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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: STEMO on 06 November 2025, 16:05:40
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This will go down well
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/e1260a536665a425
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All that will happen is majority of high mileage users will seek odometer corrections :-X
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Which means that if it's only £250, then they are still being £350 in pocket compared with ICE drivers,
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Quite right too! :y
I don't see why these smug greenies should swan about for nothing. ;D
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Which means that if it's only £250, then they are still being £350 in pocket compared with ICE drivers,
20,000 miles per annum will cost you £600
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Which means that if it's only £250, then they are still being £350 in pocket compared with ICE drivers,
20,000 miles per annum will cost you £600
Who's going to admit to doing 20,000 miles though if it's down to the drivers to estimate their mileage? ???
The Government will soon discover that most EV's are just runabouts doing two or three thousand miles a year. ::) ;D
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Which means that if it's only £250, then they are still being £350 in pocket compared with ICE drivers,
20,000 miles per annum will cost you £600
Who's going to admit to doing 20,000 miles though if it's down to the drivers to estimate their mileage? ???
The Government will soon discover that most EV's are just runabouts doing two or three thousand miles a year. ::) ;D
I'm pretty sure it won't take them long to figure it out. But it's something that will never affect me. :)
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They can monitor "Genuine" mileage through the MOT.
Down side means they wont know the details for the 1st 3 years. So they will simply just relay on drivers honestly. ::)
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They can monitor "Genuine" mileage through the MOT.
Down side means they wont know the details for the 1st 3 years. So they will simply just relay on drivers honestly. ::)
They've got until 2028 to figure out a way to ensure honesty doesn't come into it.
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They can monitor "Genuine" mileage through the MOT.
Down side means they wont know the details for the 1st 3 years. So they will simply just relay on drivers honestly. ::)
I suspect that this what will happen at some point. Shortly after your MOT you'll get your tax bill in the post. ::)
Or more likely the tax you owe will pop up on your Digital Starmercard ID account and the cash will be taken automatically from your bank account. No ifs. No buts.
And if you haven't got the cash in your bank your EV will be remotely disabled until you can pony up, along with a deposit for next year. Plus interest of course. ::)
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They can monitor "Genuine" mileage through the MOT.
Down side means they wont know the details for the 1st 3 years. So they will simply just relay on drivers honestly. ::)
All new cars are connected, so they might mandate it updates the mileage every month/3 months whatever. Obviously that brings privacy concerns, so it'll all get delayed a decade, and you've tanked EV sales even further....
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Regardless of this particular policy, I'm amazed that this government really cannot see the link between taxation and (dis)incentivising people to do things.
We have a productivity failing in this country, so we need people to work more. Government solution: increase tax on work and increase benefits for those that don't work.
Want more people to drive EVs. Great, let's increase the tax on them. ::)
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I applaud this policy, and I know how to disconnect the odometer on all my cars :-)
The Govt currently raises £25bn per year from petrol and diesel taxes. If (say) 50% of cars are electric or plug in hybrid by 2030 then that's a loss of £12Bn to the treasury. By 2040 it'll be closer to the full £25Bn since the only ones still using dinosaur juice will be those of us still driving classic cars. Something has to be done to plug that gap in funding. We may or may not like whatever they propose, but at least they have realised there is a looming issue, and are thinking about how to deal with it.
An interesting point has been raised on the skiing forums. Dover to the Alps and back is (roughly) 1200 miles, depending on destination. At 3p/mile thats £36. All those miles will show on your odometer, none of them are in the UK, but are you still going to get charged by HMRC?
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I applaud this policy, and I know how to disconnect the odometer on all my cars :-)
The Govt currently raises £25bn per year from petrol and diesel taxes. If (say) 50% of cars are electric or plug in hybrid by 2030 then that's a loss of £12Bn to the treasury. By 2040 it'll be closer to the full £25Bn since the only ones still using dinosaur juice will be those of us still driving classic cars. Something has to be done to plug that gap in funding. We may or may not like whatever they propose, but at least they have realised there is a looming issue, and are thinking about how to deal with it.
An interesting point has been raised on the skiing forums. Dover to the Alps and back is (roughly) 1200 miles, depending on destination. At 3p/mile thats £36. All those miles will show on your odometer, none of them are in the UK, but are you still going to get charged by HMRC?
That will be one of the intricacies of the 3000 page report which will be needed prior to implementation.
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Reeves and co say Labour has 'fairness' at the heart of every policy.
People pay a huge amount of tax on every gallon of petrol.....so surely milk float owners should also suffer. >:D
Of course, she could 'level the playing field' by removing most of the tax on petrol and derv, but that will never happen.
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Regardless of this particular policy, I'm amazed that this government really cannot see the link between taxation and (dis)incentivising people to do things.
We have a productivity failing in this country, so we need people to work more. Government solution: increase tax on work and increase benefits for those that don't work.
