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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Lizzie_Zoom on 05 October 2008, 19:40:14
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A woman using the dispensary at the Tesco store in Cleethorpes, Lincs, was refused her request to purchase the "morning after pill" by the pharmacist. The reason given was that it was against his religion!!!! :o :o :o :o >:( >:( >:(
Guess what? Tesco agree that their pharmacist was acting within his rights! :o :o >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
The customer was apparently informed where else she could buy the tablets, and if I was her that would include all future needs of groceries!! >:( >:( >:(
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I rather hate relgious types, they always have to use it for their stupid excuses.
There's an old guy lives opposite me, who's a preacher at a local Baptist church & the other day he was weeding his garden & when he thought no one was looking he threw the weeds over into next doors garden, the wheelie bin's only a few feet away from him. So much for religion. PAA >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Tw*ts.
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That aint just Tesco's...
Very common
My mum worked in a pharmacy, saw it a lot ( had lots of locum phamacists)
You dont have a right to buy that pill, tis a weird one.
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Bloody tossers wondered why I never bother shopping @ Tesco heard that much crap about em never bother with em..
Has anyone tried there Soooopa Low car insurance LOL ! got a quote online few days ago almost dbl what some companies have quoted me :o sent em a reply saying that no answer as yet very unlikely i will get one . :y
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So -- a Jehovah's witness doctor, by the same arguement, could withold life saving treatment because it doesn't conform to HIS beliefs!! ????? What utter b*ll*cks !!!!!
If they can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen --- shouldn't be doing the job in the first place!
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If they can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen --- shouldn't be doing the job in the first place!
But Tesco could be sued for discrimination if they didn't employ him....
The whole system stinks [smiley=thumbdown.gif]
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I'd have refused to move till i'd been served what i asked for or seen the manager. It's no business of the counter staff who i get pregnant by!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]
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I dont usually post an opinion on these type of threads...
But FFS.......
Its the same as me going to the checkout with a joint of pork/beef/etc....and being told I carnt sell you that, its against my religion to eat meat >:( >:(
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Look. The world's gone rather mad. Accept it and move on.
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Look. The world's gone rather mad. Accept it and move on.
You are right there, all this sh*t and all this rather political correctness............the world has gone mad............cannot go for a sh*t without a job method these days...whats gone wrong...we are a land of something else now. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Remember when the Morning after pill was available from the Doctors only?
The only way they could move it on to be so much more available, was to add the ability for pharmacists to choose whether they wanted to sell it.
I don't agree with the ability to decide whether an individual wants to sell it or not, don't really see how different it is to arriving with a prescription, don't think they could refuse that.
End of the day it is now MUCH easier to get than it was...try needing it at a weekend a few years back - you had no chance!
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I can get all the drugs I need round the local pub. :y
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AmigoV6 getting pregnant by .., anyone.., now that would be something to hear about lolol.
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Thats like me saying I'd like to be in the army but then I can't kill anyone cos its against my beliefs! ffs!
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AmigoV6 getting pregnant by .., anyone.., now that would be something to hear about lolol.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) It would be rather unique! :D :y
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AmigoV6 getting pregnant by .., anyone.., now that would be something to hear about lolol.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) It would be rather unique! :D :y
Go on then. I'm game.
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AmigoV6 getting pregnant by .., anyone.., now that would be something to hear about lolol.
Who's AmigoV6? I'm disappointed, really i am.
I'm AmigoMV6 now!!! :D :-*
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AmigoV6 getting pregnant by .., anyone.., now that would be something to hear about lolol.
Who's AmigoV6? I'm disappointed, really i am.
I'm AmigoMV6 now!!! :D :-*
She took at the 'M' for male as no doubt it seemed inappropiate!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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I can hardly believe my eyes. :o :o :o
Tesco are just becoming more ridiculous by the day.
If they stock the product then the staff behind the counter should sell it, or leave.
The woman in question must have been mortified.
I try not to make many purchases these days from Tesco, I do not like their interfering nanny ways. >:(
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Just on a brighter note,
Most of the people in my office are against gambling, and could be quite happy to see it outlawed in the UK*, but we still work in the trade as it's the punters choice to "place there bet"
* not the rest of the world though, I still need a job :)
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A few months ago a dip stick at tesco in Lee Mill cornwall tried to wheel clamp me due to my drivers side wheels being just over the bay white line, i could not park any better as the car next to me was too far over also.........after a few choice words from me he decided not to persue the idea.............rather little Hitler he was too..
