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Title: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 23 September 2008, 13:52:26
Treat myself to a 1TB F1 Samsung Spinpoint hard drive plus  a few other goodies.

Checked the delivery, all correct, and rather than putting it on the shelf like I normally do I took it out and connected it to my system to prepare/format and the machine doesnt even see it.

Quick question before I continue.

Are there any limits on hard drive sizes on newish motherboards or even in XP Pro itself, asking now incase it's just a loose cable and before I start preparing it.

TIA  :y :y
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 23 September 2008, 13:57:38
Disk is good choice

but first time you need to check from bios .What capacity is it..


Also XP have limitations..But you can partition..
try auto setting and be sure you connect to the correct port..

and dont forget to close the pc before you make any operation..

totally plug off and push the on button to empty the condansators..
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 23 September 2008, 14:04:16
if this doesnt solve you need to upgrade mobo bios..

which is a bit risky..You must be sure you dont loose power during upgrade..

another way is add on cards which bypasses local controller..
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 23 September 2008, 14:06:48
Changed the Sata cable, all sorted.

Had the chance to add the drive as a whole disk, partitioning into 100/400/400/remaining as we speak. :P
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 23 September 2008, 14:14:07
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Changed the Sata cable, all sorted.

Had the chance to add the drive as a whole disk, partitioning into 100/400/400/remaining as we speak. :P

Good news :y

Otherwise you need to go a longer tricky route..
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 23 September 2008, 14:18:32
Just need a nice big computer case now that I can fit plenty of hard drives in. ::) ::) ::) ::) :P :y
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 23 September 2008, 14:22:51
seems that there will be a raid configuration on the road..

2 things you need to check

a healthy strong power supply (very strongly recommended )

and you will have the limit 2 TB per partition ..

Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 23 September 2008, 14:27:59
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seems that there will be a raid configuration on the road..

2 things you need to check

a healthy strong power supply (very strongly recommended )

and you will have the limit 2 TB per partition ..


Not bothered about RAID, PSU will be a minimum of a Thermaltake 720 Watt.  Need to optimise case with monitored cooling, maybe from a control panel to set the temps or even the spare motherboard fan controllers if they are teperature controllable.
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 23 September 2008, 14:34:56
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seems that there will be a raid configuration on the road..

2 things you need to check

a healthy strong power supply (very strongly recommended )

and you will have the limit 2 TB per partition ..


Not bothered about RAID, PSU will be a minimum of a Thermaltake 720 Watt.  Need to optimise case with monitored cooling, maybe from a control panel to set the temps or even the spare motherboard fan controllers if they are teperature controllable.

even if you stock some dvd films and music files you can benefit from RAID.. For example RAID 5 with 4 disks will have a good  performance (can be done with minimum 3 disks with parity)..Also will be safe..(Waiting for TheBoy comments ;D)
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 23 September 2008, 14:41:21
Am staying out of the Raid conversations, my systems are used for basic storage and not performance overall on this basis.

Of the other computers I have I was considering a bootup raid system purely to speed things up, but as yet have never experimented with it.

Any performance I build into a computer will be for gaming and for that reason all my hard drive storage will be built into annother base/bases.

Hopeing to gain the performance I need and require without overclocking
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 23 September 2008, 14:48:41
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Am staying out of the Raid conversations, my systems are used for basic storage and not performance overall on this basis.

Of the other computers I have I was considering a bootup raid system purely to speed things up, but as yet have never experimented with it.

Any performance I build into a computer will be for gaming and for that reason all my hard drive storage will be built into annother base/bases.

Hopeing to gain the performance I need and require without overclocking

if you install the games on raid partitions (depending on the game not tetris ;D) even they will be a bit faster..

if you find time and a small budget for that experimenting RAID its a joy..

But not with 1TB * 5 disks ..Will be pretty useless unless you are RAF..

like 4* 120 GB..(I hear some people say thats overkill ;D)
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2008, 18:42:32
Threw one of those drives in the MCE a few weeks ago.

