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Title: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: jerry on 17 January 2009, 21:33:23
Just wandering if anyone else has had this happen to them. Iwas driving home about 9pm on a dual carriageway with hardly any other traffic about and good visibility/road conditions, doing about 80. Got to a roundabout and turned onto the single carriageway doing 60 when I noticed this pair of headlights come roaring up behind me, getting right up my ar*e. Now be honest, how many of you would think either A) Im just going to sit at the speed limit and you can just wait pal orB) think f*cking boy racers, and floor it! Unfortunatly I decided on the latter. I had the chipped Prelude at the time so the Vtec cut in and I pulled away and hit 90 before the undercover cop car behind me put his blue lights on. This has happened to 2 other people I know of who were also driving at the speed limit before the (unidentified ) unmarked traffic police car got up their backsides and they foolishly chose the same option as me. Seems a bit of a case for entrapment?.
Must say, however , that in the (thankfully) few cases where I have been caught by a traffic cop theyve been nothing but fair and I have been let off in the past despite "speeding" because the officers "could not say " that I had been "driving unsafely" and theyve used their discretion in matching my driving to the conditions.
                                                                 jerry
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Vamps on 17 January 2009, 21:43:06
If they did that the evidence would be on their in car video.. :)
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: vauxfan2k on 17 January 2009, 21:47:32
in all fairness,

a) you shouldnt have been doing 80 (prob what got their attention)
b) when they came roaring up behind you, you should have let them past (if safe to do so) or kept to the speed limit. boy racer or not in their eyes there is no excuse for "flooring it"

Glad tho that they gave you a caution and didnt charge you. but there are others out there that floor it cos they have something to hide.

 :y
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: BigAl on 17 January 2009, 22:03:53
Years ago when i was younger & had a porsche,  i stopped at a set of road works lights on a street in peckham - car pulls up beside me, but a couple feet short of being level with me and revving it.
lights change -  so i floored it  to get a head start but took the foot off when he hit the blues & twos, over took me and sped off into the distance  :o
mind you when i had a carlton when ever i had to travel for work and took a workmate we always wore white shirts and dark ties  8-) - amazing what happens when a car in front sees 2 blokes in shirts & ties  in an dark blue carlton :y
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: amigov6 on 17 January 2009, 22:11:42
Tricky one that. Tempting to sink the boot & embarrass the tailgater if you've got the poke ( the MV6 & 328i usually can) but if it's a patrol car you're at risk of a nicking.
    Morally yes it's entrapment. Legally you should'nt take the bait so would be in the wrong. Personally if i was in a car i did'nt love i'd anchor up "because a fox ran out in the road". Big ins. claim. 8-)
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: hotel21 on 17 January 2009, 22:12:29
Simple observations....

You were initially speeding - 80 you say???

Car closes up your erse to see if you are either a) going to floor it again or b) behave....

Ultimately, you got a quiet word.  Seems like a result??

 :-/
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: ngrainqey on 17 January 2009, 22:14:10
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Years ago when i was younger & had a porsche,  i stopped at a set of road works lights on a street in peckham - car pulls up beside me, but a couple feet short of being level with me and revving it.
lights change -  so i floored it  to get a head start but took the foot off when he hit the blues & twos, over took me and sped off into the distance  :o
mind you when i had a carlton when ever i had to travel for work and took a workmate we always wore white shirts and dark ties  8-) - amazing what happens when a car in front sees 2 blokes in shirts & ties  in an dark blue carlton :y

lol...oh dear  ;D
i'v been tempted to dress like plod in the omega but cba
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: BigAl on 17 January 2009, 22:16:56
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Tricky one that. Tempting to sink the boot & embarrass the tailgater if you've got the poke ( the MV6 & 328i usually can) but if it's a patrol car you're at risk of a nicking.
    Morally yes it's entrapment. Legally you should'nt take the bait so would be in the wrong. Personally if i was in a car i did'nt love i'd anchor up "because a fox ran out in the road". Big ins. claim. 8-)
What i do these days is slooow down - cause a car that close is going to hit my pride and joy if i have to stop- so i slow to an acceptable speed for  the distance between cars.
slowest i've been around town is 14MPH :y NOBODY intimidates me with a vehicle - unless their are  7.5 Tonners and above
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: jerry on 17 January 2009, 22:16:59
No doubt that it was because I was doing 80 instead of 70 that they chose to follow me but I still think its a pretty intimidating tactic to see if youll then further break the limit. As an afternote, whilst the mig was off the road having the oil cooler fixed recently I borrowed the wifes toyota emina bus. Same stretch of road, in the right hand lane coming up to the roundabout to turn right and sticking religiously to 70(!!). Anyhow this car comes roaring up behind me and starts flashing me. Not wanting to be caught again (a tad unlikely in the bus i admit), I continue at 70. If hes in that much of a hurry then there was plenty of room/time to undertake me before the roundabout as there is no other traffic about. Anyway, he flashes me again and I check to see if there are any warning lights on etc, nope, and its only when he flashes me for the third time that he puts his blue lights on . Great, unmarked car, he must be on a shout I think as I change lanes to let him past. Just as I pull back into the right lane to be in the right lane to turn at the roundabout this vectra comes storming up to me, undertaking me ,then turning right down the same single carriageway. Must be another cop car I think. About 1/4 mile down the single carriageway there is the vectra pulled over by the unmarked traffic car!Go figure! :-/.
                                        jerry
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: BigAl on 17 January 2009, 22:18:06
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Years ago when i was younger & had a porsche,  i stopped at a set of road works lights on a street in peckham - car pulls up beside me, but a couple feet short of being level with me and revving it.
lights change -  so i floored it  to get a head start but took the foot off when he hit the blues & twos, over took me and sped off into the distance  :o
mind you when i had a carlton when ever i had to travel for work and took a workmate we always wore white shirts and dark ties  8-) - amazing what happens when a car in front sees 2 blokes in shirts & ties  in an dark blue carlton :y

