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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 02 November 2009, 11:43:08
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I must admit that I hadn't heard about this before.
http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/006757.html
Unbelievable. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Like I keep saying the British people have no will whatsover to physically protest anymore other than to moan about something over a cuppa in the works canteen or in the advert break. If they did take to the streets then these measures would ensure they were crushed and with no legal comeback over injuries or property issues ( bit like in a war scenario).
Anyone who thinks that the next government will change all these laws and taxes that this lot have introduced will be in for a shock. They may change the fox hunting law as that will be a popular move and make everyone think democracy has returned.
V
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Like I keep saying the British people have no will whatsover to physically protest anymore other than to moan about something over a cuppa in the works canteen or in the advert break. If they did take to the streets then these measures would ensure they were crushed and with no legal comeback over injuries or property issues ( bit like in a war scenario).
Anyone who thinks that the next government will change all these laws and taxes that this lot have introduced will be in for a shock. They may change the fox hunting law as that will be a popular move and make everyone think democracy has returned.
V
I'm happy to agree with you V.
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I must admit that I hadn't heard about this before.
http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/006757.html
Unbelievable. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Little by little............................ ;) ;)
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Sounds a bit over the top to me?
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It's our very own 'Patriot Act'----Whooooopeeee!!!!!, bout time, I was getting worried the government in this country might start thinking for itself.
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I'd like to see them "provide for or enable" anything when they've been strung up from a lamp post. >:(
Kevin
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There will be an uprising if they bring this in - and I include the military in this!
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No there wont.I wish there would be ,but there wont be.The stench of complacency and apathy hangs heavy in the air in the UK these days.As long as bore the nation St. and Britians got tedium are still broadcast,no-one will care.
We dont matter any more the opinions of the residents of Notting Hills champagne socia;ists are the only ones which have any influence these days. ;)
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No there wont.I wish there would be ,but there wont be.The stench of complacency and apathy hangs heavy in the air in the UK these days.As long as bore the nation St. and Britians got tedium are still broadcast,no-one will care.
We dont matter any more the opinions of the residents of Notting Hills champagne socia;ists are the only ones which have any influence these days. ;)
Sadly all too true mate :(
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Will a high up army officer order his men to attack British citizens on the orders of the PM or will he think - something wrong here and order a military uprising.
The British military do not swear allegiance to the state but to the crown
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Will a high up army officer order his men to attack British citizens on the orders of the PM or will he think - something wrong here and order a military uprising.
The British military do not swear allegiance to the state but to the crown
That's a good point, Martin. I sadly think civil disorder is becoming increasingly likely and I suspect fear of that lies behind the reason that this bill is being introduced. I would further suspect HM forces to be exactly that...loyal to HM, not to PM. :y
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Will a high up army officer order his men to attack British citizens on the orders of the PM or will he think - something wrong here and order a military uprising.
The British military do not swear allegiance to the state but to the crown
That's a good point, Martin. I sadly think civil disorder is becoming increasingly likely and I suspect fear of that lies behind the reason that this bill is being introduced. I would further suspect HM forces to be exactly that...loyal to HM, not to PM. :y
Well Nick I have had a few family members in the services, all 3 plus merchant navy in the war.
If it gets too much I could see say the military on the public side and not many on the government side.
Personally I think they will use it to try to prevent a general election.
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Will a high up army officer order his men to attack British citizens on the orders of the PM or will he think - something wrong here and order a military uprising.
The British military do not swear allegiance to the state but to the crown
That's a good point, Martin. I sadly think civil disorder is becoming increasingly likely and I suspect fear of that lies behind the reason that this bill is being introduced. I would further suspect HM forces to be exactly that...loyal to HM, not to PM. :y
I think we all know that when military force is used for the furtherance of civil aims the situation rapidly runs out of control.
There is little chance of any form of military intervention in the governance of this country - the numbers are simply not there
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Will a high up army officer order his men to attack British citizens on the orders of the PM or will he think - something wrong here and order a military uprising.
