Yeah and whats wrong with that...the seller wants the highest price he can achieve.
If you simply enter your maximum bid too start then there's no way the scam would work.
Cant see the problem... :)
Yeah and whats wrong with that...the seller wants the highest price he can achieve.This is a different scam, where the BUYER is shill bidding to get an item cheaper (by overpricing it early and other potential buyers don't bother).
If you simply enter your maximum bid too start then there's no way the scam would work.
Cant see the problem... :)
QuoteYeah and whats wrong with that...the seller wants the highest price he can achieve.This is a different scam, where the BUYER is shill bidding to get an item cheaper (by overpricing it early and other potential buyers don't bother).
If you simply enter your maximum bid too start then there's no way the scam would work.
Cant see the problem... :)
stuart30 - In your case, what you are doing is wrong and against ebay rules. If you want to get a certain price, set a rather reserve, its not difficult, nor is it rocket science. Sellers who don't play with a level playing field is exactly why ebay is ruinned. If people played it honestly, stuff finds its natural market value, and everyone is happy. Scumbags who don't want to play by the rules ruin it for everyone.
Yes, e-bay I do not use and would never use when buying or selling a car, or anything else for that matter. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Personal, face to face Private or Trade dealing, with someone accompanying me, will always be my preferred method! 8-) 8-) 8-)
Yes, e-bay I do not use and would never use when buying or selling a car, or anything else for that matter. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Personal, face to face Private or Trade dealing, with someone accompanying me, will always be my preferred method! 8-) 8-) 8-)
In a proper auction, you bid in small increments so it goes at the lowest price possible - thats the point (assuming the auctioneer isn't crooked).QuoteQuoteYeah and whats wrong with that...the seller wants the highest price he can achieve.This is a different scam, where the BUYER is shill bidding to get an item cheaper (by overpricing it early and other potential buyers don't bother).
If you simply enter your maximum bid too start then there's no way the scam would work.
Cant see the problem... :)
stuart30 - In your case, what you are doing is wrong and against ebay rules. If you want to get a certain price, set a rather reserve, its not difficult, nor is it rocket science. Sellers who don't play with a level playing field is exactly why ebay is ruinned. If people played it honestly, stuff finds its natural market value, and everyone is happy. Scumbags who don't want to play by the rules ruin it for everyone.
Trouble is TB Ebay was ruined long ago...before i used it.
Setting a reserve is fine however that incures more cost,im sure as hell aint paying even more than i already do.
If someone wants too pay £500 then all they need do is enter £500 as there bid...if some silly bugger wants too set a false price thats way above market value then the £500 bidder simply wouldn't win so no harm has come too them,the only potential loser is the seller....hence why i cant see a problem.
I feel the same way about ""sniping tools"" as you sound you do with shill bidding...hardly ""fair"" now are they. ::)
Hmmm actually these people who you call scumbags does that include the auctioneers in well known auction houses who pretend there's more bidders bidding than there actually is....ummm whilst it maybe morally questionable is perfectly legal.....maybe not on Ebay but who cares.
QuoteQuoteYeah and whats wrong with that...the seller wants the highest price he can achieve.This is a different scam, where the BUYER is shill bidding to get an item cheaper (by overpricing it early and other potential buyers don't bother).
If you simply enter your maximum bid too start then there's no way the scam would work.
Cant see the problem... :)
stuart30 - In your case, what you are doing is wrong and against ebay rules. If you want to get a certain price, set a rather reserve, its not difficult, nor is it rocket science. Sellers who don't play with a level playing field is exactly why ebay is ruinned. If people played it honestly, stuff finds its natural market value, and everyone is happy. Scumbags who don't want to play by the rules ruin it for everyone.
Trouble is TB Ebay was ruined long ago...before i used it.
Setting a reserve is fine however that incures more cost,im sure as hell aint paying even more than i already do.
