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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: eddie on 26 July 2009, 16:56:29
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sitting in the office last night about 7-ish,windows and fire door wide open. A deisel freight went past and gave an almighty dee da on his horn,not normal.
Took a look outside and noticed a couple heads over the parapet of a nearby (50yds) footbridge,aha thinks I,kids on the bridge.
10 mins later a very strange 'whoo-hooo-whoo' and a bloody steam train went thundering past doing about 60 mph! Totally gobsmacked!
Any one know what it might have been--from what I saw it was similar to the Princess Elizabeth type I used to have as a sprog (Triang!)
eddie
PS. Silly old bugger,forgot to mention this was the Cardiff Swansea line going into Cardiff Central.
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where abouts in Cardiff?
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Sorry see my 'PS'. I was in a call center near Ely Bridge,Cardiff west area. Between St Fagans X-crossing and Ely Bridge.
eddie
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I have been all the way through the scheduled rail tours and unscheduled 'light engine' movements booked for the Cardiff area Eddie, but so far no sign of the possible engine you saw. :P :P
Could you say if it had a two, three, three offset, or four cylinder beat by any chance and what livery was it in, i.e. Brunswick green (BR), crimson lake (LMS), lined black(BR) or southern / malachite green (SR)? :-/ :-/ :-/
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In addition Eddie, was it pulling a train or running 'light engine'?
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My research has indicated a possibility it was the brand new A1 loco 60163 Tornado which is booked for rail tours ex Eastleigh to Bristol next weekend, but more importantly a tour from Bristol to Carmarthen. (Damn, why don't I still live near Bristol!!! ::) ::) ::) >:( >:( >:()
It could have been in 'light engine' movement in advance of these tours via Severn Tunnel Junction, with, for some reason, a visit to the Cardiff area, maybe for route familiarisation**. ;) ;) ;)
**.............or stabling and at Cardiff Canton TMD of course!!
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Just done a google search on ot.
Found this.
http://www.a1steam.com/
http://www.a1steam.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=148
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Just done a google search on ot.
Found this.
http://www.a1steam.com/
http://www.a1steam.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=148
That was one of the sites Skruntie I visited amoungst many others I happen to know! ;D ;D ;D
It is an excellent site! :D :D :D :D :y :y
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Even a trip near you Lizzie
Monday 21st December – The Cathedrals Express - Kent Circular – arranged by Steam Dreams
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Even a trip near you Lizzie
Monday 21st December – The Cathedrals Express - Kent Circular – arranged by Steam Dreams
Yes, these tours are regular in these parts with the likes of my favourite engine WC 34016 Bodmin or more likely unrebuilt BB 34067 Tangmere :y :y :y
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**.............or stabling and at Cardiff Canton TMD of course!!
Can see the Canton Depot from here :y
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**.............or stabling and at Cardiff Canton TMD of course!!
Can see the Canton Depot from here :y
Cool James! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) Any steamers there at the moment?
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A question for any one who lives in Bristol:
Do they still use Bristol Barrow Road TMD for the stabling of steam special locomotives?
Bristol Bath Road Depot has gone completely has it not?
Thanks for any replies! :y :y :y
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**.............or stabling and at Cardiff Canton TMD of course!!
Can see the Canton Depot from here :y
Cool James! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) Any steamers there at the moment?
Nope - well, as of this morning, one FGW sprinter, and a load of "Arriva-ised" class 143 and 150 units.
Naaasty, Nasty trains >:(
They do their job, but they are so noisy inside, I have to have my headphones right up!
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**.............or stabling and at Cardiff Canton TMD of course!!
Can see the Canton Depot from here :y
Cool James! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) Any steamers there at the moment?
Nope - well, as of this morning, one FGW sprinter, and a load of "Arriva-ised" class 143 and 150 units.
Naaasty, Nasty trains >:(
They do their job, but they are so noisy inside, I have to have my headphones right up!
Thanks James! :y :y A bit boring then, and it would seem our steam locomotive is elsewhere. Your train travels would be a lot quieter and more pleasurable behind Tornado!! ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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Generally, such lococs are stabled inside......a million quids worth of high profile loco exposed to the local youths is not normaly a preference of the owners.
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Generally, such lococs are stabled inside......a million quids worth of high profile loco exposed to the local youths is not normaly a preference of the owners.
