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Title: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 17:25:34
To spend 10k on a bike  ::)

http://www.oxfordbmwbikes.co.uk/viewbike.asp?SP_ID=1874584&BRA_ID=3969#
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: albitz on 10 September 2009, 17:31:25
Not if its an MV Agusta or a Ducati. :y ;

http://www.mvagustausa.com/web-mvagusta/F4-1000_Tamb.html

http://www.ducati.com/docs_eng/photogalleries/Templates/singleShow.jhtml?start=2&pgName=0010

 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: mantahatch on 10 September 2009, 17:35:13
Sorry Tunnie, but yes it is very wrong to spend that amount of cash on german machine  ;D Now a good motocrosser and then it would be fine.  ;D
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: TheBoy on 10 September 2009, 17:37:55
It is on that heap of crock
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 17:40:18
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It is on that heap of crock

Its only cause your a short ass and would not be able to reach the gear selector  ::)
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: Banjax on 10 September 2009, 17:41:50
ugliest.
bike.
ever.
 ;)
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 17:44:26
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ugliest.
bike.
ever.
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most comfortable.

huge range.

huge storage.

Did i mention is was soooo comfy?
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Post by: TheBoy on 10 September 2009, 17:44:48
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It is on that heap of crock

Its only cause your a short ass and would not be able to reach the gear selector  ::)
I have (a small amount of) pride left, I wouldn't want to be seen on one...
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: TheBoy on 10 September 2009, 17:45:33
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ugliest.
bike.
ever.
 ;)

most comfortable.

huge range.

huge storage.

Did i mention is was soooo comfy?
You've ridden about 3 bikes in your lifetime.  If you still feel the same in 2yrs, then go for it.
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: albitz on 10 September 2009, 17:57:39
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ugliest.
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most ugly

huge ugliness

hugely ugly

Did i mention is was soooo ugly?

Your getting the idea Tunnie, :y :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 10 September 2009, 18:06:17
£10,000 for a bike from a house deposit fund that earns interest on a bike that will allways depreciate, and for what, your second bike, why a bike that costs 10K? when a bike costing 5K will do the same job.

nicked or dropped or resale it will never be worth £10,000
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 18:08:03
I want something that eats the miles up. Given my height a lot of bikes are too small.
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: HolyCount on 10 September 2009, 18:42:04
I would say ... if you want to spend 10K on a bike, go for it. 'Tis your hard earned after all. However, the advice above is still valid.

I am not at all knowledgable about bikes ( but won't let that stop me!) .... that is one butt ugly machine  ::) ..... with that budget, there must be better !!!

But 'tis your choice, not ours  :)
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: STMO999 on 10 September 2009, 19:00:00
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To spend 10k on a bike  ::)

Yes. Buy a car.
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 19:56:51
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To spend 10k on a bike  ::)

Yes. Buy a car.

Show me a car that does 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, does 50mpg, comfy as a range rover, and can go off road? For 10k  ;)

Worked out i would need about 7k on Fiance, i might actually be able to make a profit on my current bike  ;D

Despite my reputation here for being a student, i work hard for my money. I did not do well at school my highest grade was a C in Business Studies.

I now earn £250 a day, and got a possible second contract at £320 a day. So quite chuffed about things at the moment.

I don't spend my money, I don't go out clubbing / drinking, i don't smoke, and don't waste my money in a pub.

With my new job at Sky starting soon, this will be a little present to myself. I will be able to use to to commute as well. (something i can't do with my current bike)

Father Tunnie works in the Isle of Man and has an apartment out there, with my 3 days on 3 days off rota at Sky, i fancy taking a ride up there and going around the mountain roads.  Also thinking of working longer stints in a row, and maybe riding to places like Norway. Benefit of the GS is the huge storage, which would allow me to go camping while touring on it.
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Post by: albitz on 10 September 2009, 20:03:09
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To spend 10k on a bike  ::)

Yes. Buy a car.