If someone wants too pay £500 then all they need do is enter £500 as there bid...if some silly bugger wants too set a false price thats way above market value then the £500 bidder simply wouldn't win so no harm has come too them,the only potential loser is the seller....hence why i cant see a problem.
I feel the same way about ""sniping tools"" as you sound you do with shill bidding...hardly ""fair"" now are they. ::)
Hmmm actually these people who you call scumbags does that include the auctioneers in well known auction houses who pretend there's more bidders bidding than there actually is....ummm whilst it maybe morally questionable is perfectly legal.....maybe not on Ebay but who cares.
The simplest solution is for ebay to ban retraction of bids at all stages.
If I remember correctly the rules, (or guidelines ::), say that bids may be retracted only in exceptional circumstances, which is obviously ignored by ebay. They don't give a toss so long as they secure their fees.
QuoteThe simplest solution is for ebay to ban retraction of bids at all stages.
If I remember correctly the rules, (or guidelines ::), say that bids may be retracted only in exceptional circumstances, which is obviously ignored by ebay. They don't give a toss so long as they secure their fees.
I think you can check a persons profile. and I believe it lists things like bid retractions. So do your home work where ever you can.
A lot of sellers have multiple accounts in an attempt to gain higher prices by bidding up their own items. as TB says it's against the rules.
Stuart, it seems you have no scrupples in makeing money, and sadly for that reason if you ever get stuffed with a trade on Ebay then I have no sympathy for you. :-/
QuoteIn a proper auction, you bid in small increments so it goes at the lowest price possible - thats the point (assuming the auctioneer isn't crooked).QuoteQuoteYeah and whats wrong with that...the seller wants the highest price he can achieve.This is a different scam, where the BUYER is shill bidding to get an item cheaper (by overpricing it early and other potential buyers don't bother).
If you simply enter your maximum bid too start then there's no way the scam would work.
Cant see the problem... :)
stuart30 - In your case, what you are doing is wrong and against ebay rules. If you want to get a certain price, set a rather reserve, its not difficult, nor is it rocket science. Sellers who don't play with a level playing field is exactly why ebay is ruinned. If people played it honestly, stuff finds its natural market value, and everyone is happy. Scumbags who don't want to play by the rules ruin it for everyone.
Trouble is TB Ebay was ruined long ago...before i used it.
Setting a reserve is fine however that incures more cost,im sure as hell aint paying even more than i already do.
If someone wants too pay £500 then all they need do is enter £500 as there bid...if some silly bugger wants too set a false price thats way above market value then the £500 bidder simply wouldn't win so no harm has come too them,the only potential loser is the seller....hence why i cant see a problem.
I feel the same way about ""sniping tools"" as you sound you do with shill bidding...hardly ""fair"" now are they. ::)
Hmmm actually these people who you call scumbags does that include the auctioneers in well known auction houses who pretend there's more bidders bidding than there actually is....ummm whilst it maybe morally questionable is perfectly legal.....maybe not on Ebay but who cares.
Online not really so possible in same way, so you tell ebay your ceiling, it bids on your behalf.
An open auction, including Ebay, is not about an item going for the maximum any one person is prepared to pay, its about it going for the market value on the day. If you go to an auction house to buy something, you don't say how much you are prepared to pay for an item, which in effect what tossers who shill bid their own items are trying to achieve.
Note, ebay do not run closed auctions. I'm sure there are plenty of sites that do, or if there are not, then there is you business opportunity.
So your only reason for not putting a reserve on is the extra cost? Well, either pay the reserve, or let the item go at market value, not your idea of inflated prices. Or use Buy It Now.
No wonder Ebay has a bad name when some of its members think they are entitled to something for nothing.
