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This is an alleged complaint to Devon & Cornwall Police Force from an angry member of the public
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Dear Sir/Madam/Automated telephone answering service,
Having spent the past twenty minutes waiting for someone at Bodmin police station to pick up a telephone I have decided to abandon the idea and try e-mailing you instead.
Perhaps you would be so kind as to pass this message on to your colleagues in Bodmin, by means of smoke signal, carrier pigeon or Ouija board.
As I'm writing this e-mail there are eleven failed medical experiments (I think you call them youths) in St Mary's Crescent, which is just off St Mary's Road in Bodmin.
Six of them seem happy enough to play a game which involves kicking a football against an iron gate with the force of a meteorite. This causes an earth shattering CLANG! which rings throughout the entire building.
This game is now in its third week and as I am unsure how the scoring system works, I have no idea if it will end any time soon.
The remaining five failed-abortions are happily rummaging through several bags of rubbish and items of furniture that someone has so thoughtfully dumped beside the wheelie bins. One of them has found a saw and is setting about a discarded chair like a beaver on ecstasy pills.
I fear that it's only a matter of time before they turn their limited attention to the caravan gas bottle that is lying on its side between the two bins.
If they could be relied on to only blow their own arms and legs off then I would happily leave them to it. I would even go so far as to lend them the matches.
Unfortunately they are far more likely to blow up half the street with them and I've just finished decorating the kitchen.
What I suggest is this - after replying to this e-mail with worthless assurances that the matter is being looked into and will be dealt with, why not leave it until the one night of the year (probably bath night) when there are no mutants around then drive up the street in a Panda car before doing a three point turn and disappearing again. This will of course serve no other purpose than to remind us what policemen actually look like.
I trust that when I take a claw hammer to the skull of one of these throwbacks you'll do me the same courtesy of giving me a four month head start before coming to arrest me.
I remain your obedient servant
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Mr ??????,
I have read your e-mail and understand your frustration at the problems caused by youths playing in the area and the problems you have encountered in trying to contact the police.
As the Community Beat Officer for your street I would like to extend an offer of discussing the matter fully with you.
Should you wish to discuss the matter, please provide contact details (address / telephone number) and when may be suitable.
Regards
PC ???????
Community Beat Officer
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Dear PC ???????
First of all I would like to thank you for the speedy response to my original e-mail.
16 hours and 38 minutes must be a personal record for Bodmin Police Station, and rest assured that I will forward these details to Norris McWhirter for inclusion in his next Guinness book of records.
Secondly I was delighted to hear that our street has its own Community Beat Officer.
May I be the first to congratulate you on your covert skills? In the five or so years I have lived in St Mary's Crescent , I have never seen you. Do you hide up a tree or have you gone deep undercover and infiltrated the gang itself? Are you the one with the acne and the moustache on his forehead or the one with a chin like a wash hand basin? It's surely only a matter of time before you are head-hunted by MI5 to look for Osama.
Whilst I realise that there may be far more serious crimes taking place in Bodmin, such as smoking in a public place or being Christian without due care and attention, is it too much to ask for a policeman to explain (using words of no more than two syllables at a time) to these idiots that they might want to play their strange football game elsewhere.
The pitch on Fairpark Road , or the one at Priory Park are both within spitting distance as is the bottom of the Par Dock, the latter being the preferred option especially if the tide is in.
Should you wish to discuss these matters further you should feel free to contact me on ?????????. If after 25 minutes I have still failed to answer, I'll buy you a large one in the Cat and Fiddle Pub.
Regards
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P.S If you think that this is sarcasm, think yourself lucky that you don't work for the sewerage department with whom I am also in contact !!!
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D PMSL
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i think that sums it up nicely enough said :y :y :y
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Many a true word............ :D :D :D
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;D ;D but there is a real issue there all the same :y :y
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Very nice mate :y
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i think that hits the nail on the head with the police of today. :)
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AND? did they come out or is he still waiting?
Good one [smiley=evil.gif] [smiley=evil.gif] [smiley=evil.gif]
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Brilliant :y :y :y :y :y ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ;) :)
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seems very accurate to me. Dont know what your all laughing at? :-) hobby bobbys almost as much of a waiste of space as the above mentioned failed abortions. Probably cost more money.....
