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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: cem_devecioglu on 29 May 2009, 12:57:31
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yes.. inevitably there are times you see you have to leave the place because you feel you no longer belong to..
now its time for me..
so admins please delete my membership..
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whats wrong mate
don't go :o
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didnt see that coming? whats up mate? not the avatar bashing surely?
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yes.. inevitably there are times you see you have to leave the place because you feel you no longer belong to..
now its time for me..
so admins please delete my membership..
Cem, please whatever has caused this can surely be corrected. Give us a PM if you like and discuss in private if you so wish! ;) ;)
PS I hope it has nothing to do with the BNP thread!! ::) ::)
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As has been said above Cem -- what's the problem ? Don't go -- we will miss our resident philosopher and a good friend :(
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I think its obvious cem is upset about something that has happened on here, if he wasnt he would have just deleted his membership and pm'd an admin.
Never like to see anyone leave though
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what's been going on now???
don't go Cem :'(
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I'll second that.
Don't go cem! Your humour and International perspective on things would be missed.
varche
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EH?? :o Have I missed something cem?
Dont go! :'(
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Cem, why are you off? your a big part of the oof, i'm sure if someone has upset you it was by mistake, have a chat to the admins mate and try and sort it out, wont quite be the same without you here :o :(
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yes.. inevitably there are times you see you have to leave the place because you feel you no longer belong to..
now its time for me..
so admins please delete my membership..
Cem, please whatever has caused this can surely be corrected. Give us a PM if you like and discuss in private if you so wish! ;) ;)
PS I hope it has nothing to do with the BNP thread!! ::) ::)
That's what I was wondering Lizzie. I'm sure Cem posted on that thread but it's not there now. :-?
Possibly Cem found something in it upsetting and decided to delete his post.
Cem.....if you're reading this I hope you decide to stay as you've been a valuable contributor to this forum for a long time. :y
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yes.. inevitably there are times you see you have to leave the place because you feel you no longer belong to..
now its time for me..
so admins please delete my membership..
Cem, please whatever has caused this can surely be corrected. Give us a PM if you like and discuss in private if you so wish! ;) ;)
PS I hope it has nothing to do with the BNP thread!! ::) ::)
That's what I was wondering Lizzie. I'm sure Cem posted on that thread but it's not there now. :-?
Possibly Cem found something in it upsetting and decided to delete his post.
Cem.....if you're reading this I hope you decide to stay as you've been a valuable contributor to this forum for a long time. :y
Funny you should say that Bob, because I was sure he had, but like you I have found no sign of him being on that thread now :o :o. Thought it was my imagination. ::) ::)
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Like everyone says please stay. you have a lot of experience of all the problems that everyone has had. you have a lot of knowledge that you could pass on to old and new miggy drivers. so please think about it. you would be greatly missed.
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you are a good contributor to the oof. i say stay. :y
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I've known Cem for quite a while. He is very sensitive and if something has happened to upset him, we would not necessarily know what it was. If he feels he has reason to leave, then let it be.
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I've known Cem for quite a while. He is very sensitive and if something has happened to upset him, we would not necessarily know what it was. If he feels he has reason to leave, then let it be.
Stmo has a point, sometimes enquires into matters like this can have a negative effect on the individual concerned.
I would tend not to apply any pressure for cem to give his reasons. I'm sure that he's monitoring the forum and will be well aware that we are upset at his departure. I'm also sure that should he wish to reveal his reasons - he will :y
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Sorry to hear this Cem, I have received some great advice from you in the past. I hope I have not said or done anything to offend you. :'(
All the best for the future.
Mike
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The lesson for all members is to 'engage brain before posting' in case remarks, regardless of whether meant in jest ,are misinterpretted particularly by those whose first language is not English
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Cem, it will be a great pity, and a loss to OOF if you do leave the forum, and I hope you reconcider your decision. but whatever you decide I wish you best wishes and good luck for the future.
Regards,
Tony
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Sorry to see you go mate, reconsider :y
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Cem, just logged on matey and found this thread you have started.
What evr the reason at the moment just please leave your account active and maybe you will look in once in a while.
