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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Mr Skrunts on 05 March 2009, 12:33:56
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I have a Dyson DCo7 Animal and am very happy with it, have also seen a Bosch upright in action and was impressed with that, but not sure if it was bagless.
The reason for this thread is that I want to give my new place a good going over with a hoover before it gets a good clean through out before and after preping to decorate. Main problem with be brick and plaster dust.
Rang a vac and then tool hire place up and didnt like thier daily charges for bagged hoovers, so nipped on the bay to see what i could pick up locally, there are some DC04's couple of Electrolux and some others within 10 miles, so I thought rather than knacker mine get annother for the same cost of a weekends hire of approx £35 and saving the vat. Then once done I have an old hoover for the garage if it survives.
Electrolux Z4702B Upright Cyclonic Vacuum Cleaner and Electrolux Z3318 Compact Lightweight Bagged Cylinder are on offer for £36 and 40. So basically my question is if anyone has either of the Electrolux models do you think they would stand up to the agro, also same idea on the Dyson.
TIA. :y
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Dysons are about as much use as a choccy fireguard when it comes to sucking up brick dust, etc. It goes straight through the cyclones because the paritcles are too small then clogs the HEPA filter in minutes.
I have a really cheap, nasty power devil conventional vacuum cleaner with a bag that I use for DIY purposes and it does a much better job than anything exotic.
Kevin
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The electrolux hooves I have used have driven me mad.
The one thing to watch for with any hoover, which is a fair clue as to how it will perform is the route the dirt takes to get into the canister.
The dysons, straight off the brushbar into the cansiter, or use the tools intot he canister.
The elctrolux's I have used suck ALL the dirt throught the tools, no suction switch, this makes them very suscepitble to blockages when sucking up things a little to large.
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Dirt devil in the lead so far then.
Cheers for the replies. :y
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Or alternatively see if you can pick up a cheap "water filter" hoover... Ours uses water as a filter and nothing gets through :y :y :y
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We have an upright Electrolux. Can't recall the model number but its about 2kW and awesomely powerful. Only problem is the waste container tends to block and if you don't notice the thermal trip then goes off and you have 20 min wait for it to reset. But its splendid with cat hairs etc.
If you have carpets it would be worth looking at renting a proper carpet cleaner.
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What about the Henrys? We've got one of them, and they always seem to be used by cleaners and builders...
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What about the Henrys? We've got one of them, and they always seem to be used by cleaners and builders...
I agree :y Spend some money and buy a new one, it will last you for years in the garage and ideal for the car. You can put bags in them, and you can buy all the spare parts that will ever be needed.
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They are vacuums and not Hoovers, sorry a little niggle that goes back to the Comet days :-[ ;D
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I have an old Vax which I use for such work.
Dysons are are over rated shite at the best if times and only really function well as door stops or household waste skip fillers at the tip.
You really need to be thinking along the lines of a filter or bag based cleaner for such work.
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As we own Dyson and Vax.
The Dyson is a good carpet cleaner but does require regular servicing.
Removing hair from power head.
Blasting cyclone with compressed air.
The Vax is a bit old but we use it mainly for washing - it does the job.
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I have a Dyson DCo7 Animal and am very happy with it, have also seen a Bosch upright in action and was impressed with that, but not sure if it was bagless.
The reason for this thread is that I want to give my new place a good going over with a hoover before it gets a good clean through out before and after preping to decorate. Main problem with be brick and plaster dust.
Rang a vac and then tool hire place up and didnt like thier daily charges for bagged hoovers, so nipped on the bay to see what i could pick up locally, there are some DC04's couple of Electrolux and some others within 10 miles, so I thought rather than knacker mine get annother for the same cost of a weekends hire of approx £35 and saving the vat. Then once done I have an old hoover for the garage if it survives.
Electrolux Z4702B Upright Cyclonic Vacuum Cleaner and Electrolux Z3318 Compact Lightweight Bagged Cylinder are on offer for £36 and 40. So basically my question is if anyone has either of the Electrolux models do you think they would stand up to the agro, also same idea on the Dyson.
TIA. :y
We have women to do chores like that in the U.K Skruntie...................................you'll never get me pushing a hoover around...............woman's work. :y :y :y :y :y
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good job we don't have a female admin.. ;)
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We had a "Henry" in our halls of residence at university. Anything that hit the floor, other than incapacitated students, it dealt with, and we never managed to break it. :y
Kevin
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a recent study has found that having a dyson vac is just like been married after 1 year they stop sucking and make a constant whining noise. sound famil to any one. ;D ;D ;D
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We had a "Henry" in our halls of residence at university. Anything that hit the floor, other than incapacitated students, it dealt with, and we never managed to break it. :y
Kevin
We broke ours, it didn't like clearing a blocked bog......we were sensible though, we borrowed the one from two floors below us! ;D ;D
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We had a "Henry" in our halls of residence at university. Anything that hit the floor, other than incapacitated students, it dealt with, and we never managed to break it. :y
Kevin
We broke ours, it didn't like clearing a blocked bog......we were sensible though, we borrowed the one from two floors below us! ;D ;D
Yuk!!!!! :-? :-? :-?