I feel with some auctions, I have to use sniping tools, to conteract the dishonest sellers >:(
>:(
If you fancy giving me your ebay ID, I can add it to my Ebay Ignore list....
stuart30 - In your case, what you are doing is wrong and against ebay rules. If you want to get a certain price, set a rather reserve, its not difficult, nor is it rocket science. Sellers who don't play with a level playing field is exactly why ebay is ruinned. If people played it honestly, stuff finds its natural market value, and everyone is happy. Scumbags who don't want to play by the rules ruin it for everyone.
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stuart30 - In your case, what you are doing is wrong and against ebay rules. If you want to get a certain price, set a rather reserve, its not difficult, nor is it rocket science. Sellers who don't play with a level playing field is exactly why ebay is ruinned. If people played it honestly, stuff finds its natural market value, and everyone is happy. Scumbags who don't want to play by the rules ruin it for everyone.
Couldn't agee more - if you need to CHEAT you shouldn't be playing.
Please give me your ebay ID, so I can make sure I don't bid on any of your auctions >:(
What the hell is there to disagree about? Its an open AUCTION. What part of that is so rather difficult? It doesn't need a massive amount of intelligence.QuoteQuoteIn a proper auction, you bid in small increments so it goes at the lowest price possible - thats the point (assuming the auctioneer isn't crooked).QuoteQuoteYeah and whats wrong with that...the seller wants the highest price he can achieve.This is a different scam, where the BUYER is shill bidding to get an item cheaper (by overpricing it early and other potential buyers don't bother).
If you simply enter your maximum bid too start then there's no way the scam would work.
Cant see the problem... :)
stuart30 - In your case, what you are doing is wrong and against ebay rules. If you want to get a certain price, set a rather reserve, its not difficult, nor is it rocket science. Sellers who don't play with a level playing field is exactly why ebay is ruinned. If people played it honestly, stuff finds its natural market value, and everyone is happy. Scumbags who don't want to play by the rules ruin it for everyone.
Trouble is TB Ebay was ruined long ago...before i used it.
Setting a reserve is fine however that incures more cost,im sure as hell aint paying even more than i already do.
If someone wants too pay £500 then all they need do is enter £500 as there bid...if some silly bugger wants too set a false price thats way above market value then the £500 bidder simply wouldn't win so no harm has come too them,the only potential loser is the seller....hence why i cant see a problem.
I feel the same way about ""sniping tools"" as you sound you do with shill bidding...hardly ""fair"" now are they. ::)
Hmmm actually these people who you call scumbags does that include the auctioneers in well known auction houses who pretend there's more bidders bidding than there actually is....ummm whilst it maybe morally questionable is perfectly legal.....maybe not on Ebay but who cares.
Online not really so possible in same way, so you tell ebay your ceiling, it bids on your behalf.
An open auction, including Ebay, is not about an item going for the maximum any one person is prepared to pay, its about it going for the market value on the day. If you go to an auction house to buy something, you don't say how much you are prepared to pay for an item, which in effect what tossers who shill bid their own items are trying to achieve.
Note, ebay do not run closed auctions. I'm sure there are plenty of sites that do, or if there are not, then there is you business opportunity.
So your only reason for not putting a reserve on is the extra cost? Well, either pay the reserve, or let the item go at market value, not your idea of inflated prices. Or use Buy It Now.
No wonder Ebay has a bad name when some of its members think they are entitled to something for nothing.
I feel with some auctions, I have to use sniping tools, to conteract the dishonest sellers >:(
>:(
If you fancy giving me your ebay ID, I can add it to my Ebay Ignore list....
I disagree....when i wish too buy an item i have a maximum amount im prepared too pay,its not what its worth too the seller its what its worth too me.
If i see a car and i feel its worth £500 too me i bid £500......if it sells for less great if it sells for more then its not worth it too me.
I sell stuff on ebay too make as much money as i can....hell thats why im selling it. ::)
Skuntie if i had no morals i wouldn't have sold my Car too a member on here for half of that i could have made on Ebay and even then let the chap off a few quid when it came too handing over the folding.....im not out too rip anyone off (can all members on here HONESTLY say that i think not) however if someone on Ebay is happy too pay the price THERE bidding then fine....remember im not sitting on there computer making them bid am i....its there choice.
