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A descendant of King William IV
I went to the same prep school as Prince Edward then on to Eton and Oxford.
I spent 3months in Hong Kong in a job daddy(a wealthy stockboker married to the daughter of a Baronet) arranged for me.
I now wish to represent the people of Britain along with 18 of my chums from Eton - and it looks like I'll get my wish....
I have a worm-like appearance and no policies.
Who am I? :-X ::) :-?
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david cameron?
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david cameron?
We have a winner!!!! :y :y
:-/ :-/ :-/
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don't worry nurses, postmen, police, teachers...i'm sure he'll represent the ordinary workers of Britain well!!! ;D ;D ;D
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heard some of answers to the questions today on the news :)
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don't know about you - but he scares the **** outta me :-/ :-/
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whats so terrible about Eton? :-/
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whats so terrible about Eton? :-/
elitist, exclusive unrepresentative of 99.9999% of normal people
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It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here. ;)
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A descendant of King William IV
I went to the same prep school as Prince Edward then on to Eton and Oxford.
I spent 3months in Hong Kong in a job daddy(a wealthy stockboker married to the daughter of a Baronet) arranged for me.
I now wish to represent the people of Britain along with 18 of my chums from Eton - and it looks like I'll get my wish....
I have a worm-like appearance and no policies.
Who am I? :-X ::) :-?
.......had he been a descendant of a certain other King William I would have sat up and taken notice ;D ;D ([size=8]so would many others[/size])
.........we would need to see some foundation to
the tory policy base before we can even begin to establish whether they have merit - or not........are we going to get it?......... :-/ :-/
I personaly consider Eaton to provide the best possible start in life, for those who attend :y
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It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here. ;)
Well spotted, Albs. :y
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A descendant of King William IV
I went to the same prep school as Prince Edward then on to Eton and Oxford.
I spent 3months in Hong Kong in a job daddy(a wealthy stockboker married to the daughter of a Baronet) arranged for me.
I now wish to represent the people of Britain along with 18 of my chums from Eton - and it looks like I'll get my wish....
I have a worm-like appearance and no policies.
Who am I? :-X ::) :-?
.......had he been a descendant of a certain other King William I would have sat up and taken notice ;D ;D ([size=8]so would many others[/size])
.........we would need to see some foundation to
the tory policy base before we can even begin to establish whether they have merit - or not........are we going to get it?......... :-/ :-/
I personaly consider Eaton to provide the best possible start in life, for those who attend :y
The one from the dutch province of Orange perchance? ;) ;D
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A descendant of King William IV
I went to the same prep school as Prince Edward then on to Eton and Oxford.
I spent 3months in Hong Kong in a job daddy(a wealthy stockboker married to the daughter of a Baronet) arranged for me.
I now wish to represent the people of Britain along with 18 of my chums from Eton - and it looks like I'll get my wish....
I have a worm-like appearance and no policies.
Who am I? :-X ::) :-?
.......had he been a descendant of a certain other King William I would have sat up and taken notice ;D ;D ([size=8]so would many others[/size])
.........we would need to see some foundation to
the tory policy base before we can even begin to establish whether they have merit - or not........are we going to get it?......... :-/ :-/
I personaly consider Eaton to provide the best possible start in life, for those who attend :y
The one from the dutch province of Orange perchance? ;) ;D
Go on ya boy ye ;D ;D
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Soon be time for the lillies and the sweet william over there zulu. ;)
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don't worry nurses, postmen, police, teachers...i'm sure he'll represent the ordinary workers of Britain well!!! ;D ;D ;D
Hmm, all public sector workers I notice. ::) ::) ::)
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And all from sectors which have been damaged almost beyond repair by Blair and Brown. ;)
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Soon be time for the lillies and the sweet william over there zulu. ;)
Yep, the first sign is always the 'dump wood here' notices you see springing up, and before you know it, there's a mountain of wood and tyres deposited at various locations throughout the place. ;)
Not far away you'll also hear the lambegs being worked up and various routines practiced.
