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Title: What Broadband?
Post by: Vamps on 22 September 2008, 21:09:35
Had BT on the phone today asking If I was going to renew my Boradband, after offering me some things that I did not want or need. I said probably not, she said by and hung up, never even tried to get me to change my mind.

Reason for this is that there seem to be so many other deals around, and I am sure Carphone Wharehouse said that they do something, and that you did not have to pay BT their line rental.

Want wireless, and all we do is browse around, nothing heavy, the boys download some music and that is about it.

What happens about email address, and things like oof that recognise me, is this all easily changed. ::)

Any ideas on who, we live in a village and up load and download speed are not brilliant and no cable and we can not get BT Vision.
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 22 September 2008, 21:27:03
Will be in the same situation as I move in the new year.

Am with Plus net at the mo on thier old Premium service costing £21 before discounts,  but could max the bandwidth before the fair user policy came in.

I am not limited in the way that other users are so still max the bandwith at times.  Current speed is 6.5mb

Have considered the sky package as I move, rural area maybe upto 4.5 mb and as yet am not aware of limits.  but am against 3rd party companies having access to my phone bill as they are doing it for research.  The phone is free and the net is £5 for a limited service and an extra £5 for unlimited.

I never use the ISP email so that does not concern me, the OOF wont be a problem I dont think,

So for me it's quality od service and supoort, both of which have been good with Plus net.

Need reliability for VOIP and not bothered about going wireless.

So no real rush at the mo for me.

Check out www.adslguide.org  it may take you to annother site but they have plenty of info on ISP and charges on a chart.  :y
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2008, 21:31:31
how the hell do people max FUP/AUPs?

Saying that, I have a 100G download (uploads not counted) on one line, and true unlimited on other...
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 22 September 2008, 21:33:43
Can't get Vision BTs USP is out.

So avoid BT, Carphone Warehouse, Virgin unless you want to be tracked

Zen is supposed to be good
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2008, 21:36:30
Ultimately, they can all be crap if you have poor connection to exchange...  ...of if exchange is overloaded.

Beyond that, ISP choice makes a huge difference....
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 22 September 2008, 21:39:16
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how the hell do people max FUP/AUPs?

Saying that, I have a 100G download (uploads not counted) on one line, and true unlimited on other...

So glad you IT people know what all these abbreviations stand for,  sadly I admit to being as thick as pig poo coz I dont have a clue on most of the the stuff you all talk about  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Vamps on 22 September 2008, 21:39:43
What do you mean ISP choice? :-[
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2008, 21:40:25
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how the hell do people max FUP/AUPs?

Saying that, I have a 100G download (uploads not counted) on one line, and true unlimited on other...

So glad you IT people know what all these abbreviations stand for,  sadly I admit to being as thick as pig poo coz I dont have a clue on most of the the stuff you all talk about  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
Fair Use policy or Acceptable Use policy
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2008, 21:40:45
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What do you mean ISP choice? :-[
Which ISP you choose....
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 22 September 2008, 21:41:39
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how the hell do people max FUP/AUPs?

Saying that, I have a 100G download (uploads not counted) on one line, and true unlimited on other...

So glad you IT people know what all these abbreviations stand for,  sadly I admit to being as thick as pig poo coz I dont have a clue on most of the the stuff you all talk about  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
Fair Use policy or Acceptable Use policy
 lol  silly me

and "No Comment" other than it's all legal. ::) :-/ :-X :y
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: jimmas on 22 September 2008, 21:45:55
I changed to fast.co.uk earlier this year not the cheapest, but consistant service and no over seas call centre, best move I made  :y
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: ians on 22 September 2008, 21:49:31
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Can't get Vision BTs USP is out.

So avoid BT, Carphone Warehouse, Virgin unless you want to be tracked
Zen is supposed to be good

What do you mean by tracked Martin?
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Bandit127 on 22 September 2008, 21:52:19
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how the hell do people max FUP/AUPs?

Saying that, I have a 100G download (uploads not counted) on one line, and true unlimited on other...
Just dropped from 10 meg to 2 on Virgin cable. 750mb gets me capped now, piece of cake if I'm mucking about with the website or doing a new install.

Having used both, I would definately go for cable over ADSL if it is an option. Very stable and the contention ratio is only 20:1 instead of 50:1

The price to pay is Virgin's customer service.  >:(

Still, at least the poxy proxies have gone  :y
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Vamps on 22 September 2008, 21:53:09
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What do you mean ISP choice? :-[
Which ISP you choose....