Im more than happy too take any flack..id rather be honest and up front about Ebay than keep quiet and secretly laugh at buyers. :-? ::)
Oh and i have 100% feedback....on over 300 sales/buys.
QuoteWhat the hell is there to disagree about? Its an open AUCTION. What part of that is so rather difficult? It doesn't need a massive amount of intelligence.QuoteQuoteIn a proper auction, you bid in small increments so it goes at the lowest price possible - thats the point (assuming the auctioneer isn't crooked).QuoteQuoteYeah and whats wrong with that...the seller wants the highest price he can achieve.This is a different scam, where the BUYER is shill bidding to get an item cheaper (by overpricing it early and other potential buyers don't bother).
If you simply enter your maximum bid too start then there's no way the scam would work.
Cant see the problem... :)
stuart30 - In your case, what you are doing is wrong and against ebay rules. If you want to get a certain price, set a rather reserve, its not difficult, nor is it rocket science. Sellers who don't play with a level playing field is exactly why ebay is ruinned. If people played it honestly, stuff finds its natural market value, and everyone is happy. Scumbags who don't want to play by the rules ruin it for everyone.
Trouble is TB Ebay was ruined long ago...before i used it.
Setting a reserve is fine however that incures more cost,im sure as hell aint paying even more than i already do.
If someone wants too pay £500 then all they need do is enter £500 as there bid...if some silly bugger wants too set a false price thats way above market value then the £500 bidder simply wouldn't win so no harm has come too them,the only potential loser is the seller....hence why i cant see a problem.
I feel the same way about ""sniping tools"" as you sound you do with shill bidding...hardly ""fair"" now are they. ::)
Hmmm actually these people who you call scumbags does that include the auctioneers in well known auction houses who pretend there's more bidders bidding than there actually is....ummm whilst it maybe morally questionable is perfectly legal.....maybe not on Ebay but who cares.
Online not really so possible in same way, so you tell ebay your ceiling, it bids on your behalf.
An open auction, including Ebay, is not about an item going for the maximum any one person is prepared to pay, its about it going for the market value on the day. If you go to an auction house to buy something, you don't say how much you are prepared to pay for an item, which in effect what tossers who shill bid their own items are trying to achieve.
Note, ebay do not run closed auctions. I'm sure there are plenty of sites that do, or if there are not, then there is you business opportunity.
So your only reason for not putting a reserve on is the extra cost? Well, either pay the reserve, or let the item go at market value, not your idea of inflated prices. Or use Buy It Now.
No wonder Ebay has a bad name when some of its members think they are entitled to something for nothing.
I feel with some auctions, I have to use sniping tools, to conteract the dishonest sellers >:(
>:(
If you fancy giving me your ebay ID, I can add it to my Ebay Ignore list....
I disagree....when i wish too buy an item i have a maximum amount im prepared too pay,its not what its worth too the seller its what its worth too me.
If i see a car and i feel its worth £500 too me i bid £500......if it sells for less great if it sells for more then its not worth it too me.
I sell stuff on ebay too make as much money as i can....hell thats why im selling it. ::)
Skuntie if i had no morals i wouldn't have sold my Car too a member on here for half of that i could have made on Ebay and even then let the chap off a few quid when it came too handing over the folding.....im not out too rip anyone off (can all members on here HONESTLY say that i think not) however if someone on Ebay is happy too pay the price THERE bidding then fine....remember im not sitting on there computer making them bid am i....its there choice.
Im more than happy too take any flack..id rather be honest and up front about Ebay than keep quiet and secretly laugh at buyers. :-? ::)
Oh and i have 100% feedback....on over 300 sales/buys.
Ebay provide the tools to ensure you get the price you want, but you appear to be too tight to pay for that.
