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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 03 June 2009, 21:43:37
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Look like it. ;)
Blunkett has refused a place in the cabinet and Sky have got hold of the backbench email doing the rounds.
http://denverthen.blogspot.com/2009/06/death-by-email.html
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He doesn't need to step down (he can't get any lower). He needs to call a general election :y
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Look like it. ;)
Blunkett has refused a place in the cabinet and Sky have got hold of the backbench email doing the rounds.
http://denverthen.blogspot.com/2009/06/death-by-email.html
Don't think of buttering that toast just yet Nick, it will take another big name or two to resign before it's likely. ;) ;)
You may prepare the marmalade should you wish however ;D
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Look like it. ;)
Blunkett has refused a place in the cabinet and Sky have got hold of the backbench email doing the rounds.
http://denverthen.blogspot.com/2009/06/death-by-email.html
Don't think of buttering that toast just yet Nick, it will take another big name or two to resign before it's likely. ;) ;)
You may prepare the marmalade should you wish however ;D
Apparently PaddyPower have just taken down the page where you can bet on when GB will step down (as well as betting on his successor).
Bookies always have the knowledge. ;)
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Lets hope he's not just toasted, but burnt to a bloody crisp!
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I have just put the bread in the oven - it should be ready about 10.00pm tomorrow night when the results start coming through :y :y
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he won't step down as no one wants the poisoned chalice of a doomed labour leadership - looks like they'll lose the next election so there'd be a change in leader then, i can't think anyone would want the job as a caretaker until they get booted out.
on a side note - i can't see how Cameron would have handled the problems Brown has had any better tho :-?
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Lets hope he's not just toasted, but burnt to a bloody crisp!
i'll go for that. :y :y
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The front pages make grim reading for Gordy:
http://page.politicshome.com/uk/thursday_4_june_2009.html
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he won't step down as no one wants the poisoned chalice of a doomed labour leadership - looks like they'll lose the next election so there'd be a change in leader then, i can't think anyone would want the job as a caretaker until they get booted out.
on a side note - i can't see how Cameron would have handled the problems Brown has had any better tho :-?
That thought reveals just how much a mess we're in at the moment and there seems to be no clear direction away from problems this awful administration has created. :-/
The entire system of government and of parliament itself has been dealt such a blow, that credibility in either may not be restored for some time to come.
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I don't want to sound too gloomy but I think the shennanigins going on in Parliament are only a reflection of what is happening nationally. People in jobs they're not up to; the rules getting sidelined "because everyone's doing it".
Does that sound gloomy? It does really doesn't it?
Springwatch has some cheery stuff on it!!!!!
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i can't see how Cameron would have handled the problems Brown has had any better tho
I don't think he could because I don't think it's a recoverable situation. New Labour has run its' course and the party is in disarray and no longer united behind its' leader for a variety of reasons. They are in the same state the Conservatives were in 12 years ago.
There is a straightforward fix for this, of course. A decade in opposition. :y
Kevin
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Just felt a bit sorry for Gordy but it soon passed!
All that time he waited to become PM and unlike Blair who presided over good times (boom years) Gordy has only seen bad times.
I am still unimpressed by any of the other politicians apart from Vince Cable. Not much talent around.
Here is a thought. Next election will go Conservatives way for sure but they probably won't fare too well. So at the subsequent election what chances of that universally liked fellow Mandelson being labour PM??!!
Start quaking.......... :D
Varche
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chances of that universally liked fellow Mandelson being labour PM??!!
Not enough for him. I fully expect him to slime himself into the Monarchy somehow and become King.
Kevin
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i can't see how Cameron would have handled the problems Brown has had any better tho
I don't think he could because I don't think it's a recoverable situation. New Labour has run its' course and the party is in disarray and no longer united behind its' leader for a variety of reasons. They are in the same state the Conservatives were in 12 years ago.
