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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Rangie on 04 September 2025, 19:39:53
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Seem to have been hit by the same problem that cost M&S millions a few months back, no vehicles produced for several days apparently & dealerships unable to register vehicles that are in stock.
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Yeh, not entirely true, the dealers can register cars (as that is done via the DVLA) and PDI the cars (Topix is all working) and some systems are down, but we are far from stopped.
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Still disruption for JLR , apparently affecting a lot of people financially, who on earth is behind all this ?
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Chinks, Ruskies ? :-\
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Chinks, Ruskies ? :-\
No. Three groups made up of UK and US teenagers who are having a right laugh.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=the+three+groups+who+have+targetted+jlr&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari
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So if JLR make about a 1000 cars a week, what support is there for supply companies having to lay off staff? Or do they just pay staff to do no or less work? I thought everything now is “ Just in time” supply?
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So if JLR make about a 1000 cars a week, what support is there for supply companies having to lay off staff? Or do they just pay staff to do no or less work? I thought everything now is “ Just in time” supply?
Easy. Hack in and cancel the entire order of something critical like the main body harness and production stops the second the last one on stock gets used. You can't fit anything to the shell untill that's done. Do similar to a piece of the inner structure and you can't even build the shell.
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So if JLR make about a 1000 cars a week, what support is there for supply companies having to lay off staff? Or do they just pay staff to do no or less work? I thought everything now is “ Just in time” supply?
Easy. Hack in and cancel the entire order of something critical like the main body harness and production stops the second the last one on stock gets used. You can't fit anything to the shell untill that's done. Do similar to a piece of the inner structure and you can't even build the shell.
A good answer, but not to that question ;D
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So if JLR make about a 1000 cars a week, what support is there for supply companies having to lay off staff? Or do they just pay staff to do no or less work? I thought everything now is “ Just in time” supply?
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Not completely sure but I think that government aid is being asked for due to the mounting financial hardship that's been forced upon workers related to the JLR situation.
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So if JLR make about a 1000 cars a week, what support is there for supply companies having to lay off staff? Or do they just pay staff to do no or less work? I thought everything now is “ Just in time” supply?
Easy. Hack in and cancel the entire order of something critical like the main body harness and production stops the second the last one on stock gets used. You can't fit anything to the shell untill that's done. Do similar to a piece of the inner structure and you can't even build the shell.
A good answer, but not to that question ;D
Perhaps, but they were already being paid to do nothing.
Every employee on the books has a tax benefit to the company so either they're making so much money elsewhere that they need the write off, or their so deep in shit that they are simply riding the gravy train until the wheels fall off.
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So if JLR make about a 1000 cars a week, what support is there for supply companies having to lay off staff? Or do they just pay staff to do no or less work? I thought everything now is “ Just in time” supply?
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Not completely sure but I think that government tax payer aid is being asked for due to the mounting financial hardship that's been forced upon workers related to the JLR situation.
Fixed that for you Mick. :)
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So if JLR make about a 1000 cars a week, what support is there for supply companies having to lay off staff? Or do they just pay staff to do no or less work? I thought everything now is “ Just in time” supply?
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Not completely sure but I think that government tax payer aid is being asked for due to the mounting financial hardship that's been forced upon workers related to the JLR situation.
Fixed that for you Mick. :)
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For once I don't mind, their earnings have been affected by idiots who have nothing better to do than interfere with folks who are trying to earn an honest living, I'd sooner my tax being used for them than these scroungers turning up in dinghys.
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So if JLR make about a 1000 cars a week, what support is there for supply companies having to lay off staff? Or do they just pay staff to do no or less work? I thought everything now is “ Just in time” supply?
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Not completely sure but I think that government tax payer aid is being asked for due to the mounting financial hardship that's been forced upon workers related to the JLR situation.
Fixed that for you Mick. :)
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For once I don't mind, their earnings have been affected by idiots who have nothing better to do than interfere with folks who are trying to earn an honest living, I'd sooner my tax being used for them than these scroungers turning up in dinghys.
Fair enough. I just get a bit of a bee in my bonnet when people say government money or funding etc. It's tax payers money! :)
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So if JLR make about a 1000 cars a week, what support is there for supply companies having to lay off staff? Or do they just pay staff to do no or less work? I thought everything now is “ Just in time” supply?
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Not completely sure but I think that government aid is being asked for due to the mounting financial hardship that's been forced upon workers related to the JLR situation.