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In spite of my reply above -- and slightly off topic. I personally believe that the EHC shouldn't be available from the pharmacist anyway. At the very least the recipient should be seen by her GP.
Part of the erosion of society today is caused by the removal of consequences.
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Just what is it with Tesco, why do they not act like any other retailer.
That is they act within the law and nothing else.
Why do Tesco feel they need to play at being our moral guardians (GOD).
Tesco seem to surface a lot on this forum with regards to acting above and beyond what any retailer should.
I find this extremely worrying.........It is as though Tesco are a Law unto themselves. >:( >:( >:( :y
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AmigoV6 getting pregnant by .., anyone.., now that would be something to hear about lolol.
Who's AmigoV6? I'm disappointed, really i am.
I'm AmigoMV6 now!!! :D :-*
Awww, I can only plead tiredness lol. I shall be sure to get it right in future Giy
:P:P :P
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On the point of being against a person's religion, is it not the case that some religions don't touch/ consume alcohol ?. That doesn't stop certain people from running off licenses, in fact I recon that's where a large amount of their dosh is earned.
This country needs good dose of COMMON SENSE. Take the clamping/very high release fees in private car parks, the bunch in westminster put in some rules about it, but it was badly thought out and badly implemented, so it still goes on. Whereas in Scotland, a Judge outlawed this practise way back in '94, so it doesn't happen up there. We are drowning lawmakers (police included ) in stupid time wasting rules, instead of getting the job done. See the recent thread about Pi*eys parking in Leicester. They have been doing that for years, but because the council follow the "politically Correct" line, nothing is done, and the taxpayer has to meet the tab for cleaning up the sh*t that they leave behind. Trouble is Leicester people don't see the effect of this cleaning up, if the local paper said it cost £XXXX to move them, then feelings would change.
Bring back Guy Fawkes :y
Ken
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Why on earth do Tesco's employ these religious idiots to sell their products when it's against that person's so called religion to sell them to customers in the first place. It's as loony as employing someone as a car salesman whose religion prevents them from selling cars!!
Bl00dy fruitcakes. >:(
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rather religious excuses..and rather everyday lies >:(
heres plenty of them..free >:(
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rather religious excuses..and rather everyday lies >:(
heres plenty of them..free >:(
I see you're picking up some good English Cem!! ;D ;D
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Both Tesco and Marks & Spencer were started by Jews
Ironically both will sell you a Pork Chop or Sausage! :-?
Where profit is concerned, not all religious beliefs take priority
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A few months ago a dip stick at tesco in Lee Mill cornwall tried to wheel clamp me due to my drivers side wheels being just over the bay white line, i could not park any better as the car next to me was too far over also.........after a few choice words from me he decided not to persue the idea.............rather little Hitler he was too..
Smack him. >:(
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AmigoV6 getting pregnant by .., anyone.., now that would be something to hear about lolol.
Who's AmigoV6? I'm disappointed, really i am.
I'm AmigoMV6 now!!! :D :-*
She took at the 'M' for male as no doubt it seemed inappropiate!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
AmigoFemv6?????? :o :'(
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Both Tesco and Marks & Spencer were started by Jews
Ironically both will sell you a Pork Chop or Sausage! :-?
Where profit is concerned, not all religious beliefs take priority
That's the thing with religious beliefs. You can pick and choose as you like and it's considered "not PC" for anyone to question it.
Not against them myself, but they're a personal thing that should not be forced onto anyone else IMHO.
If you have a belief that procludes you from eating / drinking / taking something where's the harm in selling it to someone else who is old and wise enough to make up their own mind?
If the above means you can't do your job, your employer should not make excuses for you, but politely suggest that the job is not for you.
>:(
Kevin
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Both Tesco and Marks & Spencer were started by Jews
Ironically both will sell you a Pork Chop or Sausage! :-?
Where profit is concerned, not all religious beliefs take priority
That's the thing with religious beliefs. You can pick and choose as you like and it's considered "not PC" for anyone to question it.
Not against them myself, but they're a personal thing that should not be forced onto anyone else IMHO.
If you have a belief that procludes you from eating / drinking / taking something where's the harm in selling it to someone else who is old and wise enough to make up their own mind?