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Had exactly the same experience when trying to report somebody's stolen money in my bank account. After hanging around Barkingside Police Station, I dropped them a line. Someone did actually get back to me, perhaps they just need to prioritise their limited resources?
Email is still funny though. ;D ;D ;D
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seems very accurate to me. Dont know what your all laughing at? :-) hobby bobbys almost as much of a waiste of space as the above mentioned failed abortions. Probably cost more money.....
JamesV6CDX might beg to differ.. ;) Unless you're talking about PCSOs or whatever they're called rather then special constabulary?
Saw a PCSO getting a mouthful of lip from some chavvy teenage girls and she just backed down and walked away without challenging them.
Does more harm than good having someone wearing the uniform but not furnished with any authority, or trained to be assertive IMHO.
Still, volunteering to give up their free time try and help the situation is more than I'm doing. :-/
Kevin
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Excellent. :y ;D ;D ;D
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seems very accurate to me. Dont know what your all laughing at? :-) hobby bobbys almost as much of a waiste of space as the above mentioned failed abortions. Probably cost more money.....
JamesV6CDX might beg to differ.. ;) Unless you're talking about PCSOs or whatever they're called rather then special constabulary?
Saw a PCSO getting a mouthful of lip from some chavvy teenage girls and she just backed down and walked away without challenging them.
Does more harm than good having someone wearing the uniform but not furnished with any authority, or trained to be assertive IMHO.
Still, volunteering to give up their free time try and help the situation is more than I'm doing. :-/
Kevin
...that's the clincher Kevin :y :y
It's a sop to spin, smoke and mirrors and an attempt to bluff the public that this administration was serious about getting officers onto the streets to tackle crime effectively.
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Very well written.
Made me smile, the scary thing is how true it is.
With regards to PCSO's, I heard a story, not sure how true it is.....
An elderly gentleman was being attacked by a bunch of teens in a park. A woman notices this but also notices 2 PCSO's stood in the bushes taking notes.
Apparently they are not allowed to get involved in such situations and have to wait for the police to get there! The woman ended up ploughing in and sorting it out, whilst the PCSO's took notes.
I am sure the old mans family would love to read how he was beaten to death from well written notes provided by 2 PCSO's, stood there doing nothing useful. Or maybe, they, like me would expect/hope anyone watching such a scene (regardless of job or skill) would break it up.
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Our local beat bobby is excellent, the local cop shop on the other hand, is not.
I have seen more life on the decks of the Mary Celeste than at the reception counter in that place!
And they never do what they promise (which is a tad annoying)
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There was an item on our local news last night about a bloke who had his car nicked.Short version is,he did some research himself as plod didnt seem to be putting much effort in.He found out who nicked it and where it was.He took his spare keys and nicked it back from outside their house.
He told Ipswich plod who they were and where to find them,they didnt even bother paying them a visit.The bloke ,who is a Mr average - law abiding,works for a living,pays taxes etc, - said he has totally lost all faith in the Police.My opinion is that the Police have been so politicised that the people in charge are obsessed with diversity indoctrination,so called hate crime prevention etc,etc, and what we the silent tax paying backbone of the country used to think of as policing is now right at the bottom of the priority list.It needs to change ,and quick. :(
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There was an item on our local news last night about a bloke who had his car nicked.Short version is,he did some research himself as plod didnt seem to be putting much effort in.He found out who nicked it and where it was.He took his spare keys and nicked it back from outside their house.
He told Ipswich plod who they were and where to find them,they didnt even bother paying them a visit.The bloke ,who is a Mr average - law abiding,works for a living,pays taxes etc, - said he has totally lost all faith in the Police.My opinion is that the Police have been so politicised that the people in charge are obsessed with diversity indoctrination,so called hate crime prevention etc,etc, and what we the silent tax paying backbone of the country used to think of as policing is now right at the bottom of the priority list.It needs to change ,and quick. :(
....... and we all know where that'll take us A ;) ;) ;)
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seems very accurate to me. Dont know what your all laughing at? :-) hobby bobbys almost as much of a waiste of space as the above mentioned failed abortions. Probably cost more money.....