Show me a car that does 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, does 50mpg, comfy as a range rover, and can go off road? For 10k  ;)

Worked out i would need about 7k on Fiance, i might actually be able to make a profit on my current bike  ;D

Despite my reputation here for being a student, i work hard for my money. I did not do well at school my highest grade was a C in Business Studies.

I now earn £250 a day, and got a possible second contract at £320 a day. So quite chuffed about things at the moment.

I don't spend my money, I don't go out clubbing / drinking, i don't smoke, and don't waste my money in a pub.

With my new job at Sky starting soon, this will be a little present to myself. I will be able to use to to commute as well. (something i can't do with my current bike)

Father Tunnie works in the Isle of Man and has an apartment out there, with my 3 days on 3 days off rota at Sky, i fancy taking a ride up there and going around the mountain roads.  Also thinking of working longer stints in a row, and maybe riding to places like Norway. Benefit of the GS is the huge storage, which would allow me to go camping while touring on it.
Stay in a hotel ya tight sod! :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: feeutfo on 10 September 2009, 20:04:29
that lump is pre war design. Would never ever buy a bike through a dealer, ever. Massive mark up.
Use them for info, test rides, what ever, then buy what you want privately.

While i see your points re size and range, its not that vital to match the bike to your inside leg, you do need a good foot on the ground to save dropping the bugger.

To answer your Q, not just wrong. Thats an obscene amount of money mate. Seriously. Esp when you consider what its based on.
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 20:10:50
facelift Omegas are based on carlton / senator... they turned out alright!

Usually i would not go to a dealer, but the BMW warranty's are very impressive.
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: dalyoftelford on 10 September 2009, 20:11:59
Good choice mate ... Enjoy it !

Id spend 10k on that all day long ( Mine was £9750)

Have fun mate !!

I can highly recomend island hoping in the western isles onthe BM  ;D!!

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: albitz on 10 September 2009, 20:12:58
I would beg to differ,I remain convinced that the Senator was a much better car,just a shame they didnt rustproof it.
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 20:16:08
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Good choice mate ... Enjoy it !

Id spend 10k on that all day long ( Mine was £9750)

Have fun mate !!

I can highly recomend island hoping in the western isles onthe BM  ;D!!

Cheers

Paul

Wow some that actually like the GS  ;D
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: Dr_X on 10 September 2009, 20:16:41
I must have spent 10k already this year on me and my two sons racing motorbikes...its always worth it when bikes are involved.

Have you considered selling a family member to fund the BM..... ;D
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 20:22:18
not needed  ;D

7k on fiance works out at about £220 a month, so just over 2.6k a year to pay back, over 3 years. Which is very affordable.
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 10 September 2009, 20:24:11
At the end of the day I reckon you have allredy decided you are buying the bike. So my question is now this.  Why take on 70% of it on finance when you allready have the cash in savings.  Only reason I can see isa taxable benifit, but then you can only claim the work mileage in benfits/costs etc.  At the end of the daay, if no benifit tax wise then why let the finance company make money from you?
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 20:24:14
2008 FJR is same money as the Adventure, BMW does not look that expensive now!

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/bikes/YAMAHA+FJR/Ne-2-4-7-8-27-64-104-133-146-236,N-17-239-4294960941-4294967155/advert.action?R=200934340483071&distance=121&postcode=NN29+7NR&channel=BIKES&make=YAMAHA&model=FJR&min_pr=4000&max_pr=&max_mileage=&vehicleYearOfManufacture=2008&vehicleRegLetter=08
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 20:26:19
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At the end of the day I eckon you have allredy decided you are buying the bike. So my question is now this.  Why take on 70% of it on finance when you allready have the cash in savings.  Only reason I can see isa taxable benifit, but then you can only claim the work mileage in benfits/costs etc.  At the end of the daay, if no benifit tax wise then why let the finance company make money from you?

To spread the cost, i will continue to build my house deposit fund. With Sky i get to expense all travel costs, so i won't actually be spending much of my pay cheque, so it makes it very affordable.

