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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Banjax on 22 October 2009, 09:19:59
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cost of me sending a card to the Highlands is 39p
checked with tnt - cheapest was £18
god help us if we lose the Royal Mail - it's a public service that should be heavily subsidised.
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i think Royal mail are doing the right thing by getting all these temp staff in, let the others have their strike, but let the post office continue as normal as possible.
When was the last time someone who works at Tesco went on strike? Or Sky for that matter.
If i was in charge there, i would sack everyone who did not turn up for work today. There are almost 2 million people out of work at the moment, sure most of them would like the job!
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cost of me sending a card to the Highlands is 39p
checked with tnt - cheapest was £18
god help us if we lose the Royal Mail - it's a public service that should be heavily subsidised.
The government don't seem to want to do it any favours either. They just seem to be content in wanting to sell the profitable bits off to whoever. It should be those profitable bits that allow your post card to get to the extremes of the country for 39 pence. >:(
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If i was in charge there, i would sack everyone who did not turn up for work today.........
You're still young & have a lot to learn though.
..... There are almost 2 million people out of work at the moment, sure most of them would like the job!
And there's a lot of that 2 million who have no intention of working even if given a job ...... but that's another arguement.
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If i was in charge there, i would sack everyone who did not turn up for work today.........
You're still young & have a lot to learn though.
..... There are almost 2 million people out of work at the moment, sure most of them would like the job!
And there's a lot of that 2 million who have no intention of working even if given a job ...... but that's another arguement.
Am I right in thinking some countries make people on benifit do some sort of community work for their money? It sounds like a good idea to me.
I dont see how the strikes are going to get the postal workers anywhere.
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If i was in charge there, i would sack everyone who did not turn up for work today. There are almost 2 million people out of work at the moment, sure most of them would like the job!
You're still young & have a lot to learn though.
Maybe, but Royal Mail had 30,000 temp positions to fill. (double what they normally take on)
85,000 applied.
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If i was in charge there, i would sack everyone who did not turn up for work today.........
You're still young & have a lot to learn though.
..... There are almost 2 million people out of work at the moment, sure most of them would like the job!
And there's a lot of that 2 million who have no intention of working even if given a job ...... but that's another arguement.
Am I right in thinking some countries make people on benifit do some sort of community work for their money? It sounds like a good idea to me.
I dont see how the strikes are going to get the postal workers anywhere.
you want mail delivered by someone with no money being forced to do it against their will? that'd be secure ;D
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cost of me sending a card to the Highlands is 39p
checked with tnt - cheapest was £18
god help us if we lose the Royal Mail - it's a public service that should be heavily subsidised.
Buy a pigeon ;)
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Daughters not pleased, she had to be up at silly oclock to police the picket line ;D
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Maybe, but Royal Mail had 30,000 temp positions to fill. (double what they normally take on)
85,000 applied.
That just leaves 1 945 000 ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)
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Daughters not pleased, she had to be up at silly oclock to police the picket line ;D
tell her to just think about the over time ;) ;) ;D
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Maybe, but Royal Mail had 30,000 temp positions to fill. (double what they normally take on)
85,000 applied.
That just leaves 1 945 000 ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)
True... but it still shows the amount of people wanting the jobs, 85k to 30k jobs? People want them, so sack the strikers and get them in, problem solved.
Royal mail needs to stream line awayway, if they continue Royal Mail will go the same way as Rover.
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Daughters not pleased, she had to be up at silly oclock to police the picket line ;D
tell her to just think about the over time ;) ;) ;D
The first so many hours are for her majasty and the rest is hours owed ::)
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The first so many hours are for her majasty and the rest is hours owed ::)
Oh well! At least she can reflect on her days off that she did her bit for Queen & country! ::) ::) ::)
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Maybe, but Royal Mail had 30,000 temp positions to fill. (double what they normally take on)
85,000 applied.
That just leaves 1 945 000 ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)
True... but it still shows the amount of people wanting the jobs, 85k to 30k jobs? People want them, so sack the strikers and get them in, problem solved.
Royal mail needs to stream line awayway, if they continue Royal Mail will go the same way as Rover.
Just imagine the country if Tunnie was prime Minister. ::)
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Maybe, but Royal Mail had 30,000 temp positions to fill. (double what they normally take on)
85,000 applied.
That just leaves 1 945 000 ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)
True... but it still shows the amount of people wanting the jobs, 85k to 30k jobs? People want them, so sack the strikers and get them in, problem solved.
