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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: theolodian on 10 December 2008, 13:19:31
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Argh, this winds me up. The government is 'restructuring' benefits to get a million people back into work. What complete fukwits! A million jobs are going to magically appear, especially with the economy the way that it is?!? I completely agree with encouraging people to work, but this is insane! >:(
Yes, I saw there was another thread but it is 3 pages long and I'm too cross to read the whole thing. :P
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I may wrong by saying what i say, but ill stand by it. If we didn't have as many immigrants as we do, there would be lots of jobs. British jobs=British workers
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Gte them cutting grass, cleaning streets, helping at shelters.....get them working for thier benefits!
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I may wrong by saying what i say, but ill stand by it. If we didn't have as many immigrants as we do, there would be lots of jobs. British jobs=British workers
That makes 2 of us who may be wrong then. ;) :y
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Gte them cutting grass, cleaning streets, helping at shelters.....get them working for thier benefits!
I completely agree with that! Then the government is actually 'creating' some of these million jobs . . .
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I may wrong by saying what i say, but ill stand by it. If we didn't have as many immigrants as we do, there would be lots of jobs. British jobs=British workers
That makes 2 of us who may be wrong then. ;) :y
Emmm thats 3 of us then :y
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I may wrong by saying what i say, but ill stand by it. If we didn't have as many immigrants as we do, there would be lots of jobs. British jobs=British workers
That makes 2 of us who may be wrong then. ;) :y
Emmm thats 3 of us then :y
make that 4 :y
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Argh, this winds me up. The government is 'restructuring' benefits to get a million people back into work. What complete fukwits! A million jobs are going to magically appear, especially with the economy the way that it is?!? I completely agree with encouraging people to work, but this is insane! >:(
Yes, I saw there was another thread but it is 3 pages long and I'm too cross to read the whole thing. :P
the thing is, its all bout the figures, they may be reconstructing the benefits, they will reconstruct the benefits in such a way that it hides the true amount of people on the dole, ie, say 1 million on dole, but recatagorise 100,00 as a different benefit, there for the figures look better, the fikwuts look better on paper, the problem is the wool is not thick enough to cover our eyes any more, the only way forward for the government is thru the exit. at the end of the day, you cant compensate for the lazy bastards of this world, there are the jobs out there, and there are more than enough jobs for every one in this country, its the lazy sods that just want to spend years on the dole, also there are the junkies, imho, if you are put out of work then ok thats rough but then most people would look and get a new job, imho, any one who is on the dole for more than 2 month is either not looking or totally unemployable, at which point i would make them do work in the community, paint fences or do the gardens of the elderly, quite frankly i dont care if it sounds draconion but thats me, get tough and be tough, life is not a free ride. :(
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I may wrong by saying what i say, but ill stand by it. If we didn't have as many immigrants as we do, there would be lots of jobs. British jobs=British workers
well said that man !!!
infact is it not illegal to say things like that now cos is that not racist or something
Doug
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I may wrong by saying what i say, but ill stand by it. If we didn't have as many immigrants as we do, there would be lots of jobs. British jobs=British workers
The sentiment might be correct -- but the fact is that the British Yoof don't want to work --- lets face it -- if all those unemployed were actually wanting to work there would be NO vacancies advertised in the job centres, recruitment agencies or papers -- the JOBS are there -- the british workers are not !!!! Hence the immigrants come over and take those jobs which we apparently do not want !!!!!
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I may wrong by saying what i say, but ill stand by it. If we didn't have as many immigrants as we do, there would be lots of jobs. British jobs=British workers
and apprentaships for the kids too, i dont think they have any future in this country now, they used to be able to get part time jobs at 14, nothing to look forward to when they leave school except jobs in supermarkets
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I don't know what the job situation is like in Britain now but suspect it is going to get worse i.e. less jobs available before it gets better.
The Spanish system has merit but I don't know if it would work in Britain. Here you do community works for 15 days each year for example. That work is organised by the local mayor (every village or town has one) and includes work like:
cleaning out gutters, painting the village hall, repairing village hall boundary walls, improving roadside gutters by laying concrete and so on. I believe that the locals get the chance to make suggestions of what could be done.
the next large village has a flotilla of women who take the elderly out for walks, do house visits, cleaning and fetching shopping.
