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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Cliffo B on 01 January 2009, 23:04:41
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:y :yplease does anybody know what the M stands for in MV6?? I had it explained to be Manual V6 but after looking out for confirmation for the last 6 years since I ran one. I'm still not sure.The need to know is not desperate,simply its something all enthusiasts surely should know.
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I thought it means manual aswell.
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Number of explanations, most popular is either Multivalve (thats the prime contender) or Motorsport.... ;)
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Miggy.....V6.............. ::) ::) ::)
Sorry........ :-X
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.....and I thought it stood for "Motor Sport" ::) ::) ::)
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Mullered ;D
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Miggy.....V6.............. ::) ::) ::)
Sorry........ :-X
BOOM................................... ::)
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Mullered ;D
Jinks, now look what youve done..... Gone and let CoCo out the bag without his white face makeup.... ;D :y
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Mullered ;D
Jinks, now look what youve done..... Gone and let CoCo out the bag without his white face makeup.... ;D :y
;D ;D
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Oh dear!! looks like nobody realy can say. So it would seem to be down to what choices are in your own mind. WOW that would appear to be rich and varied. I'll opt for multivalve although mullered brought a smile.Oooooooo,And so soooooree about CoCo.
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Oh dear!! looks like nobody realy can say. So it would seem to be down to what choices are in your own mind. WOW that would appear to be rich and varied. I'll opt for multivalve although mullered brought a smile.Oooooooo,And so soooooree about CoCo.
No probs, but bet your not!! ;D ;D ;D
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Oh dear!! looks like nobody realy can say. So it would seem to be down to what choices are in your own mind. .........
What do any model name mean? Delux, Elite, Comfort, GSE/GSi etc etc ;) ;) ;) :y
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Oh dear!! looks like nobody realy can say. So it would seem to be down to what choices are in your own mind. .........
What do any model name mean? Delux, Elite, Comfort, GSE/GSi etc etc ;) ;) ;) :y
Chap was asking what the 'M' in MV6 stands for....
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Chap was asking what the 'M' in MV6 stands for....
I read the initial question. :P I was just pointing out that the M might not actually stand for anything as the other terms mean opps all too! :P :P
It's unlikely to be owt specific, as the MV6 in Continental Europe is the same spec as our Elite.
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Chap was asking what the 'M' in MV6 stands for....
I read the initial question. :P I was just pointing out that the M might not actually stand for anything as the other terms mean opps all too! :P :P
It's unlikely to be owt specific, as the MV6 in Continental Europe is the same spec as our Elite.
Very valid point, originally GT meant Gran Tourisme (or some such franglais) and was only applied to large touring cars which were a bit sporty like Bentley Continentals or DB2s, modern equivalent would be something like the big Volvos or the Chrysler/SAAB thingy...these days it gets used as sporty (in their dreams) and can even be seen on 'super-minis'. What they used to mean and what they are used for seem to have lost any link.
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Chap was asking what the 'M' in MV6 stands for....
I read the initial question. :P I was just pointing out that the M might not actually stand for anything as the other terms mean opps all too! :P :P
It's unlikely to be owt specific, as the MV6 in Continental Europe is the same spec as our Elite.
Very valid point, originally GT meant Gran Tourisme (or some such franglais) and was only applied to large touring cars which were a bit sporty like Bentley Continentals or DB2s, modern equivalent would be something like the big Volvos or the Chrysler/SAAB thingy...these days it gets used as sporty (in their dreams) and can even be seen on 'super-minis'. What they used to mean and what they are used for seem to have lost any link.
Cobblers ::) GT means, Cortina, Hunter, Mini with suped up bits and Rally heritage, nothing as flash as you suggest ::)
I agree that nowadays means little.............. :y
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MV6 = Motorsport V6
SRi = Sport Ralley injection
GSE = Grand Special einspritzung
GTE = Grand Touren einspritzung
GTi = Grand touren injection
GL = Grand Luxus
GLS = Grand Luxus Speciale
L = Luxus
VXR = VauXhall Rallye
MX3/5 = Mazda eXperimental
RX7/8 = Rotary eXperimental
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Chap was asking what the 'M' in MV6 stands for....
I read the initial question. :P I was just pointing out that the M might not actually stand for anything as the other terms mean opps all too! :P :P
It's unlikely to be owt specific, as the MV6 in Continental Europe is the same spec as our Elite.
Very valid point, originally GT meant Gran Tourisme (or some such franglais) and was only applied to large touring cars which were a bit sporty like Bentley Continentals or DB2s, modern equivalent would be something like the big Volvos or the Chrysler/SAAB thingy...these days it gets used as sporty (in their dreams) and can even be seen on 'super-minis'. What they used to mean and what they are used for seem to have lost any link.