If you don't like ebay rules (which most people play by, just ruined by the selfish few) or pricing, try another site, or set up your own rather online shop.
The whole point of an open auction is to allow buyers to get products at the lowest price on the day. Sounds like you need a closed auction - an auction with secret bids, and highest bid is the amount paid. Ebay do not provide this, so use a provider who does. Needless to say, closed auctions are not that popular with buyers for obvious reasons.
Cheating at auctions is fraud.
As said, if you want to be open and up front (which I doubt, as I bet you don't write on your auctions that you are shill bidding to get best price), let us know your ebay ID, so we can all add you to our ignore lists - I don't want to trade with cheating fraudsters >:(
QuoteWhat the hell is there to disagree about? Its an open AUCTION. What part of that is so rather difficult? It doesn't need a massive amount of intelligence.QuoteQuoteIn a proper auction, you bid in small increments so it goes at the lowest price possible - thats the point (assuming the auctioneer isn't crooked).QuoteQuoteYeah and whats wrong with that...the seller wants the highest price he can achieve.This is a different scam, where the BUYER is shill bidding to get an item cheaper (by overpricing it early and other potential buyers don't bother).
If you simply enter your maximum bid too start then there's no way the scam would work.
Cant see the problem... :)
stuart30 - In your case, what you are doing is wrong and against ebay rules. If you want to get a certain price, set a rather reserve, its not difficult, nor is it rocket science. Sellers who don't play with a level playing field is exactly why ebay is ruinned. If people played it honestly, stuff finds its natural market value, and everyone is happy. Scumbags who don't want to play by the rules ruin it for everyone.
Trouble is TB Ebay was ruined long ago...before i used it.
Setting a reserve is fine however that incures more cost,im sure as hell aint paying even more than i already do.
If someone wants too pay £500 then all they need do is enter £500 as there bid...if some silly bugger wants too set a false price thats way above market value then the £500 bidder simply wouldn't win so no harm has come too them,the only potential loser is the seller....hence why i cant see a problem.
I feel the same way about ""sniping tools"" as you sound you do with shill bidding...hardly ""fair"" now are they. ::)
Hmmm actually these people who you call scumbags does that include the auctioneers in well known auction houses who pretend there's more bidders bidding than there actually is....ummm whilst it maybe morally questionable is perfectly legal.....maybe not on Ebay but who cares.
Online not really so possible in same way, so you tell ebay your ceiling, it bids on your behalf.
An open auction, including Ebay, is not about an item going for the maximum any one person is prepared to pay, its about it going for the market value on the day. If you go to an auction house to buy something, you don't say how much you are prepared to pay for an item, which in effect what tossers who shill bid their own items are trying to achieve.
Note, ebay do not run closed auctions. I'm sure there are plenty of sites that do, or if there are not, then there is you business opportunity.
So your only reason for not putting a reserve on is the extra cost? Well, either pay the reserve, or let the item go at market value, not your idea of inflated prices. Or use Buy It Now.
No wonder Ebay has a bad name when some of its members think they are entitled to something for nothing.
I feel with some auctions, I have to use sniping tools, to conteract the dishonest sellers >:(
>:(
If you fancy giving me your ebay ID, I can add it to my Ebay Ignore list....
I disagree....when i wish too buy an item i have a maximum amount im prepared too pay,its not what its worth too the seller its what its worth too me.
If i see a car and i feel its worth £500 too me i bid £500......if it sells for less great if it sells for more then its not worth it too me.
I sell stuff on ebay too make as much money as i can....hell thats why im selling it. ::)
Skuntie if i had no morals i wouldn't have sold my Car too a member on here for half of that i could have made on Ebay and even then let the chap off a few quid when it came too handing over the folding.....im not out too rip anyone off (can all members on here HONESTLY say that i think not) however if someone on Ebay is happy too pay the price THERE bidding then fine....remember im not sitting on there computer making them bid am i....its there choice.