If i have to I will post you a thread of bikini babes just for you. ::) ::)
Please keep in touch matey as I know we have other ways of contact.
keep well and be happy. :) :y
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Just wondering aloud. Was it the comment made on the first page of this thread that upset Cem?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1243334154/0
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Just wondering aloud. Was it the comment made on the first page of this thread that upset Cem?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1243334154/0
If you're referring to my comment about his bad english Nick, then you're well wide of the mark. But dont give up, keep digging ;D
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Just wondering aloud. Was it the comment made on the first page of this thread that upset Cem?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1243334154/0
I hope not :-? and hope that the comment made in jest has translated/come across as a joke. :-/
Cem's English is better than a lot of native English speakers here! :y He even manages to F & blind in English to an acceptably high standard! :y :y :y :y
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Just wondering aloud. Was it the comment made on the first page of this thread that upset Cem?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1243334154/0
I hope not :-? and hope that the comment made in jest has translated/come across as a joke. :-/
Of course it did, we had a laugh about it. But dont let that stop you.
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Just wondering aloud. Was it the comment made on the first page of this thread that upset Cem?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1243334154/0
If you're referring to my comment about his bad english Nick, then you're well wide of the mark. But dont give up, keep digging ;D
Like I said, Steve, I was just wondering. I wasn't digging by the way, I was just reading through the thread because I hadn't done so earlier. ;)
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Just wondering aloud. Was it the comment made on the first page of this thread that upset Cem?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1243334154/0
If you're referring to my comment about his bad english Nick, then you're well wide of the mark. But dont give up, keep digging ;D
Like I said, Steve, I was just wondering. I wasn't digging by the way, I was just reading through the thread because I hadn't done so earlier. ;)
Well you should have read page two when he laughed about it.
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Just wondering aloud. Was it the comment made on the first page of this thread that upset Cem?
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1243334154/0
If you're referring to my comment about his bad english Nick, then you're well wide of the mark. But dont give up, keep digging ;D
Like I said, Steve, I was just wondering. I wasn't digging by the way, I was just reading through the thread because I hadn't done so earlier. ;)
Well you should have read page two when he laughed about it.
Yep, Steve, I missed that. My apologies. Glad it was taken in jest. :-[ :y
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You will also notice that I didn't post in the bnp thread. You should all know better than to debate such an immotive subject on, when all is said and done, a car forum.
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You will also notice that I didn't post in the bnp thread. You should all know better than to debate such an immotive subject on, when all is said and done, a car forum.
True, but we can't talk about cars all the time and this place does become a bit like the local (Nag's Head, anyone?), so emotive subjects will crop up from time to time.
Anyway, it wasn't as emotive a subject as the Great Hall Cupboard Project of 2007. ;) ;D ;Dl
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You will also notice that I didn't post in the bnp thread. You should all know better than to debate such an immotive subject on, when all is said and done, a car forum.
True, but we can't talk about cars all the time and this place does become a bit like the local (Nag's Head, anyone?), so emotive subjects will crop up from time to time.
Anyway, it wasn't as emotive a subject as the Great Hall Cupboard Project of 2007. ;) ;D ;Dl
I'm not on my high horse Nick, but I learned from a very young age (in fact, it was a rule in the local boozer), that politics and religion are a no-no. They are both very close to people's heart, and invariably descend into insults.
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You will also notice that I didn't post in the bnp thread. You should all know better than to debate such an immotive subject on, when all is said and done, a car forum.
True, but we can't talk about cars all the time and this place does become a bit like the local (Nag's Head, anyone?), so emotive subjects will crop up from time to time.
Anyway, it wasn't as emotive a subject as the Great Hall Cupboard Project of 2007. ;) ;D ;Dl
I'm not on my high horse Nick, but I learned from a very young age (in fact, it was a rule in the local boozer), that politics and religion are a no-no. They are both very close to people's heart, and invariably descend into insults.
Fine sentiments, Steve, and I generally endorse them. However, we moan about all sorts of things and, these days, that increasingly includes making comments about the way we are governed. From there, it's a short step to discussing ways of changing the ways we are governed and, from there, it's a short step to discussing how....and there you are embroiled in a political discussion. It's a sort of runaway intercourse... ;) ;D
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You will also notice that I didn't post in the bnp thread. You should all know better than to debate such an immotive subject on, when all is said and done, a car forum.