Cobblers ::) GT means, Cortina, Hunter, Mini with suped up bits and Rally heritage, nothing as flash as you suggest ::)
I agree that nowadays means little.............. :y
Youngsters today....no respect for ther elders mumble mumble.....
definition of a Grand Touring car was [ch8220]a road going lightweight semi-luxurious coupe built on a high performance chassis.[ch8221]
...mutter mutter buggrit millenium hand and shrimp
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I thought the "M" was for Motorsport too :)
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its an omega m must be for might work/might not. ;D ;D ;D
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Motorsport V6 was the official line
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MV6 = Motorsport V6
SRi = Sport Ralley injection
GSE = Grand Special einspritzung
GTE = Grand Touren einspritzung
GTi = Grand touren injection
GL = Grand Luxus
GLS = Grand Luxus Speciale
L = Luxus
VXR = VauXhall Rallye
MX3/5 = Mazda eXperimental
RX7/8 = Rotary eXperimental
In England from the 1970s when all this special category badge, purely sales orientated, exercise really started, after the GT's of the 1960s, motorists classed each as follows in English:
GT - Grand Tourer
SRi - Sports Racer injection
GSE - Grand Sports Executive
GTE - Grand Tourer Executive
TGi - Grand Tourer injection
GL - Grand Luxury
GLS - Grand Luxury Sport
L - Luxury
Anything without one of these badges was classed as "basic", which by the 1980s we didn't want! ::).
The great achievement of this wonderful sales orientated initiative, led mainly by Ford at the time with their Cortina's, Escort's, Consul's, Granada's, Capri's, etc, as the leading volume car manufacturer in at least Britain, was that customers traded up to a badged model, rather than be seen in a "basic" version, which on your drive and more importantly in the Company car park, in Thatcher's Britain, was damaging to your perceived status in life. ::) ::) ::) Initially the men were far worse than the women at this, but we soon caught up!! ;D ;D ;D ;)
Now you cannot imagine motoring life without these precious badges, that still indicate to others the perceived quality of your car, and your status in life.
I certainly treasure my V6CDX badge, but would love to have a V12 Elite (if there was such an animal!! ;D ;D ;)), so Thatcher lives on; power, status, money, property owning for all! ;D ;D ;)
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Oh dear!! looks like nobody realy can say. So it would seem to be down to what choices are in your own mind. .........
What do any model name mean? Delux, Elite, Comfort, GSE/GSi etc etc ;) ;) ;) :y
And I could only suggest that Elite means The Best or The Ultimate.....
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MV6 = Motorsport V6
SRi = Sport Ralley injection
GSE = Grand Special einspritzung
GTE = Grand Touren einspritzung
GTi = Grand touren injection
GL = Grand Luxus
GLS = Grand Luxus Speciale
L = Luxus
VXR = VauXhall Rallye
MX3/5 = Mazda eXperimental
RX7/8 = Rotary eXperimental
Toyota's MR2 = Mid-engine Rear wheel drive, 2-seater
which is fine for everywhere apart from France where MR2 is pronounced "merde" ;D
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MV6 = Motorsport V6
SRi = Sport Ralley injection
GSE = Grand Special einspritzung
GTE = Grand Touren einspritzung
GTi = Grand touren injection
GL = Grand Luxus
GLS = Grand Luxus Speciale
L = Luxus
VXR = VauXhall Rallye
MX3/5 = Mazda eXperimental
RX7/8 = Rotary eXperimental
Toyota's MR2 = Mid-engine Rear wheel drive, 2-seater
which is fine for everywhere apart from France where MR2 is pronounced "merde" ;D
similar to what it's called over here then. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?
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MV6 = Motorsport V6
SRi = Sport Ralley injection
GSE = Grand Special einspritzung
GTE = Grand Touren einspritzung
GTi = Grand touren injection
GL = Grand Luxus
GLS = Grand Luxus Speciale
L = Luxus
VXR = VauXhall Rallye
MX3/5 = Mazda eXperimental
RX7/8 = Rotary eXperimental
Toyota's MR2 = Mid-engine Rear wheel drive, 2-seater
which is fine for everywhere apart from France where MR2 is pronounced "merde" ;D
similar to what it's called over here then. ;D ;D ;D ;D
ah - they're cute - bit of a squeeze the Mk1, Mk2 was nice looking - Mk3 looks terrible
on the subject of car names fact fans - remember the Triumph Acclaim?
in German that translates as "Zieg Heil" :o
Vauxhall Nova in Spanish means "won't go" :D
Ford Pinto in Brazil translates as "small dick" - didn't sell too well there :y :y
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So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?
My understanding something on the lines of Company Director
Lizzy the E in GTE and GSE was always German for Injection = Einspritzung
Italian Convertibles are not referred to as cabriolets or convertibles, they are referred to as Spiders
GTV = Gtande Tourismo Veloce
GTA = Grande Tourismo Arpeggio
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So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?
My understanding something on the lines of Company Director
Lizzy the E in GTE and GSE was always German for Injection = Einspritzung
Italian Convertibles are not referred to as cabriolets or convertibles, they are referred to as Spiders
GTV = Gtande Tourismo Veloce
GTA = Grande Tourismo Arpeggio
Sorry Jay, but not on the GTE's I knew, because they didn't have injectors but carburetors, hence they were Grand Tourer Executives, "Executive" being the key word in the late 1970s and 1980 Thatcher Britain, like "Executive Houses"; "Executive Hotel Rooms", etc, we had "Executive cars" to reflect our 'status'. ::) ::)
It may well be that later, in Germany the 'E' meant something else, but not on the American based Ford cars like MKIII Cortina's and especially the earlier famous Cortina Mk2 1600E, ("Executive") with carburetor. ;)
EDIT: If you have any doubt about that historical fact Jay, go to:
http://www.fordcortina.org.uk/cortinapage2.htm
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Further to my other post, an extract from the Ford enthusiast web site quoted I just couldn't resist as it is about one, if not my sole, all time favourite cars, the aforementioned Cortina Mk2 1600E! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* ;)
Ford Promotional (From Australia) picture showing probably the most popular Cortina ever. Note the low suspension and huge, by 1960's standards, chrome wheels.