Royal mail needs to stream line awayway, if they continue Royal Mail will go the same way as Rover.
streamline - translation - less staff, poorer service but it sounds good :o
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Maybe, but Royal Mail had 30,000 temp positions to fill. (double what they normally take on)
85,000 applied.
That just leaves 1 945 000 ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)
True... but it still shows the amount of people wanting the jobs, 85k to 30k jobs? People want them, so sack the strikers and get them in, problem solved.
Royal mail needs to stream line awayway, if they continue Royal Mail will go the same way as Rover.
Just imagine the country if Tunnie was prime Minister. ::)
Lets face it could not do any worse that what we have now ;D
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Lets face it could not do any worse that what we have now ;D
How about I give you 39 pence to deliver a letter for me? I'd even go as far as 50 pence and give you a few days to do it rather than the next day. ::)
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Lets face it could not do any worse that what we have now ;D
How about I give you 39 pence to deliver a letter for me? I'd even go as far as 50 pence and give you a few days to do it rather than the next day. ::)
I'd rather not, its about £249.50 less than i usually earn in a day ;D
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I'd rather not, its about £249.50 less than i usually earn in a day ;D
But what you earn a day wasn't the issue ...... :-? Most of us could give a monkey's left ......
You said we couldn't get worse than what we have ...... Royal Mail charge you 39p for a letter whether it's going next door or to the little cottage at the end of the high street in Lerwick etc I think that's pretty good. Things could e better I'm sure .... I don't nor have ever worked for RM ..... but what we have at the moment doesn't seem bad to me.
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I'd rather not, its about £249.50 less than i usually earn in a day ;D
But what you earn a day wasn't the issue ...... :-? Most of us could give a monkey's left ......
You said we couldn't get worse than what we have ...... Royal Mail charge you 39p for a letter whether it's going next door or to the little cottage at the end of the high street in Lerwick etc I think that's pretty good. Things could e better I'm sure .... I don't nor have ever worked for RM ..... but what we have at the moment doesn't seem bad to me.
Nothing wrong with the prices, never said there was an issue with them?
The service is fine, never had a problem.
The issue is with the workers stiking, its not going to get them anyware. Made my position clear if i was in charge.
It looks like the goverment backs RM too, changes need to be made, they can't continue the way they are.
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Sure, RM has issues.
BUT the union is abysmally bad, and part of the problem (same union used to cover BT non management). That useless pondlife Mandleson is also a major issue there - he is a corrupt, arrogant, braindead pillock.
RM employees need to reconise that their numbers will shrink - that will happen no matter what. RM mgmt need to realise that american style bully-boy tactics won't work in UK (or Europe) as their are laws in place to prevent them going through with ultimate threats, so pissing off employees for no gain is not constructive.
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The service is fine, never had a problem.
As soon as we get a numerate postman it will be great here, too. ::) Letter can come from as far as lerwick, timbucktoo, etc. to Four Marks and arrives promptly, in perfect condition, on the doormat of a randomly chosen house in the neighbourhood. >:(
Kevin
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I'd rather not, its about £249.50 less than i usually earn in a day ;D
But what you earn a day wasn't the issue ...... :-? Most of us could give a monkey's left ......
You said we couldn't get worse than what we have ...... Royal Mail charge you 39p for a letter whether it's going next door or to the little cottage at the end of the high street in Lerwick etc I think that's pretty good. Things could e better I'm sure .... I don't nor have ever worked for RM ..... but what we have at the moment doesn't seem bad to me.
Nothing wrong with the prices, never said there was an issue with them?
The service is fine, never had a problem.
The issue is with the workers stiking, its not going to get them anyware. Made my position clear if i was in charge.
It looks like the goverment backs RM too, changes need to be made, they can't continue the way they are.
isn't that why they're striking? to halt the degradation of the service? seems to me you take the union bad/management good position as default without looking at what they're striking for - actually we all lose if royal mail push through the changes :y
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I'd rather not, its about £249.50 less than i usually earn in a day ;D
But what you earn a day wasn't the issue ...... :-? Most of us could give a monkey's left ......
You said we couldn't get worse than what we have ...... Royal Mail charge you 39p for a letter whether it's going next door or to the little cottage at the end of the high street in Lerwick etc I think that's pretty good. Things could e better I'm sure .... I don't nor have ever worked for RM ..... but what we have at the moment doesn't seem bad to me.[/quote]
...on balance Andy, those are quite justified comments :y :y
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Sure, RM has issues.
