give mine and about ten grand for that?' No.
Itch scratched....for now :)
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You'll know when the right one comes along Steve, nothing ventured nothing gained.
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Finally got round to going to see the V60 today. It was ok, but it definitely never got the juices flowing. Being the base model it didn't even have privacy glass in the rear. I thought just about every car had that now.
I looked at the Volvo, looked at my Astra and thought'Do I really want to give mine and about ten grand for that?' No.
Itch scratched....for now :)
You came, you saw, and walked away unimpressed.
I get the same when looking at newer cars now. Is it an age thing? The millennials get all worked up because they have to have the latest Carplay and animated indicators, I fail to get excited.
The trusty Astra lives on for now :)