If the above means you can't do your job, your employer should not make excuses for you, but politely suggest that the job is not for you.
>:(
Kevin
All religion is hypocracy, except perhaps Buddism
I'm a 'Red Sea Pedestrian' who is Pro-Palestinian
The root cause of all of the problems in the middle-east is the existence of Israel, created by the British & Americans to mitigate their guilt for not having acted to stop the Nazis oppression of Jews long before the outbreak of the 2nd world war
We should not have 'stolen' Palestinian land, however the Jewish vote & political finance is so large that politician dares to speak out & has not for 50 years. It is Israel who are the main aggressors in the middle-east - does anyone ever critisise their actions? NO! We just sell them more weapons & aircraft.
(I also eat pork)
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In defence of Tesco ( and believe me, I would be the last one to defend them ... but ...) ....
The pharmacist in question is regulated by Royal Pharmaceutical Society Regulations and these DO stipulate that any pharmacist, for whatever reason, can refuse to supply the EHC "over the counter". Had the woman in this instance presented a 'script he would have had to supply as per the terms of the pharmacies contract with the local PCT.
Apparently the reasoning behind this is that when many pharmacists working today trained, the EHC wasn't available and has been foisted upon them.
When supplying the EHC "over the counter" the pharmacist is charged with counselling the recipient and can decide whether or not to recomend the drug and then supply it, or not, as the case might be.
The arguement here is with the pharmacist not with Tesco (who are dipsticks anyway !! ::))
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When supplying the EHC "over the counter" the pharmacist is charged with counselling the recipient and can decide whether or not to recomend the drug and then supply it, or not, as the case might be.
Granted, but how can he then cite his own religious beliefs for failure to sell the drug? They're irrelevant. I could understand it if it were a reason related to the recipient's percieved state of mind, etc. on this occasion it seems they were just unlucky for picking a pharmacist who is a bigot.
.. and it's Tesco's fault for backing their employee IMHO.
Kevin
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Found it - never heard the term red sea pedestrian before
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Found it - never heard the term red sea pedestrian before
Really? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079470/quotes
;D
Kevin
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If tesco want to back this employees religious conviction then they should put their hand in their oversized pocket and have another member of staff on duty at the same time to cover the eventuality of someone requiring the morning after pill.
I was flicking through autosport in Tesco last Friday while mrs Bitz was shopping when a member of staff asked me if I intended to buy the magizine.
I was about to explain that my mrs was filling the trolley with over a hundred quids worth of goods from the shelves while I was borrowing the mag. but I couldnt really be bothered having the conversation.
so I told her that I was buying the mag. and walked off into the canned food aisle and slung it in among the heinz soups. :)
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Found it - never heard the term red sea pedestrian before
Really? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079470/quotes
;D
Kevin
Now come on Kevin, your lowering the tone of the rant. ;D ;D ;D
Ken
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Found it - never heard the term red sea pedestrian before
Really? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079470/quotes
;D
Kevin
Yes I have seen it - but forgot this!
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Now whilst I agree that 'fanatics' are a pain, but before knocking all religious people I suggest you read this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/06/religion
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In spite of my reply above -- and slightly off topic. I personally believe that the EHC shouldn't be available from the pharmacist anyway. At the very least the recipient should be seen by her GP.
Part of the erosion of society today is caused by the removal of consequences.
Great opinion from a male!
The alternatives being unwanted children in an already stretched society!
Yes, there are consequences but accidents do happen, not everyone uses it as a regular form of contraception!
It's not the man who deals with the immediate consequences!
Plus its not always possible to see a doctor within the time scales required!
Do think it's wrong that religion comes into medicine though!
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In spite of my reply above -- and slightly off topic. I personally believe that the EHC shouldn't be available from the pharmacist anyway. At the very least the recipient should be seen by her GP.
Part of the erosion of society today is caused by the removal of consequences.
Great opinion from a male!
The alternatives being unwanted children in an already stretched society!
Yes, there are consequences but accidents do happen, not everyone uses it as a regular form of contraception!
It's not the man who deals with the immediate consequences!
Plus its not always possible to see a doctor within the time scales required!
Do think it's wrong that religion comes into medicine though!
EHT/abortion is seen by some to be the deliberate taking of a life. They hold the view that life exists from the moment of conception, not the moment of birth. In this case the subject becomes very religous/moral, and they argue that it has nothing to do with medicine, but convenience.