lol...oh dear  ;D
i'v been tempted to dress like plod in the omega but cba
It was back in the days of having to wear a suit to work - made it almost tolerable
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: hotel21 on 17 January 2009, 22:20:45
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No doubt that it was because I was doing 80 instead of 70 that they chose to follow me but I still think its a pretty intimidating tactic to see if youll then further break the limit. As an afternote, whilst the mig was off the road having the oil cooler fixed recently I borrowed the wifes toyota emina bus. Same stretch of road, in the right hand lane coming up to the roundabout to turn right and sticking religiously to 70(!!). Anyhow this car comes roaring up behind me and starts flashing me. Not wanting to be caught again (a tad unlikely in the bus i admit), I continue at 70. If hes in that much of a hurry then there was plenty of room/time to undertake me before the roundabout as there is no other traffic about. Anyway, he flashes me again and I check to see if there are any warning lights on etc, nope, and its only when he flashes me for the third time that he puts his blue lights on . Great, unmarked car, he must be on a shout I think as I change lanes to let him past. Just as I pull back into the right lane to be in the right lane to turn at the roundabout this vectra comes storming up to me, undertaking me ,then turning right down the same single carriageway. Must be another cop car I think. About 1/4 mile down the single carriageway there is the vectra pulled over by the unmarked traffic car!Go figure! :-/.
                                        jerry

Re-read the highway code.  Something like return to the left lane after overtaking.  You say that there was ample space for the police to undertake.  Ergo, ample space for you to get into the correct lane to proceede sfaley...

Sorry, one of my pet hates.  Lane hoggers in the wrong lane wanting to run right on the roundabout at the end of a dual several lightyears ahead of them.....
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: vauxfan2k on 17 January 2009, 22:22:51
better not tell of any more encounters  jerry  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: jerry on 17 January 2009, 22:25:03
Might be seen as lane hogging but this was still well after the "get in lane " sign so I was in the correct lane and doing 70 in a 70
limit. Cant win here can I?.
                                                   jerry :(
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: hotel21 on 17 January 2009, 22:26:11
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Might be seen as lane hogging but this was still well after the "get in lane " sign so I was in the correct lane and doing 70 in a 70
limit. Cant win here can I?.
                                                   jerry :(

Not if your in the wrong lane at the wrong time, mon ami!!   ;)
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Turk on 17 January 2009, 22:32:09
I used to work for Securicor. At first glance the uniform was very similar to Plod. My car was a white Carlton.  Pain in the ar$e driving to and from work.  If the driver in front noticed the car and the dark blue uniform, it was a case of 1mph below the speed limit for the rest of the journey.
Surprising how often a left hand would be seen fumbling around between the drivers right shoulder and the door pillar in search of the seat belt.  ;D  
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: jerry on 17 January 2009, 22:33:30
OK GUYS, I'm gonna shut up now!!!  :(
                                            
                                                   jerry

Im going to watch motd now and cheer myself up as albion actually rediscover the net! :y
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: hotel21 on 17 January 2009, 22:34:08
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I used to work for Securicor. At first glance the uniform was very similar to Plod. My car was a white Carlton.  Pain in the ar$e driving to and from work.  If the driver in front noticed the car and the dark blue uniform, it was a case of 1mph below the speed limit for the rest of the journey.
Surprising how often a left hand would be seen fumbling around between the drivers right shoulder and the door pillar in search of the seat belt.  ;D  

Memories of a standard drive to or from work...   ;D
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: ngrainqey on 17 January 2009, 22:34:31
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I used to work for Securicor. At first glance the uniform was very similar to Plod. My car was a white Carlton.  Pain in the ar$e driving to and from work.  If the driver in front noticed the car and the dark blue uniform, it was a case of 1mph below the speed limit for the rest of the journey.
Surprising how often a left hand would be seen fumbling around between the drivers right shoulder and the door pillar in search of the seat belt.  ;D  

lol i dont have that problem because im a good lad and always wear mine  ;D
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: hotel21 on 17 January 2009, 22:37:58
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OK GUYS, I'm gonna shut up now!!!  :(
                                            
                                                   jerry

Im going to watch motd now and cheer myself up as albion actually rediscover the net! :y

Jerry - please dont leave for the sake of a bit of banter.  All thats asked, very obliquely, is to consider how you drive and how others perceive it.  

On this forum, in common with many another, as soon as 'the police' make even the slightest error of judgement its the source of great consternation and immediate diatribe and every cop in the country is blamed....

Its only fair, I think, that sometimes the opposing view is sometimes considered.

Are Albion and the net comparative strangers then??   ;)
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: ngrainqey on 17 January 2009, 22:41:23
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OK GUYS, I'm gonna shut up now!!!  :(
                                            
                                                   jerry

Im going to watch motd now and cheer myself up as albion actually rediscover the net! :y

Jerry - please dont leave for the sake of a bit of banter.  All thats asked, very obliquely, is to consider how you drive and how others perceive it.  

On this forum, in common with many another, as soon as 'the police' make even the slightest error of judgement its the source of great consternation and immediate diatribe and every cop in the country is blamed....

Its only fair, I think, that sometimes the opposing view is sometimes considered.