Sounds peculiar to this time if the year and to this place :y
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Oh the memories ,summer holidays spent building "the boney".I remember being in a wee hut in the middle of one and someone set fire to it. ::) ;D
People used to chuck their old pianos on there,probably be worth a fortune now. ;D
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don't worry nurses, postmen, police, teachers...i'm sure he'll represent the ordinary workers of Britain well!!! ;D ;D ;D
Hmm, all public sector workers I notice. ::) ::) ::)
The establishment has a duty to look after its people Nick ;) ;) ;)
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over half a million extra "people" since this lot came to power. >:(
The only sector where unions are still strong and the "employer" is scared to take them on,hence the public sector pension bill which future taxpayers will never be able to pay. ::)
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Oh the memories ,summer holidays spent building "the boney".I remember being in a wee hut in the middle of one and someone set fire to it. ::) ;D
Many suffered a similar fate Albs ;D
The exciting thing was that you got to stay up late but I can still remember the anti-climax whenever the flames started to die down, as that signalled the time for bed ;D
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over half a million extra "people" since this lot came to power. >:(
.........and the sure-fire way to ensure that you remain in power ;)
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Oh the memories ,summer holidays spent building "the boney".I remember being in a wee hut in the middle of one and someone set fire to it. ::) ;D
Many suffered a similar fate Albs ;D
The exciting thing was that you got to stay up late but I can still remember the anti-climax whenever the flames started to die down, as that signalled the time for bed ;D
....and then up early again for "the 12th". :y
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over half a million extra "people" since this lot came to power. >:(
.........and the sure-fire way to ensure that you remain in power ;)
.......until now,that is. ;)
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over half a million extra "people" since this lot came to power. >:(
The only sector where unions are still strong and the "employer" is scared to take them on,hence the public sector pension bill which future taxpayers will never be able to pay. ::)
This will be one of the biggest problems for any new administration to address and a problem which has the possibility of causing as much trouble for the treasury as the recent economic crises :y
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Final salary pensions are virtually non existent in the private sector and the same thing will have to happen in the public sector,when we get a leader with the balls to do it. ;)
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Oh the memories ,summer holidays spent building "the boney".I remember being in a wee hut in the middle of one and someone set fire to it. ::) ;D
Many suffered a similar fate Albs ;D
The exciting thing was that you got to stay up late but I can still remember the anti-climax whenever the flames started to die down, as that signalled the time for bed ;D
....and then up early again for "the 12th". :y
....and bone weary by days end, head still ringing from flutes, accordians, drums and speeches - stomach full from crisps, pop, lollies, if was hot, and many other essential ingredients ;D memories indeed :y
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Final salary pensions are virtually non existent in the private sector and the same thing will have to happen in the public sector,when we get a leader with the balls to do it. ;)
......and big ones at that - as they used to say, 'I can see a row as big as a fight', over this very thing ;)
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Always went to my grannies in sandy row on the 12th morning and then walked round the corner to watch the bands.
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What short memories people have. Do we really want to go back to Tory rule where we sold the family silver (Rolls Royce, BT, British Gas etc) to pay our way, then destroyed the coal, steel, ship building and car industries, and when mortgage interest was 17.5%?
It is the media who are destroying this government, not Gordon Brown.
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I remember the mini 12th and the cascade of bands along Templemore Avenue each one playing a different piece, but especially the reverbation of the base drum in my chest as the drummer beat the keek out of as he walked past ;D ;D
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What short memories people have. Do we really want to go back to Tory rule where we sold the family silver (Rolls Royce, BT, British Gas etc) to pay our way, then destroyed the coal, steel, ship building and car industries, and when mortgage interest was 17.5%?
It is the media who are destroying this government, not Gordon Brown.
I have to say H12 that he's made a fairly good attempt ;)..... and was there not a question about gold reserves being dumped in very unfavourable circumstances.....and is not a fact that this man, despite being at the heart of government for over 10 years, finds himself presiding over the currently parlous state of the nation.
One of the highest taxed by indirect means, one of the most lawless and inconsiderate and one of the most survielled in Western Europe, as far as I can see, it's not indication of a leader who can be justifiably satisfied with his work :y :y
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What short memories people have. Do we really want to go back to Tory rule where we sold the family silver (Rolls Royce, BT, British Gas etc) to pay our way, then destroyed the coal, steel, ship building and car industries, and when mortgage interest was 17.5%?
It is the media who are destroying this government, not Gordon Brown.
I have to say H12 that he's made a fairly good attempt ;)
You need to read his book"Where there is greed" which he wrote 20 years ago.
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I have not read that H21 so can't debate the merits or otherwise of its content. :y
Irrespective of his personal morality, we can only judge his content as a political leader by what we see.