It could be argued (and is) that the law actually recognises this, as there is a time limit on abortion, argued over the "viability" of the foetus .... at what point DOES life begin ???
In all fairness, they have the right to hold that point of view, however they should not try and force it on others, neither should they be forced to accept the contrary view.
Whenever you claim a "right" to do something ... you automatically give someone else the "right" to disagree.
Just a thought .. nowt else .. :)
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In spite of my reply above -- and slightly off topic. I personally believe that the EHC shouldn't be available from the pharmacist anyway. At the very least the recipient should be seen by her GP.
Part of the erosion of society today is caused by the removal of consequences.
Great opinion from a male!
The alternatives being unwanted children in an already stretched society!
Yes, there are consequences but accidents do happen, not everyone uses it as a regular form of contraception!
It's not the man who deals with the immediate consequences!
Plus its not always possible to see a doctor within the time scales required!
Do think it's wrong that religion comes into medicine though!
EHT/abortion is seen by some to be the deliberate taking of a life. They hold the view that life exists from the moment of conception, not the moment of birth. In this case the subject becomes very religous/moral, and they argue that it has nothing to do with medicine, but convenience.
It could be argued (and is) that the law actually recognises this, as there is a time limit on abortion, argued over the "viability" of the foetus .... at what point DOES life begin ???
In all fairness, they have the right to hold that point of view, however they should not try and force it on others, neither should they be forced to accept the contrary view.
Whenever you claim a "right" to do something ... you automatically give someone else the "right" to disagree.
Just a thought .. nowt else .. :)
Haven't said that it's a right! It's everyones right to have sex, which as a species we do for pleasure not just to reproduce. And as such its a womans right to take steps not to become pregnant should the need arise!
There is far more to real life than religious views, which with all due respect provide no practical support in these situations.
Why should women have to justify their decision to use EHT just because of some religious/moral view?
It's our body and our life therefore our decision!
With all due respect this is not something men can ever hope to comprehend!
Not all relationships should lead to children!
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Without wishing to start a row ... please delete "woman/women/our" and insert "my/I/my" in your last post ... there are many women who don't agree with you !!
I totally and utterly accept you have the right to make those decisions about you, what I don't accept is anyone - government/charity/womens' lib/general dogooder - claiming the right to speak for approximately half the worlds population .. unless of course they ask every single woman in existence their view on the matter.
I'll back off now to avoid confrontation
Just my views .. nowt else
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Without wishing to start a row ... please delete "woman/women/our" and insert "my/I/my" in your last post ... there are many women who don't agree with you !!
I totally and utterly accept you have the right to make those decisions about you, what I don't accept is anyone - government/charity/womens' lib/general dogooder - claiming the right to speak for approximately half the worlds population .. unless of course they ask every single woman in existence their view on the matter.
I'll back off now to avoid confrontation
Just my views .. nowt else
No sorry not going to edit to suit your chauvenistic views!
Can't stand the heat so getting out of the kitchen!
Doesn't that just sum up why WOMEN should have the right to EHT!
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Without wishing to start a row ... please delete "woman/women/our" and insert "my/I/my" in your last post ... there are many women who don't agree with you !!
I totally and utterly accept you have the right to make those decisions about you, what I don't accept is anyone - government/charity/womens' lib/general dogooder - claiming the right to speak for approximately half the worlds population .. unless of course they ask every single woman in existence their view on the matter.
I'll back off now to avoid confrontation
Just my views .. nowt else
No sorry not going to edit to suit your chauvenistic views!
Can't stand the heat so getting out of the kitchen!
Doesn't that just sum up why WOMEN should have the right to EHT!
totally agree with Entwood - your views are your views alone - you cannot speak for every woman, are you saying all woman agree with each other?
that said, religions have a funny way of taking the moral high-ground without any justification - anyone imposing their beliefs and morals on someone who doesnt have the same beliefs is wrong - thats what i detest about all religion, the way our society panders to these "fantasists" who argue over which invisible superhero is better - and which "fairy tale" is the true story - its ludicrous - believe what you like - just don't tell me whats right and wrong :y
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Without wishing to start a row ... please delete "woman/women/our" and insert "my/I/my" in your last post ... there are many women who don't agree with you !!