Please tell me what experience you have of the Special Constabulary, in order to form such a comment.
Having regular experience of going on duty as a Special Constable (aka Hobby Bobby), I must wholeheartedly disagree with your comments.
Furthermore, I find the way you have worded your post rather offensive.
Apart from our initial training, we as Special Constables don't cost the constabulary anything, in comparison to what they get from us.
We are NOT PAID.
We consistently Police our commuities, week in, week out. Most SCs give a very regular, consistent commitment and are extremely high value for money. (Else, why would constabularies take us on?). I do around 60 hours a month or more.
Please see below just a small amount of press coverage regarding operations and events our team has been involved in. Many of these operations have been entirely run by ourselves.
I encourage you to read them all, and then reconsider your opinion of us.
Also bear in mind that these events, are entirely seperate to the regular patrols and support we regularly do.
Large numbers of warranted police officers, (yes, that's what we are), with full powers of arrest, wearing the same uniform, and carrying the same kit as a full time PC), giving up large amounts of our time to support our communities, for no pay.
When I am removing uninsured cars from the road, preventing violence in the City, helping with drugs raids, helping young people - all unpaid - the satisfaction I get from that far outweights your (not very well informed) comments.
Specials do a full range of Police work. We even have Special Constbales permanently attached to Roads Policing unit. Long gone are the days when SCs were just there "to make up numbers".
We are a very proactive team in our approach, we work with all sections of the Constabulary, and will target whatever issues are necessary, consistently achieving great results.
I am not saying the Police are perfect for one minute - but I'm happy that I'm proactively trying to make a difference, rather than just moan about them and make unnecessary derogitory comments, like many do.
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Recent Special Constabulary Operations in my area:
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/forest/sport/Crackdown-anti-social-behaviour/article-613333-detail/article.html
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/news/Drivers-stopped-police-operation/article-634746-detail/article.html
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/news/Motorists-pulled-police-swoop/article-1082315-detail/article.html
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/news/Operation-Scott-success/article-773343-detail/article.html
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/gloucester/headlines/Children-s-campaign-sparks-police-crackdown/article-1431171-detail/article.html
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/news/Specials-advice-Gloucestershire/article-1303906-detail/article.html
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/stmarks/news/11-13am-arrests-anti-social-behaviour-crackdown/article-189021-detail/article.html
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/bourtononthewater/news/Drugs-Bourton-football-club-raid/article-773325-detail/article.html
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/news/Crackdown-anti-social-behaviour/article-613333-detail/article.html
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/news/Drugs-seized-Cirencester-bar-swoop/article-756774-detail/article.html
http://www.gloucestershire.police.uk/Latest%20News/Press%20Releases/2009/September/item13040.html
http://www.gloucestershire.police.uk/Latest%20News/Press%20Releases/2008/December/item10544.html
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seems very accurate to me. Dont know what your all laughing at? :-) hobby bobbys almost as much of a waiste of space as the above mentioned failed abortions. Probably cost more money.....
When I am removing uninsured cars from the road, preventing violence in the City, helping with drugs raids, helping young people - all unpaid - the satisfaction I get from that far outweights your (not very well informed) comments.
Specials do a full range of Police work. We even have Special Constbales permanently attached to Roads Policing unit. Long gone are the days when SCs were just there "to make up numbers".
I am not saying the Police are perfect for one minute - but I'm happy that I'm proactively trying to make a difference, rather than just moan about them and make unnecessary derogitory comments, like many do.
Do you get to partner pursuit drivers?
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Yes we can do shifts with traffic...
It needs a traffic officer (rather than a PC or SC) to actually issue the 165 notice to take the car off the road...
However if we (without traffic) stop a vehicle, and discover no insurance, we just call up over the airwave for traffic, who will more than happily oblige with the notice....
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Yes we can do shifts with traffic...
It needs a traffic officer (rather than a PC or SC) to actually issue the 165 notice to take the car off the road...
However if we (without traffic) stop a vehicle, and discover no insurance, we just call up over the airwave for traffic, who will more than happily oblige with the notice....