Im more than happy too take any flack..id rather be honest and up front about Ebay than keep quiet and secretly laugh at buyers. :-? ::)
Oh and i have 100% feedback....on over 300 sales/buys.
Ebay provide the tools to ensure you get the price you want, but you appear to be too tight to pay for that.
If you don't like ebay rules (which most people play by, just ruined by the selfish few) or pricing, try another site, or set up your own rather online shop.
The whole point of an open auction is to allow buyers to get products at the lowest price on the day. Sounds like you need a closed auction - an auction with secret bids, and highest bid is the amount paid. Ebay do not provide this, so use a provider who does. Needless to say, closed auctions are not that popular with buyers for obvious reasons.
Cheating at auctions is fraud.
As said, if you want to be open and up front (which I doubt, as I bet you don't write on your auctions that you are shill bidding to get best price), let us know your ebay ID, so we can all add you to our ignore lists - I don't want to trade with cheating fraudsters >:(
this is starting to get quite entertaining ;D
[size=18] let us know your ebay ID,
so we can all add you to our ignore lists -
I don't want to trade with cheating fraudsters[/size]
Totally Agree with TheBoy.
Quote[size=18] let us know your ebay ID,
so we can all add you to our ignore lists -
I don't want to trade with cheating fraudsters[/size]
Totally Agree with TheBoy.
Why because your so worried you might miss out on a bargain....yeah right. ::)
Makes me sick too the stomach the bloody im whiter than white bullshit some of you people come out with....!
People state ""advertised elsewhere"" ""paypal not accepted"" ect ect all break the rules.....its Ebay either get used too it or dont bother using it.
QuoteQuote[size=18] let us know your ebay ID,
so we can all add you to our ignore lists -
I don't want to trade with cheating fraudsters[/size]
Totally Agree with TheBoy.
Why because your so worried you might miss out on a bargain....yeah right. ::)
Makes me sick too the stomach the bloody im whiter than white bullshit some of you people come out with....!
People state ""advertised elsewhere"" ""paypal not accepted"" ect ect all break the rules.....its Ebay either get used too it or dont bother using it.
Been ripped off a few times, especially from tossers who take the money and dont semd the goods. Was an interesying program that Trevor McDonald did on Scammers on Ebay. I caught some of it but not all. The bit I saw was regards the Police and the fact that at the time Ebay offered no help at all regards the con artists. Ebay themselves are just as bad as the minority of people we are talking of in this thread. Money making grabbing baskits.
However with over 300 buy/sales and 100% feedback i think the people ive sold too and bought from know better. ;D
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However with over 300 buy/sales and 100% feedback i think the people ive sold too and bought from know better. ;D
I too "know better" after reading of your 'conveniently favourable' ethics.....I notice you`re rather more shy with regards to actually revealing your eBay ID though. ;D
Yes, e-bay I do not use and would never use when buying or selling a car, or anything else for that matter. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Personal, face to face Private or Trade dealing, with someone accompanying me, will always be my preferred method! 8-) 8-) 8-)
QuoteYes, e-bay I do not use and would never use when buying or selling a car, or anything else for that matter. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Personal, face to face Private or Trade dealing, with someone accompanying me, will always be my preferred method! 8-) 8-) 8-)
This thread has just confirmed all my fears about selling and buying on e-bay and I am definitely going to stick to me policy as stated in my first post on this issue. ::) ::) ::)
All the time there are dodgy, only out for themselves, people out there, as we all know exist and always will as demonstrated during this thread, then e-bay will be a risky enterprise for the innocent and humble. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
In fact I cannot get over how one member has been so blatant in admitting to fraud, a crime, which auction fixing is!! Sod everyone else, eh?? >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Why because your so worried you might miss out on a bargain....yeah right. ::)Your absolutely right, that is against ebay's policies. As a buyer, though, at least you know what you're dealing with.