Are Albion and the net comparative strangers then??   ;)

im still waiting for my chance to slag plod off on here ;D
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 17 January 2009, 22:42:32
Personally I think you were lucky to get off..
I was sat doing 90 on the motorway on a Sunday morning at around 8am, this newish BMW came up quite quickly and I had the same thought myself, "wonder how ode Vader would do against this?" but thought well I am doing 90 anyway let him come past, so I moved over. As they got to my side I saw two Coppers sitting in this BMW, and fair play to them they never looked at me or batted an eye. I did think I am glad I didn't  ;D  

Had to laugh when I got pulled up on my CB100N, the Copper said, "Lost your Wings Squadron Leader?" I nearly laughed but held it in.... I have found most Coppers are fair :y
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: ngrainqey on 17 January 2009, 22:44:13
i have to agree with LK i cant really complain about police so far
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 17 January 2009, 22:46:12
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i have to agree with LK i cant really complain about police so far

Its the funny one liners that crease me up....the amount of times they must say them ;D
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: jerry on 17 January 2009, 22:47:03
Hotel,
Dont get me wrong mate , I'm not afraid of a bit of banter-you should hear what were all like at work, "thick skin" should be a pre-requisite!!I'm not offended, I was just taking the mick out of myself. Sorry if it sounded like I was taking my trainset away, wasnt meant at all like that really but I am genuinely pretty excited that albion are on motd and managed to score 3 goals!!!
                                                          jerry :y
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: amigov6 on 17 January 2009, 22:47:26
I love & admire our police force which is why i drive any vehicle in accordance with the law & road/traffic conditions & giving respect to my fellow road users.....
      ......Amen. ::)
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: hotel21 on 17 January 2009, 22:49:42
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I love & admire our police force which is why i drive any vehicle in accordance with the law & road/traffic conditions & giving respect to my fellow road users.....
      ......Amen. ::)

Pinnochio, dont turn too fast or you'll have someones eye out....   ;D
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Welung666 on 17 January 2009, 22:49:47
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I love & admire our police force which is why i drive any vehicle in accordance with the law & road/traffic conditions & giving respect to my fellow road users.....
      ......Amen. ::)

 ;D ;D ;D

Sorry  :-[
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: qwerty on 17 January 2009, 22:51:05
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No doubt that it was because I was doing 80 instead of 70 that they chose to follow me but I still think its a pretty intimidating tactic to see if youll then further break the limit. As an afternote, whilst the mig was off the road having the oil cooler fixed recently I borrowed the wifes toyota emina bus. Same stretch of road, in the right hand lane coming up to the roundabout to turn right and sticking religiously to 70(!!). Anyhow this car comes roaring up behind me and starts flashing me. Not wanting to be caught again (a tad unlikely in the bus i admit), I continue at 70. If hes in that much of a hurry then there was plenty of room/time to undertake me before the roundabout as there is no other traffic about. Anyway, he flashes me again and I check to see if there are any warning lights on etc, nope, and its only when he flashes me for the third time that he puts his blue lights on . Great, unmarked car, he must be on a shout I think as I change lanes to let him past. Just as I pull back into the right lane to be in the right lane to turn at the roundabout this vectra comes storming up to me, undertaking me ,then turning right down the same single carriageway. Must be another cop car I think. About 1/4 mile down the single carriageway there is the vectra pulled over by the unmarked traffic car!Go figure! :-/.
                                        jerry

Re-read the highway code.  Something like return to the left lane after overtaking.  You say that there was ample space for the police to undertake.  Ergo, ample space for you to get into the correct lane to proceede sfaley...
Sorry, one of my pet hates.  Lane hoggers in the wrong lane wanting to run right on the roundabout at the end of a dual several lightyears ahead of them.....


My pet hate is coppers who break the law just like the rest of us from time to tim but sit there on their high horse with the safety spiel. Its so pathetic its laughable. I personally know of a copper who drives like an absolute idiot in his own car but as soon as he puts his uniform on and gets in the plod car he is the safest, hardest, upstanding copper in the world.

I dont get angry with coppers anymore , i just laugh at em.
i got pulled over last year for dricing too slow. I was doing 26mph as it was a bit foggy and the roads were like glass. Copper gets out and says hes going to do me for driving too slowlt. I nearyl choked with laughter. In the end he got his hair off and told me to move on.

I just laughed and pulled away.

I think part of the training in police camp must be how to pretend your a saint!

Coppers , i wouldnt piss on one if he was on fire!!
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 17 January 2009, 22:55:37
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No doubt that it was because I was doing 80 instead of 70 that they chose to follow me but I still think its a pretty intimidating tactic to see if youll then further break the limit. As an afternote, whilst the mig was off the road having the oil cooler fixed recently I borrowed the wifes toyota emina bus. Same stretch of road, in the right hand lane coming up to the roundabout to turn right and sticking religiously to 70(!!). Anyhow this car comes roaring up behind me and starts flashing me. Not wanting to be caught again (a tad unlikely in the bus i admit), I continue at 70. If hes in that much of a hurry then there was plenty of room/time to undertake me before the roundabout as there is no other traffic about. Anyway, he flashes me again and I check to see if there are any warning lights on etc, nope, and its only when he flashes me for the third time that he puts his blue lights on . Great, unmarked car, he must be on a shout I think as I change lanes to let him past. Just as I pull back into the right lane to be in the right lane to turn at the roundabout this vectra comes storming up to me, undertaking me ,then turning right down the same single carriageway. Must be another cop car I think. About 1/4 mile down the single carriageway there is the vectra pulled over by the unmarked traffic car!Go figure! :-/.
                                        jerry

Re-read the highway code.  Something like return to the left lane after overtaking.  You say that there was ample space for the police to undertake.  Ergo, ample space for you to get into the correct lane to proceede sfaley...
Sorry, one of my pet hates.  Lane hoggers in the wrong lane wanting to run right on the roundabout at the end of a dual several lightyears ahead of them.....


My pet hate is coppers who break the law just like the rest of us from time to tim but sit there on their high horse with the safety spiel. Its so pathetic its laughable. I personally know of a copper who drives like an absolute thingy in his own car but as soon as he puts his uniform on and gets in the plod car he is the safest, hardest, upstanding copper in the world.

I dont get angry with coppers anymore , i just laugh at em.
i got pulled over last year for dricing too slow. I was doing 26mph as it was a bit foggy and the roads were like glass. Copper gets out and says hes going to do me for driving too slowlt. I nearyl choked with laughter. In the end he got his hair off and told me to move on.

