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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: amigov6 on 26 October 2008, 21:25:15
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On tuesday i've got to lift to 20ft containers off a place called Ellon between Aberdeen & Peterhead. I've been up last week & got all day tomorrow to drive up but is there a free wifi there i can tap into? Been told if on or near any mcd's or industrial est. signals are'nt blocked so can go online with the lappy. Got 12v power supply ready & truck has a 12v feed.
Any ideas please? :-/
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macdonalds have free wifi, park up near one and you should be sorted
or try here
http://www.myhotspots.co.uk/
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if its a unsecured wifi network then your laptop should pick it up if you are within range, it will have name and there should be no padlock next to the name.
Some people would argue that morally jumping on an insecure wifi network is wrong.....for a little bit of personal surfing i see no issue
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Somebody was prosecuted for theft of internet a few months ago, by using WiFi to tap in. A bit tricky to trace I recon, but........ I guess the "establishment" were trying to send a message.........
I remember we used to have an unsecured wifi network at my son's place. They checked and found massive use of the net via wifi, and new people had just moved in over the road. :o They spent the next week sending all sorts of spybots, hacks etc trying to disrupt them ;D ;D ;D
Ken
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There is a law against it - the Communications Act 2003.
Only one person has been convicted and 2 others cautioned, all 3 trying to use personal WLANs. (1 of them was quite persistent... :))
If it is public and "free" anyway, you should be fine...
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If its non commercial, then remember the owner may be on Pay As You Go.
If commercial, it should be secured, and VPN'd.
If its a public hotspot, as at some services, then all well and good :)
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swallow undy arms main st ellon ab41 6bl according to find my hotspots and its a mycloud so its free... hope this helps.... :y
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Somebody was prosecuted for theft of internet a few months ago, by using WiFi to tap in
Very interesting..
To complete the offence of theft, you have to prove (among other things) that a) the item was tangible, and b) the accused intended to permently deprive the owner of the item.
I'm not sure how either of these apply to a wireless internet connection :-/
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Somebody was prosecuted for theft of internet a few months ago, by using WiFi to tap in
Very interesting..
To complete the offence of theft, you have to prove (among other things) that a) the item was tangible, and b) the accused intended to permently deprive the owner of the item.
I'm not sure how either of these apply to a wireless internet connection :-/
By the way, before anyone shoots me down, this info is legitimately in the public doman ;)
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Somebody was prosecuted for theft of internet a few months ago, by using WiFi to tap in
Very interesting..
To complete the offence of theft, you have to prove (among other things) that a) the item was tangible, and b) the accused intended to permently deprive the owner of the item.
I'm not sure how either of these apply to a wireless internet connection :-/
easy when using said connection costs the owner extra money.
Also, remember that it is a civil and criminal offence (depending on how/where you do it) to gain unauthorised access to systems.
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Oh what a lovely can of worms we have opened :-)
Many PC's will connect themselves automatically to an unsecured wireless access point, I know it's a little pedantic of me as I am sure this sort of thing only lands up in a court if the offending connection isn't terminated when asked, but still, who are we going to prosecute, the computer :-)
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One more thing... where public WiFi is available, e.g. McDonalds or Starbucks, if the small print says 'for customers use only' then squatting in the car park with a lappy is still potentially an offence... juts as parking in a superstore car park when you are not actually going into the shop can be considered trespassing on private property as permission is only granted to customers.
Not that I see anyone actually getting done for using WiFi at a McDonalds car park, but this is what the legal implications are.
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From my recollection of the wifi prosecution, the guy had parked up near to where there was supposed to be a Public wifi and picked what he thought was it. Turns out it was an unsecured wifi in a nearby cafe and he was found guilty even though the cafe owner said she didn't mind him using it. Enforcement to the letter rather than the spirit since it is almost impossible to know whether the node you connect to really is public rather than just badly setup. Would help if all the public ones had a consistent naming convention
Almost forgot....Theft includes 'obtaining pecuniary advantage' ie saving money by not spending pay as you go minutes or similar
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From my recollection of the wifi prosecution, the guy had parked up near to where there was supposed to be a Public wifi and picked what he thought was it. Turns out it was an unsecured wifi in a nearby cafe and he was found guilty even though the cafe owner said she didn't mind him using it. Enforcement to the letter rather than the spirit since it is almost impossible to know whether the node you connect to really is public rather than just badly setup. Would help if all the public ones had a consistent naming convention
Almost forgot....Theft includes 'obtaining pecuniary advantage' ie saving money by not spending pay as you go minutes or similar
If the the cafe owner didn't mind how can this be offence??? :o
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>If the the cafe owner didn't mind how can this be offence??? Shocked
Because it was in America LOL
State laws over there make our daftest laws look sensible
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276720,00.html
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>If the the cafe owner didn't mind how can this be offence??? Shocked
Because it was in America LOL
State laws over there make our daftest laws look sensible
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276720,00.html
OK, but reading the full article this can almost be classified as 'freak accident'... ;D
You really have to be extremely unlucky for this to happen to you. :-?
