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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Sylvester on 19 February 2009, 00:35:23
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Hi
I’m planning to sell my 2.0 '98 gels is just getting a bit old.
Would like to buy a 2001 -2003 model but don’t know witch one should I get.
I’m thinking about 2.2 petrol 2.2 diesel or 2.6 , 3.2 petrol.
The best one, the most reliable one would be??
Regards
Sly
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Hi
I’m planning to sell my 2.0 '98 gels is just getting a bit old.
Would like to buy a 2001 -2003 model but don’t know witch one should I get.
I’m thinking about 2.2 petrol 2.2 diesel or 2.6 , 3.2 petrol.
The best one, the most reliable one would be??
Regards
Sly
Unfortunately this is one which is down to personal choice... For me it's V6 every time ::) ::) ;D ;D :y :y
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V6 for me also. :y :y
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I would say it would be down to personal preferences, they're all fairly reliable if well maintained. I would buy the top spec 3.2 Elite, more toys than an Anne Summers shop and it can move as well :)
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I'd stick with the V6s too... And if possible, an Elite :)
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the 2.2 cant be papercliped which counts that out for me. So only leaves a v6, and if your going to do that may as well go the whole hog with a 3.2 elite, if you can find one. Just be aware drive by wire and coil packs are more expensive than the throttle cable and leads/ dis set up on the 3.0. But on the other hand the 3.2 has no egr, no secondary air and is a bit easier to work on (imho). 2.6 is the same drive by wire engine.
Haveing owned a 2.5 and now a 3.2 the difference in performance is marked, for example with a constant throttle mid corner you can jab the pedal and play with the rear end as the power responds, no real response at all when you do that on a 2.5 by
comparisson. It really does shift for a big road car on the motorway.
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i've a year 2000 2.5 v6 elite, love it! you gotta go for the elite mate. :y
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V6 only in my view. :-* :-*
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the 2.2 cant be papercliped which counts that out for me. So only leaves a v6, and if your going to do that may as well go the whole hog with a 3.2 elite, if you can find one. Just be aware drive by wire and coil packs are more expensive than the throttle cable and leads/ dis set up on the 3.0. But on the other hand the 3.2 has no egr, no secondary air and is a bit easier to work on (imho). 2.6 is the same drive by wire engine.
Haveing owned a 2.5 and now a 3.2 the difference in performance is marked, for example with a constant throttle mid corner you can jab the pedal and play with the rear end as the power responds, no real response at all when you do that on a 2.5 by
comparisson. It really does shift for a big road car on the motorway.
Because of the higher diff ratio in 3.2.
For me 4 pot models are only good with manual gearbox. Otherwise it's just too slow and petrol consumption is to high.
V6 are ok, same 2.6 and 3.2. These are more expensive to service than 2.5 and 3.0 (and less spares available on the market due to production only within 2 years).
3.2 have a cat problems which not occur in 2.6.
new engines and autoboxes are smoother and more quiter than old ones.
If you find a decent ELITE, go for it, but many CDXes have most of ELITE's toys and can cost less.
Apart from that it's your preference.
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Haveing owned a 2.5 and now a 3.2 the difference in performance is marked, for example with a constant throttle mid corner you can jab the pedal and play with the rear end as the power responds, no real response at all when you do that on a 2.5 by
comparisson. It really does shift for a big road car on the motorway.
Because of the higher diff ratio in 3.2.
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Surely if it was higher geared it would reduce the responsiveness?.. or are you saying it has a (numerically) higher diff ratio ( = lower geared?).
I certainly wouldn't want a 2.5 that's higher geared than my 3.2. :o As it is my 3.2 is doing 26 MPH/1,000 RPM. I think I can live with a car that's geared for 156 MPH @ 6,000 RPM. ;D
This link http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1163895466 suggests that the 2.6 is lower geared (4.22) than the 3.2 (3.9) which is what I would expect. Surely the 2.5 would have the 4.22 diff as well?
(BTW: I'm talking autos here. The manuals are different.)
Kevin
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I am always confused with high low geared. With same revs, 2500 for ex, 3.2 will doing like 65, while 3.0 will do 70. And it’s diff, not the gearbox ratio! All 4L30E autoboxes have the same ratio.
