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Title: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: Turk on 08 June 2009, 00:44:29
He'd better not be keeping his job  >:(

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-documentid=147823804
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: albitz on 08 June 2009, 00:50:05
saw this earlier today,couldnt believe what I was reading.hope manslaughter charges are possible. >:( >:(
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 08 June 2009, 00:54:11
What does it tell you about the state of the country and of its institutions? Who can fix it?
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: MikeDundee on 08 June 2009, 06:03:59
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What does it tell you about the state of the country and of its institutions? Who can fix it?

The way things are going Bob the Builder could probably do a better job ::)
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: KillerWatt on 08 June 2009, 08:12:31
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What does it tell you about the state of the country and of its institutions? Who can fix it?
We don't know the full story yet, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the driver had had an accident and was deemed to blame because he was running over his shift time.

If there is no such directive, then the driver needs sacking at the very least - and if it can be proved (which I doubt) that the patient would have lived if it were not for the 10 minute delay, then a manslaughter charge has to follow.

We need to go back 25 years, ditch political correctness (we've never needed it anyway), ditch the "where theres blame theres a claim" (take responsibility for your own actions), and generally stop being such a bunch of big girls blouses IMO.


Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 08 June 2009, 12:34:52
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What does it tell you about the state of the country and of its institutions? Who can fix it?
We don't know the full story yet, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the driver had had an accident and was deemed to blame because he was running over his shift time.

If there is no such directive, then the driver needs sacking at the very least - and if it can be proved (which I doubt) that the patient would have lived if it were not for the 10 minute delay, then a manslaughter charge has to follow.

We need to go back 25 years, ditch political correctness (we've never needed it anyway), ditch the "where theres blame theres a claim" (take responsibility for your own actions), and generally stop being such a bunch of big girls blouses IMO.



Killer, you have this uncanny knack of making statements of great sense :y :y :y
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 08 June 2009, 12:38:06
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What does it tell you about the state of the country and of its institutions? Who can fix it?
We don't know the full story yet, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the driver had had an accident and was deemed to blame because he was running over his shift time.

If there is no such directive, then the driver needs sacking at the very least - and if it can be proved (which I doubt) that the patient would have lived if it were not for the 10 minute delay, then a manslaughter charge has to follow.

We need to go back 25 years, ditch political correctness (we've never needed it anyway), ditch the "where theres blame theres a claim" (take responsibility for your own actions), and generally stop being such a bunch of big girls blouses IMO.



Killer, you have this uncanny knack of making statements of great sense :y :y :y


Seconded!! :y :y
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: STMO123 on 08 June 2009, 13:18:34
I dont think the powers that be actually realise how much this grinds people like me down. Political correctness, as it is called, just doesn't sit right with a generation who grew up fending for themselves.
My poor wife, who is a headteacher, spends more and more of her time dealing with this rubbish. Every policy that she needs to instigate has to be trawled over by various local authority personnel who pick it to bits and send it back for amendment, time and time again. She doesn't have much time for education.

I wish someone would work out, properly, what all this meaningless shite actually costs the country, and therefore us, every year.
Then add that figure to what the tosspots in the european parliament cost.
I wouldn't mind betting it would be billions.....wasted.
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 08 June 2009, 14:42:19
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I dont think the powers that be actually realise how much this grinds people like me down. Political correctness, as it is called, just doesn't sit right with a generation who grew up fending for themselves.
My poor wife, who is a headteacher, spends more and more of her time dealing with this rubbish. Every policy that she needs to instigate has to be trawled over by various local authority personnel who pick it to bits and send it back for amendment, time and time again. She doesn't have much time for education.

I wish someone would work out, properly, what all this meaningless shite actually costs the country, and therefore us, every year.
Then add that figure to what the tosspots in the european parliament cost.
I wouldn't mind betting it would be billions.....wasted.


....very well said STMO :y :y  and if the cost of all this was to be worked out, you would be quite correct in viewing it as unnecessary shite ;)
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: Gareth Lewis on 08 June 2009, 15:32:32
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I dont think the powers that be actually realise how much this grinds people like me down. Political correctness, as it is called, just doesn't sit right with a generation who grew up fending for themselves.
My poor wife, who is a headteacher, spends more and more of her time dealing with this rubbish. Every policy that she needs to instigate has to be trawled over by various local authority personnel who pick it to bits and send it back for amendment, time and time again. She doesn't have much time for education.

I wish someone would work out, properly, what all this meaningless shite actually costs the country, and therefore us, every year.
Then add that figure to what the tosspots in the european parliament cost.
I wouldn't mind betting it would be billions.....wasted.