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>If the the cafe owner didn't mind how can this be offence??? Shocked
Because it was in America LOL
State laws over there make our daftest laws look sensible
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276720,00.html
OK, but reading the full article this can almost be classified as 'freak accident'... ;D
You really have to be extremely unlucky for this to happen to you. :-?
Actually this has happened in the UK too, struggling to find the link though.....will keep searching
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If this sort of thing can happen here too I'm moving to Cuba where it's safer :D
Heaven help us all
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>If the the cafe owner didn't mind how can this be offence??? Shocked
Because it was in America LOL
State laws over there make our daftest laws look sensible
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276720,00.html
OK, but reading the full article this can almost be classified as 'freak accident'... ;D
You really have to be extremely unlucky for this to happen to you. :-?
Actually this has happened in the UK too, struggling to find the link though.....will keep searching
bit older than I thought http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1548960/Two-arrested-over-wifi-theft.html
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If this sort of thing can happen here too I'm moving to Cuba where it's safer :D
Heaven help us all
I heard of nice '56 Chevy for sale in Havana (running on cane sugar for petrol and lemon juice for brake fluid, and you don't want to know what the engine oil is made of...), I'll forward the link in a minute... ;D
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>If the the cafe owner didn't mind how can this be offence??? Shocked
Because it was in America LOL
State laws over there make our daftest laws look sensible
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276720,00.html
OK, but reading the full article this can almost be classified as 'freak accident'... ;D
You really have to be extremely unlucky for this to happen to you. :-?
Actually this has happened in the UK too, struggling to find the link though.....will keep searching
bit older than I thought http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1548960/Two-arrested-over-wifi-theft.html
Not so fast there...
1. This was 'theft' from private home connection, and it can understandably be alarming if someone piggy-backs on you home network without you knowing. A coffee-shop network is intended for customers use, so while technically an offence to use it if you are not a customer, it is not really the same as the former.
For example: if someone ;eaves their front door unlocked, and you open it and walk into their home, or if you go into the kitchen of a coffee shop in spite the fact that it is marked 'private', it is an offence in both cases but far from being the same...
2. You really have to be unlucky... if the users switched-off their laptops when approached by police, I doubt if the police would have gone all the way into forensic IT to check what they were logged into... it is more likely that they honsetly replied to police questions saying they logged-in to unsecured connection.
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Oh dear, that makes me a criminal then, when I moved house certain pieces of equipment connected themselves to next door ;)
They didn't stay connected, but still........
Listen folks, secure you wifi to save innocent people from breaking the law
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Oh dear, that makes me a criminal then, when I moved house certain pieces of equipment connected themselves to next door ;)
We have your IP, expect a knock on your door any minute now... ;D
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I won't name the member who ccontacted me because he couldn't access his network from his wireless laptop, due to it being connected to a neighbour's router then.
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Oh dear, that makes me a criminal then, when I moved house certain pieces of equipment connected themselves to next door ;)
We have your IP, expect a knock on your door any minute now... ;D
IP addy wont prove anything.....only proof would be if the router logged your MAC addy :y
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Oh dear, that makes me a criminal then, when I moved house certain pieces of equipment connected themselves to next door ;)
We have your IP, expect a knock on your door any minute now... ;D
IP addy wont prove anything.....only proof would be if the router logged your MAC addy :y
We no need prove, we shoot first ask question later, amigo! ;D
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Markjay, LOL quite a lot. ;D
Good job I am routing thru' a proxy in Cuba then :D
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I won't name the member who ccontacted me because he couldn't access his network from his wireless laptop, due to it being connected to a neighbour's router then.
Been there, done that. ;D If you leave your WLAN totally unprotected all bets are off, IMHO.
Kevin
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Mines not locked...how do i go about it?
:-[
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Mines not locked...how do i go about it?
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Create a WEP/WPA key on the router......WPA is more secure if the router and card in pc can do it......
After you've set one the pc will ask for 'key' when you connect to it for the first time :y
And change the default admin password on the router if you havent already done so :y