True, but we can't talk about cars all the time and this place does become a bit like the local (Nag's Head, anyone?), so emotive subjects will crop up from time to time.
Anyway, it wasn't as emotive a subject as the Great Hall Cupboard Project of 2007. ;) ;D ;Dl
I'm not on my high horse Nick, but I learned from a very young age (in fact, it was a rule in the local boozer), that politics and religion are a no-no. They are both very close to people's heart, and invariably descend into insults.
Fine sentiments, Steve, and I generally endorse them. However, we moan about all sorts of things and, these days, that increasingly includes making comments about the way we are governed. From there, it's a short step to discussing ways of changing the ways we are governed and, from there, it's a short step to discussing how....and there you are embroiled in a political discussion. It's a sort of runaway intercourse... ;) ;D
Well, if you put it that way............ ;D :y
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i think what cem needs like other memebers have done is to take a break
he is under a bitof presure at the moment
and cerain things been said on the foum that has affended him
i have spoken to him and i'm not saying what he has told me
he is going to have a break for a few days and then decide if he is going to come back or not
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Well, he isnt an EX-MEMBER yet so we must presume he is still a member.
Anyway, like I mentioned before, worse things happen at sea and all that so it would be nice if he stays but if he decides its not for him anymore I am sure the forum will survive too.
Far more important things in life than this so moving on.........
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Well, he isnt an EX-MEMBER yet so we must presume he is still a member.
Anyway, like I mentioned before, worse things happen at sea and all that so it would be nice if he stays but if he decides its not for him anymore I am sure the forum will survive too.
Far more important things in life than this so moving on.........
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Nicely said Webby mate :y
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Well, he isnt an EX-MEMBER yet so we must presume he is still a member.
Anyway, like I mentioned before, worse things happen at sea and all that so it would be nice if he stays but if he decides its not for him anymore I am sure the forum will survive too.
Far more important things in life than this so moving on.........
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Nicely said Webby mate :y
Nicely said I agree, but I still hope cem decides to stay. He is a nice, courteous and invaluable member with loads of experience and always has given good advice to members here. So, cem, if you read this thread, please stay! Take a break, get things right and I'm no one intended to offend you on purpose.
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CEM in this world there are always people that talk before they engage their brain -- hopefully this is not the case for you to consider leaving.I have personally enjoyed your "fencing" with other members.I intend visiting Turkey this year for my first holiday there and was about to ask you for ideas on where to go -- if you don't stay in the forum the only other Turkish person I know is the guy down the road who runs a burger bar in the lay-by !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and he is a little "strange" :
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Thanks for your warm interest and nice words everyone ..
Anyway I'm here now .. :y
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Thanks for your warm interest and nice words everyone ..
Anyway I'm here now .. :y
Good to see you again :y
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That is great Cem! Lovely to have you back with us all! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* 8-) 8-) ;)
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Thanks for your warm interest and nice words everyone ..
Anyway I'm here now .. :y
And it's nice to see you on again cem :y :y :y
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Thanks for your warm interest and nice words everyone ..
Anyway I'm here now .. :y
well done mate
hope your feeling better :y
remember what i said mate ;) :y
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Thanks for your warm interest and nice words everyone ..
Anyway I'm here now .. :y
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Glad you're back ........ ;)
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Great to see you back Cem :y
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Thanks for your warm interest and nice words everyone ..
Anyway I'm here now .. :y
Good to see you back matey 8-) :D ;) ;D :) :y :P ::)
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Thanks for your warm interest and nice words everyone ..
Anyway I'm here now .. :y
Some people will do anything for a bit of attention :P :P :P ;D
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CEM in this world there are always people that talk before they engage their brain -- hopefully this is not the case for you to consider leaving.I have personally enjoyed your "fencing" with other members.I intend visiting Turkey this year for my first holiday there and was about to ask you for ideas on where to go -- if you don't stay in the forum the only other Turkish person I know is the guy down the road who runs a burger bar in the lay-by !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and he is a little "strange" :
Anytime you ask ..