Want more people to drive EVs. Great, let's increase the tax on them. ::)
The government say.......We want people to go electric so there will be no road tax to pay. :y
The government say.....We want people to go electric much sooner, so we've decided to apply road tax and pay per mile.
Insanity.
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One good thing....
Instead of paying 40% of list price for a new mil float.....we'll probably only have to pay 30%
Thanks Rachel. :-* :-* :-* But you are out of your depth, and out of your mind.
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I applaud this policy, and I know how to disconnect the odometer on all my cars :-)
The Govt currently raises £25bn per year from petrol and diesel taxes. If (say) 50% of cars are electric or plug in hybrid by 2030 then that's a loss of £12Bn to the treasury. By 2040 it'll be closer to the full £25Bn since the only ones still using dinosaur juice will be those of us still driving classic cars. Something has to be done to plug that gap in funding. We may or may not like whatever they propose, but at least they have realised there is a looming issue, and are thinking about how to deal with it.
An interesting point has been raised on the skiing forums. Dover to the Alps and back is (roughly) 1200 miles, depending on destination. At 3p/mile thats £36. All those miles will show on your odometer, none of them are in the UK, but are you still going to get charged by HMRC?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/b68c0106c7fa7283
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There is an element of Deja vu with this. We were all told diesels were the way forward. Now we are taxed and in some cities banned from using them.
I am so glad not to have gone EV. Maybe RR could negotiate a rebate from EU countries for miles completed abroad!
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Apparently Little Genghis Khan is also going to charge EV,s the congestion charge from next year too.
Blows apart the lie that it is there to reduce pollution rather than a money making scheme.
Wont affect him though. He is Chauffeur driven around London in an armour plated Range Rover which is said to weigh over three tons.
He says he needs this for his own security.
Boris the Buffoon used to ride around London on his bike when he was Mayor. ::)
Personally Im all for them having to pay VED. They tend to be much heavier than ICE cars so cause more wear & tear on the roads, so if anything should pay more.
It was obvious it would happen at some point. When almost all vehicles are electric, the Govt. (of any colour) were never going to just let the £ billions from VED just disappear.
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Apparently Little Genghis Khan is also going to charge EV,s the congestion charge from next year too.
Blows apart the lie that it is there to reduce pollution rather than a money making scheme.
Wont affect him though. He is Chauffeur driven around London in an armour plated Range Rover which is said to weigh over three tons.
He says he needs this for his own security.
Boris the Buffoon used to ride around London on his bike when he was Mayor. ::)
Personally Im all for them having to pay VED. They tend to be much heavier than ICE cars so cause more wear & tear on the roads, so if anything should pay more.
It was obvious it would happen at some point. When almost all vehicles are electric, the Govt. (of any colour) were never going to just let the £ billions from VED just disappear.
They can only be sold with huge reductions on list price.....and that was with no VED, future pay per mile, and Khan tax.
Sales will drop even further now. >:D......but at least we'll be able to buy one for buttons. :y
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If my little Shitroen C1 goes bang within the next couple of years or so, I may buy a cheap used EV for commuting.
I can charge for free at work, so it might be worthwhile.
Im planning on working for just under four more years, so we shall see how much longer the little C1 stands up to the abuse.
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If my little Shitroen C1 goes bang within the next couple of years or so, I may buy a cheap used EV for commuting.
I can charge for free at work, so it might be worthwhile.
Im planning on working for just under four more years, so we shall see how much longer the little C1 stands up to the abuse.
Well.....stop abusing it and it will last longer.
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They can only be sold with huge reductions on list price.....and that was with no VED, future pay per mile, and Khan tax.
Sales will drop even further now. >:D......but at least we'll be able to buy one for buttons. :y
This is the upside for me.
In reality, the additional tax doesn't tip the cost argument back to ICE vehicles. Despite being a fat SUV, the iX costs us around 3.5p per mile to fuel, so even adding on a ved charge of 3p still makes the per mile cost the same as a diesel that can average 100mpg, which obviously doesn't exist and certainly not in the form of a big, comfy 5 seater barge. Maintenance is also a lot cheaper than for an equivalent ICE car.
Also, I'm not sure I buy the 'EV's are heavier so they wear out the roads' argument as, presumably those same cars should be wearing their tyres quicker too? In my case my car is still on its original boots having done 38,000 miles, and they aren't anywhere near the wear bars. It also weighs almost exactly the same as a diesel X5 :-\
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Oh, and I wouldn't bet against a 5-10p fuel duty rise either >:D
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Oh, and I wouldn't bet against a 5-10p fuel duty rise either >:D
Yep...
But I also doubt the 3p a mile for milk floats will remain at that level for long.
20p a mile sounds much better to a socialist government.....plus a yearly rise in VED and Khan tax. ::)
We are all fooked. ;)