There is a straightforward fix for this, of course. A decade in opposition. :y
Kevin
That’s perhaps the natural result of the disillusionment evident in the voting public frustrated and angry with the chaos and incompetence which this administration has shown. ::) ::)
What we can’t be sure about however, Kevin, is what sort of job of it their replacements would make. :-/ :-/
There is a fundamental fault , a lack of understanding, a complete disconnect in most of our legislators with the practical reality, now being faced by a lot of people throughout this country, as they struggle in the confused and convoluted environment that is modern Britain. :D
Until there is a properly accountable system to which our administrators must adhere, there can be no real change. Until there are strong sanctions – real sanctions – for misbehaviour, it will be difficult to have any degree of confidence in the belief that the system of government, this country needs, is likely to recover its dignity, its vision and above all, its decency :y :y
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Tsar. :)
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That’s perhaps the natural result of the disillusionment evident in the voting public frustrated and angry with the chaos and incompetence which this administration has shown. ::) ::)
What we can’t be sure about however, Kevin, is what sort of job of it their replacements would make. :-/ :-/
There is a fundamental fault , a lack of understanding, a complete disconnect in most of our legislators with practical reality, now being faced by a lot of people throughout the country, as they struggle in the confused and convoluted environment that is modern Britain. :D
Until there is a properly accountable system to which our administrators must adhere, there can be no real change. Until there are strong sanctions – real sanctions – for misbehaviour, it will be difficult to have any degree of confidence in the belief that the system of government, this country needs, is likely to recover its dignity, its vision and above all, its decency :y :y
Agreed. I'm not saying the system isn't broken. Our political cycle starts with an election process which doesn't really instil much accountability into MPs from the start, for a variety of reasons, and from then on they are largely serving nobody but themselves and their own careers until we end up, a decade down the line, with the situation we have now. An utterly unfit-for-purpose rabble and no viable opposition, but an electorate voting because "They can't be any worse".
Kevin
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That’s perhaps the natural result of the disillusionment evident in the voting public frustrated and angry with the chaos and incompetence which this administration has shown. ::) ::)
What we can’t be sure about however, Kevin, is what sort of job of it their replacements would make. :-/ :-/
There is a fundamental fault , a lack of understanding, a complete disconnect in most of our legislators with practical reality, now being faced by a lot of people throughout the country, as they struggle in the confused and convoluted environment that is modern Britain. :D
Until there is a properly accountable system to which our administrators must adhere, there can be no real change. Until there are strong sanctions – real sanctions – for misbehaviour, it will be difficult to have any degree of confidence in the belief that the system of government, this country needs, is likely to recover its dignity, its vision and above all, its decency :y :y
Agreed. I'm not saying the system isn't broken. Our political cycle starts with an election process which doesn't really instil much accountability into MPs from the start, for a variety of reasons, and from then on they are largely serving nobody but themselves and their own careers until we end up, a decade down the line, with the situation we have now. An utterly unfit-for-purpose rabble and no viable opposition, but an electorate voting because "They can't be any worse".
Kevin
...... and that is very much the rub, Kevin ;)
How that cycle can be broken - I really don't know at the moment :-/ but its interruption, at the very least, is urgently required :y :y
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chances of that universally liked fellow Mandelson being labour PM??!!
Not enough for him. I fully expect him to slime himself into the Monarchy somehow and become King.
Kevin
Or Queen ;D
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chances of that universally liked fellow Mandelson being labour PM??!!
Not enough for him. I fully expect him to slime himself into the Monarchy somehow and become King.
Kevin
Or Queen ;D
;D ;D ;D priceless, Martin ;D ;D ;D
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The next Labour leader after the election will be either the chap on Question Time a couple of weeks ago, or Hillary Benn.
Both have been seen to be clean and both are young enough to get the kiddy vote ;D ;D
Lib Dems NEED Charles Kennedy back.
As to Conservatives, they have realised that Ken Clark is worth having around as he was generally popular.
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chances of that universally liked fellow Mandelson being labour PM??!!
Not enough for him. I fully expect him to slime himself into the Monarchy somehow and become King.
Kevin
Or Queen ;D
He's already one of those. :D
Kevin
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The next Labour leader after the election will be either the chap on Question Time a couple of weeks ago, or Hillary Benn.
Both have been seen to be clean and both are young enough to get the kiddy vote ;D ;D
Lib Dems NEED Charles Kennedy back.
As to Conservatives, they have realised that Ken Clark is worth having around as he was generally popular.
Lib Dems
Can their appeal be sufficiently sweet for the mainstream vote to divert from the big two however? Can Kennedy ever hope to establish his dependable credentials again?:-/ :-/
Ken Clark
The unfortunate thing about Ken is he reveals, in all its bare-assed glory, the lingering conflict within the Tory party over Europe ::) ::)........
............not that the conflict is without justifiable foundation I must add:y :y
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Well I have voted today, and that will be hopefully one of many nails to further the "get rid of Brown" coffin! :D :D :D ;)
[size=24]Have you voted yet?? [/size]::) ::) ::)
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Well I have voted today, and that will be hopefully one of many nails to further the "get rid of Brown" coffin! :D :D :D ;)
[size=24]Have you voted yet?? [/size]::) ::) ::)
no. not going to.. :y
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Well I have voted today, and that will be hopefully one of many nails to further the "get rid of Brown" coffin! :D :D :D ;)
[size=24]Have you voted yet?? [/size]::) ::) ::)
These following words have as much relevance today as they did when first spoken, especially when we stand to exercise our democratic right.......