BUT the union is abysmally bad, and part of the problem (same union used to cover BT non management). That useless pondlife Mandleson is also a major issue there - he is a corrupt, arrogant, braindead pillock.
RM employees need to reconise that their numbers will shrink - that will happen no matter what. RM mgmt need to realise that american style bully-boy tactics won't work in UK (or Europe) as their are laws in place to prevent them going through with ultimate threats, so pissing off employees for no gain is not constructive.[/quote]
....agreed for the most part, a healthy dose of realism is necessary all round.
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cost of me sending a card to the Highlands is 39p
checked with tnt - cheapest was £18
god help us if we lose the Royal Mail - it's a public service that should be heavily subsidised.
...a splendid thread bj 8-) :y
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cost of me sending a card to the Highlands is 39p
checked with tnt - cheapest was £18
god help us if we lose the Royal Mail - it's a public service that should be heavily subsidised.
...a splendid thread bj 8-) :y
OK who are you and what have you done with Zulu? >:( ;D ;D ;D
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I do not like the word "strike"...........it implies that most people on"strike"...............are a bunch of lazy.......selfish......greedy.....breakless ......left wing trouble makers......NOT TRUE.
I much prefer the expression "withdrawl of labour"....
EVERYBODY DOES/OR SHOULD HAVE .......the right to withdraw their labour if they feel that they are being unfairly treated....by their employers.
It is action usually taken as a last resort......most people would rather not withdraw their labour.....but sometimes .....it is necessary .....sadly. :-/ :-/ :-/ :y
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I do not like the word "strike"...........it implies that most people on"strike"...............are a bunch of lazy.......selfish......greedy.....breakless ......left wing trouble makers......NOT TRUE.
I much prefer the expression "withdrawl of labour"....
EVERYBODY DOES/OR SHOULD HAVE .......the right to withdraw their labour if they feel that they are being unfairly treated....by their employers.
It is action usually taken as a last resort......most people would rather not withdraw their labour.....but sometimes .....it is necessary .....sadly. :-/ :-/ :-/ :y
Here here!!!!
or is that hear hear!! :-/ :-/ ;D
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I do not like the word "strike"...........it implies that most people on"strike"...............are a bunch of lazy.......selfish......greedy.....breakless ......left wing trouble makers......NOT TRUE.
I much prefer the expression "withdrawl of labour"....
EVERYBODY DOES/OR SHOULD HAVE .......the right to withdraw their labour if they feel that they are being unfairly treated....by their employers.
It is action usually taken as a last resort......most people would rather not withdraw their labour.....but sometimes .....it is necessary .....sadly. :-/ :-/ :-/ :y
reminds when pop songs used to be about stuff
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxMvb9VrzY[/media]
afraid the media has choked debate, now we as a nation grudgingly accept worse terms and conditions longer and more anti-social hours - we're all wandering blindly back to a place where workers had no rights - as optimo rightly says - a withdrawal of labour is a right in a free, democratic society - i hope no-one is driven to it and i'm sure the last thing the postal workers want to do is not work and not get paid, but if more of us looked at the big picture maybe we'd have more sympathy instead of this "i'm alright Jack" attitude that some of our more myopic members seem to have. hopefully we'll get to the bottom of it and the workers and the royal mail can continue - i'm sure we'll find there's blame on both sides and with the notable exceptions of the Independent and Guardian (those bastions of the working class :y) our media seem hellbent on portraying anyone taking industrial action as lazy, selfish and greedy - i for one aren't buying it >:(
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i do know that 2 years ago i was earning the same in 1 day as my mate was getting for 5 days delivering the post.if he didnt start at 5am and finish at 4pm, in the afternoon, for 6 days a week. hes pay wasnt worth a toss. i wouldnt work for it no matter how desperate i was.
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i do know that 2 years ago i was earning the same in 1 day as my mate was getting for 5 days delivering the post.if he didnt start at 5am and finish at 4pm, in the afternoon, for 6 days a week. hes pay wasnt worth a toss. i wouldnt work for it no matter how desperate i was.
My postie mate's Christmas bonus one year was ...........
a sheet of stamps!!! :-? :-? :-? :-? :-?