The reason i don't think it would work in Britain is the community spirit is a bit lacking and people would see it as some sort of "prison sentence" rather than an opportunity to do some good for the community.
varche
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there is no community spirit any more, its more of everyman for himself i think, and i reckon thats how the gvt like it,spying on yer neighbours, grass someone up if there doing something, cameras everywhere, no trust anymore,dont want people, to get on, or stand together as it could be a threat, like the strikes were yrs ago
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I may wrong by saying what i say, but ill stand by it. If we didn't have as many immigrants as we do, there would be lots of jobs. British jobs=British workers
Totally agree & True should have been sorted out at least 10yrs ago !
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Argh, this winds me up. The government is 'restructuring' benefits to get a million people back into work. What complete fukwits! A million jobs are going to magically appear, especially with the economy the way that it is?!? I completely agree with encouraging people to work, but this is insane! >:(
Yes, I saw there was another thread but it is 3 pages long and I'm too cross to read the whole thing. :P
Maybe its me! But what actually attracted you to our country in the first place? Was it our get people back to work strategies or the fact that not being native means you automatically qualify for a job! :-?
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I may wrong by saying what i say, but ill stand by it. If we didn't have as many immigrants as we do, there would be lots of jobs. British jobs=British workers
It's an interesting point and I can understand why so many people agree, but could I just ask one question; why did we have no hand car washes till the immigrants started them :-X
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I may wrong by saying what i say, but ill stand by it. If we didn't have as many immigrants as we do, there would be lots of jobs. British jobs=British workers
It's an interesting point and I can understand why so many people agree, but could I just ask one question; why did we have no hand car washes till the immigrants started them :-X
I used a hand carwash on sun for the first time, they did a really great job for 6 quid but i sat through the whole wash feeling crap cos i complain about them being here yet here i am using there services. A first and last!
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I may wrong by saying what i say, but ill stand by it. If we didn't have as many immigrants as we do, there would be lots of jobs. British jobs=British workers
well said that man !!!
infact is it not illegal to say things like that now cos is that not racist or something
Doug
Racist, no that's one thing i'm not. I have a friend that is Polish, i helped him get a mortgage & he works hard, his wife & lad are here too & they're very happy. My gripe is with the government for not putting a cap on how many we allow in, other european countries have done this. We should have conditions in place that state when times are as they are now if you don't have ties to this country you must go back. How much does it cost a week for me to be unemployed? They pay my coucil tax, JSA, my mortgage is paid by an insurance company & then there's all the behind the scenes costs. If a migrant worker is out of a job, he/she doesn't get any of this, it's either work or get nothing. This is my point.
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I may wrong by saying what i say, but ill stand by it. If we didn't have as many immigrants as we do, there would be lots of jobs. British jobs=British workers
well said that man !!!
infact is it not illegal to say things like that now cos is that not racist or something
Doug
Racist, no that's one thing i'm not. I have a friend that is Polish, i helped him get a mortgage & he works hard, his wife & lad are here too & they're very happy. My gripe is with the government for not putting a cap on how many we allow in, other european countries have done this. We should have conditions in place that state when times are as they are now if you don't have ties to this country you must go back. How much does it cost a week for me to be unemployed? They pay my coucil tax, JSA, my mortgage is paid by an insurance company & then there's all the behind the scenes costs. If a migrant worker is out of a job, he/she doesn't get any of this, it's either work or get nothing. This is my point.
immigrants actually contribute in tax a lot more than they cost the government, and as has previously been stated by Holy Count, they take jobs that for some reason brits don't want - with the upcoming recession, you'll see a lot of migrant workers leaving anyway.
i've never seen the argument that "they come over here and take our jobs" no they don't, generally they either take jobs its proven we don't want, create jobs, or do a better job for less money - i thought all you right wing loonies were into your free market capitalist approach? ;)
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I may wrong by saying what i say, but ill stand by it. If we didn't have as many immigrants as we do, there would be lots of jobs. British jobs=British workers
well said that man !!!
infact is it not illegal to say things like that now cos is that not racist or something
Doug
Racist, no that's one thing i'm not. I have a friend that is Polish, i helped him get a mortgage & he works hard, his wife & lad are here too & they're very happy. My gripe is with the government for not putting a cap on how many we allow in, other european countries have done this. We should have conditions in place that state when times are as they are now if you don't have ties to this country you must go back. How much does it cost a week for me to be unemployed? They pay my coucil tax, JSA, my mortgage is paid by an insurance company & then there's all the behind the scenes costs. If a migrant worker is out of a job, he/she doesn't get any of this, it's either work or get nothing. This is my point.
