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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 11 June 2009, 21:55:57
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From the link below:
10 Jun 2009
The European Union is stepping up efforts to build an enhanced pan-European system of security and surveillance which critics have described as “dangerously authoritarian”.
Civil liberties groups say the proposals would create an EU ID card register, internet surveillance systems, satellite surveillance, automated exit-entry border systems operated by machines reading biometrics and risk profiling systems.
Mark Francois, Conservative spokesman on Europe, has demanded "immediate clarity on where the government stands on this".
Demand all you like, son, you'll get no response from this lot. Anyway, they probably like the idea. >:(
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/5496912/EU-security-proposals-are-dangerously-authoritarian.html
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you are not lonely ;D :y
eu commission everytime ask for more..
endless new rules, endless debates.. etc etc..
but anyway they are not going to accept.. ;D
and even our politicians are tired of telling lies ;D and they give up except media >:( >:( >:(
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Britain will 'obviously' join euro says Mandelson.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/5506385/Britain-will-obviously-join-euro-says-Mandelson.html
Who elected that sleazebag? >:(
Oh yes, no one. >:( >:(
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No-one elected him but he now "owns" the Prime Minister. >:(
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I wish Brits say break off to the EU and see after what happens ;D
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I wish Brits say break off to the EU and see after what happens ;D
We'd survive
..and would enjoy much more freedom.
...and we'd be able to keep more of our fish
...and have a better agricultural sector (without the CAP)
...and the public purse would be better without shovelling so much money off to the Brussels
...and best of all, we could happily ignore the fat gravy-train bureaucrats in the EU Commission.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :y
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ok..time to be serious..
actually EU is not for the masses to transport freely ..
and neither its for the workers rights..
just to expand the lands of cheap labour..
while we are discussing here pages of reasons about BNP..
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I wish Brits say break off to the EU and see after what happens ;D
We'd survive
..and would enjoy much more freedom.
...and we'd be able to keep more of our fish
...and have a better agricultural sector (without the CAP)
...and the public purse would be better without shovelling so much money off to the Brussels
...and best of all, we could happily ignore the fat gravy-train bureaucrats in the EU Commission.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :y
Brits never need EU..
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ok..time to be serious..
actually EU is not for the masses to transport freely ..
and neither its for the workers rights..
just to expand the lands of cheap labour..
while we are discussing here pages of reasons about BNP..
True, but it's probably all part of this New World Order thing they whisper about. :-/
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ok..time to be serious..
actually EU is not for the masses to transport freely ..
and neither its for the workers rights..
just to expand the lands of cheap labour..
while we are discussing here pages of reasons about BNP..
True, but it's probably all part of this New World Order thing they whisper about. :-/
"new" means..
for us- cheap labour and no job guarantee. >:(
one management group for whole world-which is behind the scene now- will become official after..
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ok..time to be serious..
actually EU is not for the masses to transport freely ..
and neither its for the workers rights..
just to expand the lands of cheap labour..
while we are discussing here pages of reasons about BNP..
True, but it's probably all part of this New World Order thing they whisper about. :-/
"new" means..
for us- cheap labour and no job guarantee. >:(
one management group for whole world-which is behind the scene now- will become official after..
The Empire Cem?? :-/ :-/
Now where are those Jedi Knights when you need them!! ::) ::) :D :D ;)
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ok..time to be serious..
actually EU is not for the masses to transport freely ..
and neither its for the workers rights..
just to expand the lands of cheap labour..
while we are discussing here pages of reasons about BNP..
True, but it's probably all part of this New World Order thing they whisper about. :-/
"new" means..
for us- cheap labour and no job guarantee. >:(
one management group for whole world-which is behind the scene now- will become official after..
The Empire Cem?? :-/ :-/
Now where are those Jedi Knights when you need them!! ::) ::) :D :D ;)
actually those who live in Olympos have interesting plans for future..there are interesting links which I'm scared to share ;D :y
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ok..time to be serious..
actually EU is not for the masses to transport freely ..
and neither its for the workers rights..
just to expand the lands of cheap labour..
while we are discussing here pages of reasons about BNP..
True, but it's probably all part of this New World Order thing they whisper about. :-/
"new" means..
for us- cheap labour and no job guarantee. >:(
one management group for whole world-which is behind the scene now- will become official after..
The Empire Cem?? :-/ :-/
Now where are those Jedi Knights when you need them!! ::) ::) :D :D ;)
actually those who live in Olympos have interesting plans for future..there are interesting links which I'm scared to share ;D :y
They're building an Olympic Village in London right now. Will this be their forward base? ;D ;D ;)
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ok..time to be serious..
actually EU is not for the masses to transport freely ..
and neither its for the workers rights..
just to expand the lands of cheap labour..
while we are discussing here pages of reasons about BNP..