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/1600e1large.jpg)
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/1600ebdg.gif)
The badge that said it all, the E stood for executive !
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I like the concept of "Dynamic" applied to the Fiat Panda.
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So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?
My understanding something on the lines of Company Director
Lizzy the E in GTE and GSE was always German for Injection = Einspritzung
Italian Convertibles are not referred to as cabriolets or convertibles, they are referred to as Spiders
GTV = Gtande Tourismo Veloce
GTA = Grande Tourismo Arpeggio
Sorry Jay, but not on the GTE's I knew, because they didn't have injectors but carburetors, hence they were Grand Tourer Executives, "Executive" being the key word in the late 1970s and 1980 Thatcher Britain, like "Executive Houses"; "Executive Hotel Rooms", etc, we had "Executive cars" to reflect our 'status'. ::) ::)
It may well be that later, in Germany the 'E' meant something else, but not on the American based Ford cars like MKIII Cortina's and especially the earlier famous Cortina Mk2 1600E, ("Executive") with carburetor. ;)
EDIT: If you have any doubt about that historical fact Jay, go to:
http://www.fordcortina.org.uk/cortinapage2.htm
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the Cotinta 1600E was just that, it was an Executive, yes i agree, but there was never reference to the E being a GT car, whilst it had some GT spec
But GT/E or GS/E was not used until the late 70's/early 80's by GM/Opel/Vauxhall, and they were injected cars, the E being Injection in German
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So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?
CD = Civil Diplomat
CDX = Civil Diplomat Extra ;) ;)
This came into vogue with Vauxhall in the 1980s when they thought "Executive" had been over used, and "Diplomat" (Carlton) then CD, "Civil Diplomat" on later Carltons / Senators was far more 'upmarket' ::) ::) ::)
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So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?
My understanding something on the lines of Company Director
Lizzy the E in GTE and GSE was always German for Injection = Einspritzung
Italian Convertibles are not referred to as cabriolets or convertibles, they are referred to as Spiders
GTV = Gtande Tourismo Veloce
GTA = Grande Tourismo Arpeggio
Sorry Jay, but not on the GTE's I knew, because they didn't have injectors but carburetors, hence they were Grand Tourer Executives, "Executive" being the key word in the late 1970s and 1980 Thatcher Britain, like "Executive Houses"; "Executive Hotel Rooms", etc, we had "Executive cars" to reflect our 'status'. ::) ::)
It may well be that later, in Germany the 'E' meant something else, but not on the American based Ford cars like MKIII Cortina's and especially the earlier famous Cortina Mk2 1600E, ("Executive") with carburetor. ;)
EDIT: If you have any doubt about that historical fact Jay, go to:
http://www.fordcortina.org.uk/cortinapage2.htm
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the Cotinta 1600E was just that, it was an Executive, yes i agree, but there was never reference to the E being a GT car, whilst it had some GT spec
But GT/E or GS/E was not used until the late 70's/early 80's by GM/Opel/Vauxhall, and they were injected cars, the E being Injection in German
Why then Jay does VW and Mercedes Benz designate their cars with a "i" for injection, i.e. GTi or CDi, and the E Class stands for "Executive" in their promotional material if "E" always stands for injection?
You are also missing my point that cars have only over the last two decades been progressively becoming totally fuel injected, before then they were not, they had carburetors, but to sell them to up and coming business managers (like me at the time ;D ;D) they carried the "E" for "Executive" at least in Britain. ;) ;)
I could be wrong, but I seem to remember VW Golf GTE's going around in the late 1970s, early 1980s with carburetors, and later the GTEi was introduced. :-? :-? Whatever, The "E" in GTE certainly did not refer to injection then, although I concede it may have done in the Mk1 Astra GTE of 1983. ;) ;)
It must not be forgotten of course that GT, GLX, GTE, CD, CDX, etc, as far as the motor trade go all relate to purely the Trim Level of each car produced by each manufacturer, and even that has varied over the years! ;D ;D ;)
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So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?
CD = Civil Diplomat
CDX = Civil Diplomat Extra ;) ;)
This came into vogue with Vauxhall in the 1980s when they thought "Executive" had been over used, and "Diplomat" (Carlton) then CD, "Civil Diplomat" on later Carltons / Senators was far more 'upmarket' ::) ::) ::)
Thanx Lizzie for putting my wondering at rest, i've been wondering a long time what CD/CDX stood for.
Just for the record & if anyone wants to know. The Rover SD1 actually stood for Specialist Division 1
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So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?