No actually Mark with loco's in steam, unlike diesels, they are often allowed to sit outside the main shed even on preserved sites, and certainly at Rail Track main depots like Bristol Barrow Road, they just simmer away in the open, with minders watching over them. Generally modern depots, and the steam sheds on preserved lines, do not like the smoke and soot inside covering either main line non-steam stock, or other out of use, probably being overhauled (with paint included) steam locomotives.
The eventual hope of all preserved lines is of course to have a full sized 'running shed', but that will take a great deal of additional funds. I believe only the Bluebell and Severn Valley Railways are coming close to this facility, but the priority is often to cover passenger carriages first which are subject to weather damage and vandalism!! >:( >:(
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My daily commute is on a Turbostar 170 -
It's a really nice ride, all past the river severn etc
(http://www.bettertrains4chepstow.co.uk/Images/Chepstow%20XC%20Web.jpg)
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My daily commute is on a Turbostar 170 -
It's a really nice ride, all past the river severn etc
(http://www.bettertrains4chepstow.co.uk/Images/Chepstow%20XC%20Web.jpg)
Very nice too James! :y :y :y That always makes travelling by train worth it, as you can never take in such views when driving a car ;) ;) Those 170s certainly look smart as well! 8-) 8-)
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Generally, such lococs are stabled inside......a million quids worth of high profile loco exposed to the local youths is not normaly a preference of the owners.
No actually Mark with loco's in steam, unlike diesels, they are often allowed to sit outside the main shed even on preserved sites, and certainly at Rail Track main depots like Bristol Barrow Road, they just simmer away in the open, with minders watching over them. Generally modern depots, and the steam sheds on preserved lines, do not like the smoke and soot inside covering either main line non-steam stock, or other out of use, probably being overhauled (with paint included) steam locomotives.
The eventual hope of all preserved lines is of course to have a full sized 'running shed', but that will take a great deal of additional funds. I believe only the Bluebell and Severn Valley Railways are coming close to this facility, but the priority is often to cover passenger carriages first which are subject to weather damage and vandalism!! >:( >:(
Whens it running...if not within 24 hours then they will drop the fire and shift it inside.....we had the same recently with the visiting 04 GCR loco from the national collection......to many trophy hunters about to leave them in the open sadly.
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**.............or stabling and at Cardiff Canton TMD of course!!
Can see the Canton Depot from here :y
Cool James! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) Any steamers there at the moment?
Nope - well, as of this morning, one FGW sprinter, and a load of "Arriva-ised" class 143 and 150 units.
Naaasty, Nasty trains >:(
They do their job, but they are so noisy inside, I have to have my headphones right up!
No 37s :( :(
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Generally, such lococs are stabled inside......a million quids worth of high profile loco exposed to the local youths is not normaly a preference of the owners.
No actually Mark with loco's in steam, unlike diesels, they are often allowed to sit outside the main shed even on preserved sites, and certainly at Rail Track main depots like Bristol Barrow Road, they just simmer away in the open, with minders watching over them. Generally modern depots, and the steam sheds on preserved lines, do not like the smoke and soot inside covering either main line non-steam stock, or other out of use, probably being overhauled (with paint included) steam locomotives.
The eventual hope of all preserved lines is of course to have a full sized 'running shed', but that will take a great deal of additional funds. I believe only the Bluebell and Severn Valley Railways are coming close to this facility, but the priority is often to cover passenger carriages first which are subject to weather damage and vandalism!! >:( >:(
Whens it running...if not within 24 hours then they will drop the fire and shift it inside.....we had the same recently with the visiting 04 GCR loco from the national collection......to many trophy hunters about to leave them in the open sadly.
Glad your railway has enough shed room Mark :D :D ;)
So many have not, and when they have a dozen or more not all 'out of steam' loco's get to go inside :( Also do not forget preserved lines like the Mid-Hants, Severn Railway, Bluebell, North Yorkshire Moors, Paignton & Kingswear, at this time of the year are running engines throughout the week so are kept in steam as long as possible, which means they must be kept outside the main sheds, due once more to a lack of proper running sheds. ;)
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We are quite fortunate, we have:
No 1 shed - 3 roads and full workshop facilities with overhead crane, currently housing 2 ancient teak coaches, a manning wardle in bits, a Mk1 coach, a Mk2 buffet freshly re-painted and 56 steam tank engine.
No 5 shed - 2 roads, currently housing 3 more teak coaches, class 37 under restortion, corby tank engine, 08 shunter.
No 4 shed is being built, this will, be a twin road carriage shed to put all the teak coaches in freeing up more of the running shed and maintenance shed space.
