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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 May 2009, 12:45:22
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The little project I have been helping with made a major strive forward yesterday.
It was pulled out into the sun and started up for the first time in 6 months.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Ruddington/Class47/DSC00181-1.jpg)
Then yesterday evening she popped off for a nice gentle amble down to Loughborough and back.
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After your personal tour around the trains at york, I have more interest in them now. Still know one from another.
Either way, great work :y
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well done
youve been on that a while now :y :y :y
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Always nice to see something restored.
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I also dont know one from the other (with exception to the ones I have laid my hands on!)
I had to change the engine and ancillary compartment roof filters at the weekend (each about the size of a cooker hood filter), 27 of the bloody things.
Each with 20 years of shite and dust in them......I looked like a member of the black and white minstrels!
I currently have a copy of the schematics for the 47 to study....and its only about 30 pages......we have 60 with more on them for a single small slide in unit at work!
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Sometimes, 'simple' technology is a better way forwards ;)
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And, as I don't think I said so at the time, thanks for your knowledge and enthusism during our visit to NRM :y :y
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Quick photo of the plant room:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Ruddington/Class47/DSC00171-1.jpg)
2 brake air compressors on the left (for air and train brakes), 2 brake exhausters (vaccum pumps to you and me, for vaccum breaking) on the right and the triple pump just out of sight (this pumps the engine coolant, diesel fuel and engine oil).
Just through the door at the back you can see the end of the engine, the red pipes are the coolant pipes to the large oil/water heat exchanger and the yellow barrels just behind the pipes are the 3 oil filters!
I keep trying to get a pic of the engine (its rather huge!) but they never come out!
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Sometimes, 'simple' technology is a better way forwards ;)
Ow, a 47 is simple.
6 series DC motors......want to move, push the lever forward and the engine revs increase and the dyno output goes up.....push it further, it goes up more.
Speed control is done almost totaly by the engine revs.
The only exception is a rather great big contactor that kicks in a set of resistors (calibrated lengths of copper bar in reality) in parralel with the field windings (if you weaken the field on a DC motor it will spin faster) to give a few 'gears' (a 47 has 3 'gears' on most locos).
The 56 is more complex, one 'gear' and full thyristor control from an alternator to the series DC motors.
The modern units are very complex with DC links and some have cyclo convertors and induction motors!
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Triple pump
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Ruddington/Class47/DSC00172-1.jpg)
Water pump on the left and the other 2 pumps just out of sight on the right
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Coupl of other in shed photos
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Ruddington/Class47/DSC00179-1.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/Marks_DTM_Calib/Ruddington/Class47/DSC00180-1.jpg)
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Good work, Mark. :y
Cool pics. 8-)
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That's beautiful Mark!! :-* :-* :-* A lovely example of a class 47! :-* :y :y
When I went trainspotting with my ex (yes I sometimes did that very un-girlie thing!!) I recorded in my ABC BR Motive Power Combined Volume for 1986 (I still have it!! ::) ::)) that very 47292 being at Bristol Temple Meads on a passenger train in 1986. Unfortunately I did not record the exact date in that year, but as I was always a fair weather girl I know it was in the summer months!! :D :D :D ;)
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So it went back to its home town ;D
We have two 47s on our line
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That's beautiful Mark!! :-* :-* :-* A lovely example of a class 47! :-* :y :y
When I went trainspotting with my ex (yes I sometimes did that very un-girlie thing!!) I recorded in my ABC BR Motive Power Combined Volume for 1986 (I still have it!! ::) ::)) that very 47292 being at Bristol Temple Meads on a passenger train in 1986. Unfortunately I did not record the exact date in that year, but as I was always a fair weather girl I know it was in the summer months!! :D :D :D ;)
She did spend a lot of her time around that part of the world (she is ex freighliner).
We have had a few anoraks moaning about the colour scheme as its not one shes ever had (the cabs are normaly fully yellow which looks shite!) but, I think its about spot on and its good that the owner is adding another chapter to her history rather than trying to re-live a past one.
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So it went back to its home town ;D
We have two 47s on our line
We also have another which is next into the shed for work.
It has a weaping liner (but that might sort it self as its been dry for some time) and needs a re-paint.
It has the advantage of electric train heat supply where as 292 has no train heat facilities (yet!)
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I should add, this will be running at the diesel gala this weekend:
http://217.158.157.207/railways/GCRN-Diesel/Gala.htm
We will have running
1 off 08 (if finished in time)
2 off 20's
1 off 25
1 off 37
1 off 47
1 off 56
1 off 66
1 off 73
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still got any class 14 down there. i think gcr had 2 many years ago. 16 & 23 ?.
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still got any class 14 down there. i think gcr had 2 many years ago. 16 & 23 ?.
We dont have any, not sure what GCR has either.....I know Nene Valley had the monopoly on them for quite a while!
