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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Mr Skrunts on 10 October 2008, 23:22:53
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Am going through a bad phase. yet again I have just had annother load of data screw up.
Windows Error Checking recovered quite a lot, but I am desperate to get 47GB of wrestling Vids back off my hard drive. Data cannot be moved or copied from drive to drive.
Put a new hard drive in with a New Windows install on and slaved the corrupted drive, no joy. Changed all IDE and Sata cables, still no joy. Seems like the Motherboard is the problem as the problem still occurs with data transfers from one to the other of 2 brand new hard drives.
I used to have a load of disk checking and speed test utils as I want to find the fault.
Any Suggestions, especially on the Data checking and recovey side for software utils.
Problems will be solved tomorrow as I have aquirred a new board and Quad core CPU. But I still want to get to the bottom of the problems on my old system
TIA. :y
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I always keep a spare PC for just this situation, has a small(ish) boot disc for Windows and I can hook almost any disc into it to recover files. As long as the disc isn't trying to run a system partition you can recover pretty much anything
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Stupid question for a PC literate guy (...bug?) like you Skruntie but have you played around with the jumpers on the discs?
Been a long time sine I have slaved a disc, but IIRC jumpers for both Master and Slave prevented the slave from being seen by Windows. One of the two discs needed NO jumper.
Slave then needed mounting in Windows.
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Ok, I work in IT and there are a few things you can try. Download a program called minipe http://minipe.org/MiniPE.v2k5.09.03-XT_2oo8.o8.20.rar (password thecavern)
You will need to burn this to a DVD and start your broken pc with it in the drive.
This software will allow you to start your pc (on the fly) it has its own operating system buillt on Windows XP there are loads of recovery tools on the disk and software which will allow you to copy from disk to disk.
If you get stuck let me know and ill talk you though it
Cheers
Rob :D
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I have used PCI Filerecovery in the past with good results.
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Stupid question for a PC literate guy (...bug?) like you Skruntie but have you played around with the jumpers on the discs?
Been a long time sine I have slaved a disc, but IIRC jumpers for both Master and Slave prevented the slave from being seen by Windows. One of the two discs needed NO jumper.
Slave then needed mounting in Windows.
I understand where you are coming from. But nothing has been altered.
IDE 0 has a 200GB boot drive on it with 4 partitions. Has run this way for over a year, about a month ago formated the C: partition and reinstalled windows to get rid of all the cluuter.
IDE1 has a Pioneer 110 on it, neither of the IDE drives have had the jumpers altered since they were first fitted.
All other drives have been added by one of the 4 Sata 2 connections.
Problems started Saturday night when the CPU temp went OOT and the Board didnt shut dowm. All ok now with new fan fitted etc.
Tried to move Data from an IDE partition to a Sata drive, the computer just locked. Happened 3 or 4 times.
Changed all IDE and Sata Cables, problem not solved.
Changed the Sata Slave drive, no joy.
Took out the IDE and Fitted a Sata Boot Drive with a freash install of Windows on.
I can transfer from Partition to Partition on this drive.
But Still Cannot Move Data from Prhyical Drive to Physical Drive.
Data reads ok as far as I know.
Unless I have damaged something then all I can think of the board is on it's way out
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Am just wondering if I can boot from a Sata Drive windows install with the IDE drive connedted to the new machine and hope it wont boot from IDE as I havent played with multi boot systems for years.
If it fails I will just format C: and then add it as a slave.
Dont think/or know if the Bios boot options give IDE or Sata priority . Just the Floppy/CD Eom or Hard Disk Options.
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Dont think/or know if the Bios boot options give IDE or Sata priority . Just the Floppy/CD Eom or Hard Disk Options.
Not seen an option anywhere to do this.
The difference between the IDE and SATA drives should be transparent - but it looks like they're not.
You can only use 1 boot partition although you could have many. I think the word is primary but, as stated, you should only be able to set 1 of them.
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Dont think/or know if the Bios boot options give IDE or Sata priority . Just the Floppy/CD Eom or Hard Disk Options.
Not seen an option anywhere to do this.
The difference between the IDE and SATA drives should be transparent - but it looks like they're not.
You can only use 1 boot partition although you could have many. I think the word is primary but, as stated, you should only be able to set 1 of them.
I have a Primary Boot on each of the IDE and Sata Dives and both have a full Windows install on, be interesting if I am given any boot options when I do try it.
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I have a Primary Boot on each of the IDE and Sata Dives and both have a full Windows install on, be interesting if I am given any boot options when I do try it.
OK, then maybe the word is active. I stand to be corrected, but I've only ever been able to set one, not many. The boot partition on that drive then manages multiple boot options.
Good luck anyway and keep us posted.