Costs about £960 for the loan over the 3 years which is not too bad i think.
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 10 September 2009, 20:26:34
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2008 FJR is same money as the Adventure, BMW does not look that expensive now!

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/bikes/YAMAHA+FJR/Ne-2-4-7-8-27-64-104-133-146-236,N-17-239-4294960941-4294967155/advert.action?R=200934340483071&distance=121&postcode=NN29+7NR&channel=BIKES&make=YAMAHA&model=FJR&min_pr=4000&max_pr=&max_mileage=&vehicleYearOfManufacture=2008&vehicleRegLetter=08


Far better looking bike and a year younger.
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: TheBoy on 10 September 2009, 20:32:46
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At the end of the day I eckon you have allredy decided you are buying the bike. So my question is now this.  Why take on 70% of it on finance when you allready have the cash in savings.  Only reason I can see isa taxable benifit, but then you can only claim the work mileage in benfits/costs etc.  At the end of the daay, if no benifit tax wise then why let the finance company make money from you?

To spread the cost, i will continue to build my house deposit fund. With Sky i get to expense all travel costs, so i won't actually be spending much of my pay cheque, so it makes it very affordable.

Costs about £960 for the loan over the 3 years which is not too bad i think.
so use the car (which you will until spring anyway - bikes soon suffer if used in winter, assuming you can handle the cold and a big top heavy bike in the poor weather
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 20:34:17
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2008 FJR is same money as the Adventure, BMW does not look that expensive now!

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/bikes/YAMAHA+FJR/Ne-2-4-7-8-27-64-104-133-146-236,N-17-239-4294960941-4294967155/advert.action?R=200934340483071&distance=121&postcode=NN29+7NR&channel=BIKES&make=YAMAHA&model=FJR&min_pr=4000&max_pr=&max_mileage=&vehicleYearOfManufacture=2008&vehicleRegLetter=08


Far better looking bike and a year younger.

I actually prefer the looks of the GS, has more presence. You see it comming down the road, FJR blends in with every other bike.
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 20:35:15
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At the end of the day I eckon you have allredy decided you are buying the bike. So my question is now this.  Why take on 70% of it on finance when you allready have the cash in savings.  Only reason I can see isa taxable benifit, but then you can only claim the work mileage in benfits/costs etc.  At the end of the daay, if no benifit tax wise then why let the finance company make money from you?

To spread the cost, i will continue to build my house deposit fund. With Sky i get to expense all travel costs, so i won't actually be spending much of my pay cheque, so it makes it very affordable.

Costs about £960 for the loan over the 3 years which is not too bad i think.
so use the car (which you will until spring anyway - bikes soon suffer if used in winter, assuming you can handle the cold and a big top heavy bike in the poor weather

It did'nt feel top heavy at-all, i was even filtering at speeds of less than 5mph, with my feet on the pegs.

Have you actually ridden one?
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: Dr_X on 10 September 2009, 20:37:22
Why BM in my experience you are either a bm man or not...my mate had an R8 for years i couldn't imagine him on anything other than a BM, i wouldn't own a BM in a million years.
Why are you up for one???
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 20:43:15
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Why BM in my experience you are either a bm man or not...my mate had an R8 for years i couldn't imagine him on anything other than a BM, i wouldn't own a BM in a million years.
Why are you up for one???

They are big, comfy, eat the miles, fast, go any ware. Most bikes feel like monkey bikes for me, the Adventure just felt right in so many ways!
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: feeutfo on 10 September 2009, 20:46:55
dealer is without doubt THE most expensive way of buying a bike, or anything else for that matter.

They will obviously have incentives, any warranty claim is always hard work to get sorted, and guarantee you will want something else by the time it runs out. So not worth buying in the first place. And if its that old a design it should be well sorted by now.

Its hard if your heart is set on something to say no. But having made your mind up. Take the opposite view and look at reasons why not to buy it. If you still have the same answer at the end fair enough imho.