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292 is freight machine
47 001 - 299 are boiler or no heat
all 47 3xx are freight machines
all 47 4xx 5xx ect are ETH fitted
47601 / 47901 was the 56 and 58 test loco
477xx were push pull fitted
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still got any class 14 down there. i think gcr had 2 many years ago. 16 & 23 ?.
We dont have any, not sure what GCR has either.....I know Nene Valley had the monopoly on them for quite a while!
Ours used to have 3 now got 1
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still got any class 14 down there. i think gcr had 2 many years ago. 16 & 23 ?.
We dont have any, not sure what GCR has either.....I know Nene Valley had the monopoly on them for quite a while!
Ours used to have 3 now got 1
nice little engines they were.
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That's beautiful Mark!! :-* :-* :-* A lovely example of a class 47! :-* :y :y
When I went trainspotting with my ex (yes I sometimes did that very un-girlie thing!!) I recorded in my ABC BR Motive Power Combined Volume for 1986 (I still have it!! ::) ::)) that very 47292 being at Bristol Temple Meads on a passenger train in 1986. Unfortunately I did not record the exact date in that year, but as I was always a fair weather girl I know it was in the summer months!! :D :D :D ;)
She did spend a lot of her time around that part of the world (she is ex freighliner).
We have had a few anoraks moaning about the colour scheme as its not one shes ever had (the cabs are normaly fully yellow which looks shite!) but, I think its about spot on and its good that the owner is adding another chapter to her history rather than trying to re-live a past one.
Mark you can tell the anoraks they are wrong! ::) ::) ::)
I have colour photos dating from the 1980s at Eastleigh and 1986 at Bristol Temple Meads, which record the BR 47s in the EXACT colour scheme, including the cab, as your 47292!
It is the Intercity liveried 47s that have the yellow around the cab in a slightly different format, but they are still NOT completely yellow! The large BR 'double track' logo, along with the white and red stripe on a silver half body band along the sides is the other difference with the Intercity 47s, as in the case of 47609 I have pictured in 1986.
To reiterate, your 47292 conforms exactly with the standard BR livery scheme for 47s of the 1980s, as in the case of 47279 as I have photographed in 1986 and 47285 photographed earlier on the 26-8-78 at 1305 on Eastleigh Station. :y :y
EDIT: Just noted that 47292 in 1986 was an Immingham based 47/0 engine. ;)
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In fact, both no 16 and no 23 are at Nene Valley
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maybe im getting my numbers mixed up, it was around 1981 when i last saw a class 14 on the gcr. old age setting in im sure. :D
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292 is freight machine
47 001 - 299 are boiler or no heat
all 47 3xx are freight machines
all 47 4xx 5xx ect are ETH fitted
47601 / 47901 was the 56 and 58 test loco
477xx were push pull fitted
Yup, 47292 used to have steam heating fitted which was removed many moons ago.
Its a '2' due to the multiple working kit (which is nothing more than a controlled compress air feed from loco to loco to operate the throttle!)
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That's beautiful Mark!! :-* :-* :-* A lovely example of a class 47! :-* :y :y
When I went trainspotting with my ex (yes I sometimes did that very un-girlie thing!!) I recorded in my ABC BR Motive Power Combined Volume for 1986 (I still have it!! ::) ::)) that very 47292 being at Bristol Temple Meads on a passenger train in 1986. Unfortunately I did not record the exact date in that year, but as I was always a fair weather girl I know it was in the summer months!! :D :D :D ;)
She did spend a lot of her time around that part of the world (she is ex freighliner).
We have had a few anoraks moaning about the colour scheme as its not one shes ever had (the cabs are normaly fully yellow which looks shite!) but, I think its about spot on and its good that the owner is adding another chapter to her history rather than trying to re-live a past one.
Mark you can tell the anoraks they are wrong! ::) ::) ::)
I have colour photos dating from the 1980s at Eastleigh and 1986 at Bristol Temple Meads, which record the BR 47s in the EXACT colour scheme, including the cab, as your 47292!
It is the Intercity liveried 47s that have the yellow around the cab in a slightly different format, but they are still NOT completely yellow! The large BR 'double track' logo, along with the white and red stripe on a silver half body band along the sides is the other difference with the Intercity 47s, as in the case of 47609 I have pictured in 1986.
To reiterate, your 47292 conforms exactly with the standard BR livery scheme for 47s of the 1980s, as in the case of 47279 as I have photographed in 1986 and 47285 photographed earlier on the 26-8-78 at 1305 on Eastleigh Station. :y :y
Looks like you'll be getting your scanner out tonight, so we can have then and now photos...
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Mark you can tell the anoraks they are wrong! ::) ::) ::)
I have colour photos dating from the 1980s at Eastleigh and 1986 at Bristol Temple Meads, which record the BR 47s in the EXACT colour scheme, including the cab, as your 47292!