I totally and utterly accept you have the right to make those decisions about you, what I don't accept is anyone - government/charity/womens' lib/general dogooder - claiming the right to speak for approximately half the worlds population .. unless of course they ask every single woman in existence their view on the matter.
I'll back off now to avoid confrontation
Just my views .. nowt else
No sorry not going to edit to suit your chauvenistic views!
Can't stand the heat so getting out of the kitchen!
Doesn't that just sum up why WOMEN should have the right to EHT!
totally agree with Entwood - your views are your views alone - you cannot speak for every woman, are you saying all woman agree with each other?
that said, religions have a funny way of taking the moral high-ground without any justification - anyone imposing their beliefs and morals on someone who doesnt have the same beliefs is wrong - thats what i detest about all religion, the way our society panders to these "fantasists" who argue over which invisible superhero is better - and which "fairy tale" is the true story - its ludicrous - believe what you like - just don't tell me whats right and wrong :y
Surprise surprise! men stick together!
I'm not speaking for all women. We all have our own views! What I am saying is that it is a womans right to act within her own views and to not be governed by someone elses view!
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Without wishing to start a row ... please delete "woman/women/our" and insert "my/I/my" in your last post ... there are many women who don't agree with you !!
I totally and utterly accept you have the right to make those decisions about you, what I don't accept is anyone - government/charity/womens' lib/general dogooder - claiming the right to speak for approximately half the worlds population .. unless of course they ask every single woman in existence their view on the matter.
I'll back off now to avoid confrontation
Just my views .. nowt else
No sorry not going to edit to suit your chauvenistic views!
Can't stand the heat so getting out of the kitchen!
Doesn't that just sum up why WOMEN should have the right to EHT!
totally agree with Entwood - your views are your views alone - you cannot speak for every woman, are you saying all woman agree with each other?
that said, religions have a funny way of taking the moral high-ground without any justification - anyone imposing their beliefs and morals on someone who doesnt have the same beliefs is wrong - thats what i detest about all religion, the way our society panders to these "fantasists" who argue over which invisible superhero is better - and which "fairy tale" is the true story - its ludicrous - believe what you like - just don't tell me whats right and wrong :y
Surprise surprise! men stick together!
I'm not speaking for all women. We all have our own views! What I am saying is that it is a womans right to act within her own views and to not be governed by someone elses view!
thats exactly what i'm saying!! :) :) :y :y
totally agree with you on that front Ljay - no person has the right do determine what someone can and can't do with their own body :y
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Lets all think of our happy place......
........and relax :y
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Most conflicts throughout time are caused by Religions & their associated zealots
Possibly with the exception of Buddism
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Most conflicts throughout time are caused by Religions & their associated zealots
Possibly with the exception of Buddism
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true - although to be fair, a lot of people don't class buddism as a religion, more a lifestyle choice, like vegetarianism or naturism and you're right - i've never heard of a buddha starting a war or caring how others live their lives :y
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In spite of my reply above -- and slightly off topic. I personally believe that the EHC shouldn't be available from the pharmacist anyway. At the very least the recipient should be seen by her GP.
Part of the erosion of society today is caused by the removal of consequences.
Great opinion from a male!
The alternatives being unwanted children in an already stretched society!
Yes, there are consequences but accidents do happen, not everyone uses it as a regular form of contraception!
It's not the man who deals with the immediate consequences!
Plus its not always possible to see a doctor within the time scales required!
Do think it's wrong that religion comes into medicine though!
Sorry Ljay -- but you have completely gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick!
My point, badly made is, that the EHT wasn't available when most current pharmacists were trained -- therefore they are not trained to counsel and advise it's use -- GP's are!
Also a GP, who knows his patient can track their use and screen for other problems if required (stds etc in a promiscuous tenn for instance!).
I am not being "typically male" and preaching what you can or can't do with your body --- it's not my concern. But I would add ( male or female alike) you do look at these things slightly differently when you have been at the receptacle end of a Vac. Asp termination and it falls to you to catch a liquidised foetus. BUT -- that was not my point and I am not going to get into an arguement over the rights and wrongs of someones sex life.
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Regardless of any moral view, if a product is available and a women wishes to purchase it. No one should make a decision on whether you can purchase it or not.
Especially on religious grounds.
Surely the employee in question knew the product was there. Didn't he feel obliged to let Tesco know how he felt, rather than wait and upset a customer.