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Had an enjoyable few hours at the scrap yard yesterday......a rather large one 'up north'.
Not on a car mind....and I cant give to many details as its a bit of a touchy subject on some forums.
Needless to say, we got loads of spares for our little hobby!
And its the first time in years that I have been to a yard where you get stuck in and remove the items yourself
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Had an enjoyable few hours at the scrap yard yesterday......a rather large one 'up north'.
Not on a car mind....and I cant give to many details as its a bit of a touchy subject on some forums.
Needless to say, we got loads of spares for our little hobby!
And its the first time in years that I have been to a yard where you get stuck in and remove the items yourself
...makes for an even more enjoyable day :y :y
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Had an enjoyable few hours at the scrap yard yesterday......a rather large one 'up north'.
Not on a car mind....and I cant give to many details as its a bit of a touchy subject on some forums.
Needless to say, we got loads of spares for our little hobby!
And its the first time in years that I have been to a yard where you get stuck in and remove the items yourself
Train scrap yard :-/ :-? ::)
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And its the first time in years that I have been to a yard where you get stuck in and remove the items yourself
We have a car scrapyard like that here - excellent place...
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I wonder what sort of scrapyard it could have been Master? ::)
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http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=54.565773,-1.324421&spn=0.003116,0.006877&t=h&z=17
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And its the first time in years that I have been to a yard where you get stuck in and remove the items yourself
We have a car scrapyard like that here - excellent place...
One here too, i am like a kid in a sweetie shop.
That train one looks very interesting, love to go wonder around that. Shame its so far away :'(
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:) always a nice sense of satisfaction after a good days rummaging about in a scrapyard
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http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=54.565773,-1.324421&spn=0.003116,0.006877&t=h&z=17
That's five minutes from my house! How queer!
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I love scrapyards; my favourite "old fashioned scrappy" has mountains of machinery, plant and shipyard sized stock offcuts.....and (most importantly) friendly, 'blind in one eye' workers. ;D
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http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=54.565773,-1.324421&spn=0.003116,0.006877&t=h&z=17
:y :y :)
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Not T.J Thompsons by any chance? my dad used to be a crane driver there many moons ago!
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One of my most enjoyable memories is of my ex and I in the late 1970s making trips to Dai Woodhams Barry scrap yard when there was still a considerable percentage of the 220+ steam engines he had at one stage:
The famous scene in 1968:
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/Barry.png)
So Mark I would be well at home at any other railway orientated scrap yard, as I am at any car one!! :D :D :y :y :y 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
The trouble is it can prove a bit difficult squeezing an engine's wheels in your boot, especially if connected to an axle!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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One of my most enjoyable memories is of my ex and I in the late 1970s making trips to Dai Woodhams Barry scrap yard when there was still a considerable percentage of the 220+ steam engines he had at one stage:
The famous scene in 1968:
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk247/lizziefreeman/Barry.png)
So Mark I would be well at home at any other railway orientated scrap yard, as I am at any car one!! :D :D :y :y :y 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
The trouble is it can prove a bit difficult squeezing an engine's wheels in your boot, especially if connected to an axle!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
.. and what about freebies? I guess you need pretty big pockets to get out unnoticed. ::)
Kevin
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A few 47s in there!
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Thats a bloody long way to go for a srap yard mate
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http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=54.565773,-1.324421&spn=0.003116,0.006877&t=h&z=17
That's five minutes from my house! How queer!
5 mins from my office and 12 miles from my house :D :D
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Was Richard Branson there ?
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so tell us more of this project,... Or why you cant tell us about it, whichever....
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break! We aint got ANY scrapyards here :( :'(
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quite a few odd looking shunters. class 14 maybe?.
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Lol, that aerial pic is obviously from a few years ago.
They had.
1 off class 31 - pretty well robbed as it had been used as a spares source for other 31's for many years.
2 off industial shunters - used to shift pot ash about when working, built like brick shite houses with 6 inch thick buffer beams, a Rolls Royce diesel engine and a nice household consumer unit as a fuse box plus household rads for cab heating!
2 off 08 Shunters, ex EWS, looked ok as all rods were still fitted and none of the cranks had slipped.
Loads of bits of class 56's about, a few EE V8 and V12's (including a rare one which would have had an alternator as it had starter motors fitted)
1 off Class 47 - cant remember the number but it was a 474xx, this was being cut up with no 1 cab already removed (they are aluminium so worth good cash!), the roof and sides from the engine compartment removed also......given a 47 is a stressed skin build, this results in the main bed bending until its belly touches the rails due to the 32 ton power plant inside!
And the one we went for.....a rare opportunity in preservation as this had been main line running until, whilst parked in a siding in Gloucester, the pikeys robbed the cooper out of it (they also took half of the cooler group elements and some instruments......so maybe it wasn't pikeys!). Most times you get to recover parts, the loco has been sat in a siding for 6 years and used as a donor!