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Got one of them Dyson animal ball thingy ma jigs, very good hoover but the Electroluxs' that i've had have been cr@p
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We have an upright Electrolux. Can't recall the model number but its about 2kW and awesomely powerful. Only problem is the waste container tends to block and if you don't notice the thermal trip then goes off and you have 20 min wait for it to reset. But its splendid with cat hairs etc.
If you have carpets it would be worth looking at renting a proper carpet cleaner.
Its to sort out the dust and grit removel after some building works are done, if it was just a room I would use my Dyson, but I think the cylinder would get scratched. hence I wanted something industrial to rent or just buy something cheap that would do the job but would end up looking tatty or even wrecked
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Have got a vax but emptying the bag every 2 mins would piss me off.
Henry is by far the best bet, have had a couple over the years, this is really what started the thread though. £22 plus vat for 1st day and then half price, or £139+vat to buy, which is why I went looking on the bay.
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I have a Dyson (the green one - is that a DC40?), and it's the best vacuum I've ever used. What I really like about it is that cos it's cyclonic and doesn't use a bag nothing it sucks up comes out again into the atmosphere. I have a bit of a dust allergy, and a good session with the old Hoover used to get me coughing and wheezing, especially if I'd been having a go at somewhere that didn't get done very often, like under the bed. With the Dyson I can clean anywhere with never a sniffle. I've used it after minor brickwork jobs and it seemed to cope okay, though I've never tried after a major demolition job.
I've got a Vax as well, bought off *bay, and that's brilliant for washing the carpets, I'd highly recommend it.
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Never been hugely impressed with dysons. So-so cleaning, and desperately delicate and unreliable. An abundance of cheap spares on fleabay theough - you'll need them!
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I have a Dyson (the green one - is that a DC40?), and it's the best vacuum I've ever used. What I really like about it is that cos it's cyclonic and doesn't use a bag nothing it sucks up comes out again into the atmosphere. I have a bit of a dust allergy, and a good session with the old Hoover used to get me coughing and wheezing, especially if I'd been having a go at somewhere that didn't get done very often, like under the bed. With the Dyson I can clean anywhere with never a sniffle. I've used it after minor brickwork jobs and it seemed to cope okay, though I've never tried after a major demolition job.
I've got a Vax as well, bought off *bay, and that's brilliant for washing the carpets, I'd highly recommend it.
Yes, which is a myth....the cyclone action can not remove small particles adn the cylone setups rely on filters to get anything smaller out....hecne they are no better than a standard bag based hover from that perspective :y
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A hooovoor?
Whats that then?
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I have a Dyson (the green one - is that a DC40?), and it's the best vacuum I've ever used. What I really like about it is that cos it's cyclonic and doesn't use a bag nothing it sucks up comes out again into the atmosphere. I have a bit of a dust allergy, and a good session with the old Hoover used to get me coughing and wheezing, especially if I'd been having a go at somewhere that didn't get done very often, like under the bed. With the Dyson I can clean anywhere with never a sniffle. I've used it after minor brickwork jobs and it seemed to cope okay, though I've never tried after a major demolition job.
I've got a Vax as well, bought off *bay, and that's brilliant for washing the carpets, I'd highly recommend it.
Yes, which is a myth....the cyclone action can not remove small particles adn the cylone setups rely on filters to get anything smaller out....hecne they are no better than a standard bag based hover from that perspective :y
yup, and dyson as small filter. I tends to look clean (as larger particles removed in cyclone?), but dyson much better if you wash filter every 2 or 3 weeks. i still wouldn't buy another though...
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We have an old orange vax without bag thats used for building crud, attachment to woodworking tools and the like. Filters are cloth and easy washed out.
Bit like a timex - takes a lickin' but keeps on tikkin' !!!!
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i have a henry, :y :y
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Electrolux Hovers are not upto the task of small dust!!
We have a Electrolux Bagless thingy mebob that i have had to strip down and clean the motor brushes because of shake & vac so im sure brick dust will produce similar results!