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8vm6AsZw40[/media]
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that man is a leader of all men. a peacemaker, who have we to vote in. thats why i dont bother.. >:(
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Hm. No I haven't voted.
I am on the electoral register here. Got a letter some weeks ago confirming my details. Just been waiting for my card to turn up. It hasn't as of today. I cannot imagine having much success even if I knew where the voting station was, in turning up and saying "can I vote but haven't got my card". I would probably get fined or jailed.
voteless varche
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Well I have voted today, and that will be hopefully one of many nails to further the "get rid of Brown" coffin! :D :D :D ;)
[size=24]Have you voted yet?? [/size]::) ::) ::)
These following words have as much relevance today as they did when first spoken, especially when we stand to exercise our democratic right.......
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8vm6AsZw40[/media]
A very thought provoking speech Zulu, that should remind us all that human life is short for the individual, but for our species has been a long and painful journey through experiences to test our resolve.
It has not, and never will, be an easy run, either physically, socially, politically or spiritually. We will continually be challenged by seemingly over-whelming odds, but what makes man is that ability to rise up, meet, and exceed the demands placed on us by the forces within the universe. The human species will only die when all endevour and spirit is forced out of us collectively by apathy or surrender to the perceived inevitable. We must fight on as past generations have, and as futures ones will as well.
Today we are politically challenged, so let us all work together to bring about change; change which is for the good of all, that only a majority in a democratic system can produce.
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Well I have voted today, and that will be hopefully one of many nails to further the "get rid of Brown" coffin! :D :D :D ;)
[size=24]Have you voted yet?? [/size]::) ::) ::)
These following words have as much relevance today as they did when first spoken, especially when we stand to exercise our democratic right.......
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8vm6AsZw40[/media]
A very thought provoking speech Zulu, that should remind us all that human life is short for the individual, but for our species has been a long and painful journey through experiences to test our resolve.
It has not, and never will, be an easy run, either physically, socially, politically or spiritually. We will continually be challenged by seemingly over-whelming odds, but what makes man is that ability to rise up, meet, and exceed the demands placed on us by the forces within the universe. The human species will only die when all endevour and spirit is forced out of us collectively by apathy or surrender to the perceived inevitable. We must fight on as past generations have, and as futures ones will as well.
Today we are politically challenged, so let us all work together to bring about change; change which is for the good of all, that only a majority in a democratic system can produce.
Another thought provoking comment from every OOF's favourite political anaylist :y :y :y :y Vote Lizzie for PM at least she's got experience of life and work unlike 1/2 of those idiots who pretend to be our elected legislators
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Well I have voted today, and that will be hopefully one of many nails to further the "get rid of Brown" coffin! :D :D :D ;)
[size=24]Have you voted yet?? [/size]::) ::) ::)
These following words have as much relevance today as they did when first spoken, especially when we stand to exercise our democratic right.......
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8vm6AsZw40[/media]
A very thought provoking speech Zulu, that should remind us all that human life is short for the individual, but for our species has been a long and painful journey through experiences to test our resolve.
It has not, and never will, be an easy run, either physically, socially, politically or spiritually. We will continually be challenged by seemingly over-whelming odds, but what makes man is that ability to rise up, meet, and exceed the demands placed on us by the forces within the universe. The human species will only die when all endevour and spirit is forced out of us collectively by apathy or surrender to the perceived inevitable. We must fight on as past generations have, and as futures ones will as well.
Today we are politically challenged, so let us all work together to bring about change; change which is for the good of all, that only a majority in a democratic system can produce.
[size=16]Right on Ms Zoom[/size]
:-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :y :y :y :y
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My tuppenceworth, without delving too deeply into the historics of the thing, is that we now reap what has been sown, irrespective of the political persuasion of those (currently and previously) in power who created the legislation/laws that allowed the adaptation of the expenses guidelines.
Political situations are almost invariably perceived as the fault of the currently governing party, irrespective of the actual parentage of the legislation.
For years, there was no counter to Margaret Thatcher (Dennis Foote, anyone??) and I feel that this imbalance still remains.
Yes, the incumbent was non elected but I also feel that he is the fall guy for Tony Blairs 'crest of a wave' politicking, leaving the flotsam and jetsum for others to wade through. I remain undecided as to whether its better to leap to an alternate or keep the devil we currently know but not neccessarily love....
I think he may well give the current system a gutting in order to keep his own status intact, as far as possible...
