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Title: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 January 2025, 08:04:58
Noticed in my web new feed there's an everywhere increasing amount of clickbaity headlines about 'tenfold' cat tax increases for drivers of petrol and diesel cars...

The reality?

If you drive a car over 76g/km and are currently paying £10 A YEAR, there's a good chance it will rise to £110.

Sure, in percentage terms that's a hefty increase, but the reality is that it's the price of two coffees a month. If you can't afford two coffees a month, the reality is that you already don't own a car.

The other increase is for more expensive EVs so I really wouldn't worry too much about it.
Title: Re: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 17 January 2025, 09:01:40
I believe a few years ago they talked of putting extra taxes on fuel and scrapping car tax.

So Pensioners for example who did a 3 mile round trip for a weekly shop would benefit, The reps who drive a 1000+ miles a week then pay more. All based I suppose a way of paying  only for the wear and and tear of the damage to the roads.

Downside is the haulage companies pay more then charge more and the costs are passed on for groceries, goods and other trades.

Pro's and con's each way, no matter what it would p/ss some people off
Title: Re: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 17 January 2025, 09:04:28
It was more about not getting all bent out of shape over BS headlines from a terrible excuse of journalism.
Title: Re: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 17 January 2025, 11:27:35
Currently close to £800 for my desirable classic. :-\

The little M240i is £600, consisting of £190 road tax and an additional £410 for the first 5 years government theft tax.

Title: Re: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: YZ250 on 17 January 2025, 11:29:29
https://www.everyvehiclelease.co.uk/blog/road-tax-rate-hikes-from-april-2025#:~:text=From%20April%201%2C%202025%2C%20zero,will%20increase%20to%20%C2%A3130.

The .gov site is next best thing to useless for the new car tax information so I’ve linked to a vehicle lease site that tries to explain it a bit better.

So, cars in the bands for CO2 emissions of 76 to 90 grams per kilometre and *above* will pay double the equivalent rates from 2024 to 2025, meaning that your average 1.5 TFSI Golf which is currently £135, will rise to £270. That sounds bad but when you consider that motor traders say that 7 out of 10 new EV’s sold are over £40K, those EV’s over £40K will now incur the additional £410 luxury car tax, in addition to the new standard EV tax, for the first 5 years.
As you say, it’s hardly a deterrent to offload our petrol or diesel cars is it.  ::)

* Higher CO2 emitting new vehicles will come in to their own super tax.  :o



Title: Re: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 17 January 2025, 11:39:20
https://www.everyvehiclelease.co.uk/blog/road-tax-rate-hikes-from-april-2025#:~:text=From%20April%201%2C%202025%2C%20zero,will%20increase%20to%20%C2%A3130.

The .gov site is next best thing to useless for the new car tax information so I’ve linked to a vehicle lease site that tries to explain it a bit better.

So, cars in the bands for CO2 emissions of 76 to 90 grams per kilometre and *above* will pay double the equivalent rates from 2024 to 2025, meaning that your average 1.5 TFSI Golf which is currently £135, will rise to £270. That sounds bad but when you consider that motor traders say that 7 out of 10 new EV’s sold are over £40K, those EV’s over £40K will now incur the additional £410 luxury car tax, in addition to the new standard EV tax, for the first 5 years.
As you say, it’s hardly a deterrent to offload our petrol or diesel cars is it.  ::)

* Higher CO2 emitting new vehicles will come in to their own super tax.  :o

Does this apply to EV that have already been registered but cost more than £40,000 used. Does the second owner continue to pay the £410 theft charge?
Title: Re: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: YZ250 on 17 January 2025, 11:40:52
Currently close to £800 for my desirable classic. :-\

Ouch.  :o

The little M240i is £600, consisting of £190 road tax and an additional £410 for the first 5 years government theft tax.

Worth every penny.  :y
Title: Re: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: YZ250 on 17 January 2025, 11:50:00
https://www.everyvehiclelease.co.uk/blog/road-tax-rate-hikes-from-april-2025#:~:text=From%20April%201%2C%202025%2C%20zero,will%20increase%20to%20%C2%A3130.

The .gov site is next best thing to useless for the new car tax information so I’ve linked to a vehicle lease site that tries to explain it a bit better.