True, but it's probably all part of this New World Order thing they whisper about. :-/
"new" means..
for us- cheap labour and no job guarantee. >:(
one management group for whole world-which is behind the scene now- will become official after..
The Empire Cem?? :-/ :-/
Now where are those Jedi Knights when you need them!! ::) ::) :D :D ;)
actually those who live in Olympos have interesting plans for future..there are interesting links which I'm scared to share ;D :y
They're building an Olympic Village in London right now. Will this be their forward base? ;D ;D ;)
;D ;D :y
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these idiots at the EU cant even explain where the millions have gone from their accounts over the years, so much for security in their own ranks let alone the whole of europe, the sooner we get out the better if you ask me >:(
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these idiots at the EU cant even explain where the millions have gone from their accounts over the years, so much for security in their own ranks let alone the whole of europe, the sooner we get out the better if you ask me >:(
Spot on, Alf. They haven't been able to find anyone to sign off their accounts for 17 years! >:(
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Britain will 'obviously' join euro says Mandelson.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/5506385/Britain-will-obviously-join-euro-says-Mandelson.html
Who elected that sleazebag? >:(
Oh yes, no one. >:( >:(
... Nick! how dare you refer to our beloved Prime Minister in those cruel terms ;) ;) :y
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ok..time to be serious..
actually EU is not for the masses to transport freely ..
and neither its for the workers rights..
just to expand the lands of cheap labour..
while we are discussing here pages of reasons about BNP..
True, but it's probably all part of this New World Order thing they whisper about. :-/
..........it's not exactly being whispered about now, Nick.......
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B5JHSTOrdU[/media]
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Britain will 'obviously' join euro says Mandelson.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/5506385/Britain-will-obviously-join-euro-says-Mandelson.html
Who elected that sleazebag? >:(
Oh yes, no one. >:( >:(
... Nick! how dare you refer to our beloved Prime Minister in those cruel terms ;) ;) :y
Yes, you're right, Zulu.
I must show due deference. Allow me to change the the reference to Lord Sleazebag. ;) ;D
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Britain will 'obviously' join euro says Mandelson.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/5506385/Britain-will-obviously-join-euro-says-Mandelson.html
Who elected that sleazebag? >:(
Oh yes, no one. >:( >:(
... Nick! how dare you refer to our beloved Prime Minister in those cruel terms ;) ;) :y
Yes, you're right, Zulu.
I must show due deference. Allow me to change the the reference to Lord Sleazebag. ;) ;D
....please feel free to do so Nick - it doesn't make the bitter pill any easier to take however - what a corruption of the honours system :( - done in such a bare-faced way - incredible - don't they ever think that people will see throught this nonsense? - could go on and on and on [size=9]and on and on........[/size]
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ok..time to be serious..
actually EU is not for the masses to transport freely ..
and neither its for the workers rights..
just to expand the lands of cheap labour..
while we are discussing here pages of reasons about BNP..
True, but it's probably all part of this New World Order thing they whisper about. :-/
..........it's not exactly being whispered about now, Nick.......
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B5JHSTOrdU[/media]
I wanted to get some sleep tonight! That's scary stuff. Bilderburg, Club of Rome etc, etc. :-/
Let's start a secret society for normal people. :y
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.........please sign me up immediately - thank you :y :y - for the normal society I would hasten to add ;) ;)
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Britain will 'obviously' join euro says Mandelson.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/5506385/Britain-will-obviously-join-euro-says-Mandelson.html
Who elected that sleazebag? >:(
Oh yes, no one. >:( >:(
... Nick! how dare you refer to our beloved Prime Minister in those cruel terms ;) ;) :y
Yes, you're right, Zulu.
I must show due deference. Allow me to change the the reference to Lord Sleazebag. ;) ;D
....please feel free to do so Nick - it doesn't make the bitter pill any easier to take however - what a corruption of the honours system :( - done in such a bare-faced way - incredible - don't they ever think that people will see throught this nonsense? - could go on and on and on [size=9]and on and on........[/size]
Do you know what? With all that's gone on here over the last week or so, I am happier with those who discuss support for extremist parties rather than those who say they know nothing about politics and find it "boring", for it is the latter's refusal to get involved that will allow all this to continue to the eventual end-game. :(
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To put my last comment more succinctly, extremism is a symptom, but apathy is the disease.
Reckon I'll get into the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations with that one? ;) ;D ;D
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Correct Nick, apathy is the most dangerous condition with which people allow themselves to be afflicted.
Whilst there have been many opinions expressed in the various threads covering the BNP, EU and so on, the encouraging thing is, that those opinions have merit - in that those expressing them at least took the trouble to do so. That is always a good thing.