Actual cost 2007/08 £14m PER DAY :o :o
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: Varche on 08 June 2009, 17:08:22
sad to say but I don't think there is any going back. The political correctness thing is almost organic i.e. with a life of its own.

Where I now live is like I remember life was 25 years ago. No one locks their doors, people give people lifts, you can talk to someone elses child without being viewed as a perv, etc. If something is sensible then people just get on with it; like everyone helping out at the annual slaughter and prep of pigs instead of transporting them hundreds of miles despite it being "against EU rules".

Course it is all changing. The kids here too now have  parents not being able to say No or not wanting to.

Not sure I agree with you on the EU. There is a truly astonishing lack of information on British TV about EU matters. Why is that one wonders?  I think Britain ought to decide one way or the other to either be in the EU and behind it or backtrack and get out. I think the actual cost of the EU to Britain is £45m a day. Still small potatoes compared with the money pumped into useless UK banks that still are not lending. If Britain left the EU what would the £45 m actually be spent on? Building up the Commonwealth perhaps?

varche

PS I would hate to be a teacher nowadays. We were well behaved kids or else!
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 08 June 2009, 17:14:59
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I dont think the powers that be actually realise how much this grinds people like me down. Political correctness, as it is called, just doesn't sit right with a generation who grew up fending for themselves.
My poor wife, who is a headteacher, spends more and more of her time dealing with this rubbish. Every policy that she needs to instigate has to be trawled over by various local authority personnel who pick it to bits and send it back for amendment, time and time again. She doesn't have much time for education.

I wish someone would work out, properly, what all this meaningless shite actually costs the country, and therefore us, every year.
Then add that figure to what the tosspots in the european parliament cost.
I wouldn't mind betting it would be billions.....wasted.

Actual cost 2007/08 £14m PER DAY :o :o

Sorry Garreth, but the cost for being in the EC is actually £40m per day!!  ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: STMO123 on 08 June 2009, 17:39:01
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sad to say but I don't think there is any going back. The political correctness thing is almost organic i.e. with a life of its own.

Where I now live is like I remember life was 25 years ago. No one locks their doors, people give people lifts, you can talk to someone elses child without being viewed as a perv, etc. If something is sensible then people just get on with it; like everyone helping out at the annual slaughter and prep of pigs instead of transporting them hundreds of miles despite it being "against EU rules".

Course it is all changing. The kids here too now have  parents not being able to say No or not wanting to.

Not sure I agree with you on the EU. There is a truly astonishing lack of information on British TV about EU matters. Why is that one wonders?  I think Britain ought to decide one way or the other to either be in the EU and behind it or backtrack and get out. I think the actual cost of the EU to Britain is £45m a day. Still small potatoes compared with the money pumped into useless UK banks that still are not lending. If Britain left the EU what would the £45 m actually be spent on? Building up the Commonwealth perhaps?

varche

PS I would hate to be a teacher nowadays. We were well behaved kids or else!

How long have you got?
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 08 June 2009, 17:54:08
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sad to say but I don't think there is any going back. The political correctness thing is almost organic i.e. with a life of its own.

Where I now live is like I remember life was 25 years ago. No one locks their doors, people give people lifts, you can talk to someone elses child without being viewed as a perv, etc. If something is sensible then people just get on with it; like everyone helping out at the annual slaughter and prep of pigs instead of transporting them hundreds of miles despite it being "against EU rules".

Course it is all changing. The kids here too now have  parents not being able to say No or not wanting to.

Not sure I agree with you on the EU. There is a truly astonishing lack of information on British TV about EU matters. Why is that one wonders?  I think Britain ought to decide one way or the other to either be in the EU and behind it or backtrack and get out. I think the actual cost of the EU to Britain is £45m a day. Still small potatoes compared with the money pumped into useless UK banks that still are not lending. If Britain left the EU what would the £45 m actually be spent on? Building up the Commonwealth perhaps?
varche

PS I would hate to be a teacher nowadays. We were well behaved kids or else!


....I think the question should be Varche - what tangible benifet do we derive from actually being members, as presently realised, of the EU? :-/
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 08 June 2009, 18:26:59
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very sad..one ambulance driver with no responsibility..hope will be punished maximum.. >:(

and bad thing is, similiar things happen here also..  >:(
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 08 June 2009, 18:28:08
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sad to say but I don't think there is any going back. The political correctness thing is almost organic i.e. with a life of its own.

Where I now live is like I remember life was 25 years ago. No one locks their doors, people give people lifts, you can talk to someone elses child without being viewed as a perv, etc. If something is sensible then people just get on with it; like everyone helping out at the annual slaughter and prep of pigs instead of transporting them hundreds of miles despite it being "against EU rules".