I can recommend two places..
Depending on your preference..
Fethiye/Ölüdeniz.. Best nature and sea.. (Which I prefer every year)
Bodrum..Best discos..Nature is also ok but not like Fethiye.. And a bit more expensive..
I'll post some details later..
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Thanks for your warm interest and nice words everyone ..
Anyway I'm here now .. :y
Good to see you back Cem :y
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Thanks for your warm interest and nice words everyone ..
Anyway I'm here now .. :y
Some people will do anything for a bit of attention :P :P :P ;D
:'(
;D STMO even in 2 days I missed your jokes :y :y
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Thanks for your warm interest and nice words everyone ..
Anyway I'm here now .. :y
Good to see you back Cem :y
I estimate at that time you finished your monster :y
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Thanks again..Dont give me more interest ..
I feel :-[ :-[ :-[
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Thanks for your warm interest and nice words everyone ..
Anyway I'm here now .. :y
Some people will do anything for a bit of attention :P :P :P ;D
:'(
;D STMO even in 2 days I missed your jokes :y :y
Yeah? Well, I'm not joking when I say you're one of the good guys Cem. Hope you are feeling a bit better about things :y
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Evening Cem. I'm really pleased you changed your mind, we all love you matey!!!! We have our ins & outs on here at times (me included, guilty as charged) so i'm glad whatever happened has'nt got too out of hand & that you're still part of "our gang"!
I especially enjoy the pictures of Turkey you post from time to time. It's good to see where you are.
Take care, Guy. :)
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Great to see you back Cem :y so I can take it that a cheap holiday in Turkey, or even the first OOF international meet will be back on the cards again ::) :) ;)
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No more now please! I feel a bit sick ;D ;D
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No more now please! I feel a bit sick ;D ;D
Serves you right! :D
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yep.. I feel better .. :y :y
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personally i am annoyed you even thought of leaving >:(
how dare you even contemplate it!! :o
your little comments on threads make me chuckle everytime ;D
so keep them coming or i may take a holiday over there to buy you a few drinks, then place a well aimed boot to kick some sense into your butt ;D ;D ;D
love ya Cem!!! :y
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now a small confession,
the day I wanted to leave I couldnt find the "delete my membership button" so I asked for admins ;D :-[
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now a small confession,
the day I wanted to leave I couldnt find the "delete my membership button" so I asked for admins ;D :-[
Next time ask me, I'll show you ;D ;D ;D
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now a small confession,
the day I wanted to leave I couldnt find the "delete my membership button" so I asked for admins ;D :-[
Next time ask me, I'll show you ;D ;D ;D
I'm not sure :y
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Welcome back, Cem! :y
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glad you're back Cem - as has been said - you're one of the good guys!!!! :y :y :y :y
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Nice to see you back Cem. Never really had a "conversation" with you but you always make me laugh! ;D
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Nice to see you back Cem. Never really had a "conversation" with you but you always make me laugh! ;D
Good to hear that :y
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To all members who I couldnt answer individually to their posts:
Thank you everyone, I never expected this much of interest ..Really good to be here.. :y
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To all members who I couldnt answer individually to their posts:
Thank you everyone, I never expected this much of interest ..Really good to be here.. :y
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Thanks for your warm interest and nice words everyone ..
Anyway I'm here now .. :y
Some people will do anything for a bit of attention :P :P :P ;D
And you fell for it hook line and sinker ;D ;D ;D...............nice one Cem :y ;D..........oh and by the way Cem there's no point in me welcoming you back ::)......cos you never really left ;D
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The worlds gone bloody mad........
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The worlds gone bloody mad........
;)
The world has always been mad, it's just that we are spoon fed it every five minutes on the news now.
Dont watch the news or read the papers or surf the net and you'll be a very happy person...I promise.
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Thanks for your warm interest and nice words everyone ..
Anyway I'm here now .. :y
Just read your thread Cem...
Welcome back...
:) :y
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Welcome back :y
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I don't understand the whole "I want to leave so delete my membership".
Exercise that free will and click the red-ex in the corner, easy!
That said, sounds like it's a good thing you didn't go. You got the attention you wanted, anyway! :D
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I don't understand the whole "I want to leave so delete my membership".