Is that 'Internet Service Provider'  that is what I am asking advice about.
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 22 September 2008, 21:57:16
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how the hell do people max FUP/AUPs?

Saying that, I have a 100G download (uploads not counted) on one line, and true unlimited on other...

So glad you IT people know what all these abbreviations stand for,  sadly I admit to being as thick as pig poo coz I dont have a clue on most of the the stuff you all talk about  :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/
Fair Use policy or Acceptable Use policy

1st week in September.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Peak usage:                 Off-peak usage:                 Total usage:        
        7.4GB               241.88GB               249.28GB

Spent a lot of time on youtube :y :y :y :y :y
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: ians on 22 September 2008, 21:57:21
might be worth asking around in your village as local connection could be significant..
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2008, 22:05:49
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how the hell do people max FUP/AUPs?

Saying that, I have a 100G download (uploads not counted) on one line, and true unlimited on other...
Just dropped from 10 meg to 2 on Virgin cable. 750mb gets me capped now, piece of cake if I'm mucking about with the website or doing a new install.

Having used both, I would definately go for cable over ADSL if it is an option. Very stable and the contention ratio is only 20:1 instead of 50:1

The price to pay is Virgin's customer service.  >:(

Still, at least the poxy proxies have gone  :y
ADSL contention ratios are no longer specified at IP STream level.

In my experience, cable is rubbish, partly due to the constant broadcasts, mostly due to the ISPs.
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 22 September 2008, 22:05:56
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Can't get Vision BTs USP is out.

So avoid BT, Carphone Warehouse, Virgin unless you want to be tracked
Zen is supposed to be good

What do you mean by tracked Martin?

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article3576567.ece

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7299875.stm

http://www.openrightsgroup.org/2008/03/12/the-phorm-storm/

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/222663/is-phorm-really-that-bad.html

Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2008, 22:06:39
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Can't get Vision BTs USP is out.

So avoid BT, Carphone Warehouse, Virgin unless you want to be tracked
Zen is supposed to be good

What do you mean by tracked Martin?
Martin Imber has a bee in his bonnet over Phorn, an ad service operated at the ISP level
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 22 September 2008, 22:09:59
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Can't get Vision BTs USP is out.

So avoid BT, Carphone Warehouse, Virgin unless you want to be tracked
Zen is supposed to be good

What do you mean by tracked Martin?
Martin Imber has a bee in his bonnet over Phorn, an ad service operated at the ISP level


I'm not the only one, the only reason it isn't banned is due to the government wanting a back door into everyones browsing history.

Where shared logins are used if someone say surfed porn, even if they cleaned up afterwards with internet history and cookies ect the ad server could decide the child using it next wants to buy porn.

(used porn as an extreme example)
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2008, 22:12:19
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Can't get Vision BTs USP is out.

So avoid BT, Carphone Warehouse, Virgin unless you want to be tracked
Zen is supposed to be good

What do you mean by tracked Martin?
Martin Imber has a bee in his bonnet over Phorn, an ad service operated at the ISP level


I'm not the only one, the only reason it isn't banned is due to the government wanting a back door into everyones browsing history.

Where shared logins are used if someone say surfed porn, even if they cleaned up afterwards with internet history and cookies ect the ad server could decide the child using it next wants to buy porn.

(used porn as an extreme example)
You'd be surprised what ISPs record, ignoring ad tracking for a mo  :-X
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 22 September 2008, 22:12:47
It is just I think people should be private as they like, I don't want my DNA on a database, I don't want an ID card, I don't want my post sorted through, I don't want my internet use sorted through and I don't want adverts for watches thrown my way based on keywords from my browsing.

But then I do use real name for some forums, just have, saves trying to think of an alias, but it is with my terms.
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 22 September 2008, 22:15:11
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Can't get Vision BTs USP is out.

So avoid BT, Carphone Warehouse, Virgin unless you want to be tracked
Zen is supposed to be good

What do you mean by tracked Martin?
Martin Imber has a bee in his bonnet over Phorn, an ad service operated at the ISP level


I'm not the only one, the only reason it isn't banned is due to the government wanting a back door into everyones browsing history.

Where shared logins are used if someone say surfed porn, even if they cleaned up afterwards with internet history and cookies ect the ad server could decide the child using it next wants to buy porn.

(used porn as an extreme example)
You'd be surprised what ISPs record, ignoring ad tracking for a mo  :-X


I wouldn't - I expect they know every site I have visited, and I know that the info can be used by law enforment agencies.

