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Title: Blackberry, or?
Post by: theolodian on 19 December 2008, 18:44:34
I want to be able to check my work email when away from the computer.  I currently have a Nokia 6300.  I suppose there are ways to check email on it, but is it tolerable to do it that way?

How much is a Blackberry contract?  Is there pay as you go for these things?  What are other options?  Prefer not to get an iPhone.  This would likely be in addition to my current phone, would not use it as a phone unless it is as compact as the 6300.

Also can you turn off that pretentious 'sent from my Blackberry/iPhone' cr@p?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: nick v6 on 19 December 2008, 18:54:44
dont know if this will be of any help to you

http://www.blackberry-phone.co.uk/
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: theolodian on 19 December 2008, 19:08:26
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dont know if this will be of any help to you

http://www.blackberry-phone.co.uk/
I'm still trying to decipher it.  Really difficult to figure out what the actual cost is.
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: tunnie on 19 December 2008, 19:16:27
i too had a Nokia 6300, its a great 'phone phone' but it lacks features.

I have a Blackberry 8800 from work and its shite! It constantly crashes, its not user friendly.

Also are you pals with your IT dept? You will need a subscription to blackberrys servers as they actually push the mail down to the handsets, your exchange server basically sends it to them (RIM) and they forward it to the handset. I personally think their handsets are shite, the new touch screen one is bloody awful!

I now have an old HTC TyTn, which has been updated to use Windows Mobile 6, i find it excellent, it syncs directly with exchange at work, syncs all my contacts appointments and e-mails, looks same as outlook, you can easily set which folders to download, and file size limits.

It syncs either over 3G / GPRS / Wifi, it also supports direct push, so the instant you get a mail its pushed to your work PC and WM6 device.

It has a slide out full qwerty keyboard, easy to use, fast, i have Skype on it msn, supports picture messages, it does everything. I am also running TomTom on it.

The later TyTn II's have GPS built in, the new daddy is the HTC Touch Pro, which has a 3D engine capable CPU, allows 'gesters' on the touch screen, flicking and so on.

I would strongly look at the HTC Touch Pro  :y
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: tunnie on 19 December 2008, 19:17:22
oh cost wise... its about £30 a month or so for the contract, but if you want RIM connection (which you do for mails) add another £15 or so!

Its ok if its provided by your company, but sucks for individual ownership
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: STMO123 on 19 December 2008, 19:23:18
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oh cost wise... its about £30 a month or so for the contract, but if you want RIM connection (which you do for mails) add another £15 or so!

Its ok if its provided by your company, but sucks for individual ownership

Hmm...my wife cant wait to start her new job so she can get her hands on a blackberry. I reckon she's gonna be disappointed.
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: theolodian on 19 December 2008, 19:26:00
Thanks Tunnie!

Another guy at work has the Blackberry software on his PC.  You have to leave the PC on.  My worry more is the costs like you said.

It would be ideal to just pop emails onto a Windows phone.  I'll look into that more.
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: tunnie on 19 December 2008, 19:35:32
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Thanks Tunnie!

Another guy at work has the Blackberry software on his PC.  You have to leave the PC on.  My worry more is the costs like you said.

It would be ideal to just pop emails onto a Windows phone.  I'll look into that more.

Thats the other option, which i believe is free, tbh i am not quite sure how it all works, Blackberrys just make everything so complicated, the GUI is just a nightmare.

The PC option i think means the PC always has to be on and send the mail on, the other option is 'BES' mention that to your IT Dept. Its the "Blackberry Enterprise Server' this software links exchange accounts to the handsets, its also worth remembering a company has to buy a license for every blackberry it uses on BES! Not sure who you work for, but the really big companies get Site licenses, but most just go for the packs (10 users/ 50 users) and so on.
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: Kevin Wood on 19 December 2008, 21:35:03
Blackberry either poll your mail server for mails and push them to your phone (OK if your mail server is accessible from the internet, and your desktop isn't downloading the mails, no use for corporate mail unless your IT guys specifically support it) or they install an agent on your desktop machine which forwards mail to Blackberry.

Can't say I'm a fan of them myself and the user interface is very early'90's IMHO, but they're like Marmite.

6300 has a mail client built in. Never used it myself. However, if your mail server is corporate and not accessible from the internet without a VPN, etc. you'll be out of luck.

Kevin
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 19 December 2008, 21:43:23
I am currently trialing a system at work for pushing email to a standard phone with flash support (an SE K800 in my case).....works VERY well!
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: Bandit127 on 19 December 2008, 22:25:45
Been using them for about 5 years and I wouldn't use anything else now.

Mostly, they are a phone. And they do it well. You can have a conference call round the speakerphone if you want, for example.

Secondly, they are a messaging device. And the QWERTY keyboard workls a treat IMO. Despite it workng with work's Exchange server, email gets to the BB before my laptop, every time.

Lastly, robust. Mine gets a reasonably tough time and it's wearing much better than any Nokia I've had.
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: Jay w on 19 December 2008, 23:59:06
i have used a 8800, 8100, currently i have a bold and a storm.....

All of them have been 100% reliable, never crashed and have proved to be a godsend.