It is the Intercity liveried 47s that have the yellow around the cab in a slightly different format, but they are still NOT completely yellow! The large BR 'double track' logo, along with the white and red stripe on a silver half body band along the sides is the other difference with the Intercity 47s, as in the case of 47609 I have pictured in 1986.
To reiterate, your 47292 conforms exactly with the standard BR livery scheme for 47s of the 1980s, as in the case of 47279 as I have photographed in 1986 and 47285 photographed earlier on the 26-8-78 at 1305 on Eastleigh Station. :y :y
Lol yes, it is a 47 colour scheme....its just this particular loco was never painted in that.....so you could argue that thats now been put right :D :D :D
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Many photos here of 47292
http://www.brushtype4.co.uk/bt4_gallery.php?s_loco=47292
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i would not mind volunteering to help out, quite liked the workshop at York, could just imagine myself being useful with gadget hands going around those beasts but i know sod all about engines, or electrics, or body work ;D ;D
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Many photos here of 47292
http://www.brushtype4.co.uk/bt4_gallery.php?s_loco=47292
So with this evidence, that conforms exactly with my photographic examples of other 47s in the 1980s, how can the anoraks argue she never carried the BR colours, with a cab fully yellow?
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/47292.jpg)
I have met these anorak types in Steam circles, and the bloody annoy me. They were always the ones who were armchair critics, never doer's like us true railway preservationists! ::) ::) ::)
Anyway certain BR depots / sheds did their own thing, and produced some variation of the 'national policy'. Therefore anything was possible, as were 47s (Swindon Depot) at Bristol in 1985 / 86 fully painted in GWR green and brass name plates to commemorate the 150th anniversary of the GWR! What a lovely sight that was!! 8-) 8-) 8-)
Probably the last 'free range' example of Swindon remaining faithful to it's GWR roots! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* 8-) 8-)
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The arguement will be that it was not large Logo..... ;D ;D
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Many photos here of 47292
http://www.brushtype4.co.uk/bt4_gallery.php?s_loco=47292
Forgive me for being dense, but the pics I looked at show it how your mob have painted it? Or have I missed something?
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Many photos here of 47292
http://www.brushtype4.co.uk/bt4_gallery.php?s_loco=47292
Forgive me for being dense, but the pics I looked at show it how your mob have painted it? Or have I missed something?
The ones near the top are the early ones....we have added the later pics nearer the bottom......including one on the road bridge in front of the Brush works at Loughborough (where it wasnt built!)
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292 is freight machine
47 001 - 299 are boiler or no heat
all 47 3xx are freight machines
all 47 4xx 5xx ect are ETH fitted
47601 / 47901 was the 56 and 58 test loco
477xx were push pull fitted
Yup, 47292 used to have steam heating fitted which was removed many moons ago.
Its a '2' due to the multiple working kit (which is nothing more than a controlled compress air feed from loco to loco to operate the throttle!)
I think the MU was random - don't think they numbered them any differently
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i would not mind volunteering to help out, quite liked the workshop at York, could just imagine myself being useful with gadget hands going around those beasts but i know sod all about engines, or electrics, or body work ;D ;D
You learn - so go for it
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i would not mind volunteering to help out, quite liked the workshop at York, could just imagine myself being useful with gadget hands going around those beasts but i know sod all about engines, or electrics, or body work ;D ;D
You learn - so go for it
I'd like to but its a bit of a haul to do it every weekend, don't think they want people who just come for the day
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i would not mind volunteering to help out, quite liked the workshop at York, could just imagine myself being useful with gadget hands going around those beasts but i know sod all about engines, or electrics, or body work ;D ;D
You learn - so go for it
I'd like to but its a bit of a haul to do it every weekend, don't think they want people who just come for the day
bound to be something similar, nearer...
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i would not mind volunteering to help out, quite liked the workshop at York, could just imagine myself being useful with gadget hands going around those beasts but i know sod all about engines, or electrics, or body work ;D ;D
You learn - so go for it
I'd like to but its a bit of a haul to do it every weekend, don't think they want people who just come for the day
bound to be something similar, nearer...
Lamport Railway just north of Northampton
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These are all under 40 miles I think as Brackley is not on the map I used
http://www.chinnorrailway.co.uk/
http://www.nlr.org.uk/
http://www.didcotrailwaycentre.org.uk/
http://www.bucksrailcentre.org/
http://www.nirt.co.uk/
http://cholsey-wallingford-railway.co.uk/
http://www.gwsr.com/
http://www.buzzrail.co.uk/
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i would not mind volunteering to help out, quite liked the workshop at York, could just imagine myself being useful with gadget hands going around those beasts but i know sod all about engines, or electrics, or body work ;D ;D
You learn - so go for it
I'd like to but its a bit of a haul to do it every weekend, don't think they want people who just come for the day
bound to be something similar, nearer...