immigrants actually contribute in tax a lot more than they cost the government, and as has previously been stated by Holy Count, they take jobs that for some reason brits don't want - with the upcoming recession, you'll see a lot of migrant workers leaving anyway.
i've never seen the argument that "they come over here and take our jobs" no they don't, generally they either take jobs its proven we don't want, create jobs, or do a better job for less money - i thought all you right wing loonies were into your free market capitalist approach? ;)
When i worked for my previous employer we had alot of migrant workers. Most, not all, but most save up a high percentage their wages over a few months & then sent or took it home with them. So we are talking millions a year being taken out of our economy, how is this good for the economy?????
Back to the original question & part of your response, yes they may well do jobs that we don't want to do, so we make the long term unemployed take these jobs & contribute to the economy instead of draining it. When the shit hits the fan we all duck, but who put the shit there in the first place ;)
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I may wrong by saying what i say, but ill stand by it. If we didn't have as many immigrants as we do, there would be lots of jobs. British jobs=British workers
well said that man !!!
infact is it not illegal to say things like that now cos is that not racist or something
Doug
Racist, no that's one thing i'm not. I have a friend that is Polish, i helped him get a mortgage & he works hard, his wife & lad are here too & they're very happy. My gripe is with the government for not putting a cap on how many we allow in, other european countries have done this. We should have conditions in place that state when times are as they are now if you don't have ties to this country you must go back. How much does it cost a week for me to be unemployed? They pay my coucil tax, JSA, my mortgage is paid by an insurance company & then there's all the behind the scenes costs. If a migrant worker is out of a job, he/she doesn't get any of this, it's either work or get nothing. This is my point.
immigrants actually contribute in tax a lot more than they cost the government, and as has previously been stated by Holy Count, they take jobs that for some reason brits don't want - with the upcoming recession, you'll see a lot of migrant workers leaving anyway.
i've never seen the argument that "they come over here and take our jobs" no they don't, generally they either take jobs its proven we don't want, create jobs, or do a better job for less money - i thought all you right wing loonies were into your free market capitalist approach? ;)
When i worked for my previous employer we had alot of migrant workers. Most, not all, but most save up a high percentage their wages over a few months & then sent or took it home with them. So we are talking millions a year being taken out of our economy, how is this good for the economy?????Back to the original question & part of your response, yes they may well do jobs that we don't want to do, so we make the long term unemployed take these jobs & contribute to the economy instead of draining it. When the shit hits the fan we all duck, but who put the shit there in the first place ;)
I can see where you are coming from on that point Pete, but just think deeper about what you are saying. :D
All of us are entitled to do what we want with our money, including those with relatives in other countries. Let's face it do any of us worry about buying "foreign" goods (if that is clear cut anyway in this globalised world we live in?! ::) ::)) with our money, like German motor cars or washing appliances, or French made cars and glassware, or even the basic petrol we put into our tanks, and of course the "foreign" holiday?!
When we do that BILLIONS, not just a few million, are going to people outside our country and therefore our economy! ::) ::) ::) ::) The days of all of us "Buying British" and keeping our money 100% circulating in our economy (which never actually happened!), providing British people with British jobs is well past. :D ;)
But conversely our economy earns TRILLIONS by way of "foreign" investors pouring money (well they were!! ::) ::)) into our economy through our financial services and banking industry, let alone to create and run factories in Great Britain. :D :D ;)
So let's put everything into some perspective; global trade is precisely that and it is just plainly madness to think in the pre-WWII mindset of "only for the British Empire".
We the British, created by at least 2,000 years of immigration, and migration, are part of the world and must remain so to survive.
Where would we be now if the USA, Japan, China, etc., all had an isolationist policy and bought nothing from any other industrial country especially the UK? We would be as bankrupt as we were at the end of 1945, waiting to be bailed out by the Americans!
We must trade with the rest of the world and except a proportion of migration of the world's people's; it is healthy and can bring this country a lot of skills and trade that we must have. :) :) ;)
Yes, there must be some controls as we have only so much space available, but what makes us think that everyone, if they can, want to come to Britain? How arrogant and patently wrong is that! :o :o