CD = Civil Diplomat
CDX = Civil Diplomat Extra ;) ;)
This came into vogue with Vauxhall in the 1980s when they thought "Executive" had been over used, and "Diplomat" (Carlton) then CD, "Civil Diplomat" on later Carltons / Senators was far more 'upmarket' ::) ::) ::)
Thanx Lizzie for putting my wondering at rest, i've been wondering a long time what CD/CDX stood for.
Just for the record & if anyone wants to know. The Rover SD1 actually stood for Specialist Division 1
Well that is a good swap of info Pete, because I would not have had a clue about the Rover trim classification. 8-) 8-) :y :y
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So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?
CD = Civil Diplomat
CDX = Civil Diplomat Extra ;) ;)
This came into vogue with Vauxhall in the 1980s when they thought "Executive" had been over used, and "Diplomat" (Carlton) then CD, "Civil Diplomat" on later Carltons / Senators was far more 'upmarket' ::) ::) ::)
Thanx Lizzie for putting my wondering at rest, i've been wondering a long time what CD/CDX stood for.
Just for the record & if anyone wants to know. The Rover SD1 actually stood for Specialist Division 1
Well that is a good swap of info Pete, because I would not have had a clue about the Rover trim classification. 8-) 8-) :y :y
It wasn't the trim level, basic SD1's just had the engine size on the rear, but there was V8S, SE, Vanden Plas, Vanden Plas EFi, Vitesse, SD Turbo & probably some more that i can't think of at the moment ;)
Edit; S trim level too
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Motorsport V6
as most of the Plod Omegas were 3.0V6s and were prepphed by MSD (Motorsport Developments) They also built the Vectra GSi For GM
i thought GLS was Got Lucky Salesman ;D ;D ;D
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I think I'm qualifying for an anorak as this is getting really interesting.
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So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?
My understanding something on the lines of Company Director
Lizzy the E in GTE and GSE was always German for Injection = Einspritzung
Italian Convertibles are not referred to as cabriolets or convertibles, they are referred to as Spiders
GTV = Gtande Tourismo Veloce
GTA = Grande Tourismo Arpeggio
Sorry Jay, but not on the GTE's I knew, because they didn't have injectors but carburetors, hence they were Grand Tourer Executives, "Executive" being the key word in the late 1970s and 1980 Thatcher Britain, like "Executive Houses"; "Executive Hotel Rooms", etc, we had "Executive cars" to reflect our 'status'. ::) ::)
It may well be that later, in Germany the 'E' meant something else, but not on the American based Ford cars like MKIII Cortina's and especially the earlier famous Cortina Mk2 1600E, ("Executive") with carburetor. ;)
EDIT: If you have any doubt about that historical fact Jay, go to:
http://www.fordcortina.org.uk/cortinapage2.htm
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the Cotinta 1600E was just that, it was an Executive, yes i agree, but there was never reference to the E being a GT car, whilst it had some GT spec
But GT/E or GS/E was not used until the late 70's/early 80's by GM/Opel/Vauxhall, and they were injected cars, the E being Injection in German
Why then Jay does VW and Mercedes Benz designate their cars with a "i" for injection, i.e. GTi or CDi, and the E Class stands for "Executive" in their promotional material if "E" always stands for injection?
You are also missing my point that cars have only over the last two decades been progressively becoming totally fuel injected, before then they were not, they had carburetors, but to sell them to up and coming business managers (like me at the time ;D ;D) they carried the "E" for "Executive" at least in Britain. ;) ;)
I could be wrong, but I seem to remember VW Golf GTE's going around in the late 1970s, early 1980s with carburetors, and later the GTEi was introduced. :-? :-? Whatever, The "E" in GTE certainly did not refer to injection then, although I concede it may have done in the Mk1 Astra GTE of 1983. ;) ;)
It must not be forgotten of course that GT, GLX, GTE, CD, CDX, etc, as far as the motor trade go all relate to purely the Trim Level of each car produced by each manufacturer, and even that has varied over the years! ;D ;D ;)
the point i was trying to make was, within the GT/E GS/E badge the E denoted it was an injected car, this was a throwback from Opel.
Today that is still used in some instances, however the E class of the Mecedies is a class, by definition an entire model type, not just a sporty edition.
There have been models in the past provided by various car maunfacturers in the 70's that had a E badge on the, Chevette has an ES model, an Economy special, the point with the E=Injection argument was specifically relevant to GT/E and GS/E (both sporty models with the GM range)
VW never did a GTE, they did the the range for the golf was L, GL, GLS, Driver, and GTI. GM had copyright on GTE in the same way VW had it on GTI
If there was a GT/E GS/E badge on any Vauxhall/Opel then it was a fuel injected car, trust me on this one, i worked for Vauxhall throught the 80's and into the 90's ;) as well as being a big VW and Mini nut during that time as well
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So still on the same thread, what does CD and CDX stand for?