I'd be tempted if i could sit in the passenger seat of pursuit cars, spice up my days off ;D
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I think the problem is James,from the perspective of "the man in the street",public spirited people such as your self who are willing to give up their time and energy to put effort into trying to do some good for their local community should be applauded for doing so.Special constables have been around for a very long time and can be a valuable addition to the full time police.My old Dad was a "special" although in Belfast it was a different kind of special to the rest of the U.K. but the aim was still the same - to try to help maintain law and order.
The problem many of us have these days is that it would appear that full time fully trained police officers are very often conspicuous by their absence on the streets of Britain these days,and it looks like the government is using people like yourself to replace them on the streets as a form of policing on the cheap.With people who have been the victims of crime or seen it at close quarters it causes a lot of anger/frustration and leaves a very bad taste.
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I think the problem is James,from the perspective of "the man in the street",public spirited people such as your self who are willing to give up their time and energy to put effort into trying to do some good for their local community should be applauded for doing so.Special constables have been around for a very long time and can be a valuable addition to the full time police.My old Dad was a "special" although in Belfast it was a different kind of special to the rest of the U.K. but the aim was still the same - to try to help maintain law and order.
The problem many of us have these days is that it would appear that full time fully trained police officers are very often conspicuous by their absence on the streets of Britain these days,and it looks like the government is using people like yourself to replace them on the streets as a form of policing on the cheap.With people who have been the victims of crome or seen it at close quarters it causes a lot of anger/frustration and leaves a very bad taste.
...just a tad different A ::) ;D ;D :y
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it would appear that full time fully trained police officers are very often conspicuous by their absence on the streets of Britain these days,and it looks like the government is using people like yourself to replace them on the streets as a form of policing on the cheap.
I still think this applies more to PCSOs, than Specials.
In the force - we are used as Police officers, and do everything. We are never deployed to do mundane tasks, so PCs can do other things.... we do the range of work.
I agree with much of what you say, but maintain it applies to PCSOs, not SCs.. :y
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it would appear that full time fully trained police officers are very often conspicuous by their absence on the streets of Britain these days,and it looks like the government is using people like yourself to replace them on the streets as a form of policing on the cheap.
I still think this applies more to PCSOs, than Specials.
In the force - we are used as Police officers, and do everything. We are never deployed to do mundane tasks, so PCs can do other things.... we do the range of work.
I agree with much of what you say, but maintain it applies to PCSOs, not SCs.. :y
....I would certainly back James on these points :y
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I would love to know if Chrisgixers comments about Special Constables being failed abortions were actually aimed at PCSOs.... unfortunately he's not answered my above post yet.
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I think the problem is James,from the perspective of "the man in the street",public spirited people such as your self who are willing to give up their time and energy to put effort into trying to do some good for their local community should be applauded for doing so.Special constables have been around for a very long time and can be a valuable addition to the full time police.My old Dad was a "special" although in Belfast it was a different kind of special to the rest of the U.K. but the aim was still the same - to try to help maintain law and order.
The problem many of us have these days is that it would appear that full time fully trained police officers are very often conspicuous by their absence on the streets of Britain these days,and it looks like the government is using people like yourself to replace them on the streets as a form of policing on the cheap.With people who have been the victims of crome or seen it at close quarters it causes a lot of anger/frustration and leaves a very bad taste.
...just a tad different A ::) ;D ;D :y
Different in a 303 rifle or a Sterling sub machine gun kind of way Z. ;) :)
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it would appear that full time fully trained police officers are very often conspicuous by their absence on the streets of Britain these days,and it looks like the government is using people like yourself to replace them on the streets as a form of policing on the cheap.
I still think this applies more to PCSOs, than Specials.
In the force - we are used as Police officers, and do everything. We are never deployed to do mundane tasks, so PCs can do other things.... we do the range of work.
I agree with much of what you say, but maintain it applies to PCSOs, not SCs.. :y
....I would certainly back James on these points :y
I agree, and the term 'Hobby Bobby' has been used affectionately for 'Specials' for many years. I think there is a blurring of the difference hence an increasing number of the public, being misinformed or lack of understanding and referring to pcso's as Hobby Bobby's
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it would appear that full time fully trained police officers are very often conspicuous by their absence on the streets of Britain these days,and it looks like the government is using people like yourself to replace them on the streets as a form of policing on the cheap.