Exercise that free will and click the red-ex in the corner, easy!
That said, sounds like it's a good thing you didn't go. You got the attention you wanted, anyway! :D
Exactly...........
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as I stated before the intention was not taking the "attention" by any means..
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as I stated before the intention was not taking the "attention" by any means..
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All your friends know that Cem, so please take no notice ;) ;) ;)
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It's hard to believe that, when you made a thread, waited for everyone to say "don't go", and then said "okay I'll stay".
I don't mean to sound like I'm whining, it's up to you what you do, I just dislike attention seeking of that sort, and it's hard for me to see it another way!
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It's hard to believe that, when you made a thread, waited for everyone to say "don't go", and then said "okay I'll stay".
I don't mean to sound like I'm whining, it's up to you what you do, I just dislike attention seeking of that sort, and it's hard for me to see it another way!
Well you do sound like you're whining, so why dont you shut it. :y
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It's hard to believe that, when you made a thread, waited for everyone to say "don't go", and then said "okay I'll stay".
I don't mean to sound like I'm whining, it's up to you what you do, I just dislike attention seeking of that sort, and it's hard for me to see it another way!
Well you do sound like you're whining, so why dont you shut it. :y
Nice to see you on form this morning Grandad :y
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It's hard to believe that, when you made a thread, waited for everyone to say "don't go", and then said "okay I'll stay".
I don't mean to sound like I'm whining, it's up to you what you do, I just dislike attention seeking of that sort, and it's hard for me to see it another way!
Please leave this subject alone, as Cem did have his reasons which we must all respect. ;) ;)
Sometimes, and it has happened to me, you just feel that your presence is no longer welcome due to some unfortunate remarks. Then you have a rest from it, and the love of the Forum returns (usually!!) ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Nice to see free speech is encouraged here. I'm sorry I'm not saying what people want me to say.
*drops it*
EDIT - that was at STMO, not you Lizzie!
r.e. language, I have huge respect for anyone not natively English speaking posting on an English message board, it's about the most awful language to learn, especially with things like txt spk ;D
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It's hard to believe that, when you made a thread, waited for everyone to say "don't go", and then said "okay I'll stay".
I don't mean to sound like I'm whining, it's up to you what you do, I just dislike attention seeking of that sort, and it's hard for me to see it another way!
Well you do sound like you're whining, so why dont you shut it. :y
Nice to see you on form this morning Grandad :y
What time did you get up? :P
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It's hard to believe that, when you made a thread, waited for everyone to say "don't go", and then said "okay I'll stay".
I don't mean to sound like I'm whining, it's up to you what you do, I just dislike attention seeking of that sort, and it's hard for me to see it another way!
ok..
here is the question..
you dont know me for a long time and
how you are so sure its for taking attention ?
and what you know about past on here ?
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I'm just going on what I've read here. I do acknowledge your post count, and concede that I've perhaps been a bit too presumptious for a lowly newbie :).
I believe I get that accusatory tone from being an admin on a much different forum. Having dealt with similar requests that hold virtually no water, sometimes that part of my brain kicks in before I can help it.
My neck's wound back in now.
Also, I didn't realise the Omega reached Turkey :).
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Nice to see free speech is encouraged here. I'm sorry I'm not saying what people want me to say.
*drops it*
EDIT - that was at STMO, not you Lizzie!
r.e. language, I have huge respect for anyone not natively English speaking posting on an English message board, it's about the most awful language to learn, especially with things like txt (I can save one whole letter instead of typing that big word text) spk ;D
you'll get used to me. I call a prat a prat :y
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Nice to see free speech is encouraged here. I'm sorry I'm not saying what people want me to say.
*drops it*
EDIT - that was at STMO, not you Lizzie!
r.e. language, I have huge respect for anyone not natively English speaking posting on an English message board, it's about the most awful language to learn, especially with things like txt (I can save one whole letter instead of typing that big word text) spk ;D
Phew!! I thought I was in trouble again for a minute there!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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It's hard to believe that, when you made a thread, waited for everyone to say "don't go", and then said "okay I'll stay".