I just laughed and pulled away.

I think part of the training in police camp must be how to pretend your a saint!

Coppers , i wouldnt piss on one if he was on fire!!

Had to laugh.... ;D
But all aren't the same....
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: hotel21 on 17 January 2009, 22:55:41
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No doubt that it was because I was doing 80 instead of 70 that they chose to follow me but I still think its a pretty intimidating tactic to see if youll then further break the limit. As an afternote, whilst the mig was off the road having the oil cooler fixed recently I borrowed the wifes toyota emina bus. Same stretch of road, in the right hand lane coming up to the roundabout to turn right and sticking religiously to 70(!!). Anyhow this car comes roaring up behind me and starts flashing me. Not wanting to be caught again (a tad unlikely in the bus i admit), I continue at 70. If hes in that much of a hurry then there was plenty of room/time to undertake me before the roundabout as there is no other traffic about. Anyway, he flashes me again and I check to see if there are any warning lights on etc, nope, and its only when he flashes me for the third time that he puts his blue lights on . Great, unmarked car, he must be on a shout I think as I change lanes to let him past. Just as I pull back into the right lane to be in the right lane to turn at the roundabout this vectra comes storming up to me, undertaking me ,then turning right down the same single carriageway. Must be another cop car I think. About 1/4 mile down the single carriageway there is the vectra pulled over by the unmarked traffic car!Go figure! :-/.
                                        jerry

Re-read the highway code.  Something like return to the left lane after overtaking.  You say that there was ample space for the police to undertake.  Ergo, ample space for you to get into the correct lane to proceede sfaley...
Sorry, one of my pet hates.  Lane hoggers in the wrong lane wanting to run right on the roundabout at the end of a dual several lightyears ahead of them.....


My pet hate is coppers who break the law just like the rest of us from time to tim but sit there on their high horse with the safety spiel. Its so pathetic its laughable. I personally know of a copper who drives like an absolute thingy in his own car but as soon as he puts his uniform on and gets in the plod car he is the safest, hardest, upstanding copper in the world.

I dont get angry with coppers anymore , i just laugh at em.
i got pulled over last year for dricing too slow. I was doing 26mph as it was a bit foggy and the roads were like glass. Copper gets out and says hes going to do me for driving too slowlt. I nearyl choked with laughter. In the end he got his hair off and told me to move on.

I just laughed and pulled away.

I think part of the training in police camp must be how to pretend your a saint!

Coppers , i wouldnt piss on one if he was on fire!!

Just because you know one cop who is a k-nob, dont class them all the same.

Personally, have had my share of pathetic plumbers, junkie joiners, sad salesmen, ersehole engineers, bullshitting builders - got your trade yet, or you get the gist?

I'm no saint.  Enjoy life too much, but have the knowledge to seperate the wheat from the dross.....   ;)
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Welung666 on 17 January 2009, 22:55:56
I have to disagree. The police do did a fabulous job until all the nanny state rules. Whats wrong with ginin' a kid a clip round the ear?

Mostly my dealings with the police have been fairly jovial, it's the PCSO's that p1ss me off, rather' power mad they are and no powers to match their ego's but still. I might relay the M40 tales as I call them after another beer :P
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 17 January 2009, 22:59:24
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I have to disagree. The police do did a fabulous job until all the nanny state rules. Whats wrong with ginin' a kid a clip round the ear?

Mostly my dealings with the police have been fairly jovial, it's the PCSO's that p1ss me off, rather' power mad they are and no powers to match their ego's but still. I might relay the M40 tales as I call them after another beer :P

They the coppers probably agree, but they have to abide by the law.

James will be along soon  ;D
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: jerry on 17 January 2009, 23:00:46
Coppers are like anyone else-you get good ones, bad ones and indifferent ones. Yeah, in theory they should all be "good" ones, but its never going to be like that. All I can tell you, is that Ive had dealings with quite a few officers over the years--through work, thankyou, before anyone gets in!!--and with only one exception have I ever found them as being anything but fair, understanding and helpful. You also have to bear in mind the frustations of their job too.
                                                  jerry
 (As normal the albion game seems to be tagged on the end of motd)
                                                                                          :y
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: hotel21 on 17 January 2009, 23:10:48
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Coppers are like anyone else-you get good ones, bad ones and indifferent ones. Yeah, in theory they should all be "good" ones, but its never going to be like that. All I can tell you, is that Ive had dealings with quite a few officers over the years--through work, thankyou, before anyone gets in!!--and with only one exception have I ever found them as being anything but fair, understanding and helpful. You also have to bear in mind the frustations of their job too.
                                                  jerry
 (As normal the albion game seems to be tagged on the end of motd)
                                                                                          :y

Did they win then??   ::)
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: amigov6 on 17 January 2009, 23:14:53
Don't beat around the bush mate!!!! Joking aside human nature dictates there are good & bad in all walks of life including the law.
  I've met one who nicked me for a silly speeding (not reckless) offence, & another who let me off drink driving & shared his flask of coffee with me. The latter was 25 + years ago, he made me leave my car where it was & drove me home. I'd gone for a drive after a domestic, usual thing but he sympathised. I was'nt peed & only a nadge over. He was an old boy, a proper bobby but made it clear what would happen if i did it again, fair go.
   Point is i listened to him so the break he gave me was'nt wasted.
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Welung666 on 17 January 2009, 23:15:20
'The M40 tales'

Many moons ago, not long after passing my class 1 I was working for DFDS in Birmingham. They convinced me (somehow) to cover a contract down in Winersh (Reading for the unfamilier). Customers own wagon, 2 trips to heathrow freight per shift. Midday start so normally 2 or 3 am by the time I finished. Now being a tight poor youngster I found it easier coming back home to Solihull every night, although my transport was an ex racing ZZR1100 at the time with just a hole cut in the fairings for head and tail lights to make it road legal (otherwise unchanged from it's race days).

