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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Varche on 07 January 2025, 22:14:36
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One as in many more to come! The entertainment has started.
Panama
Greenland
Gulf of America
NATO members to spend 5% of GDP
Middle East
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The only one of those that's actually a bit tongue in cheek is Gulf of America.
The first two are genuinely strategic. The NATO thing isn't a surprise either as he said as much just before TCV hit.
And likewise the Middle East.
Just because the BBC eejits think it's wrong doesn't make it so.
And just because Labour doesn't like it doesn't make it far right either >:D
Not sure why Trump doing exactly what he said he would is such a surprise, especially as that's basically how he spent his first term... ???
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I presume you are talking about third parties and not me. I didn’t say I agree or disagree with him just that the entertainment has started. ;D
I get why Greenland is so important. Maybe he is trying to get Denmark to spend even more or allow massive American infrastructure.
I do agree that NATO countries are not spending anything like enough on defence especially Spain.
The Panama Canal accounts for a large proportion of Panamas GDP. Why wouldn’t they milk it? Especially as Chinas plan to build a bigger wide Nicaragua canal failed. I would be astonished if the US did take control but suspect it is just his starting point for negotiations. His team will say they will rein him in , in return for more favourable transit prices.
Like I said , the entertainment has started. His style is unique, bigger than unique, a most beautiful unique.
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Must agree he’s definitely entertaining ;D. He’s certainly going to stir things up some good some bad but that’s the same as they all do, although Trump operates on a bigger scale ::)
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Re Greenland, I expect a deal will be done with the Danish Govt for a nice big US military base there to keep an eye on the Arctic. :)
Although with Global Warming Climate Change maybe it will be possible to grow crops there again in the future as the Vikings did during the Medieval Warm Period, and the Orange One is just planning ahead? ??? ::) ;D
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Must agree he’s definitely entertaining ;D. He’s certainly going to stir things up some good some bad but that’s the same as they all do, although Trump operates on a bigger scale ::)
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I like him he's good for a laugh, a total lunatic but certainly entertaining.
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Re Greenland, I expect a deal will be done with the Danish Govt for a nice big US military base there to keep an eye on the Arctic. :)
Although with Global Warming Climate Change maybe it will be possible to grow crops there again in the future as the Vikings did during the Medieval Warm Period, and the Orange One is just planning ahead? ??? ::) ;D
For the future , there is a lot of mineral wealth as yet untapped.
So when Trump uses military force to take Greenland, NATO would trigger article 42.7 and come to the defence. The USA is a member of NATO and would be duty bound to come to the defence too. I guess Trump would divide his forces in two. Half on the attack and half for defence.
I agree though . A nice big military base or two on long leases and dropping punitive taxes for the EU oh and a pardon for Macron and Sarkozy and Starmer..
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Re Greenland, I expect a deal will be done with the Danish Govt for a nice big US military base there to keep an eye on the Arctic. :)
Although with Global Warming Climate Change maybe it will be possible to grow crops there again in the future as the Vikings did during the Medieval Warm Period, and the Orange One is just planning ahead? ??? ::) ;D
For the future , there is a lot of mineral wealth as yet untapped.
So when Trump uses military force to take Greenland, NATO would trigger article 42.7 and come to the defence. The USA is a member of NATO and would be duty bound to come to the defence too. I guess Trump would divide his forces in two. Half on the attack and half for defence.
I agree though . A nice big military base or two on long leases and dropping punitive taxes for the EU oh and a pardon for Macron and Sarkozy and Starmer..
There are already 3 or 4 very large US military bases on Greenland - there have been US bombers deployed there in the very recent past.
Article 42.7 is an EU thing, not NATO.
Article 5 is probably what you're thinking of wrt NATO. However, the agreement doesn't explicitly cover an attack by one member of NATO on another. Turkey and Greece are basically at war with each other.
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Trump is, as usual, confused.
Here are the explanations:
Panama - he has a thing for cheap and tacky hats***
Greenland - he thinks it's a source of burgers.