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I have a Primary Boot on each of the IDE and Sata Dives and both have a full Windows install on, be interesting if I am given any boot options when I do try it.
OK, then maybe the word is active. I stand to be corrected, but I've only ever been able to set one, not many. The boot partition on that drive then manages multiple boot options.
Good luck anyway and keep us posted.
Will do.
Am not touching it till next week, am just happy to have a system I can browse and download with at the moment. Plus I have had a bad week illness wise, so am just going to relax for the rest of the weekend. ::) :y
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Just had a quick read here:
Windows XP Boot Sequence clicky (http://pcs.suite101.com/article.cfm/windows_xp_boot_sequence)
It looks like the BIOS will boot from the HDD marked Master. Hopefully your BIOS will only allow one Master - or alternatively it will maybe boot from the first bootstrap it finds in the chain of disks.
Sorry for being 'woolly' - been a while :-[
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Just had a quick read here:
Windows XP Boot Sequence clicky (http://pcs.suite101.com/article.cfm/windows_xp_boot_sequence)
It looks like the BIOS will boot from the HDD marked Master. Hopefully your BIOS will only allow one Master - or alternatively it will maybe boot from the first bootstrap it finds in the chain of disks.
Sorry for being 'woolly' - been a while :-[
Thats what I was thinking. So am guesing it will boot from the IDE drive. :-/
Not really an issue as Long as I manage to get the data off it,
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Quick update.
Put the IDE on as a Slave with a Sata as Boot. Sata booted up OK and managed to retrieve all data from it with out any loss what soever. But did notice the drive had become extremely hot (Admitted it was not screwed into a computer case to disipate heat)
Back to day to day use, computer fine. Shut the machine down and connected a 2nd drive to do a backup (Both Sata) But the old problem raised it head - but with a twist this time. Message as follows.
Windows - Delayed Write Fails.
Windows was unable to save all the data for the file M:$ft. The data has been lost.
This data has been lost.
This error may be caused by by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection.
Please try to save the data elsewhere.
Then after I clear the message and attempt again, The tree structure of the drives only shows the boot drive and the backup drive has dissapeared.
Last time IDE to Sata
This time Sata to Sata
Question.
Hard ware or software?
If hard ware - Maybe controller ?
I belive the IDE and Sata are different chips, but are all the Sata drives run throught the same Sata Controller chips?
TIA. :y :y
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Question.
Hard ware or software?
If hard ware - Maybe controller ?
I belive the IDE and Sata are different chips, but are all the Sata drives run throught the same Sata Controller chips?
TIA. :y :y
This is a complete punt but I would say the Southbridge on the chip. Or the IDE controller fubarred, and is knacking the Southbridge.
Either that or BIOS.
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Question.
Hard ware or software?
If hard ware - Maybe controller ?
I belive the IDE and Sata are different chips, but are all the Sata drives run throught the same Sata Controller chips?
TIA. :y :y
This is a complete punt but I would say the Southbridge on the chip. Or the IDE controller fubarred, and is knacking the Southbridge.
Either that or BIOS.
Thought that the 1st time round doing IDE to Sata. But this time is Sata to Sata
Southbridge feels quite hot but never checked it before so cant compare a Now/Then temp.
The boards being replaced but I just wanted to get to the bottom of it.
Anyone know of any Northbridge and Southbridge test/analyisis software. ??
TIA. :y :y
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Thought that the 1st time round doing IDE to Sata. But this time is Sata to Sata
Hence my comment that a faulty IDE controller is dragging the Southbridge down with it and causing general disc I/O pain.
IIRC, you might have cooked the CPU? Perhaps that's the problem? Data goes through address busses and data busses before it reaches the southbridge. With 3 discs you will have increased the range of addresses in use, wether you use them or not. ...Thinking out loud really.
I don't know of any test software that works at such a low level. I would do the same as you have planned and swap bits out.
Good luck. :y
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North & South bridge can get hot some do need fans on or a fan blowing on them (whats the mobo type)
Just connect the sata drive up with windows on it run it then one by one attach the ide drives obviously using one as master/slave dont use cable select it dont always work !! run the system after each one is added to see if it reads info/data then you will find out if one hdd is a problem or if the data as been corrupted GL Phil :y
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Only ever 1 drive connected untill I back up then there are 2.
1st round was IDE + Sata
2nd round was Sata + Sata
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Hi Willy
Tried all combinations over the last few days, I got the data off the IDE, I actually thought that drive was the problem and it had corrupted the data
Boards served it ime now, had 2 years plus of heavy usage out of it which surprises me as my systems normally get replaced with in a year.
This has ended up being one of things that I wanted to get to the bottom of, which is why I was after some diagnostics software to see if it showed any failues.