I think it's reasonable to say that most people would see an overly-focused, micro-manager who cannot embrace true leadership. An unelected leader at that, and a leader who has let the system on government run out of control to the extent that it is almost entirely discredited :y
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Final salary pensions are virtually non existent in the private sector and the same thing will have to happen in the public sector,when we get a leader with the balls to do it. ;)
......and big ones at that - as they used to say, 'I can see a row as big as a fight', over this very thing ;)
Only recent one who would have had the guts was a woman ;D
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It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here. ;)
absolutely theres inverted snobbery!!
i'm just redressing the balance m8 - old etonians look down on everyone that didn't go to eton - they genuinely believe they are better than the rest of us and are born to rule.....pardon me if i don't tug my forelock and bow as these over-priviledged toffs don't float my boat :y
VIVE LA REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Final salary pensions are virtually non existent in the private sector and the same thing will have to happen in the public sector,when we get a leader with the balls to do it. ;)
......and big ones at that - as they used to say, 'I can see a row as big as a fight', over this very thing ;)
Only recent one who would have had the guts was a woman ;D
Ah yes, the most hated one to.
But, when some can see past the local issues that cliud thier vision, they will note how the hard decisions were made and Uk came out with no debt and a good economy..
Then Gordon Brown breaked it all up again! ;D ;D
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It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here. ;)
No Albs, he went to Harrow from 1888 to 1892.
There is nothing wrong with Eton or Harrow, which have steadily produced the leaders this country has required at crucial times in history.
It is only jealousy and snobbery that ignores the fact these are great learning institutions, which if you had the money you would want your children to attend.
The problem is that you need money to give your child the best education possible, and that is the shame of our non-meritocractic education system, which holds back working and middle class children. :( :( :(
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It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here. ;)
absolutely theres inverted snobbery!!
i'm just redressing the balance m8 - old etonians look down on everyone that didn't go to eton - they genuinely believe they are better than the rest of us and are born to rule.....pardon me if i don't tug my forelock and bow as these over-priviledged toffs don't float my boat :y
VIVE LA REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mrs Thatcher went to grammar school...I'm sure you thought the same of her. I suppose you'll only be happy when we get a leader that was expelled from a sink school. ::) ::)
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Final salary pensions are virtually non existent in the private sector and the same thing will have to happen in the public sector,when we get a leader with the balls to do it. ;)
......and big ones at that - as they used to say, 'I can see a row as big as a fight', over this very thing ;)
Only recent one who would have had the guts was a woman ;D
Ah yes, the most hated one to.
But, when some can see past the local issues that cliud thier vision, they will note how the hard decisions were made and Uk came out with no debt and a good economy..
Then Gordon Brown breaked it all up again! ;D ;D
Indeed Mark!! :y :y :y :y
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It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here. ;)
absolutely theres inverted snobbery!!
i'm just redressing the balance m8 - old etonians look down on everyone that didn't go to eton - they genuinely believe they are better than the rest of us and are born to rule.....pardon me if i don't tug my forelock and bow as these over-priviledged toffs don't float my boat :y
VIVE LA REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mrs Thatcher went to grammar school...I'm sure you thought the same of her. I suppose you'll only be happy when we get a leader that was expelled from a sink school. ::) ::)
no nickbat, i just think it unwise that a country as diverse economically, socially and culturally as we are should be run by a small section of super-rich white elites. you cannot tell me cameron has a clue about ordinary people - which is why he wisely speaks nothing but bland platitudes
"we need change"
"we need less crime"
"it's time for change"
he's a lightweight - despite his world class education
he says nothing, he's done nothing he's an empty shell
the worst thing Brown ever did was make that sleekit wee nyaff cameron look electable
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It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here. ;)
absolutely theres inverted snobbery!!
i'm just redressing the balance m8 - old etonians look down on everyone that didn't go to eton - they genuinely believe they are better than the rest of us and are born to rule.....pardon me if i don't tug my forelock and bow as these over-priviledged toffs don't float my boat :y
VIVE LA REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mrs Thatcher went to grammar school...I'm sure you thought the same of her. I suppose you'll only be happy when we get a leader that was expelled from a sink school. ::) ::)
no nickbat, i just think it unwise that a country as diverse economically, socially and culturally as we are should be run by a small section of super-rich white elites. you cannot tell me cameron has a clue about ordinary people - which is why he wisely speaks nothing but bland platitudes
"we need change"
"we need less crime"
"it's time for change"
he's a lightweight - despite his world class education
he says nothing, he's done nothing he's an empty shell
the worst thing Brown ever did was make that sleekit wee nyaff cameron look electable
a small section of super-rich white elites.