And yes, it was Thompsons, and no, you cant get in without knowing the right people and booking ahead.
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so tell us more of this project,... Or why you cant tell us about it, whichever....
I can talk about the project....its this!
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2227/3541970766_c180b0593d.jpg)
I just cant talk about the unfortunate donor!
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so tell us more of this project,... Or why you cant tell us about it, whichever....
I can talk about the project....its this!
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2227/3541970766_c180b0593d.jpg)
I just cant talk about the unfortunate donor!
Did'nt it sign a donor card then ::)..........
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so tell us more of this project,... Or why you cant tell us about it, whichever....
I can talk about the project....its this!
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2227/3541970766_c180b0593d.jpg)
I just cant talk about the unfortunate donor!
Was that unit at Marlybone last Friday? saw one just like it. Hauled a load of old coaches there for a steam special on Saturday.
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Nope, not cleared for mainline running....although it can be dragged across the mainline.
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And its the first time in years that I have been to a yard where you get stuck in and remove the items yourself
We have a car scrapyard like that here - excellent place...
We do too :)
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not happy with the Zafira then...? :-)
Sorry, before i get my coat, it looks ready to rock in the pic, what needs doing?
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Ow, shes a good runner.
But, these are rare units now and they are the last of a kind.
They contain Davis and Metcalfe brake gear....no other classes after this one did plus many other items are unique. Once the last of them on the mainline are scrapped (a time growing ever closer) then the spares will dry up very quickly and if you run out of spares then your woking loco turns in to a museum exhibit.
So, you need a good spares stock!
And hence, we work like little squirrels obtaining useable spares to keep her going for the long term. Even if you dont use them, they can be used to trade for items you do need.
Big diesels are fast dissappearing off our railways with the UK designed and built ones being quite rare now (class 66's being Gm Canadian units)
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so tell us more of this project,... Or why you cant tell us about it, whichever....
I can talk about the project....its this!
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2227/3541970766_c180b0593d.jpg)
I just cant talk about the unfortunate donor!
Was that unit at Marlybone last Friday? saw one just like it. Hauled a load of old coaches there for a steam special on Saturday.
I am told that it was 47580
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So, the loco in question was
47145 Merddin Emrys
She is under the torch as we speak (I am told)
(http://www.freefoto.com/images/23/11/23_11_19---Ex-FM-Rail-Class-47-47145_web.jpg)
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Nope, not cleared for mainline running....although it can be dragged across the mainline.
What's the restriction Mark?
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You need all the train protection systems fitted (ours only has AWS and you would need TPWS as well) and network radio installs.
Then you need to up the anti on the servicing (not a big deal) and compelte a major over haul.
Probably about 50K's worth of work!
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I suppose that's understandable but it must be frustrating all the same - will the unit be destined for static display then?
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now that is a quality project deffinatly different fro mthe norm id love to look around the train scrap yard
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47292 is a runner and is used on preserved lines (based in Nottingham).
47145 is currently heading for a new life as washing machines and cutlery!
Nothing to frustrating about not going mainline as it does bugger them up a bit! We can get a tow across the network to other locations though (we have certificates for ultrasonic crack testing on the axles/bogies and fitness to run).
It is a BIG hobby....and a bloody filthy one to!
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now that is a quality project deffinatly different fro mthe norm id love to look around the train scrap yard
Not a lot to see other than a few (often tired) trains. You just get on them and remove the bits you want. ;D
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i thought car audio was exspensive lol i can imagine its well satifying when you get to take it out
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Yup.....although I have done a shed load of work on 47292 and never yet traveled on or behind her!
Anyway, that gets addressed on the 23rd when I get a day as trainee!
Expensive, just a tad. Although a lcoo can be got for reasonable ish money, running them is a different mtter (although the centre pay a useage fee plus fuel and consumables)
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Yup.....although I have done a shed load of work on 47292 and never yet traveled on or behind her!
Anyway, that gets addressed on the 23rd when I get a day as trainee!
Expensive, just a tad. Although a lcoo can be got for reasonable ish money, running them is a different mtter (although the centre pay a useage fee plus fuel and consumables)
Is your 47 Mark equipped with a train heating boiler, and thus requires an insurance certificate for it? :-/
Of course with my beloved steam railway engines we most certainly have boilers - big ones - that require yearly exams, five year overhaules, and major overhaules ever 10 years which is VERY expensive (£100's of 000's :'( :'(), although a legal requirement and the only way you can obtain the insurance 'ticket'! Without that you cannot even run it on your own preserved line hauling passengers. Main line certificated engines are even more heavily restricted with the requirement for all the modern train control equipment.
Do diesels have similar restrictions and maintenance requirements? :-/
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All 47's were originally fitted with steam heat boilers (normaly a Spanner Mk1 or 2).