 But ffs dont spend that amount on it. Its your cash mate, and i actually quite like the look. But like the dealers its all ancentive, when you get down to it, money for old rope, and they know it. Hence their presence in wsb perhaps? What comes of that should be very interesting, but not of your taste i guess.

If you ride one, look down, youll see the cylinders are not in line due to the crank pin offset, obviously, but made me laugh i can tell you, and when you blip the throttle you can feel the bike move to one side due to engine rotation. Days of steam.....almost.
Oh and of course the cylinder heads for crash bungs.
 

Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: Omegatoy on 10 September 2009, 20:49:07
first off your money your choice!!
2nd, they are a cracking bike to ride,
comfy reliable mile muncher
 good reliability
easy to service at home
parts availability excellent and easy to get hold of
if a bit pricey from stealers, but loads of specialist at around half the price of the stealer
one reservation from me though
have you got any insurance quotes yet? given your age and experience it may be a bit pricey?
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: Dr_X on 10 September 2009, 20:50:18
I didn't catch how tall you are but i guess 6.5 or there abouts and have been racking my brain for something big and i just couldn't think of anything, trouble is bikes are just getting smaller and smaller every year.
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: Darth Loo-knee on 10 September 2009, 20:57:43
I would if I had the money but wouldn't buy that bike personally  :)
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: TheBoy on 10 September 2009, 21:04:50
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At the end of the day I eckon you have allredy decided you are buying the bike. So my question is now this.  Why take on 70% of it on finance when you allready have the cash in savings.  Only reason I can see isa taxable benifit, but then you can only claim the work mileage in benfits/costs etc.  At the end of the daay, if no benifit tax wise then why let the finance company make money from you?

To spread the cost, i will continue to build my house deposit fund. With Sky i get to expense all travel costs, so i won't actually be spending much of my pay cheque, so it makes it very affordable.

Costs about £960 for the loan over the 3 years which is not too bad i think.
so use the car (which you will until spring anyway - bikes soon suffer if used in winter, assuming you can handle the cold and a big top heavy bike in the poor weather

It did'nt feel top heavy at-all, i was even filtering at speeds of less than 5mph, with my feet on the pegs.

Have you actually ridden one?
One of the big boxer style beemers, yes. Not sure if it was that particular model  :-[

You should be able to ride any bike at 4mph with ease - that, if you recall, should have been part of your CBT ;)
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: albitz on 10 September 2009, 21:08:43
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I would if I had the money but wouldn't buy that bike personally,I would buy another 25 fizzies  :)

what are you like? ::)
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 10 September 2009, 21:14:08
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not needed  ;D

7k on fiance works out at about £220 a month, so just over 2.6k a year to pay back, over 3 years. Which is very affordable.

* may be affordable but you pay the total anyway..

* in the long term this payments will effect your life..

* yeah it may be really fast but this means more danger..

* I agree with STMO, go buy a car..
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 21:21:05
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first off your money your choice!!
2nd, they are a cracking bike to ride,
comfy reliable mile muncher
 good reliability
easy to service at home
parts availability excellent and easy to get hold of
if a bit pricey from stealers, but loads of specialist at around half the price of the stealer
one reservation from me though
have you got any insurance quotes yet? given your age and experience it may be a bit pricey?

If i wait like a good boy and let me gain 1 years NCB, it will be very little to change, maybe £50 a year more  :o

Agree about riding it, sooo much fun!

@chris - yes dealers are expensive, but reading the GS forums, there have been nothing but praise for the BMW warrenty, can't speak of cars, but people who had shaft drive failures or fuel pumps go have them replaced without question. Even someone who never checked their oil and a gearbox seal went, had a whole new engine and box on warrenty!