.........but, bannjaxx- that's what government is all about, and always will be ;) ;)
sleekit wee nyaff
.........nice to see the Ulster/Scots lexicon getting a wee touch there :y :y
the worst thing Brown ever did
.......if you don't mind my saying so bannjaxx you're being quite charitable there, I can think of one or two-------hundred things that Broon has saddled this country with ;) ;) ;)
DC's content will only become apparent when he sets his stall out and until then, he is an unknown quantity :y The only thing I can justifiably say about this is, the product better be worth buying :y :y
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I actually enjoyed my time at Eaton :)
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I actually enjoyed my time at Eaton :)
Splendid, Pitchfork :y
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i thought he was a singer elton
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It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here. ;)
No Albs, he went to Harrow from 1888 to 1892.
There is nothing wrong with Eton or Harrow, which have steadily produced the leaders this country has required at crucial times in history.
It is only jealousy and snobbery that ignores the fact these are great learning institutions, which if you had the money you would want your children to attend.
The problem is that you need money to give your child the best education possible, and that is the shame of our non-meritocractic education system, which holds back working and middle class children. :( :( :(
The answer to this problem imo is grammar schools,we are lucky to still have a few in Essex,and both of my children benifited from the superb education offered by them,they were all but wiped out in most of the uk by the socialist dumbing down educational policies and have denied many bright children from "ordinary" backgrounds the chance to better themselves.Nowadays bright kids usually have to go to comprehensives were almost everyone is taught to exactly the same low standard,so the talented kids are left bored and unfulfilled.
I dont see why they cant be re-introduced but rebranded as some kind of special needs schools,after all if the kids at one end of the spectrum are classed as special needs,and seperated out from the mainstream in order to fulfill their particular requirements,then why cant the kids at the other end of the spectrum have the same thinking applied to their needs.
The big problem with socialists is that they think we are all the same (when it suits them) but we arent.
Rant over. ::)
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It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here. ;)
No Albs, he went to Harrow from 1888 to 1892.
There is nothing wrong with Eton or Harrow, which have steadily produced the leaders this country has required at crucial times in history.
It is only jealousy and snobbery that ignores the fact these are great learning institutions, which if you had the money you would want your children to attend.
The problem is that you need money to give your child the best education possible, and that is the shame of our non-meritocractic education system, which holds back working and middle class children. :( :( :(
The answer to this problem imo is grammar schools,we are lucky to still have a few in Essex,and both of my children benifited from the superb education offered by them,they were all but wiped out in most of the uk by the socialist dumbing down educational policies and have denied many bright children from "ordinary" backgrounds the chance to better themselves.Nowadays bright kids usually have to go to comprehensives were almost everyone is taught to exactly the same low standard,so the talented kids are left bored and unfulfilled.
I dont see why they cant be re-introduced but rebranded as some kind of special needs schools,after all if the kids at one end of the spectrum are classed as special needs,and seperated out from the mainstream in order to fulfill their particular requirements,then why cant the kids at the other end of the spectrum have the same thinking applied to their needs.
The big problem with socialists is that they think we are all the same (when it suits them) but we arent.
Rant over. ::)
Its interesting that Norn Irn retained all of its grammar schools until recently,when Sinn Fein (very socialist) got hold of quite a few levers of power,they are now in the process of making the same mess of the education system as Labour have on the mainland. >:(
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To deny someone a fair chance at governing our country because of who he is a descendant of or where he went to school is just wrong, whether it is Eton Or Crapsville High School. Positive discrimination is probably the worse of all human traits.
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I actually enjoyed my time at Eaton :)
Splendid, Pitchfork :y
The Grand Piano in the main Hall is a splendid Steinway, gets tuned by a man from Steinway before each time it is used :o
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It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here. ;)
No Albs, he went to Harrow from 1888 to 1892.
There is nothing wrong with Eton or Harrow, which have steadily produced the leaders this country has required at crucial times in history.
It is only jealousy and snobbery that ignores the fact these are great learning institutions, which if you had the money you would want your children to attend.
The problem is that you need money to give your child the best education possible, and that is the shame of our non-meritocractic education system, which holds back working and middle class children. :( :( :(
The answer to this problem imo is grammar schools,we are lucky to still have a few in Essex,and both of my children benifited from the superb education offered by them,they were all but wiped out in most of the uk by the socialist dumbing down educational policies and have denied many bright children from "ordinary" backgrounds the chance to better themselves.Nowadays bright kids usually have to go to comprehensives were almost everyone is taught to exactly the same low standard,so the talented kids are left bored and unfulfilled.
I dont see why they cant be re-introduced but rebranded as some kind of special needs schools,after all if the kids at one end of the spectrum are classed as special needs,and seperated out from the mainstream in order to fulfill their particular requirements,then why cant the kids at the other end of the spectrum have the same thinking applied to their needs.