You cant beat a good old Henry! or Henryetta if your a girly
I had a DC-07 that went on a flying lesson and didnt survive :( they are good hovers they just wont hover up water nor do they like deep pile carpets
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I have a Dyson (the green one - is that a DC40?), and it's the best vacuum I've ever used. What I really like about it is that cos it's cyclonic and doesn't use a bag nothing it sucks up comes out again into the atmosphere. I have a bit of a dust allergy, and a good session with the old Hoover used to get me coughing and wheezing, especially if I'd been having a go at somewhere that didn't get done very often, like under the bed. With the Dyson I can clean anywhere with never a sniffle. I've used it after minor brickwork jobs and it seemed to cope okay, though I've never tried after a major demolition job.
I've got a Vax as well, bought off *bay, and that's brilliant for washing the carpets, I'd highly recommend it.
Yes, which is a myth....the cyclone action can not remove small particles adn the cylone setups rely on filters to get anything smaller out....hecne they are no better than a standard bag based hover from that perspective :y
yup, and dyson as small filter. I tends to look clean (as larger particles removed in cyclone?), but dyson much better if you wash filter every 2 or 3 weeks. i still wouldn't buy another though...
..and as for the "not losing any suction - like you do with a bag"advertising sh1te they peddle - well, go and tell an industrial process engineer that cyclones don't use any energy. ;D
In fact, didn't they used to harp on about having tried hundreds of different cyclones before they found one that works? LOL - trial end error - speaks wonders of their engineering prowess. Perhaps they should have employed someone who knows what he is doing. It's not rocket science.
Sorry, not a fan of Dyson, although I've not managed to kill the one I was given yet. Next time the loo blocks, it's had it, though. [smiley=evil.gif]
Kevin
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I have a Dyson (the green one - is that a DC40?), and it's the best vacuum I've ever used. What I really like about it is that cos it's cyclonic and doesn't use a bag nothing it sucks up comes out again into the atmosphere. I have a bit of a dust allergy, and a good session with the old Hoover used to get me coughing and wheezing, especially if I'd been having a go at somewhere that didn't get done very often, like under the bed. With the Dyson I can clean anywhere with never a sniffle. I've used it after minor brickwork jobs and it seemed to cope okay, though I've never tried after a major demolition job.
I've got a Vax as well, bought off *bay, and that's brilliant for washing the carpets, I'd highly recommend it.
Yes, which is a myth....the cyclone action can not remove small particles adn the cylone setups rely on filters to get anything smaller out....hecne they are no better than a standard bag based hover from that perspective :y
I could never understand how Dyson got away with there early T.V advert claim of "no bag so no loss of suction" the bloody things stopped sucking when the filters clogged up! >:(
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Go for a Henry. Reliable, tough and seem to cope with all jobs. Think Homebase were doing them for about 90 odd quid a couple of weeks ago :y
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I have a Dyson (the green one - is that a DC40?), and it's the best vacuum I've ever used. What I really like about it is that cos it's cyclonic and doesn't use a bag nothing it sucks up comes out again into the atmosphere. I have a bit of a dust allergy, and a good session with the old Hoover used to get me coughing and wheezing, especially if I'd been having a go at somewhere that didn't get done very often, like under the bed. With the Dyson I can clean anywhere with never a sniffle. I've used it after minor brickwork jobs and it seemed to cope okay, though I've never tried after a major demolition job.
I've got a Vax as well, bought off *bay, and that's brilliant for washing the carpets, I'd highly recommend it.
Yes, which is a myth....the cyclone action can not remove small particles adn the cylone setups rely on filters to get anything smaller out....hecne they are no better than a standard bag based hover from that perspective :y
I could never understand how Dyson got away with there early T.V advert claim of "no bag so no loss of suction" the bloody things stopped sucking when the filters clogged up! >:(
The latest Dyson ball add makes me laff. He goes on about the old fashied inline wheels and uses annother brand to explain. They should make him compare against his own.
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So, no one rates the Dyson.
Henry seems favourite so far. Vax is fairing well as a dry hoover allthough I consider then good in the case of excess water but shite as a decent caroet cleaner.
So what do you all recomend as a decent upright cleaner then? (seeing as we know what you dont like)
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For 'normal' cleaning been very happy with the dyson.
dc07 animal like yours, about 3-4 years old now started getting a little tempremental though, need to have a play.
Has been the best cleaner we have had.
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For 'normal' cleaning been very happy with the dyson.
dc07 animal like yours, about 3-4 years old now started getting a little tempremental though, need to have a play.
Has been the best cleaner we have had.
Must admit I like mine, never actually washed the filters but I think they are abbout ready for it. But I think I put a new set in a couple of years ago so I could alternate them.