So, cars in the bands for CO2 emissions of 76 to 90 grams per kilometre and *above* will pay double the equivalent rates from 2024 to 2025, meaning that your average 1.5 TFSI Golf which is currently £135, will rise to £270. That sounds bad but when you consider that motor traders say that 7 out of 10 new EV’s sold are over £40K, those EV’s over £40K will now incur the additional £410 luxury car tax, in addition to the new standard EV tax, for the first 5 years.
As you say, it’s hardly a deterrent to offload our petrol or diesel cars is it.  ::)

* Higher CO2 emitting new vehicles will come in to their own super tax.  :o

Does this apply to EV that have already been registered but cost more than £40,000 used. Does the second owner continue to pay the £410 theft charge?

It’s an additional £410 for the first 5 years if the retail price was over £40K, regardless of how many changes of ownership within that 5 years. So, after 1st April, if the EV cost the original owner £40K+ , the second and third owner will still pay the additional £410 theft tax until the 5 years is up, regardless of the fact that they may have paid £15K for it second hand.  :y
Title: Re: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: STEMO on 17 January 2025, 12:03:22
This one is pretty clear too:

https://www.motorpoint.co.uk/guides/road-tax-bands-explained
Title: Re: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: ronnyd on 17 January 2025, 15:14:05
Noticed in my web new feed there's an everywhere increasing amount of clickbaity headlines about 'tenfold' cat tax increases for drivers of petrol and diesel cars...

The reality?

If you drive a car over 76g/km and are currently paying £10 A YEAR, there's a good chance it will rise to £110.

Sure, in percentage terms that's a hefty increase, but the reality is that it's the price of two coffees a month. If you can't afford two coffees a month, the reality is that you already don't own a car.

The other increase is for more expensive EVs so I really wouldn't worry too much about it.
Sod that, my cat can buy his own food if that's the case.  ;D
Title: Re: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: TheBoy on 17 January 2025, 15:19:58
I believe a few years ago they talked of putting extra taxes on fuel and scrapping car tax.

So Pensioners for example who did a 3 mile round trip for a weekly shop would benefit, The reps who drive a 1000+ miles a week then pay more. All based I suppose a way of paying  only for the wear and and tear of the damage to the roads.

Downside is the haulage companies pay more then charge more and the costs are passed on for groceries, goods and other trades.

Pro's and con's each way, no matter what it would p/ss some people off
I'm sure Racheal from accounts will find a way to do both.
Title: Re: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: VXL V6 on 17 January 2025, 15:21:45
Noticed in my web new feed there's an everywhere increasing amount of clickbaity headlines about 'tenfold' cat tax increases for drivers of petrol and diesel cars...

The reality?

If you drive a car over 76g/km and are currently paying £10 A YEAR, there's a good chance it will rise to £110.

Sure, in percentage terms that's a hefty increase, but the reality is that it's the price of two coffees a month. If you can't afford two coffees a month, the reality is that you already don't own a car.

The other increase is for more expensive EVs so I really wouldn't worry too much about it.
Sod that, my cat can buy his own food if that's the case.  ;D
;D
Title: Re: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: TheBoy on 17 January 2025, 15:25:31
I think all the clickbait is on brand spanker new cars.

As far as I can ascertain, her dirty diesel will remain £0 ? And mine £335 (184g/km) ?
Title: Re: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 17 January 2025, 16:00:22
I am still amazed that my 2003 3.2 Omega is exempt from the London ULEZ charge :o :o :o :D ;)

So I hope that it will still be treated lightly for any road tax rises. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: YZ250 on 17 January 2025, 17:47:48
I am still amazed that my 2003 3.2 Omega is exempt from the London ULEZ charge :o :o :o :D ;)

So I hope that it will still be treated lightly for any road tax rises. ::) ::)

For some strange reason my 3.2 Elite came up as Duel Fuel whenever I ordered parts for it from a main dealer. It wasn’t LPG so not sure how that came about.  :-\
Title: Re: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 23 January 2025, 17:07:16
Well, no big car tax scare here!

A letter from the DVLA today confirms that for my Omega 3.2 my vehicle tax has gone up..........................................from £34.56 per month (£415.72 PA) to....................£36.31 per month (£435.75 PA).  I am glad I didn't lose sleep worrying about just £20!!!! ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Car Tax Scaremongering
Post by: Rangie on 23 January 2025, 17:26:45
Well, no big car tax scare here!

A letter from the DVLA today confirms that for my Omega 3.2 my vehicle tax has gone up..........................................from £34.56 per month (£415.72 PA) to....................£36.31 per month (£435.75 PA).  I am glad I didn't lose sleep worrying about just £20!!!! ;D ;D ;)
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Yes that's great , approximately 5 percent that's what I read it as on one of the motoring pages , it's the new cars that a facing massive increases, my Range Rover will increase by around £33 & the Toyota by about £10.