I also know there are ways around this, but I would only use them for something embarrasing
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 22 September 2008, 22:15:20
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You'd be surprised what ISPs record, ignoring ad tracking for a mo

Nothing would surprise me, I have often spoke on the phone to the support and they have said something, then when questioned they soon backtrack.
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2008, 22:16:02
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It is just I think people should be private as they like, I don't want my DNA on a database, I don't want an ID card, I don't want my post sorted through, I don't want my internet use sorted through and I don't want adverts for watches thrown my way based on keywords from my browsing.

But then I do use real name for some forums, just have, saves trying to think of an alias, but it is with my terms.
Your ISP already collects a whole heap of info, as they are required to do so by law.
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Bandit127 on 22 September 2008, 22:21:23
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how the hell do people max FUP/AUPs?

Saying that, I have a 100G download (uploads not counted) on one line, and true unlimited on other...
Just dropped from 10 meg to 2 on Virgin cable. 750mb gets me capped now, piece of cake if I'm mucking about with the website or doing a new install.

Having used both, I would definately go for cable over ADSL if it is an option. Very stable and the contention ratio is only 20:1 instead of 50:1

The price to pay is Virgin's customer service.  >:(

Still, at least the poxy proxies have gone  :y
ADSL contention ratios are no longer specified at IP STream level.

In my experience, cable is rubbish, partly due to the constant broadcasts, mostly due to the ISPs.

It still beats the cr*p out of Wanadoo and Tiscali.

Who is good then TB - on prices that us mortals can cope with?
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2008, 22:26:57
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Can't get Vision BTs USP is out.

So avoid BT, Carphone Warehouse, Virgin unless you want to be tracked
Zen is supposed to be good

What do you mean by tracked Martin?
Martin Imber has a bee in his bonnet over Phorn, an ad service operated at the ISP level


I'm not the only one, the only reason it isn't banned is due to the government wanting a back door into everyones browsing history.

Where shared logins are used if someone say surfed porn, even if they cleaned up afterwards with internet history and cookies ect the ad server could decide the child using it next wants to buy porn.

(used porn as an extreme example)
You'd be surprised what ISPs record, ignoring ad tracking for a mo  :-X


I wouldn't - I expect they know every site I have visited, and I know that the info can be used by law enforment agencies.

I also know there are ways around this, but I would only use them for something embarrasing
Depends exactly which bits you are talking about.  Some cannot be bypassed...

Additionally, think of what websites collect about you. We (OOF) don't actively collect info, but I can tell you a fair amount about your system, such as OS, browser, service packs (indirectly, likely vulnerabilities).  With a small number of mods, we could collect more in depth info about your system, including username.  Seeing as many XP users don't use a password, and make themselves Admins, we have the info to get into your system to play silly buggers.

Be more worried about where you visit, rather than what your ISP collects (unless its illegal, as ISPs are more tied to authorities).


Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Vamps on 22 September 2008, 22:31:43
So, do I just stick with BT then? ::)
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2008, 22:33:48
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how the hell do people max FUP/AUPs?

Saying that, I have a 100G download (uploads not counted) on one line, and true unlimited on other...
Just dropped from 10 meg to 2 on Virgin cable. 750mb gets me capped now, piece of cake if I'm mucking about with the website or doing a new install.

Having used both, I would definately go for cable over ADSL if it is an option. Very stable and the contention ratio is only 20:1 instead of 50:1

The price to pay is Virgin's customer service.  >:(

Still, at least the poxy proxies have gone  :y
ADSL contention ratios are no longer specified at IP STream level.

In my experience, cable is rubbish, partly due to the constant broadcasts, mostly due to the ISPs.

It still beats the cr*p out of Wanadoo and Tiscali.

Who is good then TB - on prices that us mortals can cope with?
Wanadoo are now Orange - you're goign back a bit if you were with Wanadoo.  Tiscali normally ain't that bad at a technical level, just the CS is poor.

You need to chose an ISP that suits your best, different ISPs suit different users better.  For example, Zen Internet matches my needs, and runs OOF pretty well - how many other fairly busy forums can claim to run off a ADSL line?


If you want to hammer the torrent sites non stop, no consumer level broadband is going to be ideal - get a decent leased line in for that (and pay the costs!).  Most ISPs will shape p2p traffic or limit you, seeing as a maxed out 24/7 MaxDSL line will cost the ISP around £2.2 - £3k per month for that one user in Central and transit costs. Hardly a sensible business plan to sell for £20 per month ;)

Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: HerefordElite on 22 September 2008, 22:47:20
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how the hell do people max FUP/AUPs?