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I have a Dyson (the green one - is that a DC40?), and it's the best vacuum I've ever used. What I really like about it is that cos it's cyclonic and doesn't use a bag nothing it sucks up comes out again into the atmosphere. I have a bit of a dust allergy, and a good session with the old Hoover used to get me coughing and wheezing, especially if I'd been having a go at somewhere that didn't get done very often, like under the bed. With the Dyson I can clean anywhere with never a sniffle. I've used it after minor brickwork jobs and it seemed to cope okay, though I've never tried after a major demolition job.
I've got a Vax as well, bought off *bay, and that's brilliant for washing the carpets, I'd highly recommend it.
Yes, which is a myth....the cyclone action can not remove small particles adn the cylone setups rely on filters to get anything smaller out....hecne they are no better than a standard bag based hover from that perspective :y
I could never understand how Dyson got away with there early T.V advert claim of "no bag so no loss of suction" the bloody things stopped sucking when the filters clogged up! >:(
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Very true. I have run my Dyson DC01 for years without any filters.
have had no problems since then,and no damage to the dyson either. :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Three key problems with Dysons
1) Appaling build quality, very flimsy
2) Shite motors, these are the hard bits to get right, they often burn out and Dyson were so tight in the design they didn't even fit a thermal trip!
3) VERY over priced
Everybody makes the judgement that they work well based on observation of the one clever thing on them and that is the clear tank that catches the shite. People see the amount sucked up and go 'ooohhh that must be good'!
In addition, they have rather big motors (the rest do to now) and they were one of the first to have 2+hp motors (many were clsoer to 1hp) and this was the key reason they had more suction, not the cyclone! Makes them bloody heavy though!
So Dyson, great marketing, shite product and there are always those out there daft enough to buy such things (although thier sales have dropped massively since the competition adopted large motors and cyclone filtering).
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We've had a "Kirby" for 20 years now, extremely reliable, and works very, very well.
I know the initial outlay is expensive, but they last forever. Just had a major service done on it (I do 90% myself as it's not rocket science, but it gets a "treat" every 5 years .. or when some extra parts are needed .. :))
New cable, new backplate (I damaged these when I dropped it down the stairs!), new motor brushes, and a new internal hose that was split.... total cost £68 ... and other than the odd belt & bag thats it for the last 5 years, for an excellent vacuum cleaner that also doubles as a carpet shampooer and an orbital sander... !!
Not everyones choice ..... :)
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I have a Dyson (the green one - is that a DC40?), and it's the best vacuum I've ever used. What I really like about it is that cos it's cyclonic and doesn't use a bag nothing it sucks up comes out again into the atmosphere. I have a bit of a dust allergy, and a good session with the old Hoover used to get me coughing and wheezing, especially if I'd been having a go at somewhere that didn't get done very often, like under the bed. With the Dyson I can clean anywhere with never a sniffle. I've used it after minor brickwork jobs and it seemed to cope okay, though I've never tried after a major demolition job.
I've got a Vax as well, bought off *bay, and that's brilliant for washing the carpets, I'd highly recommend it.
Yes, which is a myth....the cyclone action can not remove small particles adn the cylone setups rely on filters to get anything smaller out....hecne they are no better than a standard bag based hover from that perspective :y
I could never understand how Dyson got away with there early T.V advert claim of "no bag so no loss of suction" the bloody things stopped sucking when the filters clogged up! >:(
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Very true. I have run my Dyson DC01 for years without any filters.
have had no problems since then,and no damage to the dyson either. :-* :-* :-* :-*
There should be a filter above the cyclone to catch the fine particles that don't drop out in the cyclone?
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Three key problems with Dysons
1) Appaling build quality, very flimsy
2) Shite motors, these are the hard bits to get right, they often burn out and Dyson were so tight in the design they didn't even fit a thermal trip!
3) VERY over priced
Everybody makes the judgement that they work well based on observation of the one clever thing on them and that is the clear tank that catches the shite. People see the amount sucked up and go 'ooohhh that must be good'!
In addition, they have rather big motors (the rest do to now) and they were one of the first to have 2+hp motors (many were clsoer to 1hp) and this was the key reason they had more suction, not the cyclone! Makes them bloody heavy though!
So Dyson, great marketing, shite product and there are always those out there daft enough to buy such things (although thier sales have dropped massively since the competition adopted large motors and cyclone filtering).
But being cyclone based, it needs a more powerful motor doesn't it?
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1) Appaling build quality, very flimsy
Not sure technically a build issue, more a design issue to use flimsey plastic.....
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Build quality is 90% attributable to design.....poor design equals poor build quality :y