The big problem with socialists is that they think we are all the same (when it suits them) but we arent.
Rant over. ::)
My daughter won a place at a Grammar school, best school in Worcester
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I actually enjoyed my time at Eaton :)
Splendid, Pitchfork :y
The Grand Piano in the main Hall is a splendid Steinway, gets tuned by a man from Steinway before each time it is used :o
As it should, my dear Pitchfork, as it should :y :y
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It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here. ;)
No Albs, he went to Harrow from 1888 to 1892.
There is nothing wrong with Eton or Harrow, which have steadily produced the leaders this country has required at crucial times in history.
It is only jealousy and snobbery that ignores the fact these are great learning institutions, which if you had the money you would want your children to attend.
The problem is that you need money to give your child the best education possible, and that is the shame of our non-meritocractic education system, which holds back working and middle class children. :( :( :(
The answer to this problem imo is grammar schools,we are lucky to still have a few in Essex,and both of my children benifited from the superb education offered by them,they were all but wiped out in most of the uk by the socialist dumbing down educational policies and have denied many bright children from "ordinary" backgrounds the chance to better themselves.Nowadays bright kids usually have to go to comprehensives were almost everyone is taught to exactly the same low standard,so the talented kids are left bored and unfulfilled.
I dont see why they cant be re-introduced but rebranded as some kind of special needs schools,after all if the kids at one end of the spectrum are classed as special needs,and seperated out from the mainstream in order to fulfill their particular requirements,then why cant the kids at the other end of the spectrum have the same thinking applied to their needs.
The big problem with socialists is that they think we are all the same (when it suits them) but we arent.
Rant over. ::)
Its interesting that Norn Irn retained all of its grammar schools until recently,when Sinn Fein (very socialist) got hold of quite a few levers of power,they are now in the process of making the same mess of the education system as Labour have on the mainland. >:(
.....only to make a complete and utter balls up Albs :-/ :-/
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It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here. ;)
No Albs, he went to Harrow from 1888 to 1892.
There is nothing wrong with Eton or Harrow, which have steadily produced the leaders this country has required at crucial times in history.
It is only jealousy and snobbery that ignores the fact these are great learning institutions, which if you had the money you would want your children to attend.
The problem is that you need money to give your child the best education possible, and that is the shame of our non-meritocractic education system, which holds back working and middle class children. :( :( :(
The answer to this problem imo is grammar schools,we are lucky to still have a few in Essex,and both of my children benifited from the superb education offered by them,they were all but wiped out in most of the uk by the socialist dumbing down educational policies and have denied many bright children from "ordinary" backgrounds the chance to better themselves.Nowadays bright kids usually have to go to comprehensives were almost everyone is taught to exactly the same low standard,so the talented kids are left bored and unfulfilled.
I dont see why they cant be re-introduced but rebranded as some kind of special needs schools,after all if the kids at one end of the spectrum are classed as special needs,and seperated out from the mainstream in order to fulfill their particular requirements,then why cant the kids at the other end of the spectrum have the same thinking applied to their needs.
The big problem with socialists is that they think we are all the same (when it suits them) but we arent.
Rant over. ::)
........and that's where the doctrine fails Albs - the individual cannot be subsumed into the collective. ;)
When this is attempted the only result is oppression. :y
How many socialist oriented states ultimately exist through dogma, dictat and oppression - all laced, quite liberally with paranoia ;) ;)
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A descendant of King William IV
I went to the same prep school as Prince Edward then on to Eton and Oxford.
I spent 3months in Hong Kong in a job daddy(a wealthy stockboker married to the daughter of a Baronet) arranged for me.
I now wish to represent the people of Britain along with 18 of my chums from Eton - and it looks like I'll get my wish....
I have a worm-like appearance and no policies.
Who am I? :-X ::) :-?
I couldn't care rather less :)
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It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here. ;)
No Albs, he went to Harrow from 1888 to 1892.
There is nothing wrong with Eton or Harrow, which have steadily produced the leaders this country has required at crucial times in history.
It is only jealousy and snobbery that ignores the fact these are great learning institutions, which if you had the money you would want your children to attend.
The problem is that you need money to give your child the best education possible, and that is the shame of our non-meritocractic education system, which holds back working and middle class children. :( :( :(
The answer to this problem imo is grammar schools,we are lucky to still have a few in Essex,and both of my children benifited from the superb education offered by them,they were all but wiped out in most of the uk by the socialist dumbing down educational policies and have denied many bright children from "ordinary" backgrounds the chance to better themselves.Nowadays bright kids usually have to go to comprehensives were almost everyone is taught to exactly the same low standard,so the talented kids are left bored and unfulfilled.