Or diesel fleet all sits outside unless undergoing work
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As this is how it can look at the Mid Hants, with on this occassion National Collection Lord Nelson 'on shed':
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/LordNelsononshed.jpg)
No way I'm afraid can the Mid Hants afford shed cover for all this at the moments until memebers / shareholders like me give them more money, and revenue increases :'( :'(
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......and another familar scene for me of Ropley shed:
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/Ropleyshed.jpg)
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We are very fortunate, 10 gypsum trains a week using the line helps fund the development.
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We are very fortunate, 10 gypsum trains a week using the line helps fund the development.
I thought they used caravans.
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**.............or stabling and at Cardiff Canton TMD of course!!
Can see the Canton Depot from here :y
Cool James! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) Any steamers there at the moment?
I see a steamer most mornings ;D ;D
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We are very fortunate, 10 gypsum trains a week using the line helps fund the development.
Ah, that's your railways secret to extra funds then Mark!! :D :D :D :y :y If only that was available to all lines! ::) ::) ;)
Sometimes 'heritage railways' can get some funding from a lottery grant, which I believe the 'premier' preserved Severn Valley Railway has used to fund what most lines need; a wonderful new The Engine House where all 'out of steam' reserve engines are stored and can be freely viewed by the public as it is a non-working shed! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) ;)
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We are very fortunate, 10 gypsum trains a week using the line helps fund the development.
Handy. :y
Sounds like Alresford needs to step up its' watercress production. How many beds would they need for 10 trains a week? Quite a few, I expect. ;D
Kevin
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We are very fortunate, 10 gypsum trains a week using the line helps fund the development.
Handy. :y
Sounds like Alresford needs to step up its' watercress production. How many beds would they need for 10 trains a week? Quite a few, I expect. ;D
Kevin
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
The line used to transport 14 tons of watercress a day to the rest of the country, but now of course the local production of that produce goes by road! :( :(
Thank you Earnest Marples and Dr Beeching!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Given that 14 tons is only just over a wagon load....I am not surprised that it goes by road! ;D ;D
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Even the prospect of 14 tons a day is pretty impressive. That's a lot of salad. :o
Kevin
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Given that 14 tons is only just over a wagon load....I am not surprised that it goes by road! ;D ;D
14 tons of polystyrene foam would be more than a wagon load, would be more like an oil tanker load :P
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Given that 14 tons is only just over a wagon load....I am not surprised that it goes by road! ;D ;D
Maybe, but that was one wagon load from the Mid Hants section of the line PER DAY, and many more from the Meon Valley line section that ran through a major watercress production area.
This is what Marples / Beeching ignored, the accumulative affect of rail travel by passengers and goods. They all travel up the minor, country lines to come together in large bulk for the main lines, which produced the overall profit (well before the government got hold of them during the two World Wars!!) for the railways. Instead they did a profit and loss study based on traffic flows often at the wrong times of the day, on each line in its own right. This gave them small feeder lines producing no profit / a loss; right "close them", and main lines making a profit; keep them. Net result was they CUT the traffic flows and suddenly the main lines were making large losses!! surprise, surprise, doh!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
The current government want us to use public transport, but the railway lines we should be able to use to feed on to the main lines have basically gone!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Bloody great!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( That's my favourite rant on the topic of British railways over........for now! ::) ::) :P :P
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Oh don't encourage these OOF Fat Controllers :D
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Oh don't encourage these OOF Fat Controllers :D
Whose calling me fat??!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Fear not, in this modern world of political correctness, there is also a thin controller!
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Fear not, in this modern world of political correctness, there is also a thin controller!
;D ;D ;D
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Fear not, in this modern world of political correctness, there is also a thin controller!
There had to be of course! ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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Fear not, in this modern world of political correctness, there is also a thin controller!
;D ;D ;D
I heard that the watercress line got a volunteer fat controller a couple of years back. Would have been perfect for the job, but the guy who makes their uniforms could only do a 60" waist so they had to turn him down. :o
Kevin
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Oh don't encourage these OOF Fat Controllers :D
So speaks the pink controller ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Sorry guys,started thread and dissapeared. Couple of folks in work are off with guess what,oink,oink?
The Engine was Black or Dark Green,Deffo pulling a load of coaches/carriages,deffo steam cause the whistle scared the crap out of us. Were only 10 yds from the track.
Long tapered 'Boiler' (?) and separate Tender,looked as I said just like the Princess Lizzie type.
eddie
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This one?