Saying that, I have a 100G download (uploads not counted) on one line, and true unlimited on other...
Just dropped from 10 meg to 2 on Virgin cable. 750mb gets me capped now, piece of cake if I'm mucking about with the website or doing a new install.

Having used both, I would definately go for cable over ADSL if it is an option. Very stable and the contention ratio is only 20:1 instead of 50:1

The price to pay is Virgin's customer service.  >:(

Still, at least the poxy proxies have gone  :y
ADSL contention ratios are no longer specified at IP STream level.

In my experience, cable is rubbish, partly due to the constant broadcasts, mostly due to the ISPs.

It still beats the cr*p out of Wanadoo and Tiscali.

Who is good then TB - on prices that us mortals can cope with?
Wanadoo are now Orange - you're goign back a bit if you were with Wanadoo.  Tiscali normally ain't that bad at a technical level, just the CS is poor.

You need to chose an ISP that suits your best, different ISPs suit different users better.  For example, Zen Internet matches my needs, and runs OOF pretty well - how many other fairly busy forums can claim to run off a ADSL line?


If you want to hammer the torrent sites non stop, no consumer level broadband is going to be ideal - get a decent leased line in for that (and pay the costs!).  Most ISPs will shape p2p traffic or limit you, seeing as a maxed out 24/7 MaxDSL line will cost the ISP around £2.2 - £3k per month for that one user in Central and transit costs. Hardly a sensible business plan to sell for £20 per month ;)


My IE still says "Microsoft Internet Explorer provided by Freeserve" :-[
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Bandit127 on 22 September 2008, 22:54:02
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My IE still says "Microsoft Internet Explorer provided by Freeserve" :-[
Check this site out for instructions to...
,,, change IE title bar text (http://www.tunexp.com/tips/customize_your_computer/change_internet_explorer_browser_title_text/)

A long time ago I had to remove AOL from a laptop. A rather nightmare...
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: TheBoy on 22 September 2008, 22:54:51
Or just rebuild XP. It will run faster.
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Martin_1962 on 22 September 2008, 23:08:39
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Can't get Vision BTs USP is out.

So avoid BT, Carphone Warehouse, Virgin unless you want to be tracked
Zen is supposed to be good

What do you mean by tracked Martin?
Martin Imber has a bee in his bonnet over Phorn, an ad service operated at the ISP level


I'm not the only one, the only reason it isn't banned is due to the government wanting a back door into everyones browsing history.

Where shared logins are used if someone say surfed porn, even if they cleaned up afterwards with internet history and cookies ect the ad server could decide the child using it next wants to buy porn.

(used porn as an extreme example)
You'd be surprised what ISPs record, ignoring ad tracking for a mo  :-X


I wouldn't - I expect they know every site I have visited, and I know that the info can be used by law enforment agencies.

I also know there are ways around this, but I would only use them for something embarrasing
Depends exactly which bits you are talking about.  Some cannot be bypassed...

Additionally, think of what websites collect about you. We (OOF) don't actively collect info, but I can tell you a fair amount about your system, such as OS, browser, service packs (indirectly, likely vulnerabilities).  With a small number of mods, we could collect more in depth info about your system, including username.  Seeing as many XP users don't use a password, and make themselves Admins, we have the info to get into your system to play silly buggers.

Be more worried about where you visit, rather than what your ISP collects (unless its illegal, as ISPs are more tied to authorities).




I am careful where I visit and erm no pass word on the home PC, the router has a firewall and I run a software firewall as well (which I may dump).

Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: HerefordElite on 22 September 2008, 23:08:41
And for Martin :y

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ispphorm/

(not that i think govt takes any notice of these petitions and probably uses the data in some clandestine maner instead :-/)
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: HerefordElite on 22 September 2008, 23:10:01
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Or just rebuild XP. It will run faster.


long overdue Jamie ;)
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Searcher on 23 September 2008, 00:15:34
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Additionally, think of what websites collect about you. We (OOF) don't actively collect info, but I can tell you a fair amount about your system, such as OS, browser, service packs (indirectly, likely vulnerabilities).  With a small number of mods, we could collect more in depth info about your system, including username.  Seeing as many XP users don't use a password, and make themselves Admins, we have the info to get into your system to play silly buggers.

Be more worried about where you visit, rather than what your ISP collects (unless its illegal, as ISPs are more tied to authorities).




Surf anonymously.

Try this....
http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-snoop.cgi

It allows you to surf the web without revealing any personal details.

Click your calling card without/with  to see the difference.

Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 23 September 2008, 00:28:44
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Additionally, think of what websites collect about you. We (OOF) don't actively collect info, but I can tell you a fair amount about your system, such as OS, browser, service packs (indirectly, likely vulnerabilities).  With a small number of mods, we could collect more in depth info about your system, including username.  Seeing as many XP users don't use a password, and make themselves Admins, we have the info to get into your system to play silly buggers.

Be more worried about where you visit, rather than what your ISP collects (unless its illegal, as ISPs are more tied to authorities).




Surf anonymously.

Try this....
http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-snoop.cgi

It allows you to surf the web without revealing any personal details.

Click your calling card without/with  to see the difference.


Interesting, wont let me log into the OOF though. ;D ;D  BigBrother is watching us.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y :y
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Searcher on 23 September 2008, 00:45:55
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Additionally, think of what websites collect about you. We (OOF) don't actively collect info, but I can tell you a fair amount about your system, such as OS, browser, service packs (indirectly, likely vulnerabilities).  With a small number of mods, we could collect more in depth info about your system, including username.  Seeing as many XP users don't use a password, and make themselves Admins, we have the info to get into your system to play silly buggers.

Be more worried about where you visit, rather than what your ISP collects (unless its illegal, as ISPs are more tied to authorities).




Surf anonymously.

Try this....
http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-snoop.cgi

It allows you to surf the web without revealing any personal details.

Click your calling card without/with  to see the difference.


Interesting, wont let me log into the OOF though. ;D ;D  BigBrother is watching us.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y :y

Try
Enter this    www.omegaowners.com/
in  the Enter website address field .

Then click Surf anonmously.

Allow redirection. :y
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2008, 12:57:59
Many sites don't allow anonymouse proxies.

OOF doesn't block them, but may not work too well with proxy clusters - you'll hit a spam filter instead.
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2008, 12:59:37
Oh, and for info, anonymous proxies can get round all attempts to track users (without making the surfing experience unusable).
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 23 September 2008, 13:01:22
Does anyone know what info the ISP's track/record then?
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2008, 13:04:32
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Does anyone know what info the ISP's track/record then?
Getting that information is not easy.  I can quote specifics for one group of companies if I wasn't under NDA.

But they all collect a certain amount of personally identifiable by law, based around sites, emails, nntp.  ISP will also likely collect stats from RADIUS system for billing/usage/online times purposes.
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: nick v6 on 23 September 2008, 13:11:29
all internet providers track all downloads and up loads and can even trace what web sites up have been on to
all this is done by your i.p address
your i.p address holds info like the area your in and your internet provider and if done right people can even use your i.p address to get into your computer and not only view what you are seeing on your computer screen they can even add virus's and delete file from your computer
(mainly in the system32 file) this is where the main info to your computer is held that file is your main operating system file


ive done it myself by hacking wireless routers in my area
with the right software you can easily enter the computer files on the other computer without them even knowing you are in there computer


going on to viewing sites anonymously
there is a program called i.p hide or something like that which blocks internet sites from seeing your i.p address but alot of sites will not allow you on there sites

you can also check your download and upload speed to see if you are getting what you pay for by going to
www.speedtest.net and click on your local area that is closest
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2008, 13:17:46
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all internet providers track all downloads and up loads and can even trace what web sites up have been on to
all this is done by your i.p address
your i.p address holds info like the area your in and your internet provider and if done right people can even use your i.p address to get into your computer and not only view what you are seeing on your computer screen they can even add virus's and delete file from your computer
(mainly in the system32 file) this is where the main info to your computer is held that file is your main operating system file


ive done it myself by hacking wireless routers in my area
with the right software you can easily enter the computer files on the other computer without them even knowing you are in there computer


going on to viewing sites anonymously
there is a program called i.p hide or something like that which blocks internet sites from seeing your i.p address but alot of sites will not allow you on there sites

you can also check your download and upload speed to see if you are getting what you pay for by going to
www.speedtest.net and click on your local area that is closest
Its impossible to surf the web without exposing your IP somewhere, either to the site you're visiting, or to the anonymous proxy.  Something out in the big wide internet needs to know your IP to be able to send the results of the request back to, and as all web traffic is tcp based, a conversation handshake has to take place before any transfer can take place.

Anonymous proxies can hide your address from the web site owner (though there are easy ways around this), but you need to trust the anonymous proxy - somebody somewhere has to pay for that service, and often its advertising companies  :-X
Title: Re: What Broadband?
Post by: omegaman2 on 23 September 2008, 14:40:36
im with talk talk and its pure lilian gish
half the time it does not work ## most of my posts these days are from work ::)