I dont see why they cant be re-introduced but rebranded as some kind of special needs schools,after all if the kids at one end of the spectrum are classed as special needs,and seperated out from the mainstream in order to fulfill their particular requirements,then why cant the kids at the other end of the spectrum have the same thinking applied to their needs.
The big problem with socialists is that they think we are all the same (when it suits them) but we arent.
Rant over. ::)
pardon me, but imho there is no real socialist system at this decade..so cant agree..
in another system we are considered as "standard" consumers ;D
and some limited specials which have rights depending on their buying ability >:(
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I dont really disagree Cem,I just think that the alternative is the lesser of the 2 evils. :y
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A descendant of King William IV
I went to the same prep school as Prince Edward then on to Eton and Oxford.
I spent 3months in Hong Kong in a job daddy(a wealthy stockboker married to the daughter of a Baronet) arranged for me.
I now wish to represent the people of Britain along with 18 of my chums from Eton - and it looks like I'll get my wish....
I have a worm-like appearance and no policies.
Who am I? :-X ::) :-?
I couldn't care rather less :)
I went to grammar school by the way ;D
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It could be argued-well educated,particularily in leadership? did churchill go to school there?
Btw,Im not a Tory and I think Cameron is a bit of a tw*t,but I feel there is a bit of inverted snobbery going on here. ;)
No Albs, he went to Harrow from 1888 to 1892.
There is nothing wrong with Eton or Harrow, which have steadily produced the leaders this country has required at crucial times in history.
It is only jealousy and snobbery that ignores the fact these are great learning institutions, which if you had the money you would want your children to attend.
The problem is that you need money to give your child the best education possible, and that is the shame of our non-meritocractic education system, which holds back working and middle class children. :( :( :(
The answer to this problem imo is grammar schools,we are lucky to still have a few in Essex,and both of my children benifited from the superb education offered by them,they were all but wiped out in most of the uk by the socialist dumbing down educational policies and have denied many bright children from "ordinary" backgrounds the chance to better themselves.Nowadays bright kids usually have to go to comprehensives were almost everyone is taught to exactly the same low standard,so the talented kids are left bored and unfulfilled.
I dont see why they cant be re-introduced but rebranded as some kind of special needs schools,after all if the kids at one end of the spectrum are classed as special needs,and seperated out from the mainstream in order to fulfill their particular requirements,then why cant the kids at the other end of the spectrum have the same thinking applied to their needs.
The big problem with socialists is that they think we are all the same (when it suits them) but we arent.
Rant over. ::)
pardon me, but imho there is no real socialist system at this decade..so cant agree..
in another system we are considered as "standard" consumers ;D
and some limited specials which have rights depending on their buying ability >:(
The unpalatable fact which will always show the socialist ideal for what it is - unfair, flawed, and more equal for some than for others ;)
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a system which pretends to be socialist at least must satisfy some definitions..
of which still there is not a complete agreement on..
some who tries, either dont have enough economic power to satisfy even some basic needs so forced to live under strict rules outlined by economic realities..
and some, who really have at least close to enough ratio of that economic power has been tied by some very strong political-economic power groups for centuries and unfortunately plays n th episode of endless theater :-/
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a system which pretends to be socialist at least must satisfy some definitions..
of which still there is not a complete agreement on..
some who tries, either dont have enough economic power to satisfy even some basic needs so forced to live under strict rules outlined by economic realities..
and some, who really have at least close to enough ratio of that economic power has been tied by some very strong political-economic power groups for centuries and unfortunately plays n th episode of endless theater :-/
....and so cem, the enigma once more cloaks the clarity and openness needed for the ideal to function ;)
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a system which pretends to be socialist at least must satisfy some definitions..
of which still there is not a complete agreement on..
some who tries, either dont have enough economic power to satisfy even some basic needs so forced to live under strict rules outlined by economic realities..
and some, who really have at least close to enough ratio of that economic power has been tied by some very strong political-economic power groups for centuries and unfortunately plays n th episode of endless theater :-/
....and so cem, the enigma once more cloaks the clarity and openness needed for the ideal to function ;)
need some dictionary look-up ;D
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a system which pretends to be socialist at least must satisfy some definitions..
of which still there is not a complete agreement on..
some who tries, either dont have enough economic power to satisfy even some basic needs so forced to live under strict rules outlined by economic realities..