Got pulled clocked at 125 around Warwick services, copper was a nice enough bloke and warned me he'd book me next time but as we were the only moving vehicles for miles he'd let me off. Next night passed the same copper doing about 110 and pulled in the services for a pee. walk out same copper waiting by my bike! OH sh1t I thought. Had a laugh about not being able to catch up due to a problem with his car and was waiting for a replacement in the services.

Long and short he told me if he caught me he'd make sure the book was thrown at me so me being the sarcy get I am told him he wouldn't catch me ;D so we struck a deal... If he caught me he'd do me, if he didn't he wouldn't bother again! Great I thought to myself, best make sure he don't then... following week doing about a ton spotted him creeping up behind me so knocked it down and went for it, chest to the tank. His headlights went very small very quickly in my mirrors ;D  I won't say how high up the speedo I got but every time I saw him afterwards he just put his thumb up.
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: hotel21 on 17 January 2009, 23:18:26
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'The M40 tales'

Many moons ago, not long after passing my class 1 I was working for DFDS in Birmingham. They convinced me (somehow) to cover a contract down in Winersh (Reading for the unfamilier). Customers own wagon, 2 trips to heathrow freight per shift. Midday start so normally 2 or 3 am by the time I finished. Now being a tight poor youngster I found it easier coming back home to Solihull every night, although my transport was an ex racing ZZR1100 at the time with just a hole cut in the fairings for head and tail lights to make it road legal (otherwise unchanged from it's race days).

Got pulled clocked at 125 around Warwick services, copper was a nice enough bloke and warned me he'd book me next time but as we were the only moving vehicles for miles he'd let me off. Next night passed the same copper doing about 110 and pulled in the services for a pee. walk out same copper waiting by my bike! OH sh1t I thought. Had a laugh about not being able to catch up due to a problem with his car and was waiting for a replacement in the services.

Long and short he told me if he caught me he'd make sure the book was thrown at me so me being the sarcy get I am told him he wouldn't catch me ;D so we struck a deal... If he caught me he'd do me, if he didn't he wouldn't bother again! Great I thought to myself, best make sure he don't then... following week doing about a ton spotted him creeping up behind me so knocked it down and went for it, chest to the tank. His headlights went very small very quickly in my mirrors ;D  I won't say how high up the speedo I got but every time I saw him afterwards he just put his thumb up.
I can and do sympathise with this story, but never worked south of the wall we built to keep you fekkers OOT!

Looks like you won a watch....   :y
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 17 January 2009, 23:18:58
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'The M40 tales'

Many moons ago, not long after passing my class 1 I was working for DFDS in Birmingham. They convinced me (somehow) to cover a contract down in Winersh (Reading for the unfamilier). Customers own wagon, 2 trips to heathrow freight per shift. Midday start so normally 2 or 3 am by the time I finished. Now being a tight poor youngster I found it easier coming back home to Solihull every night, although my transport was an ex racing ZZR1100 at the time with just a hole cut in the fairings for head and tail lights to make it road legal (otherwise unchanged from it's race days).

Got pulled clocked at 125 around Warwick services, copper was a nice enough bloke and warned me he'd book me next time but as we were the only moving vehicles for miles he'd let me off. Next night passed the same copper doing about 110 and pulled in the services for a pee. walk out same copper waiting by my bike! OH sh1t I thought. Had a laugh about not being able to catch up due to a problem with his car and was waiting for a replacement in the services.

Long and short he told me if he caught me he'd make sure the book was thrown at me so me being the sarcy get I am told him he wouldn't catch me ;D so we struck a deal... If he caught me he'd do me, if he didn't he wouldn't bother again! Great I thought to myself, best make sure he don't then... following week doing about a ton spotted him creeping up behind me so knocked it down and went for it, chest to the tank. His headlights went very small very quickly in my mirrors ;D  I won't say how high up the speedo I got but every time I saw him afterwards he just put his thumb up.

 ;D ;D ;D well he sounded like a good en :y
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Vamps on 17 January 2009, 23:22:11
Certainly not having a go at the Police but I nearly had to have words with one yesterday, about his driving. ::)

Two lanes, traffic lights, turn right or straight on. Local police car in right lane indicating left, nothing on inside lane as I approach from the rear, slowed thinking he was having to change his mind as the result of a call. Flashed him to come into the inside lane, just sat there, I slowed to a crawl, again flashed him, he stayed where he was, I correctly passed him on the inside as he was stood still. Was so tempted to blow the horn and ask him what the f was he doing but chose not to, glared at him as I passed, not that he was looking. ::)

Could see him in mirror turn right with left indicator on.  At the end of the day we are all human, we all make mistakes and he may have been having a discussion on the radio which made him uncertain, though no blue lights on. :)
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Welung666 on 17 January 2009, 23:24:11
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'The M40 tales'

Many moons ago, not long after passing my class 1 I was working for DFDS in Birmingham. They convinced me (somehow) to cover a contract down in Winersh (Reading for the unfamilier). Customers own wagon, 2 trips to heathrow freight per shift. Midday start so normally 2 or 3 am by the time I finished. Now being a tight poor youngster I found it easier coming back home to Solihull every night, although my transport was an ex racing ZZR1100 at the time with just a hole cut in the fairings for head and tail lights to make it road legal (otherwise unchanged from it's race days).

Got pulled clocked at 125 around Warwick services, copper was a nice enough bloke and warned me he'd book me next time but as we were the only moving vehicles for miles he'd let me off. Next night passed the same copper doing about 110 and pulled in the services for a pee. walk out same copper waiting by my bike! OH sh1t I thought. Had a laugh about not being able to catch up due to a problem with his car and was waiting for a replacement in the services.