Orange charge me £2 a month for BIS and unlimited data.....

TBH i wouldn't have anything else

I have had a TYTN II, constantly crashed and the GPS was useless, that was the nail in the coffin for me and windows devices
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: r1 on 20 December 2008, 00:09:13
8100 no proplems
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: Leomas on 20 December 2008, 00:28:48
Recently upgraded from my 8800 to a Bold and as happy as I was with the old one, I aqm even more happy with the new one. I use a BES server to route mail from my Domino/Notes server to my Bold and it works very well. As mentioned above, the mail routes through very rapidly.
If it is for work email then only the IT bods can do this for you and most places will only hook in work supplied kit.
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: BigAl on 20 December 2008, 00:38:26
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I want to be able to check my work email when away from the computer.  I currently have a Nokia 6300.  I suppose there are ways to check email on it, but is it tolerable to do it that way?

How much is a Blackberry contract?
My understanding is something like this has to be driven from you're IT dept. unless you set up rules to forward mail to the email address of your handset
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: theolodian on 20 December 2008, 11:47:56
Thanks guys.  I can set up a Blackberry or other push program from my desktop PC.  I can also POP email or use webmail.  

I will look into email on the 6300 more.  Another possibility is a mobile data card since I have a 10" netbook.  Was hoping to do a 12 month contract at most though.
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: CaptainZok on 20 December 2008, 11:53:17
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Thanks guys.  I can set up a Blackberry or other push program from my desktop PC.  I can also POP email or use webmail.  

I will look into email on the 6300 more.  Another possibility is a mobile data card since I have a 10" netbook.  Was hoping to do a 12 month contract at most though.
The likes of PC World will give you a new netbook if you take out a data contract Theo.
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: TheBoy on 20 December 2008, 12:08:00
For syncing with Exchange, a Windows based phone is hard to beat.  If you are used to, and like Blackberries, and have a BES/RIM server, then stick to that.  Windows based phones are 'familiar', though I find the Smartphone Windows ones, like Symbian smartphones, a PITA, so I always use touchscreen ones.

I've gone for a Windows phone with a slide out qwerty keyboard, and happily sacrifice the extra bulk for the ease of use, but each to their own.
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: Derek_in_Penzance on 20 December 2008, 13:28:24
I have had a Storm for three weeks. Coming from a ten-year old Mokia 6110, it was quite a culture shock, what with all the features that smartphones in general now have. The virtual keyboard takes a bit of getting used to but I can now type on it as fast and (in)accurately as I ever did on my Nokia. The big screen offers fantastic picture quality for watching DVD movies transferred from the PC.

I bought it because a) the Vodafone contract offered unlimited 'net access, push email, unlimited phone calls, and 250 texts for only fractionally more than my monthly Nokia cost. However the main reason was so that I can stay in touch with eBay customers when on the move, either through email or vi eBay itself on the phone.

The push email is a doddle to set up and works perfectly. The phone checks my normal email address (ie the one I use for my PC at the office ) server every 15 minutes. If it finds email that has not already been downloaded by my PC, it sends it to the phone. It then checks again every few minutes. If it finds no more emails during the next 15 minutes, it reverts to the once-per-15 minute check.  

The Storm has had a bad press so far, because it was launched prematurely and the first ones in customer hands were buggy. Many people can't get on with the "press" touch screen. But I like it, and you soon get used to it. There have been two, maybe three software updates that have fixed most of the initial complaints and ironed out bugs. Also, virtually everything on the phone can be altered to suit your preference, including the responsiveness of the touch screen. So much of the initial negativity was -and is -down to simply not learning how to use it. The BB forums are full of ranting users asking questions to problems that are easily solved if they simply bother to read the user manual.

I can't say whether the Storm is better or worse than other smartphones as I have absolutely no experience of anything other than my ancient 6110 (which btw was a brilliant phone in its day, which is why I've kept it so long!). All I can say is that I'm coming to love it as much as my trusty Nokia, and outside of business use I am finding it brilliant for listening to music, watching YouTube videos and a Lord of the Rings DVD!
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: Derek_in_Penzance on 20 December 2008, 13:35:45
Oh, I meant to say that if my office PC is switched off, and thus not downloading emails, they all get sent to the BB.

So during working hours when I am in the office, with the PC on, most emails are not sent to the BB. Some end up on it, if Outlook Express has been closed for some reason or switched off before an email gets a chance to be downloaded. When the PC is off, in other words when I am away from work, all the emails get sent to my BB. However, those emails also get sent to the PC as soon as it is switched on (unless via the BB I have deleted them at the server).

I think I've got this right -it's taken a few weeks to figure out -but if any techies out there know otherwise please correct me.
Title: Re: Blackberry, or?
Post by: theolodian on 20 December 2008, 13:39:29
Thanks again guys.  The thing is that I don't want to replace my current phone, so this would be a second device.

(Unless I get it working on my current phone.  Don't seem to have the POP settings right yet.)

I don't need to worry about a lot of email, making more than a quick reply, etc.  I also don't need to carry it very often, so a mobile data card would also work despite the lappy being complete overkill otherwise.  Whatever's cheap and simple . . .   :P