Makes me sick too the stomach the bloody im whiter than white bullshit some of you people come out with....!
People state ""advertised elsewhere"" ""paypal not accepted"" ect ect all break the rules.....its Ebay either get used too it or dont bother using it.
No skuntie buy from this site...like i said maybe you should read the sticky first....is my name there....hmmmm :-?
Yeah ohhhh oooooerrr dodgy geezer lizzie...carefull i might swindle you out of ya life savings... ;D
I do love all the whiter than white people on here.... :-?
Kinda reminds me of """Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.""
Makes me laugh how some of you think your so moraly superior.... ;D
QuoteYeah ohhhh oooooerrr dodgy geezer lizzie...carefull i might swindle you out of ya life savings... ;D
I do love all the whiter than white people on here.... :-?
Kinda reminds me of """Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.""
Makes me laugh how some of you think your so moraly superior.... ;D
Not "morally superior", Stuart; it`s just that many honest people go 'out of their way' to deal fairly and truthfully in all aspects of their private and financial dealings: "Treating others as one would wish to be treated in return"
Honesty, fairness and ethical-proberty are tenets of a fair and equitable society.
Although you clearly cannot differentiate genuine honesty from piousness; I can assure you that there are honest people and it is they who are horrified (but not surprised) that there are today, so-many who share your ethical mindset.
Honesty is not (as you seem to see it) a weakness.
stuart30 - getting friends and family to fraudulantly bid on your items is still shill bidding.
Yet the tools are there (reserves or start it at or around the price you want) to ensure you get the price you want, but you feel that you shouldn't need to pay such fees? Why is that? Ebay are a big company, and therefore fair game for stealing from?
As many have said, feel free to let us know your ebay id so we don't get conned by you (unless you write on your auctions that you will shill bid), or feel free to post up one of your finished auctions stating that you shill bid.
Other than that, I have nought further to add, and my views of your ebay behaviour will remain unchanged. Shame its a minority of ebayers that ruin it for HONEST ebayers.
Quotestuart30 - getting friends and family to fraudulantly bid on your items is still shill bidding.
Yet the tools are there (reserves or start it at or around the price you want) to ensure you get the price you want, but you feel that you shouldn't need to pay such fees? Why is that? Ebay are a big company, and therefore fair game for stealing from?
As many have said, feel free to let us know your ebay id so we don't get conned by you (unless you write on your auctions that you will shill bid), or feel free to post up one of your finished auctions stating that you shill bid.
Other than that, I have nought further to add, and my views of your ebay behaviour will remain unchanged. Shame its a minority of ebayers that ruin it for HONEST ebayers.
Yes i know its shill bidding TB and as ive said i dont and wont see a problem with it...if you think its just a few that do it and ruin it for the many then your mistaken,if it really upsets you that much then use another auction site (only i can assure you it happens there as well.).
I as others do file share...again thats no legal but it happens...i as others do on occasion break the speed limit....i as others do sometimes put a handful of fuses in a pocket when at the scrap yard.
Is everyone who does the above SCUM because they have broken the law....????
Im sure my thoughts have been made quite clear now.....
QuoteQuotestuart30 - getting friends and family to fraudulantly bid on your items is still shill bidding.
Yet the tools are there (reserves or start it at or around the price you want) to ensure you get the price you want, but you feel that you shouldn't need to pay such fees? Why is that? Ebay are a big company, and therefore fair game for stealing from?
As many have said, feel free to let us know your ebay id so we don't get conned by you (unless you write on your auctions that you will shill bid), or feel free to post up one of your finished auctions stating that you shill bid.
Other than that, I have nought further to add, and my views of your ebay behaviour will remain unchanged. Shame its a minority of ebayers that ruin it for HONEST ebayers.
Yes i know its shill bidding TB and as ive said i dont and wont see a problem with it...if you think its just a few that do it and ruin it for the many then your mistaken,if it really upsets you that much then use another auction site (only i can assure you it happens there as well.).