I think this forum has shown its worth over and above that for which it primarily exists. The standard of debate has been pleasing to say the least.
Long may that be so :y
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Correct Nick, apathy is the most dangerous condition with which people allow themselves to be afflicted.
Whilst there have been many opinions expressed in the various threads covering the BNP, EU and so on, the encouraging thing is, that those opinions have merit - in that those expressing them at least took the trouble to do so. That is always a good thing.
I think this forum has shown its worth over and above that for which it primarily exists. The standard of debate has been pleasing to say the least.
Long may that be so :y
Agreed! :y :y
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At the risk of sounding like a staunch supporter of the EU (which I am not) all this is just sound bites.Like the current justified railing at a few thousand pounds erroneously claimed by politicians whilst ignoring the BILLIONS being spent (open chequebook) on Trident - as a deterrent against who?! The truth is the average person can only comprehend small figures. What is a Trillion anyway!
It would be nice for someone to publish or show on TV the household accounts for the EU. Will we get it, No. Info does exist even if they cannot get the auditors to "sign it off". How can people say they don't agree with something if they don't know the facts just a few "headline grabbing bites"?
As for trotting out the fishing industry. Makes my blood boil. UK didn't support its fishing industry, Spain among others did. Some UK fishermen sold their licences to the highest bidders (Spanish). The Spanish have super effecient state of the art fish dredgers and pay good money for their beloved fish. The villains of the piece? Not the fishermen,not the Spanish but the beauracrats administering quotas and governments of yesteryear for not supporting the fishing industry.
Next you will be wanting to pull Scotland, NI and Wales out of Breat Britain! And the South out of England.
varche
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At the risk of sounding like a staunch supporter of the EU (which I am not) all this is just sound bites.Like the current justified railing at a few thousand pounds erroneously claimed by politicians whilst ignoring the BILLIONS being spent (open chequebook) on Trident - as a deterrent against who?! The truth is the average person can only comprehend small figures. What is a Trillion anyway!
It would be nice for someone to publish or show on TV the household accounts for the EU. Will we get it, No. Info does exist even if they cannot get the auditors to "sign it off". How can people say they don't agree with something if they don't know the facts just a few "headline grabbing bites"?
As for trotting out the fishing industry. Makes my blood boil. UK didn't support its fishing industry, Spain among others did. Some UK fishermen sold their licences to the highest bidders (Spanish). The Spanish have super effecient state of the art fish dredgers and pay good money for their beloved fish. The villains of the piece? Not the fishermen,not the Spanish but the beauracrats administering quotas and governments of yesteryear for not supporting the fishing industry.
Next you will be wanting to pull Scotland, NI and Wales out of Breat Britain! And the South out of England.
varche
Speaking at a conference of fishermen, scientists and conservationists at a summit in Edinburgh, Richard Lochhead, the Scottish environment minister, said £40 million of fish is thrown away every year.
He said: "Discards are bad news. Bad news for fishermen, bad news for consumers and bad news for the environment.
"I am appalled and frustrated at the scandalous level of waste and the economic and environmental madness discards represent. In what other industry would it be acceptable to throw away so much of what is produced?
"Responsible and hard-working skippers are heartbroken because they have to throw away precious fish. That is why they, like me, are determined to tackle the scourge of discards.
"The scale of the problem beggars belief. Crazy European regulations mean that at a time of worldwide food shortages and higher food prices at home, our fishermen are having to throw away up to £40 million worth of fish for which there is a perfectly good market."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3352389/Call-to-end-crazy-EU-regulations-on-fishing-catch-quotas.html
Never mind about going back decades to previous UK policies on fishing. I'm not saying they were right, but any system that allows this sort of waste is criminal. Yes, in my eyes it is criminal to be forced to throw so much fish back into the sea. >:( >:(
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I am surprised it is only £40million pounds worth of fish a year. It is criminal. BUT
Still small potatoes compared to the big picture. How much does YOUR local council pay out of your community charge to the EU? How much do developing countries in the EU receive to improve roads or infrastructure? You cannot fail to see the signs everywhere in Spain saying "this built with EU money" I bet the eastern part of the EU will be awash with infrastructure improvement money soon.
What is the net benefit to Britain in terms of trade and incomings and outgoings.?
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I am surprised it is only £40million pounds worth of fish a year. It is criminal. BUT
Still small potatoes compared to the big picture. How much does YOUR local council pay out of your community charge to the EU? How much do developing countries in the EU receive to improve roads or infrastructure? You cannot fail to see the signs everywhere in Spain saying "this built with EU money" I bet the eastern part of the EU will be awash with infrastructure improvement money soon.