and some, who really have at least close to enough ratio of that economic power has been tied by some very strong political-economic power groups for centuries and unfortunately plays n th episode of endless theater :-/
....and so cem, the enigma once more cloaks the clarity and openness needed for the ideal to function ;)
need some dictionary look-up ;D
.....and that's how socialism survives cem, everyone is kept in a state of confusion ;D ;D
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a system which pretends to be socialist at least must satisfy some definitions..
of which still there is not a complete agreement on..
some who tries, either dont have enough economic power to satisfy even some basic needs so forced to live under strict rules outlined by economic realities..
and some, who really have at least close to enough ratio of that economic power has been tied by some very strong political-economic power groups for centuries and unfortunately plays n th episode of endless theater :-/
....and so cem, the enigma once more cloaks the clarity and openness needed for the ideal to function ;)
need some dictionary look-up ;D
.....and that's how socialism survives cem, everyone is kept in a state of confusion ;D ;D
...or ignorance.
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a system which pretends to be socialist at least must satisfy some definitions..
of which still there is not a complete agreement on..
some who tries, either dont have enough economic power to satisfy even some basic needs so forced to live under strict rules outlined by economic realities..
and some, who really have at least close to enough ratio of that economic power has been tied by some very strong political-economic power groups for centuries and unfortunately plays n th episode of endless theater :-/
....and so cem, the enigma once more cloaks the clarity and openness needed for the ideal to function ;)
need some dictionary look-up ;D
.....and that's how socialism survives cem, everyone is kept in a state of confusion ;D ;D
...or ignorance.
...... indeed so STMO :y :y
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yep..imho the enigma has been solved "roughly" or at least its model part more than a decade ago which includes some complex relations that most of us hardly understands..
But still there are 2 problems..
serfdom which is been already in application for more than many thousand years is very hard to break still especially with human behaviour nature..
And the real application details can be determined by long experimenting unless another genious determine for us..
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yep..imho the enigma has been solved "roughly" or at least its model part more than a decade ago which includes some complex relations that most of us hardly understands..
But still there are 2 problems..
serfdom which is been already in application for more than many thousand years is very hard to break still especially with human behaviour nature..
And the real application details can be determined by long experimenting unless another genious determine for us..
.....thats, getting nearer the mark cem - human behaviour will always dictate that which is best for that particular individual :y
.......and it will take some time for us to arrive at that ideal point, where the needs of the many are dealt with in an open, democratic and caring fashion by those deemed worthy enough administer those traits :y
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"human behaviour will always dictate that which is best for that particular individual "
Unfortunately , in my country where uneducated masses are the highest ratio, human behaviour is/was easily manipulated and results are completely desperate..
"and it will take some time for us to arrive at that ideal point, where the needs of the many are dealt with in an open, democratic and caring fashion by those deemed worthy enough administer those traits "
thats my dream too :y
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Unfortunately , in my country where uneducated masses are the highest ratio, human behaviour is/was easily manipulated and results are completely desperate.[/highlight].
.....your country is not alone in that trait cem, it happens by varying degree in most other countries around the globe ;) ;)
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A descendant of King William IV
I went to the same prep school as Prince Edward then on to Eton and Oxford.
I spent 3months in Hong Kong in a job daddy(a wealthy stockboker married to the daughter of a Baronet) arranged for me.
I now wish to represent the people of Britain along with 18 of my chums from Eton - and it looks like I'll get my wish....
I have a worm-like appearance and no policies.
Who am I? :-X ::) :-?
Theres a few names
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david cameron?
Blimey that was quick :o :o ;D ;D
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Can't think where to put this as there are some many political threads on the go, but here is as good a place as any:
“It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt for all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice;
ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government;
ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage…
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you?
Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your god; which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes?…
Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; ye were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, and are yourselves gone…
In the name of God, go!”
Oliver Cromwell, 1653 & Nickbat, 2009 ;)
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Can't think where to put this as there are some many political threads on the go, but here is as good a place as any:
“It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt for all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice;
ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government;
ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage…
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you?
Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your god; which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes?…
Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; ye were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, and are yourselves gone…
In the name of God, go!”
Oliver Cromwell, 1653 & Nickbat, 2009 ;)
I didn't know Ollie Cromwell knew the Camerons!? :o ;D
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Can't think where to put this as there are some many political threads on the go, but here is as good a place as any:
“It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt for all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice;
ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government;
ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage…
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you?
Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your god; which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes?…
Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; ye were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, and are yourselves gone…
In the name of God, go!”