Now I know Samsung are currently in the 'self-abusers Outfit' category with me at the moment, but I have to concede its a very good consumer drive :y
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 23 September 2008, 18:57:13
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Threw one of those drives in the MCE a few weeks ago.

Now I know Samsung are currently in the 'self-abusers Outfit' category with me at the moment, but I have to concede its a very good consumer drive :y

1st Samsung drive I have ever bought, used to hate how rattly they were, time will tell.  feels cooler than the 500gb Hitachi I bought a month ago. :y
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: willyboy on 23 September 2008, 19:01:25
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seems that there will be a raid configuration on the road..

2 things you need to check

a healthy strong power supply (very strongly recommended )

and you will have the limit 2 TB per partition ..


Not bothered about RAID, PSU will be a minimum of a Thermaltake 720 Watt. Need to optimise case with monitored cooling, maybe from a control panel to set the temps or even the spare motherboard fan controllers if they are teperature controllable.

Bloody Hell what you planning on running? NASA!!:D Unless your running New games or similar you dont need such fancy cooling just get a case with big fans front & TOP (there the main ones) top to suck warm air out back ones are ok too  but side fans are useless in my experience just added noise, Decent cases have settings for low/med/high  speed for fan thats all you need plus you can regulate fan speeds in your case on say cpu & graphics card with Riva Tuner programme or similar .... :y
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 23 September 2008, 19:03:48
Actually been looking at the Thermaltake Armor.  Can decide what to go for as yet.
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2008, 19:09:27
If you need that level of cooling:

a) Look at BTX cases, rather than ATX
b) You're doing something very wrong in the build.
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: willyboy on 23 September 2008, 19:12:24
I bought an Antec  really like it  see pic

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-065-AN

into gaming hence the case
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2008, 19:14:19
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I bought an Antec  really like it  see pic

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-065-AN

into gaming hence the case
Sorry, hate it.

Can't see the point in a rather window in to PC?  And I have this advertion to blue LEDs, due to being straight....
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: willyboy on 23 September 2008, 19:21:54
LOL
 PC is on floor on my left dont even see it but it is handy to check if somat not right have quick look ...LED's all can be turned off :y

I must be gay :D
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 23 September 2008, 20:56:25
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If you need that level of cooling:

a) Look at BTX cases, rather than ATX
b) You're doing something very wrong in the build.

I dont actually know that I will need that level of cooling, I am just planning ahead and planning for the ammount of heat that may come off future motherboards and then if I max the case with hard drives then I would rather have 6 redundant fans doing noting than 1 than cant do enough.
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2008, 20:59:53
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If you need that level of cooling:

a) Look at BTX cases, rather than ATX
b) You're doing something very wrong in the build.

I dont actually know that I will need that level of cooling, I am just planning ahead and planning for the ammount of heat that may come off future motherboards and then if I max the case with hard drives then I would rather have 6 redundant fans doing noting than 1 than cant do enough.
Its likely that power requirements will drop, or stay static, as energy efficiency is a big think at the moment...

The current range of SPARC chips we're using at work are pretty impressive from an efficiency point of view...
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 23 September 2008, 21:53:37
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If you need that level of cooling:

a) Look at BTX cases, rather than ATX
b) You're doing something very wrong in the build.

    *  Features  Support to 11 5.25’’ drive bays
    * Relocate-able front control panel (Power, Reset switch, HDD & PWR LEDs)
    * Support up to Extend ATX & BTX
    * Ventilation opening on top ( 62% opening ratio)
    * Built-in 5.25’’ drive bay accessory box
    * High efficiency ventilation: Dual 12cm silent fans in front & rear, 9cm fans in rear and top, 25cm fan on side
    * Retractable foot stand
    * 25cm fan on the side panel benefits CPU and GPU temperature and reinforces system stability.

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/MIDI+Tower/Thermaltake+Armor+-+Silver%2C+Window+Side+Panel+?productId=26554

Not in silver though, would have to be black. :y
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2008, 21:59:42
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If you need that level of cooling:

a) Look at BTX cases, rather than ATX
b) You're doing something very wrong in the build.