Also looking on Autotrader, the markup at the dealers is not that much, maybe around £500-1k.\

Dr X - I am 6ft4  ;)

Cem - Show me a car, that does 50mpg, 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, goes off road, and is really comfy for 10k?
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 10 September 2009, 21:29:35
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first off your money your choice!!
2nd, they are a cracking bike to ride,
comfy reliable mile muncher
 good reliability
easy to service at home
parts availability excellent and easy to get hold of
if a bit pricey from stealers, but loads of specialist at around half the price of the stealer
one reservation from me though
have you got any insurance quotes yet? given your age and experience it may be a bit pricey?

If i wait like a good boy and let me gain 1 years NCB, it will be very little to change, maybe £50 a year more  :o

Agree about riding it, sooo much fun!

@chris - yes dealers are expensive, but reading the GS forums, there have been nothing but praise for the BMW warrenty, can't speak of cars, but people who had shaft drive failures or fuel pumps go have them replaced without question. Even someone who never checked their oil and a gearbox seal went, had a whole new engine and box on warrenty!

Also looking on Autotrader, the markup at the dealers is not that much, maybe around £500-1k.\

Dr X - I am 6ft4  ;)

Cem - Show me a car, that does 50mpg, 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, goes off road, and is really comfy for 10k?

Tunnie, if I made a children in my first marriage he/she would be in your age.. And I wish you /them to stay as a single piece in case of an accident..So forget 3.2 seconds and try to live longer.. Sorry.. :-/
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: Martin_1962 on 10 September 2009, 21:32:47
If you are careful you will survive, I had bikes from 16 to 27, was a late starter with cars.
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Post by: Kevin Wood on 10 September 2009, 21:37:58
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Cem - Show me a car, that does 50mpg, 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, goes off road, and is really comfy for 10k?

Diesel Westfield. :y

OK, it doesn't go off road desperately well, but why would you want to?  ;D

Kevin
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Post by: cem_devecioglu on 10 September 2009, 21:42:11
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If you are careful you will survive, I had bikes from 16 to 27, was a late starter with cars.

Sorry Martin but there is no guarantee for that..

Those bikes are for speed.. Nobody buy them to use like a grandma..

They can reach enormous speeds within an eye flicker time.. So I say buy a car and have at least a chance in case of bad.. :-X
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: albitz on 10 September 2009, 21:48:24
W are not here for a long time Cem,we are here for a good time. ;) ;D
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: feeutfo on 10 September 2009, 21:48:48
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first off your money your choice!!
2nd, they are a cracking bike to ride,
comfy reliable mile muncher
 good reliability
easy to service at home
parts availability excellent and easy to get hold of
if a bit pricey from stealers, but loads of specialist at around half the price of the stealer
one reservation from me though
have you got any insurance quotes yet? given your age and experience it may be a bit pricey?

If i wait like a good boy and let me gain 1 years NCB, it will be very little to change, maybe £50 a year more  :o

Agree about riding it, sooo much fun!

@chris - yes dealers are expensive, but reading the GS forums, there have been nothing but praise for the BMW warrenty, can't speak of cars, but people who had shaft drive failures or fuel pumps go have them replaced without question. Even someone who never checked their oil and a gearbox seal went, had a whole new engine and box on warrenty!

Also looking on Autotrader, the markup at the dealers is not that much, maybe around £500-1k.\

Dr X - I am 6ft4  ;)

Cem - Show me a car, that does 50mpg, 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, goes off road, and is really comfy for 10k?

Tunnie, if I made a children in my first marriage he/she would be in your age.. And I wish you /them to stay as a single piece in case of an accident..So forget 3.2 seconds and try to live longer.. Sorry.. :-/

Very true cem. But a reasoning that has always failed to have any impact on anyone even even remotely interested in bikes.
 Performance is all and your personal safety is lost in the rush and thrill. Add in the fact at least 5 times that amount needs to be spent to match engine performance and the bhp per ton ratio with a car.
There is nothing like it if you have the bike bug. And possibly nothing worse if you dont.

Re the GS Tuns, you make a good argument for it, and seem to have heart set, so maybe the right bike for you, but that price..... Bloody hell.