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If this was a simple matter of them striking for a pay rise or similar,I would be in agreement with Tunnie tbh (had to happen sometime I suppose) ::),but after having watched the union press conference in full yesterday,and listened to the comments o Brown and Mandleson on the subject I am convinced that they are being used as pawns in a political game.
The union leader stated over and over that he wanted to go to ACAS with no preconditions,but the Royal Mail wont go.He also said that in the last couple of days they had been in negotiation with RM managers and had agreement in the room on a settlement ,but the managers had to leave the room to contact more senior people to get the OK.Every time this happened they came back and said "sorry,no deal" and they had to start again from scratch.This is very reminiscent of what happened during the (idiotic) miners strike in the 80,s.Employer and union reached agreement,but the govt.scuppred it.
Brown and Mandelson have been saying publicly that the two sides should go to arbitration,but the union are crying out for arbitration and RM wont go.Brown and mandelson could tell RM management to go to ACAS,but apparently it hasnt occurred to them to do so.
The union negotiators savaged Mandelson yesterday,continually reffered to him as "the minister without responsibility".
My guess is that Mandelson wants the dispute and he wants it to be as damaging as possible,so that he has the excuse to privatise it on the cheap,probably to one of his billionare crooked mates,who he has quite a few of in his contact list. ;)
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To be honest, I dont think Royal Mail should or even needs to be subsidised.
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If this was a simple matter of them striking for a pay rise or similar,I would be in agreement with Tunnie tbh (had to happen sometime I suppose) ::),but after having watched the union press conference in full yesterday,and listened to the comments o Brown and Mandleson on the subject I am convinced that they are being used as pawns in a political game.
The union leader stated over and over that he wanted to go to ACAS with no preconditions,but the Royal Mail wont go.He also said that in the last couple of days they had been in negotiation with RM managers and had agreement in the room on a settlement ,but the managers had to leave the room to contact more senior people to get the OK.Every time this happened they came back and said "sorry,no deal" and they had to start again from scratch.This is very reminiscent of what happened during the (idiotic) miners strike in the 80,s.Employer and union reached agreement,but the govt.scuppred it.
Brown and Mandelson have been saying publicly that the two sides should go to arbitration,but the union are crying out for arbitration and RM wont go.Brown and mandelson could tell RM management to go to ACAS,but apparently it hasnt occurred to them to do so.
The union negotiators savaged Mandelson yesterday,continually reffered to him as "the minister without responsibility".
My guess is that Mandelson wants the dispute and he wants it to be as damaging as possible,so that he has the excuse to privatise it on the cheap,probably to one of his billionare crooked mates,who he has quite a few of in his contact list. ;)
Very very well put! :y :y :y :y
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I do not like the word "strike"...........it implies that most people on"strike"...............are a bunch of lazy.......selfish......greedy.....breakless ......left wing trouble makers......NOT TRUE.
I much prefer the expression "withdrawl of labour"....
EVERYBODY DOES/OR SHOULD HAVE .......the right to withdraw their labour if they feel that they are being unfairly treated....by their employers.
It is action usually taken as a last resort......most people would rather not withdraw their labour.....but sometimes .....it is necessary .....sadly. :-/ :-/ :-/ :y
I agree that workers have the right to withdraw labour in a free country,I also believe that in most circumstances,that in this country of staggeringly high taxation that anyone who takes action which will involve me the taxpayer having to donate more money to their wages or pension funds should be sacked on the spot.BUT,I think this dispute is different,it isnt that simple.The union claim very passionately that they are trying to stop management from taking a suicidal course which will run the service into the ground (the dark hand of Mandelson again?)and that the "modernisation" programme is guaranteed to give the country a much worse service than it has at the moment.
I think their claims should be thouroughly and independently investigated,but I dont suppose for one minute they will be, :(
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The CWU is one of the old-fashioned militant unions, most of which thankfully died out in the 1980s. It is not really interested in making the Post Office work, it merely opposes anything that "management" suggest (especially if they didn't think of it first!).
;) >:(
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Its quite intersting the spin...
The Unions state that more than 50% voted to strike (thier words, not mine).
The actual fact is that less then a third of the members voted to strike.....but just over half who bothered to vote did (i.e. only 2/3rds voted!)
Lies, dam lies and statistics!
The unions say that postal deliveries will get later - well they are already well after 9.00 so what odds does that make to most people (other than maybe buisnesses)
The unions say that the collections will change, well they are already once a day excluding Sudnays so what odds will that make.