What is the net benefit to Britain in terms of trade and incomings and outgoings.?
I don't know, is the short answer. ;)
However, this makes for interesting reading:
"The European Union costs us £65 billion gross every year.
That's about £1,000 each every year for every man, woman and child in the UK. And it increases every year."
and there's more here:
http://www.democracymovementsurrey.co.uk/dyk_eucosts.htm
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I don't know about you, but I resent giving away a grand a year to an organisation who can't even find someone prepared to audit their accounts let alone tell me what benefits it's buying me, other than that it'd be unfortunate if the UK were "left behind", whatever that means.
Trade is one thing, and it makes sense that we have agreements throughout Europe to promote that.
Trade doesn't require a single currency and the imposition of more and more political control originating from an unelected, unaccountable bunch of cretins drawn from a pool of failed national-level politicians. >:(
Just had to get that off my chest. ;)
Kevin
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I don't know about you, but I resent giving away a grand a year to an organisation who can't even find someone prepared to audit their accounts let alone tell me what benefits it's buying me, other than that it'd be unfortunate if the UK were "left behind", whatever that means.
Trade is one thing, and it makes sense that we have agreements throughout Europe to promote that.
Trade doesn't require a single currency and the imposition of more and more political control originating from an unelected, unaccountable bunch of cretins drawn from a pool of failed national-level politicians. >:(
Just had to get that off my chest. ;)
Kevin
....once again Kevin you're on the money there - that control will eventually impinge on the freedom of each and every one of us to be able to hold the national legislature to account.
This is a very dangerous organisation which seems to be ever more present in the day to day running of this country.
An organisation over which we have no control and an organisation which does not take no for an answer, our Irish brethren will attest to that.
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At the risk of sounding like a staunch supporter of the EU (which I am not) all this is just sound bites.Like the current justified railing at a few thousand pounds erroneously claimed by politicians whilst ignoring the BILLIONS being spent (open chequebook) on Trident - as a deterrent against who?! The truth is the average person can only comprehend small figures. What is a Trillion anyway!
It would be nice for someone to publish or show on TV the household accounts for the EU. Will we get it, No. Info does exist even if they cannot get the auditors to "sign it off". How can people say they don't agree with something if they don't know the facts just a few "headline grabbing bites"?
As for trotting out the fishing industry. Makes my blood boil. UK didn't support its fishing industry, Spain among others did. Some UK fishermen sold their licences to the highest bidders (Spanish). The Spanish have super effecient state of the art fish dredgers and pay good money for their beloved fish. The villains of the piece? Not the fishermen,not the Spanish but the beauracrats administering quotas and governments of yesteryear for not supporting the fishing industry.
Next you will be wanting to pull Scotland, NI and Wales out of Breat Britain! And the South out of England.
varche
It would be nice for someone to publish or show on TV the household accounts for the EU. Will we get it, No. Info does exist even if they cannot get the auditors to "sign it off"
.....the question must be asked, quite reasonably in my view, why not - where is this information? Accountability is the cornerstone of good governance and without it such governance is open to abuse, a fact readily substantiated by the dubious machinations of Brussels
BILLIONS being spent (open chequebook) on Trident
...what about the vast sums we are sending to Brussels to remain a member of this organisation - what are we getting in return?
How can people say they don't agree with something if they don't know the facts just a few "headline grabbing bites"?
......if you think that those of us who are commenting on this matter are motivated by a few 'headline grabbing bites' I can assure you that you are very much mistaken. The questionable policies dispensed by Brussels in its various Directives are just that – questionable, and provide more than enough fodder upon which we can debate.
beauracrats administering quotas and governments of yesteryear
.....irrespective of what has gone before, varche,
Brussels has an alarming level of control over these matters and has had so for very many years. In that respect, I feel that criticism of those very institutions you mention, can be laid fairly and very squarely at the door of Brussels.
Next you will be wanting to pull Scotland, NI and Wales out of Breat Britain! And the South out of England.
...no varche a lessening of the all pervading influence of this unaccountable and unelected monster will be sufficient to be going on with - the UK can better look after its own affairs whilst maintaining friendly relations with the remainder of Europe
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If the EU is such a much vaunted thing why have switzerland and Norway not joined ? proberly because they saw what has happened to the better off members of the EU ie the UK ,Germany and Holland whilst the counterys like spain ,greece and portugal have raked billions in subsidies to bring them up to the others standards.And yes I have plenty of expeirence of seeing the the payouts at work in the lesser states ,having spent the best part of the last 20 years driving around in a truck,when i first went to spain 20 years ago some of the main A roads in the south of spain were not much better than glorified goat tracks ,now spain has some of the best infrastructure in europe ,as Varche said all paid for largely with grants from the EEC