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01250/tornado_1250692i.jpg)
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I must admit Steam Engines do look and sound something special, although I have been told they are far harder to maintain etc :-?
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I must admit Steam Engines do look and sound something special, although I have been told they are far harder to maintain etc :-?
road steam engines are just as thrilling, having driven many around the country. its one of those bugs, if you get bitten, your hooked. :)
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I must admit Steam Engines do look and sound something special, although I have been told they are far harder to maintain etc :-?
There's also the fact that you can just shovel black stuff out of the ground and into the boiler and you have transport. I wonder what would have happened to our infrastructure during WWII if we'd already made the move to diesel / electric trains?
Kevin
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I must admit Steam Engines do look and sound something special, although I have been told they are far harder to maintain etc :-?
There's also the fact that you can just shovel black stuff out of the ground and into the boiler and you have transport. I wonder what would have happened to our infrastructure during WWII if we'd already made the move to diesel / electric trains?
Kevin
We already had quite a few electrics - we also had coal fired power stations
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I must admit Steam Engines do look and sound something special, although I have been told they are far harder to maintain etc :-?
There's also the fact that you can just shovel black stuff out of the ground and into the boiler and you have transport. I wonder what would have happened to our infrastructure during WWII if we'd already made the move to diesel / electric trains?
Kevin
You cant on a steam train sadly.....rather loads of maintenance!
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I must admit Steam Engines do look and sound something special, although I have been told they are far harder to maintain etc :-?
There's also the fact that you can just shovel black stuff out of the ground and into the boiler and you have transport. I wonder what would have happened to our infrastructure during WWII if we'd already made the move to diesel / electric trains?
Kevin
You cant on a steam train sadly.....rather loads of maintenance!
I don't dispute that but the point I was making is that they made us self-sufficient in terms of moving troops and materials around to an extent that we probably wouldn't have been if we'd moved on from steam.
The first thing that would be targeted in a wartime scenario would be imports of oil and gas and the second would be the electrical supply infrastructure. We need these to run trains.
Inefficient and labour intensive though they are by modern standards, if you have a serviceable steam locomotive, some track and coal and water, you have transport. You might have to throw manpower at maintaining them (and in practice locomotives were neglected during the war), but is that as scarce a commodity as imported energy in a wartime scenario?
Kevin
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I must admit Steam Engines do look and sound something special, although I have been told they are far harder to maintain etc :-?
There's also the fact that you can just shovel black stuff out of the ground and into the boiler and you have transport. I wonder what would have happened to our infrastructure during WWII if we'd already made the move to diesel / electric trains?
Kevin
You cant on a steam train sadly.....rather loads of maintenance!
I don't dispute that but the point I was making is that they made us self-sufficient in terms of moving troops and materials around to an extent that we probably wouldn't have been if we'd moved on from steam.
The first thing that would be targeted in a wartime scenario would be imports of oil and gas and the second would be the electrical supply infrastructure. We need these to run trains.
Inefficient and labour intensive though they are by modern standards, if you have a serviceable steam locomotive, some track and coal and water, you have transport. You might have to throw manpower at maintaining them (and in practice locomotives were neglected during the war), but is that as scarce a commodity as imported energy in a wartime scenario?
Kevin
Yep, well summed up Kevin :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
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I must admit Steam Engines do look and sound something special, although I have been told they are far harder to maintain etc :-?
There's also the fact that you can just shovel black stuff out of the ground and into the boiler and you have transport. I wonder what would have happened to our infrastructure during WWII if we'd already made the move to diesel / electric trains?
Kevin
You cant on a steam train sadly.....rather loads of maintenance!
I don't dispute that but the point I was making is that they made us self-sufficient in terms of moving troops and materials around to an extent that we probably wouldn't have been if we'd moved on from steam.
The first thing that would be targeted in a wartime scenario would be imports of oil and gas and the second would be the electrical supply infrastructure. We need these to run trains.
Inefficient and labour intensive though they are by modern standards, if you have a serviceable steam locomotive, some track and coal and water, you have transport. You might have to throw manpower at maintaining them (and in practice locomotives were neglected during the war), but is that as scarce a commodity as imported energy in a wartime scenario?
Kevin
I suspect it was not such a big deal in reality....if it was then we would not have been able to fuel tanks, cars, planes and warships.
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This one?
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01250/tornado_1250692i.jpg)
That one, or one very much like it, roared through Teignmouth the other day.