TB have a chat with him will you. :-)
 





Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 10 September 2009, 21:51:28
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W are not here for a long time Cem,we are here for a good time. ;) ;D

Ok.. have seen some bike accidents.. not on tv or youtube or news..  if you see one closely then you will understand..
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 10 September 2009, 21:53:05
Trust me a meat grinder produces more uniform product :D ;D
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: Mr Skrunts on 10 September 2009, 21:56:01
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Cem - Show me a car, that does 50mpg, 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, goes off road, and is really comfy for 10k?

Diesel Westfield. :y

OK, it doesn't go off road desperately well, but why would you want to?  ;D

Kevin


cant you drive them on a grass car park then, thats off road.   ::)
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: albitz on 10 September 2009, 21:56:02
Been there and done it Cem.Right leg is Fubared,had lots of surgery,need a new knee now.Left kidney also furbared,small fractures to spine etc etc............didnt stop me though. ;)
As Chris says,once youve got the bug,Mrs Albs says im far to old to be riding them but I still love bikes,always have ,always will.
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Post by: cem_devecioglu on 10 September 2009, 21:59:36
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Been there and done it Cem.Right leg is Fubared,had lots of surgery,need a new knee now.Left kidney also furbared,small fractures to spine etc etc............didnt stop me though. ;)
As Chris says,once youve got the bug,Mrs Albs says im far to old to be riding them but I still love bikes,always have ,always will.


I understand you.. But not everyone may be "lucky" as you ;D :y
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: albitz on 10 September 2009, 22:07:56
your stretching the definition of lucky a bit Cem. ;D ;D
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 22:08:09
Cheers all.

Maybe i should just get a Monaro, they are not much more  ;D

Hummm:

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/VAUXHALL+MONARO/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146-236,N-240-4294957908-4294966947/advert.action?R=200935340922959&distance=97&postcode=NN29+7NR&channel=CARS&make=VAUXHALL&model=MONARO&min_pr=&max_pr=&max_mileage=&vehicleYearOfManufacture=2005&vehicleRegLetter=05

Chris - For me the bike just fitted, some like Harleys, i personally hated it. Some like R1's or ZX10's  ::) They don't really do it for me. I want to be nice and comfy, with some good grunt to go with it, with nice up-right riding position, and without insane power.

Might try a FJR anyway at the weekend, never actually ridden a sports tourer.

Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: albitz on 10 September 2009, 22:10:10
Out of curiosity Tunnie,whats the BHP of the beemer? :-/
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: feeutfo on 10 September 2009, 22:10:11
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W are not here for a long time Cem,we are here for a good time. ;) ;D

Ok.. have seen some bike accidents.. not on tv or youtube or news..  if you see one closely then you will understand..

Deliberately tried to expose myself to the results of bike accidents on the road and track. Having a closer look at the isle of man when the inevitable happened, several happened under my nose and in my mirrors. All in an attempt to see sense and calm down and be responsible. Failed. Had my fair share as well. Made no odds. Not brave or clever to be clear, idiotic in fact.

 Did give up road riding in the end, now track only, where an ambulance waits and all traffic is going the same way with some run off and nothing too solid except the ground to hit.

Cant explane it, if you have the bug, there is little you can do. If i had kids, i would only allow track riding.....where possible. Keep the risk to a minimum, although they will come off more often.
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: TheBoy on 10 September 2009, 22:14:58
try a few miles on the zx10. I know it doesn't float your boat, and your weakling wrists will suffer, but it will give you an idea of proper bikes (wrt ridability/performance) - I'm guessing the beemer is the first 'big' bike you've ridden ;)

zx10 is 20yrs old, technology has moved on, and its certainly not the best handling bike, and stopping it is, errr, 20yr old technology ::). But it will hopefully give you another angle of experience.
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 10 September 2009, 22:15:33
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W are not here for a long time Cem,we are here for a good time. ;) ;D

Ok.. have seen some bike accidents.. not on tv or youtube or news..  if you see one closely then you will understand..