Long and short he told me if he caught me he'd make sure the book was thrown at me so me being the sarcy get I am told him he wouldn't catch me ;D so we struck a deal... If he caught me he'd do me, if he didn't he wouldn't bother again! Great I thought to myself, best make sure he don't then... following week doing about a ton spotted him creeping up behind me so knocked it down and went for it, chest to the tank. His headlights went very small very quickly in my mirrors ;D  I won't say how high up the speedo I got but every time I saw him afterwards he just put his thumb up.

 ;D ;D ;D well he sounded like a good en :y

He was a good 'un, seen him since when I went to pick up my sisters husband waste of space out when he done for DR10. He recognised me and we had a good chat while d1ckhead was left stewing in a cell ;D
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 17 January 2009, 23:26:16
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'The M40 tales'

Many moons ago, not long after passing my class 1 I was working for DFDS in Birmingham. They convinced me (somehow) to cover a contract down in Winersh (Reading for the unfamilier). Customers own wagon, 2 trips to heathrow freight per shift. Midday start so normally 2 or 3 am by the time I finished. Now being a tight poor youngster I found it easier coming back home to Solihull every night, although my transport was an ex racing ZZR1100 at the time with just a hole cut in the fairings for head and tail lights to make it road legal (otherwise unchanged from it's race days).

Got pulled clocked at 125 around Warwick services, copper was a nice enough bloke and warned me he'd book me next time but as we were the only moving vehicles for miles he'd let me off. Next night passed the same copper doing about 110 and pulled in the services for a pee. walk out same copper waiting by my bike! OH sh1t I thought. Had a laugh about not being able to catch up due to a problem with his car and was waiting for a replacement in the services.

Long and short he told me if he caught me he'd make sure the book was thrown at me so me being the sarcy get I am told him he wouldn't catch me ;D so we struck a deal... If he caught me he'd do me, if he didn't he wouldn't bother again! Great I thought to myself, best make sure he don't then... following week doing about a ton spotted him creeping up behind me so knocked it down and went for it, chest to the tank. His headlights went very small very quickly in my mirrors ;D  I won't say how high up the speedo I got but every time I saw him afterwards he just put his thumb up.
I can and do sympathise with this story, but never worked south of the wall we built to keep you fekkers OOT!

Looks like you won a watch....   :y

Behave yourself  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Welung666 on 17 January 2009, 23:28:07
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'The M40 tales'

Many moons ago, not long after passing my class 1 I was working for DFDS in Birmingham. They convinced me (somehow) to cover a contract down in Winersh (Reading for the unfamilier). Customers own wagon, 2 trips to heathrow freight per shift. Midday start so normally 2 or 3 am by the time I finished. Now being a tight poor youngster I found it easier coming back home to Solihull every night, although my transport was an ex racing ZZR1100 at the time with just a hole cut in the fairings for head and tail lights to make it road legal (otherwise unchanged from it's race days).

Got pulled clocked at 125 around Warwick services, copper was a nice enough bloke and warned me he'd book me next time but as we were the only moving vehicles for miles he'd let me off. Next night passed the same copper doing about 110 and pulled in the services for a pee. walk out same copper waiting by my bike! OH sh1t I thought. Had a laugh about not being able to catch up due to a problem with his car and was waiting for a replacement in the services.

Long and short he told me if he caught me he'd make sure the book was thrown at me so me being the sarcy get I am told him he wouldn't catch me ;D so we struck a deal... If he caught me he'd do me, if he didn't he wouldn't bother again! Great I thought to myself, best make sure he don't then... following week doing about a ton spotted him creeping up behind me so knocked it down and went for it, chest to the tank. His headlights went very small very quickly in my mirrors ;D  I won't say how high up the speedo I got but every time I saw him afterwards he just put his thumb up.
I can and do sympathise with this story, but never worked south of the wall we built to keep you fekkers OOT!

Looks like you won a watch....   :y

That's long fallen down ;D I love it north of the wall anyway, be up next year as SWMBO has never been so be heading up the side of Loch Ness to Inverness for our hols :y
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: hotel21 on 17 January 2009, 23:29:20
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'The M40 tales'

Many moons ago, not long after passing my class 1 I was working for DFDS in Birmingham. They convinced me (somehow) to cover a contract down in Winersh (Reading for the unfamilier). Customers own wagon, 2 trips to heathrow freight per shift. Midday start so normally 2 or 3 am by the time I finished. Now being a tight poor youngster I found it easier coming back home to Solihull every night, although my transport was an ex racing ZZR1100 at the time with just a hole cut in the fairings for head and tail lights to make it road legal (otherwise unchanged from it's race days).

Got pulled clocked at 125 around Warwick services, copper was a nice enough bloke and warned me he'd book me next time but as we were the only moving vehicles for miles he'd let me off. Next night passed the same copper doing about 110 and pulled in the services for a pee. walk out same copper waiting by my bike! OH sh1t I thought. Had a laugh about not being able to catch up due to a problem with his car and was waiting for a replacement in the services.

Long and short he told me if he caught me he'd make sure the book was thrown at me so me being the sarcy get I am told him he wouldn't catch me ;D so we struck a deal... If he caught me he'd do me, if he didn't he wouldn't bother again! Great I thought to myself, best make sure he don't then... following week doing about a ton spotted him creeping up behind me so knocked it down and went for it, chest to the tank. His headlights went very small very quickly in my mirrors ;D  I won't say how high up the speedo I got but every time I saw him afterwards he just put his thumb up.
I can and do sympathise with this story, but never worked south of the wall we built to keep you fekkers OOT!