The British military do not swear allegiance to the state but to the crown
That's a good point, Martin. I sadly think civil disorder is becoming increasingly likely and I suspect fear of that lies behind the reason that this bill is being introduced. I would further suspect HM forces to be exactly that...loyal to HM, not to PM. :y
I think we all know that when military force is used for the furtherance of civil aims the situation rapidly runs out of control.
There is little chance of any form of military intervention in the governance of this country - the numbers are simply not there
I bow to your superior knowledge, Zulu, but I'm not convinced that an attempt would not be made. :(
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Will a high up army officer order his men to attack British citizens on the orders of the PM or will he think - something wrong here and order a military uprising.
The British military do not swear allegiance to the state but to the crown
That's a good point, Martin. I sadly think civil disorder is becoming increasingly likely and I suspect fear of that lies behind the reason that this bill is being introduced. I would further suspect HM forces to be exactly that...loyal to HM, not to PM. :y
I think we all know that when military force is used for the furtherance of civil aims the situation rapidly runs out of control.
There is little chance of any form of military intervention in the governance of this country - the numbers are simply not there
I bow to your superior knowledge, Zulu, but I'm not convinced that an attempt would not be made. :(
The frame work to support such a notion has already been assembled but this has its foundations in the civil application of public order control.
The infrastructure to collate and disseminate information concerning those considered to be a threat to the state is now mostly in place.
I would envisage that it will make the Stasi model upon which it was designed - lust for information on movements, intrusive legislation affecting personal freedom, control of media, lack any realistic prospect for objections to be heard and fairly assessed and so on - pale into insignificance.
The Proscriptive State will not require military muscle to quell unrest as there has been more than a sufficient number of toadies, agents and those determined to be on the side of provision and power recruited in the recent past to enable the state to function at will.
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Will a high up army officer order his men to attack British citizens on the orders of the PM or will he think - something wrong here and order a military uprising.
The British military do not swear allegiance to the state but to the crown
That's a good point, Martin. I sadly think civil disorder is becoming increasingly likely and I suspect fear of that lies behind the reason that this bill is being introduced. I would further suspect HM forces to be exactly that...loyal to HM, not to PM. :y
I think we all know that when military force is used for the furtherance of civil aims the situation rapidly runs out of control.
There is little chance of any form of military intervention in the governance of this country - the numbers are simply not there
I bow to your superior knowledge, Zulu, but I'm not convinced that an attempt would not be made. :(
The frame work to support such a notion has already been assembled but this has its foundations in the civil application of public order control.
The infrastructure to collate and disseminate information concerning those considered to be a threat to the state is now mostly in place.
I would envisage that it will make the Stasi model upon which it was designed - lust for information on movements, intrusive legislation affecting personal freedom, control of media, lack any realistic prospect for objections to be heard and fairly assessed and so on - pale into insignificance.
The Proscriptive State will not require military muscle to quell unrest as there has been more than a sufficient number of toadies, agents and those determined to be on the side of provision and power recruited in the recent past to enable the state to function at will.
Depressing, Zulu. But, eventually good will always overcome evil...though at what cost is anyone's guess. :(
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Depressing, Zulu. But, eventually good will always overcome evil...though at what cost is anyone's guess. :(
....there's a long way to go Nick and many people are now beginning to understand that the cost will be substantial and will rue the day they decided to look in the other direction.
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Sounds a bit over the top to me?
Have a look here O, this is an example of how seemingly unconnected events can be amalgamated to form a broad range of proscriptive measures used by the state to further its agenda.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6494213/Climate-change-belief-given-same-legal-status-as-religion.html
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Have a look here O, this is an example of how seemingly unconnected events can be amalgamated to form a broad range of proscriptive measures used by the state to further its agenda.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6494213/Climate-change-belief-given-s...
Well, that's fair enough because it IS a religion, IMHO.
Kevin
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Have a look here O, this is an example of how seemingly unconnected events can be amalgamated to form a broad range of proscriptive measures used by the state to further its agenda.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6494213/Climate-change-belief-given-s...
Well, that's fair enough because it IS a religion, IMHO.
Kevin
:y the question is of course how long will it take for this to become a religion of fundamental ideals - with all that is entailed in that unwelcome development?