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My tuppenceworth, without delving too deeply into the historics of the thing, is that we now reap what has been sown, irrespective of the political persuasion of those (currently and previously) in power who created the legislation/laws that allowed the adaptation of the expenses guidelines.
Political situations are almost invariably perceived as the fault of the currently governing party, irrespective of the actual parentage of the legislation.
For years, there was no counter to Margaret Thatcher (Dennis Foote, anyone??) and I feel that this imbalance still remains.
Yes, the incumbent was non elected but I also feel that he is the fall guy for Tony Blairs 'crest of a wave' politicking, leaving the flotsam and jetsum for others to wade through. I remain undecided as to whether its better to leap to an alternate or keep the devil we currently know but not neccessarily love....
I think he may well give the current system a gutting in order to keep his own status intact, as far as possible...
I think you mean Michael Foot H21 ;) ;)
Dennis was Thatchers husband. :D :D ;)
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My tuppenceworth, without delving too deeply into the historics of the thing, is that we now reap what has been sown, irrespective of the political persuasion of those (currently and previously) in power who created the legislation/laws that allowed the adaptation of the expenses guidelines.
Political situations are almost invariably perceived as the fault of the currently governing party, irrespective of the actual parentage of the legislation.
For years, there was no counter to Margaret Thatcher (Dennis Foote, anyone??) and I feel that this imbalance still remains.
Yes, the incumbent was non elected but I also feel that he is the fall guy for Tony Blairs 'crest of a wave' politicking, leaving the flotsam and jetsum for others to wade through. I remain undecided as to whether its better to leap to an alternate or keep the devil we currently know but not neccessarily love....
I think he may well give the current system a gutting in order to keep his own status intact, as far as possible...
I think you mean Michael Foot H21 ;) ;)
Dennis was Thatchers husband. :D :D ;)
Yup, Michael. Been a long day..... :y
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My tuppenceworth, without delving too deeply into the historics of the thing, is that we now reap what has been sown, irrespective of the political persuasion of those (currently and previously) in power who created the legislation/laws that allowed the adaptation of the expenses guidelines.
Political situations are almost invariably perceived as the fault of the currently governing party, irrespective of the actual parentage of the legislation.
For years, there was no counter to Margaret Thatcher (Dennis Foote, anyone??) and I feel that this imbalance still remains.
Yes, the incumbent was non elected but I also feel that he is the fall guy for Tony Blairs 'crest of a wave' politicking, leaving the flotsam and jetsum for others to wade through. I remain undecided as to whether its better to leap to an alternate or keep the devil we currently know but not neccessarily love....
I think he may well give the current system a gutting in order to keep his own status intact, as far as possible...
There can be merit in that notion H21, but irrespective of how capable the Prime Minister is considered to be on economic matters - and a few would dispute that- he fails miserably as a national leader. :y
Leadership is much more than micro-management and I'm afraid that his parochial nature seems to prevent that flair and charisma, in the real and deep sense - not in the Blair sense - inspiring those he seeks to lead :y
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will Darling do to him what Howe did to Thatcher? :-/ :)
i.e.quietly sever his jugular.
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Darling is purely Browns puppet. He used to have a job on the Edinburgh council and he was cr@p at that too!
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My tuppenceworth, without delving too deeply into the historics of the thing, is that we now reap what has been sown, irrespective of the political persuasion of those (currently and previously) in power who created the legislation/laws that allowed the adaptation of the expenses guidelines.
Political situations are almost invariably perceived as the fault of the currently governing party, irrespective of the actual parentage of the legislation.
For years, there was no counter to Margaret Thatcher (Dennis Foote, anyone??) and I feel that this imbalance still remains.
Yes, the incumbent was non elected but I also feel that he is the fall guy for Tony Blairs 'crest of a wave' politicking, leaving the flotsam and jetsum for others to wade through. I remain undecided as to whether its better to leap to an alternate or keep the devil we currently know but not neccessarily love....
I think he may well give the current system a gutting in order to keep his own status intact, as far as possible...
There can be merit in that notion H21, but irrespective of how capable the Prime Minister is considered to be on economic matters - and a few would dispute that- he fails miserably as a national leader. :y
Leadership is much more than micro-management and I'm afraid that his parochial nature seems to prevent that flair and charisma, in the real and deep sense - not in the Blair sense - inspiring those he seeks to lead :y
I agree with most of what you say Zulu, but for eleven years as Chancellor he over spent, over borrowed and sold at the lowest prices a huge chunck of Great Britain's gold reserves, so when the crisis hit he had ensured nothing was left in the cupboard for the rainy days! Now this country has huge, huge debts.
Conclusion: he was a useless Chancellor as well! :( :(