Looks like you won a watch....   :y

Behave yourself  ;D ;D ;D
Moi?  Pourquoi?
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Lazydocker on 17 January 2009, 23:29:36
To be fair... My dealings with the boys in blue have been fair. I have been nicked for speeding, which was a little unfair TBH as the signs were a little obscured and it was a recent limit change but I'd gotten away with it many times before :y :y :y

Used to work with Hants Plod doing recovery and found most of them to be completely fair :y :y
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: vauxfan2k on 17 January 2009, 23:30:08
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heading up the side of Loch Ness to Inverness for our hols

why stop there? come on over to the sunny western isles  ;)
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Welung666 on 17 January 2009, 23:33:27
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heading up the side of Loch Ness to Inverness for our hols

why stop there? come on over to the sunny western isles  ;)

I've done Lands End to Orkney in a Morris Minor :y Great trip!
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: jerry on 17 January 2009, 23:48:09
How long did that take!! assume you had a bit more than the odd break. We did Gorleston (nr gt yarmouth) up to Fort William the other year, hired a cottage right on the edge of Loch Ness, had a brilliant couple of weeks touring around. Took the scenic way rather than the motorway in the " bus "but took us 9 hours inc stops !!Still, we'd certainly hliday in Scotland again.,
              
                                           jerry :y
(As normal, little discussion from ole big ears and the rest of the panel
---definite bias still on motd---but who cares, we WON  :y-or have I mentioned that before?)
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: dbug on 17 January 2009, 23:51:29
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Might be seen as lane hogging but this was still well after the "get in lane " sign so I was in the correct lane and doing 70 in a 70
limit. Cant win here can I?.
                                                   jerry :(

Not if your in the wrong lane at the wrong time, mon ami!!   ;)

Think a course of driving lessons may be the order of the day :-?
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Gaffers on 17 January 2009, 23:51:57
I'v been thinking about this one....dangerous I know but....... :D

Being in the forces, personal security is always on my mind and if I had someone drive right on my arse like that I would prob let them pass.  If that didn't work and they stayed behind me I would prob start to think I had a problem and god knows what I would do....

.....scary huh?
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Welung666 on 17 January 2009, 23:56:58
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How long did that take!!

10 days but that included 2 days on the island, did home to LE in 1 go, 4 youth hostels going up (scenic route, hardley any motorway) and home in 1 go (just over 13 hours)
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: jerry on 18 January 2009, 00:04:35
If you were anything like me, by the end of it the phrase "numb bum " was probably an understatement!
                                                        jerry
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Andy B on 18 January 2009, 00:18:43
Saying f*** all as my daughter's boy friend has recently signed the dooted line. On my various encounters with the Boyz in Blue I've met some decent lads and some 4r$eholes!
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: BigAl on 18 January 2009, 00:21:15
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heading up the side of Loch Ness to Inverness for our hols

why stop there? come on over to the sunny western isles  ;)

I've done Lands End to Orkney in a Morris Minor :y Great trip!
M o r r i s   M i n o r  - - a r e   y o u   i n s a n e !  ?
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Vamps on 18 January 2009, 00:24:32
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heading up the side of Loch Ness to Inverness for our hols

why stop there? come on over to the sunny western isles  ;)

I've done Lands End to Orkney in a Morris Minor :y Great trip!
M o r r i s   M i n o r  - - a r e   y o u   i n s a n e !  ?

Remember he did it when they were the latest modern production car :y
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Andy B on 18 January 2009, 00:28:21
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heading up the side of Loch Ness to Inverness for our hols

why stop there? come on over to the sunny western isles  ;)

I've done Lands End to Orkney in a Morris Minor :y Great trip!
M o r r i s   M i n o r  - - a r e   y o u   i n s a n e !  ?

SWMBO & I were at John O'Groats the other year and I spotted a Morris Minor (in running restoration) on a car park, didn't think much of it. Then shortly afterwards spotted another  :-/
Then down the end of the road spotted yet another ... drop head .... so had to ask why I'd seen 3 Moggy Minors in such a small place. they were on their anula Joggle Run http://www.morrisminoroc.co.uk/index.php?page=371
JOG to Lands End in 24 hours!!!!!!
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: jerry on 18 January 2009, 00:28:36
I have very fond memories of the morris minor, remember my grandad used to have one years and years ago and a mate at uni had a lovely open topped one. Dont know if shes still got it but that was like mint , worth a few bob now maybe,
                                                              jerry :)
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Andy B on 18 January 2009, 00:37:02
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..... and a mate at uni had a lovely open topped one. Dont know if shes still got it but that was like mint , worth a few bob now maybe,
                                                              jerry :)

I drive passed one every day to & from work on the 'forcourt' of a garage/workshop. It was sheeted up about a year back after being on fire.  :(
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: dispondent 1 on 18 January 2009, 03:36:40
the old bill and all our councils are not accountable !
there are two laws one for us one for them !

pay your council tax or your knicked ! but they can waste f-cking thousands digging up roads and not do f-ck all for 3 months !
but its our money! and we all stand for it!

and the old bill!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-458310/Fury-90-000-police-officers-caught-speeding-let-off.html


and what the f-ck is a carbon footprint? more b-llocks >:(
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: qwerty on 18 January 2009, 08:09:12
So knowing police officers break the law a bit in their own time , i would just prefer the points, without the lecture. It aint the punishment really that would break me off , it would be the lecture on how to drive , when its plain to see in their own time they NEVER stick to 30/60/70 etc

I was arrested once on suspicion of petrol theft (my numberplate had been cloned) and in the car the officer waited until the speed camera had gone past and floored it to 70 in a 60 zone. I challeneged him and was told in an angry face "be quiet"

Double Standards!
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 18 January 2009, 08:11:46
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So knowing police officers break the law a bit in their own time , i would jst prefer the points, without the lecture. It aint the punishment really that would break me off , it would be the lecture on how to drive , when its plain to seein their ownm time they NEVER stick to 30/60/70 etc

I was arrested once on suspision of petrol theft (my numberplate had been cloned) and in the car the officeer waited until the camera had gone past and floored it to 70 ina 60 zone. I challeneged him and was told in an angry face "be quiet"

Double Standards!