Gulf of America - he's expecting to go there for a round.
NATO members to pay 5% of GDP - has never read the paperwork, and never will.
Middle East - his appendix is grumbling.
Hope that helps :y
**** I know, and you know, that a proper Panama is neither cheap nor tacky, but you've seen how he dresses
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Pity these fkg idiots couldn’t get together and debate like us here with out threats and hostility (for the main) and work together with each other to sort things FFS.
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Another US leader one sarnie short of a picnic!
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Putin v Trump. Sane megalomaniac v insane megalomaniac.
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One as in many more to come! The entertainment has started.
Panama
Greenland
Gulf of America
NATO members to spend 5% of GDP
Middle East
Its just his style of negotiation. An opening salvo. Nothing to panic about, but the MSM will be foaming at the mouth.
It will always be amusing until he does something really stupid and dangerous, which is always going to be a possibility.
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For the record, the following was July 11,.2018. Let that sink in while you watch it.
https://youtu.be/Vpwkdmwui3k?si=Yc1VlhIH8fmusN3f
If NATO aren't prepared to up their commitment, then the US may well withdraw from it. Especially as the European members are trying to turn it into UTO.* This is not new news.
If the US does withdraw from it then Greenland would play a much more significant role in the defence of the US.
To Malcolm's point, the Aurora project operates from there and over the last few months things have been getting busy over there.
I fly to the West Coast alot and we used to regularly fly over Greenland, but recently we've always been well south of the tip even when flying to the Pacific Northwest.
Ultimately his role is to defend the interests of the US. He is actually more proactive about that than the outgoing adminitration.
Trump has an unorthodox way of presenting things, and the focus seems to be on the presentation of the proposals rather than the thought processes behind them which actually turn out to be well reasoned.
Protection of the Panama Canal would give trade controls over it, and whilst the UN may not be too impressed by the US controlling it, it would keep it protected from the Chinese.
There may well be war coming, but the threat isn't Russia or Trump.
*To this end, I strongly suspect that the US support of Ukraine will end quite swiftly and without the US Europe will be sitting ducks for Putin or the Chinese because we've effectively donated our military infrastructure to Ukraine.
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Personally, I think Trump has more to fear from his own people than any other country.
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Personally, I think Trump has more to fear from his own people than any other country.
Is it two or three times they've tried to kill him? ??? :-\
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Personally, I think Trump has more to fear from his own people than any other country.
That's what happens when scraping the bottom of a well-armed barrel.
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Trump has an unorthodox way of presenting things
True, hence the entertainment! ;D
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He was 'sentenced' to an unconditional discharge as 'punishment' for his felony conviction this afternoon. He said.....are you ready.....it was a 'very terrible experience'.
Shakespeare, eat you heart out. ;D
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He has a way with words..😂😂
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He has indeed. Very bigly in fact. ;D
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He was 'sentenced' to an unconditional discharge as 'punishment' for his felony conviction this afternoon. He said.....are you ready.....it was a 'very terrible experience'.
Shakespeare, eat you heart out. ;D
The first sentence, pun not intended,only serves to highlight how desperate the Leftists were to deny him a second term in office.
Something borne out by the fact that it wasn't simply dismissed but instead formally gets punished even if the punishment is essentially an acquittal.
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But he is still a felon. ;D
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Until he pardons himself. ;D
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But he is still a felon. ;D
Yep, a crook just like the rest of them👍
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But he is still a felon. ;D
Which is just ridiculous.
All it does is confirm that the judge was told to give a particular judgement and handed down the sentence that he felt best reflected the stupidity.
The only way he could have made more of a mockery of the hearing would have been to make it a suspended unconditional discharge.
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suspended unconditional discharge.
Is that another way of saying hanging? ;D
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suspended unconditional discharge.
Is that another way of saying hanging? ;D
Boom boom.
The whole situation is akin to being pulled over for a number plate light and getting charged with, and convicted for, death by dangerous driving because the brother of the girl you dumped when you were 9 was the person at the CPS that did your paperwork and whom the judge owed a favour to.