Deliberately tried to expose myself to the results of bike accidents on the road and track. Having a closer look at the isle of man when the inevitable happened, several happened under my nose and in my mirrors. All in an attempt to see sense and calm down and be responsible. Failed. Had my fair share as well. Made no odds. Not brave or clever to be clear, idiotic in fact.

 Did give up road riding in the end, now track only, where an ambulance waits and all traffic is going the same way with some run off and nothing too solid except the ground to hit.

Cant explane it, if you have the bug, there is little you can do. If i had kids, i would only allow track riding.....where possible. Keep the risk to a minimum, although they will come off more often.

yep..thats ok.. no cars or trucks around you (meat grinders) .. no deadly obstacles..  Even I can try that.. :y
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 22:15:57
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Out of curiosity Tunnie,whats the BHP of the beemer? :-/

About 105 ish i think, but its more about torque really, in 5th (has 6 gears) it just pulls and pulls. For over takes i never had to click it down to get some power going, just twist and go, any speed, any gear and it was off!
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: albitz on 10 September 2009, 22:19:14
TBH mate thats pretty tame for a bike that size.for a 10k bike I would want a lot more potential performance.But at the end of the day its each to their own. :y
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Post by: TheBoy on 10 September 2009, 22:19:26
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Out of curiosity Tunnie,whats the BHP of the beemer? :-/

About 105 ish i think, but its more about torque really, in 5th (has 6 gears) it just pulls and pulls. For over takes i never had to click it down to get some power going, just twist and go, any speed, any gear and it was off!
Thats appalling.

Any 750cc or higher will easily have the same 'chuck it in 5th and leave it' lazy ridability.  A lot of the 600cc 4cyl can manage that now.
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Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 22:21:22
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Out of curiosity Tunnie,whats the BHP of the beemer? :-/

About 105 ish i think, but its more about torque really, in 5th (has 6 gears) it just pulls and pulls. For over takes i never had to click it down to get some power going, just twist and go, any speed, any gear and it was off!
Thats appalling.

Any 750cc or higher will easily have the same 'chuck it in 5th and leave it' lazy ridability.  A lot of the 600cc 4cyl can manage that now.

Yeah but 600cc bikes are too small!
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: albitz on 10 September 2009, 22:22:14
4cyl 600,s are now in the 120bhp+ region,mines 10 years old and it has just over 100. :y
TB your comment about the zx10 brakes brought back memories of my old gpz750 brakes,best way to stop was to put your feet down  ::) ;D ;D.........plenty of forward planning required. :y
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Post by: albitz on 10 September 2009, 22:24:23
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Out of curiosity Tunnie,whats the BHP of the beemer? :-/

About 105 ish i think, but its more about torque really, in 5th (has 6 gears) it just pulls and pulls. For over takes i never had to click it down to get some power going, just twist and go, any speed, any gear and it was off!
Thats appalling.

Any 750cc or higher will easily have the same 'chuck it in 5th and leave it' lazy ridability.  A lot of the 600cc 4cyl can manage that now.

Yeah but 600cc bikes are too small!
If your after torque,I would look at something like the Aprillia Tuono,big Vtwin,can pull up tree stumps. :y :)
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 10 September 2009, 22:24:29
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4cyl 600,s are now in the 120bhp+ region,mines 10 years old and it has just over 100. :y
TB your comment about the zx10 brakes brought back memories of my old gpz750 brakes,best way to stop was to put your feet down  ::) ;D ;D.........plenty of forward planning required. :y

BMW had an anti dive feature, found that very good.