They wouldn't be able to catch anyone doing 30/60/70 etc  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: qwerty on 18 January 2009, 08:13:08
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the old bill and all our councils are not accountable !
there are two laws one for us one for them !

pay your council tax or your knicked ! but they can waste f-cking thousands digging up roads and not do f-ck all for 3 months !
but its our money! and we all stand for it!

and the old bill!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-458310/Fury-90-000-police-officers-caught-speeding-let-off.html


and what the f-ck is a carbon footprint? more b-llocks >:(


See what i mean ?!?!

We are totally ripped off and its the police that breed hatred towards the police. Its the councils that bred racism by favouring immigrants. I could go on!
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: qwerty on 18 January 2009, 08:13:27
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So knowing police officers break the law a bit in their own time , i would jst prefer the points, without the lecture. It aint the punishment really that would break me off , it would be the lecture on how to drive , when its plain to seein their ownm time they NEVER stick to 30/60/70 etc

I was arrested once on suspision of petrol theft (my numberplate had been cloned) and in the car the officeer waited until the camera had gone past and floored it to 70 ina 60 zone. I challeneged him and was told in an angry face "be quiet"

Double Standards!


They wouldn't be able to catch anyone doing 30/60/70 etc  ;D ;D ;D


Har Har ;D
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: qwerty on 18 January 2009, 08:15:24
I know of a shop that (where my mum lives) was refused a renewal on its licence to serve food (butty shop). Within 1 month a polish couple (very nice actually) came and took over the shop and turned it into a cafe. Licence no problem. We are being turned into the minority!
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 18 January 2009, 08:17:13
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I know of a shop that (where my mum lives) was refused a renewal on its licence to serve food (butty shop). Within 1 month a polish couple (very nice actually) came and took over the shop and turned it into a cafe. Licence no problem. We are being turned into the minority!


It certainly seems that way >:(

But that ain't the Coppers fault ::) :P
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: qwerty on 18 January 2009, 08:18:51
Neither is doing 34mph sometimes!  :D
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 18 January 2009, 11:46:19
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Just wandering if anyone else has had this happen to them. Iwas driving home about 9pm on a dual carriageway with hardly any other traffic about and good visibility/road conditions, doing about 80. Got to a roundabout and turned onto the single carriageway doing 60 when I noticed this pair of headlights come roaring up behind me, getting right up my ar*e. Now be honest, how many of you would think either A) Im just going to sit at the speed limit and you can just wait pal orB) think f*cking boy racers, and floor it! Unfortunatly I decided on the latter. I had the chipped Prelude at the time so the Vtec cut in and I pulled away and hit 90 before the undercover cop car behind me put his blue lights on. This has happened to 2 other people I know of who were also driving at the speed limit before the (unidentified ) unmarked traffic police car got up their backsides and they foolishly chose the same option as me. Seems a bit of a case for entrapment?.
Must say, however , that in the (thankfully) few cases where I have been caught by a traffic cop theyve been nothing but fair and I have been let off in the past despite "speeding" because the officers "could not say " that I had been "driving unsafely" and theyve used their discretion in matching my driving to the conditions.
                                                                 jerry


I would have hoofed it myself.....sometimes the coppers have too much time on their hands ......and so start playing silly buggers. :y
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: bighed on 18 January 2009, 13:31:09
I cant rip into police as one of my sisters, her fella and one of my nephews are all Police officers and I have close relations shall we say with both Police and C.S.O's for my job.  :-X

Anyway, little story. One night, a couple of years ago, Think it was about 11 o'clock. Im pulling out of a local Shell garage in my modified astra G, onto a dual carriageway. Just as I'm pulling out the garage a Police Volvo passes in the opposite direction. They take one look at me and accelerate hard to get to the roundabout approx 500yds in the opposite direction, just to come back ang give me a tug.

I reversed back a bit and sat there waiting for them to come back up the hill and after me. They must of been giving it some beans as when they clocked me still in the same place, the volvo took a nose dive, ass in the air and passed me in a plume of smoke.

I sat there laughing to myself  ;D ;D ;D s they reversed back to where I was sat and pulled up along side me. They asked what I was doing and didnt seem impressed when I said I was waiting for them. They then had the cheek to try and give ME a warning for wasting police time.  :oNeedless to say that didnt get very far.  :y

Another time I had called into a friends house on way to work ( in astra again) and put my glasses loosly on top of the centre console. Upon leaving my friends road and turning left my glasses slid across the dash and onto the floor in the passenger footwell. I pulled over and as there is no interior light in the astra was fumbling round to find my glasses. When found I looked in mirror and indicated to pull away. Only to see a police car with the blues on.

I pulled over again. This time the police officer wanted to know why I was "HIDING" from them as they drove past!!!!!  ;D

I explained what had happened but he wasnt happy with my "excuse" and kept me for nearly half hour checking my car over and all my documents.  :o
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: Elite Pete on 18 January 2009, 15:05:25
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heading up the side of Loch Ness to Inverness for our hols

why stop there? come on over to the sunny western isles  ;)
I wouldn't take much persuading, I worked over there for a month a couple of years ago and loved it ;)
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: JamesV6CDX on 18 January 2009, 16:40:09
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i'v been tempted to dress like plod in the omega

Why would you want to? I take every step to avoid being recognised / perceived as Plod in my own car.

It's not a good idea for a number of reasons - including the fact it becomes a real pain when people start driving at 20mph everywhere ::)
Nice casual jacket zipped up tight does the trick...  :y

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Coppers , i wouldnt piss on one if he was on fire!!


But who will you call when your house gets broken into, or your car gets nicked?  :P ;D

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They the coppers probably agree, but they have to abide by the law.


Agreed, in as much as the Police only enforce the law, rather than make it.

The old fashioned clip on the ear never did me any harm, and I only received one in extreme circumstances. Can't really comment for others though.

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James will be along soon  ;D

 ::)
Title: Re: Police entrapment for speeding.
Post by: dispondent 1 on 18 January 2009, 20:17:59
But who will you call when your house gets broken into, or your car gets nicked?  


probably not the old bill >:(