Said judge finds you guilty, because he's told to,.and then gives you a £0 fine and two days in prison offset by the two days you went to court because he knows the whole thing is total horseshit.
Unconditional discharge as a sentence means the prosecution couldn't prove their case, (because they didn't have one), and the defence couldn't prove innocence beyond reasonable doubt, (probably because they didn't have a legitimate case to defend).
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The entertainment continues.
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suspended unconditional discharge.
Is that another way of saying hanging? ;D
Boom boom.
The whole situation is akin to being pulled over for a number plate light and getting charged with, and convicted for, death by dangerous driving because the brother of the girl you dumped when you were 9 was the person at the CPS that did your paperwork and whom the judge owed a favour to.
Said judge finds you guilty, because he's told to,.and then gives you a £0 fine and two days in prison offset by the two days you went to court because he knows the whole thing is total horseshit.
Unconditional discharge as a sentence means the prosecution couldn't prove their case, (because they didn't have one), and the defence couldn't prove innocence beyond reasonable doubt, (probably because they didn't have a legitimate case to defend).
No. Unconditional discharge means there was absolutely no point in giving him the sentence he deserved, after being found guilty, because that sentence would never be served. If he hadn't won the election, he'd have got a proper sentence.
"Yeah, but that would have been a political decision......blah, blah" ::) ::)
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suspended unconditional discharge.
Is that another way of saying hanging? ;D
Boom boom.
The whole situation is akin to being pulled over for a number plate light and getting charged with, and convicted for, death by dangerous driving because the brother of the girl you dumped when you were 9 was the person at the CPS that did your paperwork and whom the judge owed a favour to.
Said judge finds you guilty, because he's told to,.and then gives you a £0 fine and two days in prison offset by the two days you went to court because he knows the whole thing is total horseshit.
Unconditional discharge as a sentence means the prosecution couldn't prove their case, (because they didn't have one), and the defence couldn't prove innocence beyond reasonable doubt, (probably because they didn't have a legitimate case to defend).
You are talking crap (again....). I suggest you check on what the 'unconditional discharge' actually means - in the US in particular, especially as you seem to try and portray you are the fount of all knowledge....
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You are talking crap (again....). I suggest you check on what the 'unconditional discharge' actually means - in the US in particular, especially as you seem to try and portray you are the fount of all knowledge....
I looked it up to save others the bother, ::) and yes, it was relative to the Trump case. :)
What is an “unconditional discharge”?
An unconditional discharge means “the case is over, the conviction stands, and no further conditions attach,” a U.S. attorney and law professor at the University of Michigan said. “That means no prison time, no fine, no community service, no probation, no nothing.”
If you think that’s wrong, message the US Attorney, not me. :y :)
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According to New York law, a court "may impose a sentence of unconditional discharge … if the court, having regard to the nature and circumstances of the offense and to the history, character and condition of the defendant, is of the opinion that neither the public interest nor the ends of justice would be served by a sentence of imprisonment and that probation supervision is not appropriate."
A unconditional discharge as a sentence is NOT that the prosection could not prove their case as DG stated...as he had already been convicted! ::)
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It's all academic, but the fact is he was tried and convicted. He is a felon, but I doubt it will matter one iota to anyone.
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Look we all know they’re all full of shit liars, that’s their good points, why the fk isn’t there someone around the age of 50 to sort this idiotic crap out FFS, fair play they have a population of over 360,000 people. It’s money, and corruption of course 👍 what else could it be? Answers on a postcard please🤣
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The point I was making all along was that it was a punishment in name only. If it were a legitimate prosecution to begin with then it would have had an actual punishment not a hypothetical one.
And to Steve's point, if it mattered to anyone, he wouldn't have been elected. So yes it's a moot point but if this sentence was always going to be the outcome, they may as well have not bothered in the first place.
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Yes indeed I agree, Trump was never going to be jailed, and they all fk knew it. It’s all part of the game😵💫🗿