Oliver Cromwell, 1653 & Nickbat, 2009 ;)
.....an individual known by and referred to both by myself and Ms Zoom on a number of occasions Nick. ;) Can't say he was wrong in his assertion :y
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Can't think where to put this as there are some many political threads on the go, but here is as good a place as any:
“It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt for all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice;
ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government;
ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage…
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you?
Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your god; which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes?…
Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; ye were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, and are yourselves gone…
In the name of God, go!”
Oliver Cromwell, 1653 & Nickbat, 2009 ;)
.....an individual known by and referred to both by myself and Ms Zoom on a number of occasions Nick. ;) Can't say he was wrong in his assertion :y
Indeed, Zulu. :y
Just felt like venting my spleen in an explosive fashion. ;) ;D
...and especially when I read this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5456789/mps-expenses-Gordon-Brown-billed-taxpayer-for-two-second-homes.html >:(
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Can't think where to put this as there are some many political threads on the go, but here is as good a place as any:
“It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt for all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice;
ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government;
ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage…
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you?
Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your god; which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes?…
Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; ye were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, and are yourselves gone…
In the name of God, go!”
Oliver Cromwell, 1653 & Nickbat, 2009 ;)
.....an individual known by and referred to both by myself and Ms Zoom on a number of occasions Nick. ;) Can't say he was wrong in his assertion :y
Indeed, Zulu. :y
Just felt like venting my spleen in an explosive fashion. ;) ;D
...and especially when I read this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5456789/mps-expenses-Gordon-Brown-billed-taxpayer-for-two-second-homes.html >:(
lookee here nick - this might interest you ;)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191155/Claims-David-Cameron-30m-fortune-sit-uneasily-taxpayers-So-truth-money.html
doesn't get the same coverage tho...
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Can't think where to put this as there are some many political threads on the go, but here is as good a place as any:
“It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt for all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice;
ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government;
ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage…
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you?
Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your god; which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes?…
Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; ye were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, and are yourselves gone…
In the name of God, go!”
Oliver Cromwell, 1653 & Nickbat, 2009 ;)
.....an individual known by and referred to both by myself and Ms Zoom on a number of occasions Nick. ;) Can't say he was wrong in his assertion :y
Indeed, Zulu. :y
Just felt like venting my spleen in an explosive fashion. ;) ;D
...and especially when I read this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5456789/mps-expenses-Gordon-Brown-billed-taxpayer-for-two-second-homes.html >:(
lookee here nick - this might interest you ;)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191155/Claims-David-Cameron-30m-fortune-sit-uneasily-taxpayers-So-truth-money.html
doesn't get the same coverage tho...
I don't give a hoot if he has £30m or £30bn. It's whether he can steer UK policies in the right direction that matters. As yet, I'm not 100% convinced he can, but his personal wealth is totally irrelevant.
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it's not the personal wealth, nickbat - it's the fact that "he paid off the £75,000 mortgage on the £1.5 million home in North Kensington, London, that he owns with his wife Samantha, after they took out a £350,000 taxpayer-funded HSBC mortgage on his designated Oxfordshire constituency second home."
that makes him look a tad grasping.....happily profiting from our hard earned tax - but he makes all the right noises about how the system needs cleaning and he'll root out any wrong-doing - brushing his own "creative accounting" under the carpet!
i just find it odd that most papers and media have shied away from examining this - and the Daily Mail - of all papers didn't.
Anyway bud, looks like Camerons a shoe in so we'll see what he's made of soon enough!
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A descendant of King William IV
I went to the same prep school as Prince Edward then on to Eton and Oxford.
I spent 3months in Hong Kong in a job daddy(a wealthy stockboker married to the daughter of a Baronet) arranged for me.I now wish to represent the people of Britain along with 18 of my chums from Eton - and it looks like I'll get my wish....
I have a worm-like appearance and no policies.
Who am I? :-X ::) :-?
Have a look at the family background/wealth/connections of Harriet Harman and Sean Woodward. ;)
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A descendant of King William IV
I went to the same prep school as Prince Edward then on to Eton and Oxford.
I spent 3months in Hong Kong in a job daddy(a wealthy stockboker married to the daughter of a Baronet) arranged for me.I now wish to represent the people of Britain along with 18 of my chums from Eton - and it looks like I'll get my wish....
I have a worm-like appearance and no policies.
Who am I? :-X ::) :-?
Have a look at the family background/wealth/connections of Harriet Harman and Sean Woodward. ;)
i don't disagree Albs - all parties have their fair share of the wealthy and titled - just DC seems to surround himself with more than most - ironically an image he's trying to ditch - difficult when your MPs claim for moats to be cleaned, tennis courts dug up and duck islands :-X