These were removed in the early 80's and only 1 or 2 have since been re-fitted. Some 47's (47/4's, 47/7's and 47/8's being an the types) were modified to replace the aux DC generator with an alternator which supported ETH (electric train heating) which is a 1000V ish Dc feed for coach ancillaries.
They boilers are required to be inspected but, do not have the same requirements as a steam loco as they are considerably lower pressure (they generally get inspected to the same standard as the air receivers i.e. boro scope inspection of the internals).
We are currently trying to obtain a steam heat boiler but, it wont be a Spanner unit, its more likely to be an ex factory diesel heat unit.
If you look at the pic of 145 you will note some hand holds on the side (they are plated over on 292), these were to allow access to the water fill point for the steam heat setup (the filler has been plated over).
Its interesting to note that some of the early express diesels (falcon is an example) had a water scoop fitted to re-plenish the boilers.....needless to say these were quickly removed due to the large spray created and the impact on the traction motors!
Also, when removed, some loco types (not 47's as they have a ver centrally mounted 33 ton Sulzer engine) suffered traction issues due to the large change in weight......so if you look say in a class 31 (has an EE V12 similar to that used in the 37 with a few changes) , you will find a boiler and water tank shaped lump of concrete!
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All 47's were originally fitted with steam heat boilers (normaly a Spanner Mk1 or 2).
These were removed in the early 80's and only 1 or 2 have since been re-fitted. Some 47's (47/4's, 47/7's and 47/8's being an the types) were modified to replace the aux DC generator with an alternator which supported ETH (electric train heating) which is a 1000V ish Dc feed for coach ancillaries.
They boilers are required to be inspected but, do not have the same requirements as a steam loco as they are considerably lower pressure (they generally get inspected to the same standard as the air receivers i.e. boro scope inspection of the internals).
We are currently trying to obtain a steam heat boiler but, it wont be a Spanner unit, its more likely to be an ex factory diesel heat unit.
If you look at the pic of 145 you will note some hand holds on the side (they are plated over on 292), these were to allow access to the water fill point for the steam heat setup (the filler has been plated over).
Its interesting to note that some of the early express diesels (falcon is an example) had a water scoop fitted to re-plenish the boilers.....needless to say these were quickly removed due to the large spray created and the impact on the traction motors!
Also, when removed, some loco types (not 47's as they have a ver centrally mounted 33 ton Sulzer engine) suffered traction issues due to the large change in weight......so if you look say in a class 31 (has an EE V12 similar to that used in the 37 with a few changes) , you will find a boiler and water tank shaped lump of concrete!
Thanks for all that Mark, I now know a little more about preserved diesels! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-):y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
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now that is a quality project deffinatly different fro mthe norm id love to look around the train scrap yard
Not a lot to see other than a few (often tired) trains. You just get on them and remove the bits you want. ;D
Been to Woodhams - that was huge
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All 47's were originally fitted with steam heat boilers (normaly a Spanner Mk1 or 2).
These were removed in the early 80's and only 1 or 2 have since been re-fitted. Some 47's (47/4's, 47/7's and 47/8's being an the types) were modified to replace the aux DC generator with an alternator which supported ETH (electric train heating) which is a 1000V ish Dc feed for coach ancillaries.
They boilers are required to be inspected but, do not have the same requirements as a steam loco as they are considerably lower pressure (they generally get inspected to the same standard as the air receivers i.e. boro scope inspection of the internals).
We are currently trying to obtain a steam heat boiler but, it wont be a Spanner unit, its more likely to be an ex factory diesel heat unit.
If you look at the pic of 145 you will note some hand holds on the side (they are plated over on 292), these were to allow access to the water fill point for the steam heat setup (the filler has been plated over).
Its interesting to note that some of the early express diesels (falcon is an example) had a water scoop fitted to re-plenish the boilers.....needless to say these were quickly removed due to the large spray created and the impact on the traction motors!
Also, when removed, some loco types (not 47's as they have a ver centrally mounted 33 ton Sulzer engine) suffered traction issues due to the large change in weight......so if you look say in a class 31 (has an EE V12 similar to that used in the 37 with a few changes) , you will find a boiler and water tank shaped lump of concrete!
47/3 were never fittted with with boilers
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Ow, shes a good runner.
But, these are rare units now and they are the last of a kind.
They contain Davis and Metcalfe brake gear....no other classes after this one did plus many other items are unique. Once the last of them on the mainline are scrapped (a time growing ever closer) then the spares will dry up very quickly and if you run out of spares then your woking loco turns in to a museum exhibit.
So, you need a good spares stock!
And hence, we work like little squirrels obtaining useable spares to keep her going for the long term. Even if you dont use them, they can be used to trade for items you do need.
Big diesels are fast dissappearing off our railways with the UK designed and built ones being quite rare now (class 66's being Gm Canadian units)
Bl00dy Sheds - not exactly a heavy hauler.
One failed on a bank with a heavy train, the following one with a Brush built loco pushed it up with its own train as well.
Most powerful Diesel in Britain was built in 1962!