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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: JamesV6CDX on 17 December 2006, 11:06:21
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Can't sort out the problem with these stupid bloody electrics on the project car. Fed up of working on cars with such crap electrics, fed up about going on about the same thing, left with nothing left to try, giving up.
So I wanna go back to my original plan, of doing something crazy.
I've researched with VOSA, and if I fit an engine that's pre-1992, I won't have to meet strict emissions criteria if I put it in a later car.
Question: What huge (or big) Vx carb/dizzy engines are out there that would fit onto the omega engine mounts, and mate with the Ar25/35 gearbox? A straight 6 would be cool!!
What electrics does the Auto gearbox in the omega need to run, what does it rely on from the engine ECU, and would it function in any way with a mechanical (rather than electrical) engine in the car?
It must NOT be a fuel injected engine (or easily converted for a carb) and must have a dizzy/coil ignition arrangement.
I really don't know what's out there.
I'm only going to scrap this car now I can't get it going, so we want to have a laugh and do something daft with it!
Not sure if it's even possible, depending on what's out there.
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Would a Nova 1.2 engine fit?
It would leave you plenty of room in the engine bay to work on it
;D
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insurance hassles, and heavier engine affecting handling may need to be considered as well?
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Insurance - not a problem, I've got 5 years NCD.
Handling - I'll worry about that when it moves!!
Hmm.. nova 1.2.. would it move? Lol
My biggest question is what engines are out there that would pop into the engine bay, and mate with the box.
And also, whether the autobox would work without an engine ECU being in place!
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omegatoy here fitted the complete parts of a Lotus Carlton, engine, gearbox, axels the lot.
He has some funny storys about that too, jaw dropping BWM M5 owners ;D
You could put in the 3.0 24 Straight 6 from a Senny, but not much point really?
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You could put in the 3.0 24 Straight 6 from a Senny, but not much point really?
Not much point? Not much point!! It would be a legend man!!!!
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But does that have carb and dizzy?
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C30SE (24v Senator engine) has a distributor, but no carbs (thank god!)
I would just buy a 24v Senator though as a cheap winter runner (Mine and Marks old one is on ebay right now! ;))
Everyone should own one at some time! :)
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I would just buy a 24v Senator though as a cheap winter runner (Mine and Marks old one is on ebay right now! ;)) :)
Which one?
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I would just buy a 24v Senator though as a cheap winter runner (Mine and Marks old one is on ebay right now! ;)) :)
Which one?
I can't see it either, although there is one going in West Drayton cheap... humm tempting!!!
What kind of mpg did you average on your trip laidback?? They seam to go cheaper than omegas could be another car for my euro trip
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The old slant 4 or its Lotus equivalent
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Cheers Guys, but - would this engine fit into the same mounts in the Omega engine bay?
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1992-VAUXHALL-SENATOR-CD-24V-A-RED_W0QQitemZ220059467943QQihZ012QQcategoryZ9858QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item220059467943#ebayphotohosting
This is the only red Senator I can find on eBay and it's in Derbyshire. I've got a feeling it may not be Dave's/Mark's old one though. I hope not, the seller states they are moving to America :-/
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That is our old one. :)
The seller is the person who bought it off me, and she is indeed American.
Average was 30mpg across most of the journey, quite amazing really!
Oh and this one has been "chipped" so the pick up over 4k rpm is rather impressive!
A good solid car that just needs a couple of little issues sorting.
I reckon it will go for £200 ish...
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She certainly wants alot for it, I wonder what she has the reserve set at :-/
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Don't know where she gets the daft idea of £500 from?
She paid £400 for it, and I suspect it has not even had an oil change since she took ownership!
It is a fun car though! ;D
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Well,I reckon you could bin the Dual Ram system in favour of a rack of bike carbs!!
Oh! What's that? I just happen to have a 24v straight six engine and good auto gearbox lying in my garage!! Wouldn't take much to persuade me to part with them either!! The engine's got new guides on it but is un-run.
I had my last Senator tuned up to 230 BHP without too much trouble.
Interested? :y
However, if I had my choice, I'd be sticking a huffing great big GM drived V8 in the space!! 8-)
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Rod - You mean something like this then?
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j298/hotel21/omega_B_V8_05.jpg)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j298/hotel21/Omega_b-069b.jpg)
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Now that's what I'm talkin' about!!!! :y
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j298/hotel21/omega_B_V8_05.jpg)
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So is that an LS1 lump Broocie?
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Dunno mate.
Can you read German? Well down the list on this link posted the other day by kcl.
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1166451001
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No, the one in the Omega (first pic) is the Northstar engine which is a dual overhead cam based power plant with 32 valves (note that the unit is wider as a result):
http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpowertrain/engines/northstar/index.htm
The second one in the Monaro/Holden is the LS1/2 (depending on year) single cam with 16 valves.
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Mmmmm! Northstar!
Just saying it sounds great!!
That's the Caddy engine they used for racing isn't it?
Yeah, knew about the Monaro one, just didn't know if they were the same engine under the plastics.
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Thats the one.....and much cheaper than an LS1/2 second hand (like 500 dollars tops!)
Plus....lots of valves!
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and much cheaper than an LS1/2 second hand (like 500 dollars tops!)
Reeaaaallllllly?!?!?!?!
<--------Rubs chin in devious/thoughtful fashion!!
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Northstar Engines on Ebay (http://motors.search.ebay.com/northstar_Complete-Engines_W0QQcatrefZC6QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQfclZ3QQfgtpZQQfmmdZQQfmmkZQQfposZQ5AIPQ2fPostalQQfromZR2QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ2QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQfyhiZQQfyloZQQlopgZQQmppfqyZnorthstarQQsacatZ33615QQsadisZ200QQsaprchiZQQsaprcloZQQsargnZQ2d1QQsaslcZ2QQsbrftogZ1QQsofocusZbs)
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Much you reckon to ship one here?
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Interesting. :)
I know little about these engines though :-[
What is the tuning potential of these units relative to the LS1/2?
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Well, lets just say that the out of the box LH2 varient (4.4L supercharged) was a mere 469Bhp (used in the Cadillac STS-V)