Course it is all changing. The kids here too now have  parents not being able to say No or not wanting to.

Not sure I agree with you on the EU. There is a truly astonishing lack of information on British TV about EU matters. Why is that one wonders?  I think Britain ought to decide one way or the other to either be in the EU and behind it or backtrack and get out. I think the actual cost of the EU to Britain is £45m a day. Still small potatoes compared with the money pumped into useless UK banks that still are not lending. If Britain left the EU what would the £45 m actually be spent on? Building up the Commonwealth perhaps?
varche

PS I would hate to be a teacher nowadays. We were well behaved kids or else!


....I think the question should be Varche - what tangible benifet do we derive from actually being members, as presently realised, of the EU? :-/

I dont see any benefit even for my country..Obviously UK will go minus :-/
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: Gareth Lewis on 08 June 2009, 20:20:39
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I dont think the powers that be actually realise how much this grinds people like me down. Political correctness, as it is called, just doesn't sit right with a generation who grew up fending for themselves.
My poor wife, who is a headteacher, spends more and more of her time dealing with this rubbish. Every policy that she needs to instigate has to be trawled over by various local authority personnel who pick it to bits and send it back for amendment, time and time again. She doesn't have much time for education.

I wish someone would work out, properly, what all this meaningless shite actually costs the country, and therefore us, every year.
Then add that figure to what the tosspots in the european parliament cost.
I wouldn't mind betting it would be billions.....wasted.

Actual cost 2007/08 £14m PER DAY :o :o

Sorry Garreth, but the cost for being in the EC is actually £40m per day!!  ::) ::) ;)

ouch, ouch, ouch OUCH  :o :o :o :o Unbelievable >:( >:(
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 08 June 2009, 20:28:10
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sad to say but I don't think there is any going back. The political correctness thing is almost organic i.e. with a life of its own.

Where I now live is like I remember life was 25 years ago. No one locks their doors, people give people lifts, you can talk to someone elses child without being viewed as a perv, etc. If something is sensible then people just get on with it; like everyone helping out at the annual slaughter and prep of pigs instead of transporting them hundreds of miles despite it being "against EU rules".

Course it is all changing. The kids here too now have  parents not being able to say No or not wanting to.

Not sure I agree with you on the EU. There is a truly astonishing lack of information on British TV about EU matters. Why is that one wonders?  I think Britain ought to decide one way or the other to either be in the EU and behind it or backtrack and get out. I think the actual cost of the EU to Britain is £45m a day. Still small potatoes compared with the money pumped into useless UK banks that still are not lending. If Britain left the EU what would the £45 m actually be spent on? Building up the Commonwealth perhaps?
varche

PS I would hate to be a teacher nowadays. We were well behaved kids or else!


....I think the question should be Varche - what tangible benifet do we derive from actually being members, as presently realised, of the EU? :-/

I dont see any benefit even for my country..Obviously UK will go minus :-/


cem, with the way things are here, even a minus would be a plus ;) ;) :y
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: Vamps on 08 June 2009, 20:44:11
The crew were alerted to a Category A life-threatening incident and arrived at his home at 3.57pm. After assessing the patient they left for the hospital at 4.13pm - for a journey taking around 10 minutes. Instead the driver headed to his depot where he got out with the patient remaining in the back of the ambulance with the technician until the new driver took the wheel. The vehicle then left the depot and arrived at the hospital at 4.27pm. As soon as the patient got to A&E doctors administered CPR but were unable to save him. The delay was reported by the new driver who was just starting his shift.

The new driver did bloomin well to take over, sign in and get to the hospital from the Ambulance station in 4 Mins. 3 Major traffic lighted junctions two roundabouts and a mine roundabout and two pelican crossings and more than half a mile........ :y :y
Title: Re: Man dies after ambulance detour
Post by: crazyjoetavola on 08 June 2009, 20:55:49
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The crew were alerted to a Category A life-threatening incident and arrived at his home at 3.57pm. After assessing the patient they left for the hospital at 4.13pm - for a journey taking around 10 minutes. Instead the driver headed to his depot where he got out with the patient remaining in the back of the ambulance with the technician until the new driver took the wheel. The vehicle then left the depot and arrived at the hospital at 4.27pm. As soon as the patient got to A&E doctors administered CPR but were unable to save him. The delay was reported by the new driver who was just starting his shift.

The new driver did bloomin well to take over, sign in and get to the hospital from the Ambulance station in 4 Mins. 3 Major traffic lighted junctions two roundabouts and a mine roundabout and two pelican crossings and more than half a mile........ :y :y


...would have been an interesting ride Vamps ;)