I as others do file share...again thats no legal but it happens...i as others do on occasion break the speed limit....i as others do sometimes put a handful of fuses in a pocket when at the scrap yard.
Is everyone who does the above SCUM because they have broken the law....????
Im sure my thoughts have been made quite clear now.....
yup they have ... and ... "methinks thou dost protest too much" ... you are wrong but continue to try and justify your position .. to whom .. yourself or us ??? Don't bother with us .. we have already decided what we think..........
Ok... Speaking personally, I feel this has bounced around for far too long. The various folks who have posted up their views obviously have a mahoosive gulf between them of no mans land and, despite attempts to cross same, neither side will relinquish.
I am all for fair argument but perhaps this is getting boring to most on her.
It certainly is to me.
Yes, an ideal world would be all sparkly and bright with everyone playing by the rules for whatever game they want to play.
The auction or E-bay game has rules which are perhaps not enforced as well as most honest folks would like and this makes for unpleasant experiences moreso than pleasant ones for most.
Rather than lock after going round the houses yet again, could we perhaps just let this thread drop? I'm bored..... :)
QuoteQuotestuart30 - getting friends and family to fraudulantly bid on your items is still shill bidding.
Yet the tools are there (reserves or start it at or around the price you want) to ensure you get the price you want, but you feel that you shouldn't need to pay such fees? Why is that? Ebay are a big company, and therefore fair game for stealing from?
As many have said, feel free to let us know your ebay id so we don't get conned by you (unless you write on your auctions that you will shill bid), or feel free to post up one of your finished auctions stating that you shill bid.
Other than that, I have nought further to add, and my views of your ebay behaviour will remain unchanged. Shame its a minority of ebayers that ruin it for HONEST ebayers.
Yes i know its shill bidding TB and as ive said i dont and wont see a problem with it...if you think its just a few that do it and ruin it for the many then your mistaken,if it really upsets you that much then use another auction site (only i can assure you it happens there as well.).
I as others do file share...again thats no legal but it happens...i as others do on occasion break the speed limit....i as others do sometimes put a handful of fuses in a pocket when at the scrap yard.
Is everyone who does the above SCUM because they have broken the law....????
Im sure my thoughts have been made quite clear now.....
yup they have ... and ... "methinks thou dost protest too much" ... you are wrong but continue to try and justify your position .. to whom .. yourself or us ??? Don't bother with us .. we have already decided what we think..........
QuoteQuoteQuotestuart30 - getting friends and family to fraudulantly bid on your items is still shill bidding.
Yet the tools are there (reserves or start it at or around the price you want) to ensure you get the price you want, but you feel that you shouldn't need to pay such fees? Why is that? Ebay are a big company, and therefore fair game for stealing from?
As many have said, feel free to let us know your ebay id so we don't get conned by you (unless you write on your auctions that you will shill bid), or feel free to post up one of your finished auctions stating that you shill bid.
Other than that, I have nought further to add, and my views of your ebay behaviour will remain unchanged. Shame its a minority of ebayers that ruin it for HONEST ebayers.
Yes i know its shill bidding TB and as ive said i dont and wont see a problem with it...if you think its just a few that do it and ruin it for the many then your mistaken,if it really upsets you that much then use another auction site (only i can assure you it happens there as well.).
I as others do file share...again thats no legal but it happens...i as others do on occasion break the speed limit....i as others do sometimes put a handful of fuses in a pocket when at the scrap yard.
Is everyone who does the above SCUM because they have broken the law....????
Im sure my thoughts have been made quite clear now.....
yup they have ... and ... "methinks thou dost protest too much" ... you are wrong but continue to try and justify your position .. to whom .. yourself or us ??? Don't bother with us .. we have already decided what we think..........
Oh i was waiting for that... ;D
What a bunch of self righteous idiots you are. ;D
Do you honestly think i give a toss what any of you think... :-?