I don't mean to sound like I'm whining, it's up to you what you do, I just dislike attention seeking of that sort, and it's hard for me to see it another way!
Well you do sound like you're whining, so why dont you shut it. :y
Nice to see you on form this morning Grandad :y
What time did you get up? :P
It's Sunday - therefore it's morning up until about 3pm...
Just stuffing down a full english - then I'm off to the Jetwash for some component cleaning ::) - and then I'm going to spend the afternoon in the garden, playing with my head * ..... ;D
* (Head being off the MV6, of course...)
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I was going to go to the classic Ford show with Markie today, but I can't shake off this barsteward sinus/cold like thing.... maybe it's swine flu >:( ;D
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I was going to go to the classic Ford show with Markie today, but I can't shake off this barsteward sinus/cold like thing.... maybe it's swine flu >:( ;D
Had it for a fortnight now, it's a bugger to shake.
Still, you're only a child yet, so should be OK soon ;D ;D ;D
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you'll get used to me. I call a prat a prat :y
Tis the way to do it. ;D
EDIT - wow, that's about the most messed up quote ever. What do I win?
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you'll get used to me. I call a prat a prat :y
Tis the way to do it. ;D
:y
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I'm just going on what I've read here. I do acknowledge your post count, and concede that I've perhaps been a bit too presumptious for a lowly newbie :).
I believe I get that accusatory tone from being an admin on a much different forum. Having dealt with similar requests that hold virtually no water, sometimes that part of my brain kicks in before I can help it.
My neck's wound back in now.
Also, I didn't realise the Omega reached Turkey :).
if you catch any event on the halfway and make decisions and assumptions according to that
this is something we call here "parachute landing in subject" ;D
Anyway.. Omegas been here for ages..
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Yes..you can also say, "assume" makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me".
Or just me rather.
Anyway, JamesV6CDX, sounds like hayfever. Or manflu. Manflu will get you more sympathy points.
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Yes..you can also say, "assume" makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me".
Or just me rather.
Anyway, JamesV6CDX, sounds like hayfever. Or manflu. Manflu will get you more sympathy points.
I'm speechless now ;D :P
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It's hard to believe that, when you made a thread, waited for everyone to say "don't go", and then said "okay I'll stay".
I don't mean to sound like I'm whining, it's up to you what you do, I just dislike attention seeking of that sort, and it's hard for me to see it another way!
Well you do sound like you're whining, so why dont you shut it. :y
Nice to see you on form this morning Grandad :y
What time did you get up? :P
It's Sunday - therefore it's morning up until about 3pm...
Just stuffing down a full english - then I'm off to the Jetwash for some component cleaning ::) - and then I'm going to spend the afternoon in the garden, playing with my head * ..... ;D
* (Head being off the MV6, of course...)
Most of us just make do with a shower after brekkie !
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It's hard to believe that, when you made a thread, waited for everyone to say "don't go", and then said "okay I'll stay".
I don't mean to sound like I'm whining, it's up to you what you do, I just dislike attention seeking of that sort, and it's hard for me to see it another way!
Well you do sound like you're whining, so why dont you shut it. :y
Nice to see you on form this morning Grandad :y
What time did you get up? :P
It's Sunday - therefore it's morning up until about 3pm...
Just stuffing down a full english - then I'm off to the Jetwash for some component cleaning ::) - and then I'm going to spend the afternoon in the garden, playing with my head * ..... ;D
* (Head being off the MV6, of course...)
Most of us just make do with a shower after brekkie !
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Most of us just make do with a shower after brekkie !
;D ;D very, very good HC ;D ;D
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CEM - don't know or want to know whats being going on - just glad you're back as I would miss our friendly "chats". Agree with you about Bodrum - been near there a couple of times - great holidays, great friendly people. Keep up the Turkish post counts mate :y :y
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Well I've been away for the week end and missed most of this ... I'm glad to say !! :)
I'm also glad to see Cem back ... , whatever upset you I hope has passed, IMHO 90% of the regular members here would miss your input a great deal... the other 10% don't matter anyway .. :)
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Looks like this thread has been talked to bits so now locking in order that we can all move on and not continue to redredge the past.... :y