My understanding something on the lines of Company Director
Lizzy the E in GTE and GSE was always German for Injection = Einspritzung
Italian Convertibles are not referred to as cabriolets or convertibles, they are referred to as Spiders
GTV = Gtande Tourismo Veloce
GTA = Grande Tourismo Arpeggio
Sorry Jay, but not on the GTE's I knew, because they didn't have injectors but carburetors, hence they were Grand Tourer Executives, "Executive" being the key word in the late 1970s and 1980 Thatcher Britain, like "Executive Houses"; "Executive Hotel Rooms", etc, we had "Executive cars" to reflect our 'status'. ::) ::)
It may well be that later, in Germany the 'E' meant something else, but not on the American based Ford cars like MKIII Cortina's and especially the earlier famous Cortina Mk2 1600E, ("Executive") with carburetor. ;)
EDIT: If you have any doubt about that historical fact Jay, go to:
http://www.fordcortina.org.uk/cortinapage2.htm
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the Cotinta 1600E was just that, it was an Executive, yes i agree, but there was never reference to the E being a GT car, whilst it had some GT spec
But GT/E or GS/E was not used until the late 70's/early 80's by GM/Opel/Vauxhall, and they were injected cars, the E being Injection in German
Why then Jay does VW and Mercedes Benz designate their cars with a "i" for injection, i.e. GTi or CDi, and the E Class stands for "Executive" in their promotional material if "E" always stands for injection?
You are also missing my point that cars have only over the last two decades been progressively becoming totally fuel injected, before then they were not, they had carburetors, but to sell them to up and coming business managers (like me at the time ;D ;D) they carried the "E" for "Executive" at least in Britain. ;) ;)
I could be wrong, but I seem to remember VW Golf GTE's going around in the late 1970s, early 1980s with carburetors, and later the GTEi was introduced. :-? :-? Whatever, The "E" in GTE certainly did not refer to injection then, although I concede it may have done in the Mk1 Astra GTE of 1983. ;) ;)
It must not be forgotten of course that GT, GLX, GTE, CD, CDX, etc, as far as the motor trade go all relate to purely the Trim Level of each car produced by each manufacturer, and even that has varied over the years! ;D ;D ;)
the point i was trying to make was, within the GT/E GS/E badge the E denoted it was an injected car, this was a throwback from Opel.
Today that is still used in some instances, however the E class of the Mecedies is a class, by definition an entire model type, not just a sporty edition.
There have been models in the past provided by various car maunfacturers in the 70's that had a E badge on the, Chevette has an ES model, an Economy special, the point with the E=Injection argument was specifically relevant to GT/E and GS/E (both sporty models with the GM range)
VW never did a GTE, they did the the range for the golf was L, GL, GLS, Driver, and GTI. GM had copyright on GTE in the same way VW had it on GTI
If there was a GT/E GS/E badge on any Vauxhall/Opel then it was a fuel injected car, trust me on this one, i worked for Vauxhall throught the 80's and into the 90's ;) as well as being a big VW and Mini nut during that time as well
Maybe, but I drove them from 1980 to current ;D ;D ;D, and if "E" was as you say for injection on any Vx why was my Cavalier SRi not SRE, or the Carlton GSi not a GSE?? :-? :-?
The "i" is used universally on cars, including German models like VW, Mercedes, BMW to denote "injection", not "E" which believe me since the late 1960s/1970s,when I started driving, denoted "Executive" on non-injected cars, and as now the GLS, GTE, GL. GT, L, LX, E, etc, etc purely specified the cars trim level, for the sales reasons stated before, and had nothing to do with the engine specification. ;) ;)
You obviously hold to your understanding Jay, but I hold with mine that I have confirmed by going through the internet and checking various manufacturers, enthusiast, and general sites ;D ;D ;D
If you can find a direct reference to "E" being for anything but "Executive" rather than for injection on any American, British or even European car I will be very interested. ;D ;D ;D ;D 8-) 8-) ;)
PS This is a great debate though Jay! :y :y
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Maybe, but I drove them from 1980 to current ;D ;D ;D, and if "E" was as you say for injection on any Vx why was my Cavalier SRi not SRE, or the Carlton GSi not a GSE?? :-? :-?
The "i" is used universally on cars, including German models like VW, Mercedes, BMW to denote "injection", not "E" which believe me since the late 1960s/1970s,when I started driving, denoted "Executive" on non-injected cars, and as now the GLS, GTE, GL. GT, L, LX, E, etc, etc purely specified the cars trim level, for the sales reasons stated before, and had nothing to do with the engine specification. ;) ;)
You obviously hold to your understanding Jay, but I hold with mine that I have confirmed by going through the internet and checking various manufacturers, enthusiast, and general sites ;D ;D ;D
If you can find a direct reference to "E" being for anything but "Executive" rather than for injection on any American, British or even European car I will be very interested. ;D ;D ;D ;D 8-) 8-) ;)
PS This is a great debate though Jay! :y :y
Sorry trimmed it down a bit as it was getting a bit big :o
In Europe the Cav SRi was an Ascona SR/E, as was the Kadett (Astra) and Corsa (Nova)
Mid to late 80's Vaux were starting the change model range, this was the time when the Cav Mk3 had just been released as the GSi, and the next model Astra Was being called Astra in Europe andf the Kadett name was being dropped.
the prelude to this was Vaux taking some of the sporty badges, this was also because there were a plethora of them on the market and this was Vauxhalls way of standing out from the crowd
Today these badges dont mean as much as they did 20 years ago when fuel injection was still new and was performance oriented, but as you will remember the marketing men were having a field day back then and to develop a badge that had the GTI qudos would have been a licence to print money, 10 years ago it was VVTi systems that were the subject of hupe, today its emmissions, and i bet someone will put a spec-level type badge to that soon.....