I’ve read similar, that the supply chain companies are appealing to the government for a furlough type agreement to help those on low or zero wages due to the JLR issues. :-\
But then MSM are usually full of shite, so who knows. ::)
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Not completely sure but I think that government aid is being asked for due to the mounting financial hardship that's been forced upon workers related to the JLR situation.
I’ve read similar, that the supply chain companies are appealing to the government for a furlough type agreement to help those on low or zero wages due to the JLR issues. :-\
But then MSM are usually full of shite, so who knows. ::)
Hmm, according to Queer Starmers spokesperson, no such talks regarding this will be taking place. :-\
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I would not expect the tax payer to bail out small companies who are suppliers to JLR. Nor would I expect them to bail out JLR, despite their size.
In the same way, I wouldn't expect the tax payer to bail out M&S, Harrods, Co-op and the hundreds of others that the media haven't bothered with this year.
Companies need to understand that they need to secure their systems - harder in the world of serverless computing/cloud that has been sold to companies as the holy grail, but actually makes matters worse - and provide sufficient funding to replace ageing systems which run unsupported hardware/OS/software.
From what I've gleaned from the IT press, JLR actually initially did a bloody good job of containing it once noticed, by taking immediate, decisive action to turn it all off. That absolutely is the best way to deal with such intrusions.
Their issues now are scanning the logs and filesystems of every image for signs of tampering, and being able to bring the stuff back up in the correct order with the correct process - harder said than done when dealing with legacy stuff where those that knew how it worked have long gone. Additionally, forensics need to ascertain where they initially got in, and how far they got.
Another problem they will have is, given their owner, I suspect their IT is done by TCS, who are on par with Accenture for being bad at such things.
I'd be surprised if they get things back to near normal by next month.
Its an old stat now, but it was once surveyed that 80 percent of businesses that suffered a cyber attack would last more than 2 years. That, added to the high profile attacks this year needs to be a wake up call for companies to spend more time securing systems, and having a process in place for what to do when it happens. I'd opine that JLR had a great prcoess for the latter, but clearly piss poor on the former.
M&S is believed to be an Active Directory (an MS technology for a directory of users, computers, policies and so on) hack, where the crocks managed to get a (presumably backup) copy of the AD. Co-op's initial entry appeared to be social engineering via a series of Teams calls. JLR haven't released enough info yet, but again potentially looking towards AD and/or Entra (MS Azure version of on prem AD)...
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They only get paid for orders that they fulfill. And a company the size of JLR probably has 180 day credit terms.
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And a company the size of JLR probably has 180 day credit terms.
I suspect they don't. I suspect with their larger suppliers, it will be a maximum of 60 days, but most suppliers might be 30 days from shipping to PO payment...
Its possible some very larger suppliers, particularly if shipping form far east, might actually send goods for JLR (or a local logistics firm) to store in a midland warehouse, and then pay as they use them, due to nature of JIT and logistics of getting stuff moved around the seas, particularly with the Gulf of Aden and Horn of Africa being a bit no-go...
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Even 60 days is long enough to bankrupt a small business with one large customer.
As for shipping bits halfway around the globe, well, that's always been a fools errand. If every component was made in Europe they wouldn't have half the problem.
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Even 60 days is long enough to bankrupt a small business with one large customer.
As for shipping bits halfway around the globe, well, that's always been a fools errand. If every component was made in Europe they wouldn't have half the problem.
As said, and going by experience, smaller companies will like be on a 30d payment contract.
As for shipping stage halfway around the world, Europe lacks the capability, nor does the US, as Trump is beginning to discover.
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The last bit was a pop at something that was obvious 30 years ago at school.
Just because that's how it is, it doesn't make it right.
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Even 60 days is long enough to bankrupt a small business with one large customer.
As for shipping bits halfway around the globe, well, that's always been a fools errand. If every component was made in Europe they wouldn't have half the problem.
You stick to pushing trucks down an isle ;D
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Even 60 days is long enough to bankrupt a small business with one large customer.
As for shipping bits halfway around the globe, well, that's always been a fools errand. If every component was made in Europe they wouldn't have half the problem.
As said, and going by experience, smaller companies will like be on a 30d payment contract.
As for shipping stage halfway around the world, Europe lacks the capability, nor does the US, as Trump is beginning to discover.
There is a mix, some parts are made in europe and others the far east, it is pretty much dependent on who the tier 1 is.
We also have differing models for shipment, clearly you can air freight very quickly (rare), rail shipment (more common than you would think!) and sea freight.
Pretty much all of my suppliers have warehouses in the midlands where the overseas stock arrives to, some then have an out of box audit (particularly those with internal batteries) before they get collected for transport to the factories as part of the milk round.