When was playing with the onboard computer looking ahead, the traffic stopped faster than i thought. Very stable under heavy braking.
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Post by: TheBoy on 10 September 2009, 22:24:31
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4cyl 600,s are now in the 120bhp+ region,mines 10 years old and it has just over 100. :y
TB your comment about the zx10 brakes brought back memories of my old gpz750 brakes,best way to stop was to put your feet down  ::) ;D ;D.........plenty of forward planning required. :y
They are shite, compounded by shite front suspension ;D
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Post by: TheBoy on 10 September 2009, 22:25:28
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Out of curiosity Tunnie,whats the BHP of the beemer? :-/

About 105 ish i think, but its more about torque really, in 5th (has 6 gears) it just pulls and pulls. For over takes i never had to click it down to get some power going, just twist and go, any speed, any gear and it was off!
Thats appalling.

Any 750cc or higher will easily have the same 'chuck it in 5th and leave it' lazy ridability.  A lot of the 600cc 4cyl can manage that now.

Yeah but 600cc bikes are too small!
If your after torque,I would look at something like the Aprillia Tuono,big Vtwin,can pull up tree stumps. :y :)
Yam vmax isn't shy with low down grunt either...
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: albitz on 10 September 2009, 22:26:33
what front suspension????????........mine had a valve to pump the suspension up with an airline,worked well for about a mile and then you could see it go back down. ;D
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: tunnie on 11 September 2009, 07:56:39
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try a few miles on the zx10. I know it doesn't float your boat, and your weakling wrists will suffer, but it will give you an idea of proper bikes (wrt ridability/performance) - I'm guessing the beemer is the first 'big' bike you've ridden ;)

zx10 is 20yrs old, technology has moved on, and its certainly not the best handling bike, and stopping it is, errr, 20yr old technology ::). But it will hopefully give you another angle of experience.

Will double check my insurance. Think I can ride other bikes with 3rd party cover
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Post by: TheBoy on 11 September 2009, 09:03:45
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try a few miles on the zx10. I know it doesn't float your boat, and your weakling wrists will suffer, but it will give you an idea of proper bikes (wrt ridability/performance) - I'm guessing the beemer is the first 'big' bike you've ridden ;)

zx10 is 20yrs old, technology has moved on, and its certainly not the best handling bike, and stopping it is, errr, 20yr old technology ::). But it will hopefully give you another angle of experience.

Will double check my insurance. Think I can ride other bikes with 3rd party cover
Yes, check the policy, as bike insurance often do not have that clause on automatically, unlike fully comp car policies.

Obviously, if you drop it, you'll be polishing out the scratches ;D
Title: Re: is it wrong...
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 11 September 2009, 09:09:00
Given how long you have been riding bikes for, I would say yes.

There is a high probability that at some point soon you will have your first near miss, dropped bike etc.........and you dont want to do that on an expensive bike.

Wait a few years until your a compitent rider and not the rookey you are today!

And yes, that is one butt ugly bike.......and we all know BMW owners are cocks  ;D
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Post by: cem_devecioglu on 11 September 2009, 09:12:22
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Given how long you have been riding bikes for, I would say yes.

There is a high probability that at some point soon you will have your first near miss, dropped bike etc.........and you dont want to do that on an expensive bike.

Wait a few years until your a compitent rider and not the rookey you are today!

And yes, that is one butt ugly bike.......and we all know BMW owners are cocks  ;D

personally I would prefer to be a rich coc+k instead of  being poor ;D :y
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Post by: tunnie on 11 September 2009, 10:07:51
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try a few miles on the zx10. I know it doesn't float your boat, and your weakling wrists will suffer, but it will give you an idea of proper bikes (wrt ridability/performance) - I'm guessing the beemer is the first 'big' bike you've ridden ;)

zx10 is 20yrs old, technology has moved on, and its certainly not the best handling bike, and stopping it is, errr, 20yr old technology ::). But it will hopefully give you another angle of experience.

Will double check my insurance. Think I can ride other bikes with 3rd party cover
Yes, check the policy, as bike insurance often do not have that clause on automatically, unlike fully comp car policies.

Obviously, if you drop it, you'll be polishing out the scratches ;D

If i crash it, its only worth a tenner anyway  ;D