We have gone full circle with the E, today it does denote a higher spec, BMW have SE spec cars, and nearly everyone displays an injection car with an 'i' today, but back in the 80's, if it was a GT/E or GS/E then the E meant it was injected
I have a book here that was released to Vauxhall Employees, called 'The Griffin Story' in there it makes reference to it, internet wise i will have a looky as well, as i am sure i have read it somewhere.
As you said, interesting debate with differing views
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Maybe, but I drove them from 1980 to current ;D ;D ;D, and if "E" was as you say for injection on any Vx why was my Cavalier SRi not SRE, or the Carlton GSi not a GSE?? :-? :-?
The "i" is used universally on cars, including German models like VW, Mercedes, BMW to denote "injection", not "E" which believe me since the late 1960s/1970s,when I started driving, denoted "Executive" on non-injected cars, and as now the GLS, GTE, GL. GT, L, LX, E, etc, etc purely specified the cars trim level, for the sales reasons stated before, and had nothing to do with the engine specification. ;) ;)
You obviously hold to your understanding Jay, but I hold with mine that I have confirmed by going through the internet and checking various manufacturers, enthusiast, and general sites ;D ;D ;D
If you can find a direct reference to "E" being for anything but "Executive" rather than for injection on any American, British or even European car I will be very interested. ;D ;D ;D ;D 8-) 8-) ;)
PS This is a great debate though Jay! :y :y
Sorry trimmed it down a bit as it was getting a bit big :o
In Europe the Cav SRi was an Ascona SR/E, as was the Kadett (Astra) and Corsa (Nova)
Mid to late 80's Vaux were starting the change model range, this was the time when the Cav Mk3 had just been released as the GSi, and the next model Astra Was being called Astra in Europe andf the Kadett name was being dropped.
the prelude to this was Vaux taking some of the sporty badges, this was also because there were a plethora of them on the market and this was Vauxhalls way of standing out from the crowd
Today these badges dont mean as much as they did 20 years ago when fuel injection was still new and was performance oriented, but as you will remember the marketing men were having a field day back then and to develop a badge that had the GTI qudos would have been a licence to print money, 10 years ago it was VVTi systems that were the subject of hupe, today its emmissions, and i bet someone will put a spec-level type badge to that soon.....
We have gone full circle with the E, today it does denote a higher spec, BMW have SE spec cars, and nearly everyone displays an injection car with an 'i' today, but back in the 80's, if it was a GT/E or GS/E then the E meant it was injected
I have a book here that was released to Vauxhall Employees, called 'The Griffin Story' in there it makes reference to it, internet wise i will have a looky as well, as i am sure i have read it somewhere.
As you said, interesting debate with differing views
Thanks for that Jay. :y :y Yes I would love any further info. on the fascinating subject! ;) ;) I will keep investigating myself. :)
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So, TR6 and TR7? What does the TR stand for. Triumph R?
What do they mean
Also the Rover SD1
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So, TR6 and TR7? What does the TR stand for. Triumph R?
What do they mean
Also the Rover SD1
CD Pete explained that in the post way above on this page Skruntie as "The Rover SD1 actually stood for Specialist Division 1" . :y :y
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So, TR6 and TR7? What does the TR stand for. Triumph R?
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Roadster? :-/ :y
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So, TR6 and TR7? What does the TR stand for. Triumph R?
What do they mean
Also the Rover SD1
R= Roadster
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Hi Lizzie! Sorry to tell you but Jay W is completely right on the subject of letter ‘E’ used in car designation. Back in the 80s it was Germans that started pushing with fuel injection on mass produced cars more than anyone else and they often marked those versions with either letter ‘i’ for injection or ‘E’ for einspritz (meaning the same but in German language). VW used ‘i’ as can be seen on Golf GTi, BMW used the same as on E30 318i, 320i etc. Mind you, you can also find an early 320 (without i), but that one had carbs, not injection, as you can guess. BMW also used ‘e’ rather than ‘E’ but their ‘e’ on 325e and 525e didn’t mean einspritz – it meant economy. Those engines were tuned to give better economy compared to standard 325i and 525i. Before Mercedes decided to use letters to refer to classes of cars their ‘E’ stood for einspritz as seen on the back of any W123, W 124 or W201 (also known as Mercedes 190). W123 and W124 could be seen with 200 at the back (2000cc, 4-cylinder, carburetor) or 200E (the same engine but + injection), 230 or 230E etc. W201 had on the left side written Mercedes 190 and on the right 2.0 or 2.0E (depending whether with carburetor or injection). Obviously there were other engine choices for it too. Audi used the same lettering as Mercedes, thus Audi 100 2.3 or Audi 100 2.3E, even though the parent company (VW) preferred English to German. Audi also used 5E a bit earlier to let people know the engine in the car is 5-cylinder with injection. Other manufacturers followed in similar way, Ford having Escort XR3 and XR3i, Opel choosing GT and GTE, GS and GSE, but in all those designations, ‘i’ and ‘E’ stood for one and the same thing – injection. At the beginning of the 90s, stricter emission controls and subsequent use of cats made injection necessity rather than exception and as it became the norm there was no need to rave about it any more.