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They also say that the changes already made - like cancelling the 2nd delivery - was done by management and not them.Im no great supporter of them,quite the opposite most of the time ,but I do belive that it is a political game of chess rather than a simple case of striking for more money.And ideally a genuine investigation of the grieviances to cut through the spin and bullshit should be carried out.I would imagine that Mandelson and Brown would come out of it as the villians - shock horror,who would have thought it. ::) ;D
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The CWU is one of the old-fashioned militant unions, most of which thankfully died out in the 1980s. It is not really interested in making the Post Office work, it merely opposes anything that "management" suggest (especially if they didn't think of it first!).
;) >:(
some peoples views on this subject today have surprised me, thankfully Nickbat - yours haven't ;D
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Its quite intersting the spin...
The Unions state that more than 50% voted to strike (thier words, not mine).
The actual fact is that less then a third of the members voted to strike.....but just over half who bothered to vote did (i.e. only 2/3rds voted!)
Lies, dam lies and statistics!
The unions say that postal deliveries will get later - well they are already well after 9.00 so what odds does that make to most people (other than maybe buisnesses)
The unions say that the collections will change, well they are already once a day excluding Sudnays so what odds will that make.
if they felt so strongly about not striking they'd have voted accordingly, surely ::)
not voting is also expressing an opinion
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Daughters not pleased, she had to be up at silly oclock to police the Skiver line ;D
Line corrected
There are so many people out of work due to the recession and so many on part time that people in this position feel insulted by the skiving workers.
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A very similar result to every general election. ;) ::)
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Things could be worse.
You could have the Spanish postal system. Infrequent collections from boxes in rural areas and deliveries (to a central point ) in villages once or twice a week tops. Some weeks none at all.
Posting boxes 4 or 5 for a town.
In answer to an earlier posting. Yes some countries do have "community work" for the unemployed as a condition of getting support. It happens in Spain. e.g. Women take elderly people out for walks, get their shopping or accompnay them to the doctors. Men build walls, parks etc for the village. Men and women clear ditches. Can't see that happening in Britain somehow.
As for the postal strike. I think Albs hit the nail on the head. It is political.
At least when it is all slimmed down and uber efficient and people have been been made redundant, some will be able to get a job with TNT or whoever ( on less money of course). The rest can claim dole paid for by the taxes of the few actually working. Working to live or living to work?
Varche
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The CWU is one of the old-fashioned militant unions, most of which thankfully died out in the 1980s. It is not really interested in making the Post Office work, it merely opposes anything that "management" suggest (especially if they didn't think of it first!).
;) >:(
some peoples views on this subject today have surprised me, thankfully Nickbat - yours haven't ;D
Always happy to please, Bannjaax. ;) ;D
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The RM management are rubbish as well, needs sacking.
I have seen some of the last strikes conditions - total rubbish a lot of them, definately business efficiency killers.
They all need their heads banging together management and unions >:( >:(
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I have a way for improving my postman's lot. Allow him to chuck all the unwanted spam in the bin at the sorting office. What's the point of him carrying it if I'm going to bin it unread? 90% of what drops through my letter box is unwanted. I might as well seal the ruddy thing up. >:(
Delivery times and number are irrelevant these days, IMHO. Any urgent communication is done electronically. If it's coming in the post it's either junk, as above, a magazine to which I've subscribed or a bill. I can do without any of those for a day or two!
The world is changing. RM needs to accept that. Neither management, government nor union are going about change in a sensible way, though, hence the mess they're currently in.
Kevin
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I'd rather not, its about £249.50 less than i usually earn in a day ;D
But what you earn a day wasn't the issue ...... :-? Most of us could give a monkey's left ......
You said we couldn't get worse than what we have ...... Royal Mail charge you 39p for a letter whether it's going next door or to the little cottage at the end of the high street in Lerwick etc I think that's pretty good. Things could e better I'm sure .... I don't nor have ever worked for RM ..... but what we have at the moment doesn't seem bad to me.
Course it wasn't. But he likes to mention it now and again anyway. ;D
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I have a way for improving my postman's lot. Allow him to chuck all the unwanted spam in the bin at the sorting office. What's the point of him carrying it if I'm going to bin it unread? 90% of what drops through my letter box is unwanted. I might as well seal the ruddy thing up. >:(
Delivery times and number are irrelevant these days, IMHO. Any urgent communication is done electronically. If it's coming in the post it's either junk, as above, a magazine to which I've subscribed or a bill. I can do without any of those for a day or two!