    *  Features  Support to 11 5.25’’ drive bays
    * Relocate-able front control panel (Power, Reset switch, HDD & PWR LEDs)
    * Support up to Extend ATX & BTX
    * Ventilation opening on top ( 62% opening ratio)
    * Built-in 5.25’’ drive bay accessory box
    * High efficiency ventilation: Dual 12cm silent fans in front & rear, 9cm fans in rear and top, 25cm fan on side
    * Retractable foot stand
    * 25cm fan on the side panel benefits CPU and GPU temperature and reinforces system stability.

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/MIDI+Tower/Thermaltake+Armor+-+Silver%2C+Window+Side+Panel+?productId=26554

Not in silver though, would have to be black. :y
a bit chavvy.  and overkill.

many of these cases have all those unnecessary features, simply not required.

What mobo supports more than 6 hdds anyway?
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 23 September 2008, 22:05:36
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If you need that level of cooling:

a) Look at BTX cases, rather than ATX
b) You're doing something very wrong in the build.

    *  Features  Support to 11 5.25’’ drive bays
    * Relocate-able front control panel (Power, Reset switch, HDD & PWR LEDs)
    * Support up to Extend ATX & BTX
    * Ventilation opening on top ( 62% opening ratio)
    * Built-in 5.25’’ drive bay accessory box
    * High efficiency ventilation: Dual 12cm silent fans in front & rear, 9cm fans in rear and top, 25cm fan on side
    * Retractable foot stand
    * 25cm fan on the side panel benefits CPU and GPU temperature and reinforces system stability.

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/MIDI+Tower/Thermaltake+Armor+-+Silver%2C+Window+Side+Panel+?productId=26554

Not in silver though, would have to be black. :y
a bit chavvy.  and overkill.

many of these cases have all those unnecessary features, simply not required.

What mobo supports more than 6 hdds anyway?

Both of my Gigabyte boards have support for 2 ide and 8 sata
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2008, 22:11:32
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If you need that level of cooling:

a) Look at BTX cases, rather than ATX
b) You're doing something very wrong in the build.

    *  Features  Support to 11 5.25’’ drive bays
    * Relocate-able front control panel (Power, Reset switch, HDD & PWR LEDs)
    * Support up to Extend ATX & BTX
    * Ventilation opening on top ( 62% opening ratio)
    * Built-in 5.25’’ drive bay accessory box
    * High efficiency ventilation: Dual 12cm silent fans in front & rear, 9cm fans in rear and top, 25cm fan on side
    * Retractable foot stand
    * 25cm fan on the side panel benefits CPU and GPU temperature and reinforces system stability.

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/MIDI+Tower/Thermaltake+Armor+-+Silver%2C+Window+Side+Panel+?productId=26554

Not in silver though, would have to be black. :y
a bit chavvy.  and overkill.

many of these cases have all those unnecessary features, simply not required.

What mobo supports more than 6 hdds anyway?

Both of my Gigabyte boards have support for 2 ide and 8 sata
And you plan on using all of them? Performance will be rubbish, bet they are all hanging off the same PCI device - baseline specs are all to easy to follow, but you need to look more at the implementation...
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: Plomien on 23 September 2008, 22:19:35
I have the Thermaltake Armour case and its fantastic for cooling, plenty of HDD space as well and can easily be converted to watercooling
http://thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?C=1277&ID=1405
also had a friend add some blue Leds to the side fan for me for that nice blue glow :D
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 23 September 2008, 22:20:20
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If you need that level of cooling:

a) Look at BTX cases, rather than ATX
b) You're doing something very wrong in the build.

    *  Features  Support to 11 5.25’’ drive bays
    * Relocate-able front control panel (Power, Reset switch, HDD & PWR LEDs)
    * Support up to Extend ATX & BTX
    * Ventilation opening on top ( 62% opening ratio)
    * Built-in 5.25’’ drive bay accessory box
    * High efficiency ventilation: Dual 12cm silent fans in front & rear, 9cm fans in rear and top, 25cm fan on side
    * Retractable foot stand
    * 25cm fan on the side panel benefits CPU and GPU temperature and reinforces system stability.