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Hi Lizzie! Sorry to tell you but Jay W is completely right on the subject of letter ‘E’ used in car designation. Back in the 80s it was Germans that started pushing with fuel injection on mass produced cars more than anyone else and they often marked those versions with either letter ‘i’ for injection or ‘E’ for einspritz (meaning the same but in German language). VW used ‘i’ as can be seen on Golf GTi, BMW used the same as on E30 318i, 320i etc. Mind you, you can also find an early 320 (without i), but that one had carbs, not injection, as you can guess. BMW also used ‘e’ rather than ‘E’ but their ‘e’ on 325e and 525e didn’t mean einspritz – it meant economy. Those engines were tuned to give better economy compared to standard 325i and 525i. Before Mercedes decided to use letters to refer to classes of cars their ‘E’ stood for einspritz as seen on the back of any W123, W 124 or W201 (also known as Mercedes 190). W123 and W124 could be seen with 200 at the back (2000cc, 4-cylinder, carburetor) or 200E (the same engine but + injection), 230 or 230E etc. W201 had on the left side written Mercedes 190 and on the right 2.0 or 2.0E (depending whether with carburetor or injection). Obviously there were other engine choices for it too. Audi used the same lettering as Mercedes, thus Audi 100 2.3 or Audi 100 2.3E, even though the parent company (VW) preferred English to German. Audi also used 5E a bit earlier to let people know the engine in the car is 5-cylinder with injection. Other manufacturers followed in similar way, Ford having Escort XR3 and XR3i, Opel choosing GT and GTE, GS and GSE, but in all those designations, ‘i’ and ‘E’ stood for one and the same thing – injection. At the beginning of the 90s, stricter emission controls and subsequent use of cats made injection necessity rather than exception and as it became the norm there was no need to rave about it any more.
DC, many thanks, i have spent days trawling the net and was starting to think i was losing my mind and the whole E thing was a figment of my imagination
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Well heres one model we never saw in the uk ....Ford KA si ;D ;D ;D ;D yes i do think they sold it on continent but never over here ,I wonder why ::) ::)
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Am yet to see one LaserLance, but have to admit it is not exactly like I pay much attention to them
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Hi Lizzie! Sorry to tell you but Jay W is completely right on the subject of letter ‘E’ used in car designation. Back in the 80s it was Germans that started pushing with fuel injection on mass produced cars more than anyone else and they often marked those versions with either letter ‘i’ for injection or ‘E’ for einspritz (meaning the same but in German language). VW used ‘i’ as can be seen on Golf GTi, BMW used the same as on E30 318i, 320i etc. Mind you, you can also find an early 320 (without i), but that one had carbs, not injection, as you can guess. BMW also used ‘e’ rather than ‘E’ but their ‘e’ on 325e and 525e didn’t mean einspritz – it meant economy. Those engines were tuned to give better economy compared to standard 325i and 525i. Before Mercedes decided to use letters to refer to classes of cars their ‘E’ stood for einspritz as seen on the back of any W123, W 124 or W201 (also known as Mercedes 190). W123 and W124 could be seen with 200 at the back (2000cc, 4-cylinder, carburetor) or 200E (the same engine but + injection), 230 or 230E etc. W201 had on the left side written Mercedes 190 and on the right 2.0 or 2.0E (depending whether with carburetor or injection). Obviously there were other engine choices for it too. Audi used the same lettering as Mercedes, thus Audi 100 2.3 or Audi 100 2.3E, even though the parent company (VW) preferred English to German. Audi also used 5E a bit earlier to let people know the engine in the car is 5-cylinder with injection. Other manufacturers followed in similar way, Ford having Escort XR3 and XR3i, Opel choosing GT and GTE, GS and GSE, but in all those designations, ‘i’ and ‘E’ stood for one and the same thing – injection. At the beginning of the 90s, stricter emission controls and subsequent use of cats made injection necessity rather than exception and as it became the norm there was no need to rave about it any more.
DC, many thanks, i have spent days trawling the net and was starting to think i was losing my mind and the whole E thing was a figment of my imagination
Indeed Jay, and DC, I have trawled the internet and all I find is as I stated before "E" being used by the likes of Ford to signify "Executive", way before injectors for cars were thought of.
It seems to me that at one stage both categories were in use, in different ways, by different manufactures, in Germany and in English speaking countries, because of cause with some "E" was also for "Economy", but I accept Jay you have a Vx manual referring to "E" in GTE of the Astra range that meant "injection".
"i" is certainly the universal badge for "Injection", but of course generally with all "Trim" badges using straight forward letters, i.e. GL, L, CD, CDX, TR, SR, GT, GHIA, ELITE, etc, etc, it generally indicated what each manufacturer considered was the "Trim" level of each model.
At some stage the "i" came in, and as I stated before I concede that the "E" with the Vx Astra GTE seems to have indicated "Injection" before they went to "i", as in SRi, CDi, GSi, with even German manufactures classing cars GTi, and CDi or simply adding the "i" to 320i, 330i, etc. My opinion is that they realised in the mass English speaking world, which of course includes the huge USA car market, they realised that "E" meant "Economy" or "Executive", and "i" was not only already recognised as the "injection" classification in addition to the Trim badge, but was being universally used as such, even with BMW and VW.