The world is changing. RM needs to accept that. Neither management, government nor union are going about change in a sensible way, though, hence the mess they're currently in.
Kevin
Well that is Britain for you. Marketing led. You don't get anything like the amount of junk mail that Britain does in other so called civilised countries. To use Nickbats words We ought to "Wake Up"! It is interesting that in our village the only junk mail is exclusively received by the immigrants!
I use the post quite a lot to communicate with elderly(non Internet equipped) relatives in the UK as well as occasional phone calls. I wrote regularly to a dear Uncle, for years, who lived in a nursing home called Grosvenor House on Grosvenor Road. Despite using the correct postcode None of my mails ever arrived. The reason I hadn't put the house number on. No letters were ever returned. I suspect there is no pride in doing a good job anymore. If I was the postman I would have asked and used my noddle. He no doubt would argue that he hadn't time to ask.
V
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Well that is Britain for you. Marketing led. You don't get anything like the amount of junk mail that Britain does in other so called civilised countries. To use Nickbats words We ought to "Wake Up"! It is interesting that in our village the only junk mail is exclusively received by the immigrants!
I use the post quite a lot to communicate with elderly(non Internet equipped) relatives in the UK as well as occasional phone calls. I wrote regularly to a dear Uncle, for years, who lived in a nursing home called Grosvenor House on Grosvenor Road. Despite using the correct postcode None of my mails ever arrived. The reason I hadn't put the house number on. No letters were ever returned. I suspect there is no pride in doing a good job anymore. If I was the postman I would have asked and used my noddle. He no doubt would argue that he hadn't time to ask.
V
.........this inclination is sadly becoming commonplace throughout the workforce in this country. :(
Whilst exercising the grey matter to solve a small problem should be a foregone conclusion, it seems that there are many ‘noddles’ out there devoid of any real content whatsoever.
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its a business decision to return undeliverable items to senders. the millions of "lost" items are normally destroyed because there is no returne address. So called correctly addressed items have wrong numbers on them. who get the blame postmen. just think all make mistakes especially if human. the "new" system being introduced in RM is canadian ans was scrapped by them cos it dosent work. does this say somthing for management. mandleson is obviously iin someones pocket again. should even be allowed in a party that alone government, but weve all seen that they can cheat expenses and are above the law. just another note if goverment have nothing to do with RM as they claim why do they take the profits and why did the only people at RM to get bonuses and rises senior managers
rant over
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Personally I would not advocate anyone to strike, but it is a free Country (So far) and the choice is theirs.
Oh, and nice Avatar Zulu.
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The CWU is one of the old-fashioned militant unions, most of which thankfully died out in the 1980s. It is not really interested in making the Post Office work, it merely opposes anything that "management" suggest (especially if they didn't think of it first!).
;) >:(
some peoples views on this subject today have surprised me, thankfully Nickbat - yours haven't ;D
Always happy to please, Bannjaax. ;) ;D
8-) 8-)
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Am I right in thinking some countries make people on benifit do some sort of community work for their money? It sounds like a good idea to me.
Yes some countries do that, and yes it's a good idea.
The only problem we seem to have with that is the law says if you do any work whatsoever (including unpaid/charity), then you are deemed to be unavailable for work which means no benefits.
All it would take is a simple law amendment, but our guardians are obviously too busy filling in expenses to worry about doing the country any real good.
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Am I right in thinking some countries make people on benifit do some sort of community work for their money? It sounds like a good idea to me.
Yes some countries do that, and yes it's a good idea.
The only problem we seem to have with that is the law says if you do any work whatsoever (including unpaid/charity), then you are deemed to be unavailable for work which means no benefits.
All it would take is a simple law amendment, but our guardians are obviously too busy filling in expenses to worry about doing the country any real good.
at a guess i'd say the UK is more averse to breaking basic human rights than some of our continental cousins (ie ban on forced labour, so maybe 99% would be happy to work, but 1% would take the gov't to the cleaners)
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I can't fault our local delivery people here - mostly get it right (get the odd one for next door), and always try to do something with parcels - try neighbours, hide somewhere etc.
I particularly liked little blondie we had over the summer holidays, but probably not due to her delivery skills ::)