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/MIDI+Tower/Thermaltake+Armor+-+Silver%2C+Window+Side+Panel+?productId=26554

Not in silver though, would have to be black. :y
a bit chavvy.  and overkill.

many of these cases have all those unnecessary features, simply not required.

What mobo supports more than 6 hdds anyway?

Both of my Gigabyte boards have support for 2 ide and 8 sata
And you plan on using all of them? Performance will be rubbish, bet they are all hanging off the same PCI device - baseline specs are all to easy to follow, but you need to look more at the implementation...

Time will tell.

My old XP 2100 has 5 drives bolted into and a dvd drive and performs merrily, all IDE at that.
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: TheBoy on 23 September 2008, 22:23:53
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If you need that level of cooling:

a) Look at BTX cases, rather than ATX
b) You're doing something very wrong in the build.

    *  Features  Support to 11 5.25’’ drive bays
    * Relocate-able front control panel (Power, Reset switch, HDD & PWR LEDs)
    * Support up to Extend ATX & BTX
    * Ventilation opening on top ( 62% opening ratio)
    * Built-in 5.25’’ drive bay accessory box
    * High efficiency ventilation: Dual 12cm silent fans in front & rear, 9cm fans in rear and top, 25cm fan on side
    * Retractable foot stand
    * 25cm fan on the side panel benefits CPU and GPU temperature and reinforces system stability.

http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Components/Cases/MIDI+Tower/Thermaltake+Armor+-+Silver%2C+Window+Side+Panel+?productId=26554

Not in silver though, would have to be black. :y
a bit chavvy.  and overkill.

many of these cases have all those unnecessary features, simply not required.

What mobo supports more than 6 hdds anyway?

Both of my Gigabyte boards have support for 2 ide and 8 sata
And you plan on using all of them? Performance will be rubbish, bet they are all hanging off the same PCI device - baseline specs are all to easy to follow, but you need to look more at the implementation...

Time will tell.

My old XP 2100 has 5 drives bolted into and a dvd drive and performs merrily, all IDE at that.
Many IDE implementations will be on 2 PCI devices - 2 in Southbridge, and up to 4 on a seperate IDE chip, which Promise being popular on cheap boards.

SATA is usually done on a single chip, connected to a sinlge PCI device on cheap boards (better boards hang them off x4 PCIe channels)
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 23 September 2008, 22:26:41
What board and case do you recomend?
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: Kevin Wood on 24 September 2008, 10:33:32
Whatever you do, don't buy one of those gay PC cases with windows in the side if you live anywhere near a radio amateur. Their EMC performance is woeful. Get a proper metal box. Nothing to see inside a PC. >:(

Kevin


Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 24 September 2008, 10:36:27
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Whatever you do, don't buy one of those gay PC cases with windows in the side if you live anywhere near a radio amateur. Their EMC performance is woeful. Get a proper metal box. Nothing to see inside a PC. >:(

Kevin



Sad thing is the Armour has a big plastic window on it, and thats whats putting me off buying it. :-/
Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 24 September 2008, 10:39:57
Just found a case for Loo-knee

(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd244/jheckempis/YEHYEH.jpg)

(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd244/jheckempis/newlook.png)

(http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd244/jheckempis/gggg.png)

Title: Re: Here We Go Again - Computer Related
Post by: jereboam on 24 September 2008, 10:52:44
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If you need that level of cooling:

a) Look at BTX cases, rather than ATX
b) You're doing something very wrong in the build.

I dont actually know that I will need that level of cooling, I am just planning ahead and planning for the ammount of heat that may come off future motherboards and then if I max the case with hard drives then I would rather have 6 redundant fans doing noting than 1 than cant do enough.

It's a complete waste of effort and money to try to "future proof" a PC.  Over the last 15 years, the technology, both hardware and software, has changed so rapidly that all your kit is showing it's age after 18 months and more or less obsolete after 3 years.

Of course, it doesn't really matter unless you absolutely have to have the latest toys.  As long as it runs the stuff you actually need at an accepatble speed without falling over at frequent intervals, it's OK.