In addition in the 1960s, 70s and 80s we saw more purely "engine" badges of "Lotus" were that was considered all important in the market place.
I would suggest that no matter whether or not "E" once stood for "injection" it is now "i" that stands for that engine equipment level in a badging system that once included the old BMC / British Leyland Triumph car "TC" specification to signify "Twin Cam" and "OHC" "overhead Head Cam", along with others that no doubt others of my age group or older may remember for individual manufacturers in the British market. But of course prior to the 1960s Trim level badging of the car was not considered important for sales, instead it was the whole car; it was a Ford, Morris, Austin (cheap end) Austin (Westminster) ,Rover, Humber, Wolsley, Riley, etc (medium) or Bentley, Rolls Royce (expensive).
Now that crucial Trim badging is all important in the volume market sector. ;) ;)
In summary it appears that no definite universal dictionary of Trim levels exists, as manufactures tend to use their own unique terms, such at Merc using CLK in addition to using CDi still, or "E" for a whole "Executive" class of car. ;) ;) ;)
I reckon someone could make some money in compiling a book that defines this fascinating subject over the decades of motor vehicle manufacturing, especially over the last 50 years! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) ;)
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short version - if an opel had a badge on the bootlid which included an E, then it had fuel injection.Fact. ::) ;) ;D
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short version - if an opel had a badge on the bootlid which included an E, then it had fuel injection.Fact. ::) ;) ;D
But if a Ford or British Leyland car has a "E" badge on it it means either "Executive" or "Economy" - Fact.
So you see Albitz "E" means whatever a particular car manufacturer wants it to mean, but "i" is now universally considered the indication of "Injection" at least in the English speaking world. ::) ::) ::) 8-) 8-) ;)
PS: To throw further info into this great debate, have a look at this:
http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/press/releases/2006/xc90_uk_2007_specs.shtml
You can see how Volvo are using the "E" category as true trim "Executive", not engine equipment, level specifications. ;) ;)
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In an oblique reference to an earlier post in this thread, the Mitsubishi Pajero was incredibly badly named -
because in Mexican 'Pajero' means 'w*nker'.
http://chameleon-translations.com/Index-Companies-pajero.shtml
I remember this with glee every time I see one being driven about, especially the ones with Pajero in huge letters down the side. ;D
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In an oblique reference to an earlier post in this thread, the Mitsubishi Pajero was incredibly badly named -
because in Mexican 'Pajero' means 'w*nker'.
http://chameleon-translations.com/Index-Companies-pajero.shtml
I remember this with glee every time I see one being driven about, especially the ones with Pajero in huge letters down the side. ;D
Brilliant! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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In an oblique reference to an earlier post in this thread, the Mitsubishi Pajero was incredibly badly named -
because in Mexican 'Pajero' means 'w*nker'.
http://chameleon-translations.com/Index-Companies-pajero.shtml
I remember this with glee every time I see one being driven about, especially the ones with Pajero in huge letters down the side. ;D
Vauxhall Nova in spanish means wont go ::)! Big flop on spanish markets ::)
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In an oblique reference to an earlier post in this thread, the Mitsubishi Pajero was incredibly badly named -
because in Mexican 'Pajero' means 'w*nker'.
http://chameleon-translations.com/Index-Companies-pajero.shtml
I remember this with glee every time I see one being driven about, especially the ones with Pajero in huge letters down the side. ;D
Vauxhall Nova in spanish means wont go ::)! Big flop on spanish markets ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
These examples show how poorly some manufacturers research the meanings of the model names being considered :o :o. I seem to recall there have been some others over the last fifty years. ;D ;)
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In an oblique reference to an earlier post in this thread, the Mitsubishi Pajero was incredibly badly named -
because in Mexican 'Pajero' means 'w*nker'.
http://chameleon-translations.com/Index-Companies-pajero.shtml
I remember this with glee every time I see one being driven about, especially the ones with Pajero in huge letters down the side. ;D
Vauxhall Nova in spanish means wont go ::)! Big flop on spanish markets ::)
But was never called the Nova on the continent anyway.....and was never intended to be!
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So, TR6 and TR7? What does the TR stand for. Triumph R?
What do they mean
Also the Rover SD1
R= Roadster
R=Rusting....
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In an oblique reference to an earlier post in this thread, the Mitsubishi Pajero was incredibly badly named -
because in Mexican 'Pajero' means 'w*nker'.
http://chameleon-translations.com/Index-Companies-pajero.shtml
I remember this with glee every time I see one being driven about, especially the ones with Pajero in huge letters down the side. ;D
Vauxhall Nova in spanish means wont go ::)! Big flop on spanish markets ::)
But was never called the Nova on the continent anyway.....and was never intended to be!
Good point - the Pajero was called the 'Hunter' in mexico. The pronounciation of Nova in spanish puts the emphasis on the 'va' part - noVA, and as such doesn't quite sound the same as we would say it anyway.
I still laugh at Pajero drivers, though. Because I have a childish sense of humour. ;D