Lamport Railway just north of Northampton
Thats an idea, good winding roads up that way. Good excuse to get the bike out :)
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These are all under 40 miles I think as Brackley is not on the map I used
http://www.chinnorrailway.co.uk/
http://www.nlr.org.uk/
http://www.didcotrailwaycentre.org.uk/
http://www.bucksrailcentre.org/
http://www.nirt.co.uk/
http://cholsey-wallingford-railway.co.uk/
http://www.gwsr.com/
http://www.buzzrail.co.uk/
Cheers :y
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i would not mind volunteering to help out, quite liked the workshop at York, could just imagine myself being useful with gadget hands going around those beasts but i know sod all about engines, or electrics, or body work ;D ;D
You learn - so go for it
I'd like to but its a bit of a haul to do it every weekend, don't think they want people who just come for the day
bound to be something similar, nearer...
Lamport Railway just north of Northampton
Thats an idea, good winding roads up that way. Good excuse to get the bike out :)
I spend Thursday evenings fixing Land Rovers (good welding skills required) and very occaionaly do some half days at weekends
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Sorry Mark, but with all this diesel talk, as a loyal steam girl I just have to 'balance the books' and show the engine I worked on when in ex-Barry condition, and become a trainee firewoman on, Bullied, West Country, 4-6-2 34016 Bodmin, which will always be one of my favourite engines :D :D :-* :-* :-* :-* 8-)
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/y1pk176idNrUKOsZeQ7hIi6NvEKKrPdwXfQ.jpg)
PS Suggest to your anorak friends that the 47 should be painted Brunswick Green, with a 'lion and dartboard' BR crest on it's sides and an early 'D' number like D292!! Watch their faces then! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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Lol, the owner was prepared to paint it any colour (other than green due to already having green locos on site).
He even considered painting it black with a copper coloured end if Duracell would have funded the paint job!
Steam, Diesel, Petrol or electric, I care not....its all big heavy engineering! :y
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I admit, I'm really impressed.. :y :y :y
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bloody hell Mark could you not have found something a bit bigger to play with ;D ;D
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bloody hell Mark could you not have found something a bit bigger to play with ;D ;D
Lo.....the bigger the better!
113 Tons in weight with 60 tons of braking effort.
The max speed is supposed to be 75 mph but, I was speaking to a guy who used to drive them and was told that they did go much faster.
There is actualy a max speed label in the cab, this guy was told by his instructor when he enquired about this maximum 'thats not for you lad'!
Everything is big on it......the oil filters are the size of large paint tins (3 off) the air filters are bloody huge.....the fuel tanks are even bigger (it does 5-6 mpg!)
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.......(it does 5-6 mpg!)
which is about twice what your bin wagon does! :o :y :y
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bloody hell Mark could you not have found something a bit bigger to play with ;D ;D
Lo.....the bigger the better!
113 Tons in weight with 60 tons of braking effort.
The max speed is supposed to be 75 mph but, I was speaking to a guy who used to drive them and was told that they did go much faster.
There is actualy a max speed label in the cab, this guy was told by his instructor when he enquired about this maximum 'thats not for you lad'!
Everything is big on it......the oil filters are the size of large paint tins (3 off) the air filters are bloody huge.....the fuel tanks are even bigger (it does 5-6 mpg!)
It makes me wonder how stupid people are when they don't wait at level crossings for the train to pass. What weight could it pull Mark
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They regularly pulled 1000 ton coal trains.
Max weight is very dependent on the line over which its been operated.
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bloody hell Mark could you not have found something a bit bigger to play with ;D ;D
Lo.....the bigger the better!
113 Tons in weight with 60 tons of braking effort.
The max speed is supposed to be 75 mph but, I was speaking to a guy who used to drive them and was told that they did go much faster.
There is actualy a max speed label in the cab, this guy was told by his instructor when he enquired about this maximum 'thats not for you lad'!
Everything is big on it......the oil filters are the size of large paint tins (3 off) the air filters are bloody huge.....the fuel tanks are even bigger (it does 5-6 mpg!)
As good as a 60's muscle car ;D ;D
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bloody hell Mark could you not have found something a bit bigger to play with ;D ;D
Lo.....the bigger the better!
113 Tons in weight with 60 tons of braking effort.
The max speed is supposed to be 75 mph but, I was speaking to a guy who used to drive them and was told that they did go much faster.
There is actualy a max speed label in the cab, this guy was told by his instructor when he enquired about this maximum 'thats not for you lad'!
Everything is big on it......the oil filters are the size of large paint tins (3 off) the air filters are bloody huge.....the fuel tanks are even bigger (it does 5-6 mpg!)
95mph