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Thx 4 helping !
Not sure yet , but looking closer at the Elite model's !
Regards
Sly
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As it is my 3.2 is doing 26 MPH/1,000 RPM. I think I can live with a car that's geared for 156 MPH @ 6,000 RPM. ;D .......
I know I harp on about Senators ..... ::) but overall my Omega is higher geared than the 24v Senator I had. I can't think what speed/revs my Omega is but the Senator was 29mph per 100rpm in top gear (I do have an Auto Car from when Senators were new ;)). I'm sure the Omega could have easily managed an overall figure of the same.
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personally i would try and go for either a 2.6 or 3.2...
I had a 2.5 elite and chopped it in for a 2.6 CDX, the 2.6 felt like a far better car with regards to performance and economy, some of that could have been due to the drive by wire set up that the later cars have, or maybe they are a better engine.
Spec, yes try to get an Elite, they have more toys and can be more desirable when resale time comes along
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3.2 have a cat problems which not occur in 2.6.
Just came back here as i forgot to mention the pre cat issue which causes the eml to come on. But i see you have mentioned it. But was not aware it only affects the 3.2. Is this correct? And if so why? Does the 2.6 not have pre cats?
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3.2 have a cat problems which not occur in 2.6.
Just came back here as i forgot to mention the pre cat issue which causes the eml to come on. But i see you have mentioned it. But was not aware it only affects the 3.2. Is this correct? And if so why? Does the 2.6 not have pre cats?
Yes. Same setup on the 2.6 but they seem to cope with the output of the smaller engine better. Still not uncommon to have a problem. Mick Dundee's 2.6 did.
Kevin
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2.6 have (same) precats as 3.2 but this problem does only affects 3.2. Don’t know why, maybe due to extra capacity (extra 300ccm) or pressure. It’s not just Vauxhall, other cars have the same problem, for example some of the Toyotas. They found that the problem was oil and petrol during the (cold) start up. These are to protect main cats, but gets most of the bad stuff when engine is cold. Precats are near to combustion chamber and unburned oil and petrol leaves a deposit on precats and block them. Pressure is rising and so does the temperature. This starts to melt down ceramic and deposits and small pieces are getting back to combustion chamber and scratch surfaces. This allowes more oil to come out and wore out the engine. But it’s only a Toyota and only an extreme situations.
And one more, maybe obvious, but worth mention – Road TAX on cars registered after 01.03.2001 (might got the date wrong) is much higher than before that date! It might be extra £100-150 and plans are to increase in next few years (up to £400 for 3.2.)
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2.6 have (same) precats as 3.2 but this problem does only affects 3.2. Don’t know why, maybe due to extra capacity (extra 300ccm) or pressure. It’s not just Vauxhall, other cars have the same problem, for example some of the Toyotas. They found that the problem was oil and petrol during the (cold) start up. These are to protect main cats, but gets most of the bad stuff when engine is cold. Precats are near to combustion chamber and unburned oil and petrol leaves a deposit on precats and block them. Pressure is rising and so does the temperature. This starts to melt down ceramic and deposits and small pieces are getting back to combustion chamber and scratch surfaces. This allowes more oil to come out and wore out the engine. But it’s only a Toyota and only an extreme situations.
And one more, maybe obvious, but worth mention – Road TAX on cars registered after 01.03.2001 (might got the date wrong) is much higher than before that date! It might be extra £100-150 and plans are to increase in next few years (up to £400 for 3.2.)
2.6 are affected by this issue, though more common on 3.2
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My 2.6 had the precat issue, before it decided that was too minor a quirk and threw all its toys out of the pram...
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I should do what everyone tells me and change my 3.2 V6 - but it is so good to drive I could not justify the difference to the BMW 730d which people think I shoud buy. Omega Elite is a great car - not reflected by the value you can sell them for = I will keep it. If you can get a 3.2 Elite go for it subject to condition issue as a bad one could cost you loads. A good one is a dream in terms of value for money and performance
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depending on the priorities..
performance or low fuel cost.. but not all together..
and the optimum avg of the two is not a good choice imho..
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Both our 2.2's have been mega-reliable and the cdx has virtually all the toys, but would go for a V6 next time, mainly for the much nicer sound! ;)