I still think this applies more to PCSOs, than Specials.
In the force - we are used as Police officers, and do everything. We are never deployed to do mundane tasks, so PCs can do other things.... we do the range of work.
I agree with much of what you say, but maintain it applies to PCSOs, not SCs.. :y
....I would certainly back James on these points :y
I agree, and the term 'Hobby Bobby' has been used affectionately for 'Specials' for many years. I think there is a blurring of the difference hence an increasing number of the public, being misinformed or lack of understanding and referring to pcso's as Hobby Bobby's
I'd agree with that Mike.
What I find odd, is that people still get confused to this day. Specials wear exactly the same uniform as full time officers, and have done for a long time, so to the public in the street, they tell no difference.
Although - PCSO's all look very blue... ::)
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I think the problem is James,from the perspective of "the man in the street",public spirited people such as your self who are willing to give up their time and energy to put effort into trying to do some good for their local community should be applauded for doing so.Special constables have been around for a very long time and can be a valuable addition to the full time police.My old Dad was a "special" although in Belfast it was a different kind of special to the rest of the U.K. but the aim was still the same - to try to help maintain law and order.
The problem many of us have these days is that it would appear that full time fully trained police officers are very often conspicuous by their absence on the streets of Britain these days,and it looks like the government is using people like yourself to replace them on the streets as a form of policing on the cheap.With people who have been the victims of crome or seen it at close quarters it causes a lot of anger/frustration and leaves a very bad taste.
...just a tad different A ::) ;D ;D :y
Different in a 303 rifle or a Sterling sub machine gun kind of way Z. ;) :)
;D ;D ;D :y
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Just been speaking to him on the phone.Almost 80,just out of hospital,fell over and knocked himself senseless and black & blue all over.Still talking about a few people he would like to do some damage to..........tough as old boots those old B specials. ::) ;) ;D
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Just been speaking to him on the phone.Almost 80,just out of hospital,fell over and knocked himself senseless and black & blue all over.Still talking about a few people he would like to do some damage to..........tough as old boots those old B specials. ::) ;) ;D
...along with the RUC of course that was a time when real men wore the uniform :y :y
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Absolutely :y......Even if they did drag my teenage arse to court on many occasions. ::) :-X
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PCSOs do have their uses though...in Leominster there is a visible flock of them-and they give you mobile numbers for any problems need dealing with. They are an easy way to get the Police to attend something and have transformed The Grange park by their presence.
I agree getting in touch with Police is difficult out of hours (when most needed!) as stations are closed, helpline phone outside connects 50 miles away, 999 is for emergencies, local non-emergency number only gets answered after 5 minutes and takes them 5 minutes to transfer you-to an answerphone....
PCSOs are a cheap alternative and a useful deterrent if deployed correctly-ours have been very productive.
Perfect policing is impossible within government budgets.
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PCSOs do have their uses though...in Leominster there is a visible flock of them-and they give you mobile numbers for any problems need dealing with. They are an easy way to get the Police to attend something and have transformed The Grange park by their presence.
I agree getting in touch with Police is difficult out of hours (when most needed!) as stations are closed, helpline phone outside connects 50 miles away, 999 is for emergencies, local non-emergency number only gets answered after 5 minutes and takes them 5 minutes to transfer you-to an answerphone....
PCSOs are a cheap alternative and a useful deterrent if deployed correctly-ours have been very productive.
Perfect policing is impossible within government budgets.
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Perfect Policing is impossible full stop, as long as the Police are the only ones doing it! ;)
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I wouldn't want to do it.
My dad was a PC for 29 years and I know first hand how tough it can be and how it never goes away.
It does make me laugh that it is often the jobless crims that complain the most; they could NEVER do the job-especially with all the politics, targets and frequent changes of management each with their own career agenda.
PCSO 18k pa. STUFF THAT!!!! >:(
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want a copper
just do 35 in a 30 or drive a untaxed car and they will be round straight away