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Who else finds Ebay a pain to use now?
Talking about the crazy rule now about offering free P&P in certain categories. Trying to list some mags, only putting them up for starting @ 99p but you have to give free P&P...........not worth it.
Only way around it is add it to the starting price, then I have to start paying extra listing/final value fees, then of course they probably won't sell, thus costing me more.....which idiot thought this one up.
Mick
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i've been banned for the last 7 years but they have started sending me invoices with zero on it for some reason. i have sent some correspondence with some nasty swear words telling them where to go. :)
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Who else finds Ebay a pain to use now?
Talking about the crazy rule now about offering free P&P in certain categories. Trying to list some mags, only putting them up for starting @ 99p but you have to give free P&P...........not worth it.
Only way around it is add it to the starting price, then I have to start paying extra listing/final value fees, then of course they probably won't sell, thus costing me more.....which idiot thought this one up.
Mick
See my earlier comments on this thread:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258471484/new
Ebay >:(
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Who else finds Ebay a pain to use now?
Talking about the crazy rule now about offering free P&P in certain categories. Trying to list some mags, only putting them up for starting @ 99p but you have to give free P&P...........not worth it.
Only way around it is add it to the starting price, then I have to start paying extra listing/final value fees, then of course they probably won't sell, thus costing me more.....which idiot thought this one up.
Mick
See my earlier comments on this thread:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258471484/new
Ebay >:(
Yep read that thread.
Come to the conclusion a while back that ebay only seem to want volume sellers now, business and shops. Can't be arsed with the small timers who just want to get rid a few low cost items, the sellers who put them where they are now!
Mick
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Have to agree with you mick, from a sellers point of view, if you just want to get rid of a few bits it really is a lot of hassle and tbh a carboot is a better option, although from the buyers perspective you can still pick up a lot of good deals price wise using ebay when compared with either "normal" high street retailers or their online outlets. Just makes you wonder how much longer this price difference will last before either ebay or the taxman decide on a bigger cut :(
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I only do bits now as its a lot of hassle; I get a few bits from boot sale and do ok, but only beacuse I only sell collectable or desirable stuff;
Sack of Lego bought on boot for £12 got £78
Transformer Porsche on boot 80p got £20
Tinplate bus on boot £6 got £74
Tried to give away a tatty trampoline left at the house I bought-no-one wanted it, buy ebayers bid £35 and took it away...!!!
Its only worth doing with this margin....ebay can hit the right audience with collectables, but day to day items its not worth the hassle anymore.
What made ebay is now irrelevant to them-us little sellers...
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Have to say that just lately I don't see that many bargins as there was on there a few years ago. And some people are selling stuff at the same as it would cost you at the shops !.
There was a revolt when sellers couldn't give negative feedback sometime ago, lot of complaints, but ebay not taken one bit of notice. Only seam to be interested in buyer protection these days, and not so much seller protection.
I'm very much thinking of closing my account soon and not bothering anymore.
And don't even bother putting your vehicle for auction as they take 3% off the total selling price :-/ . Not so bad if your cars worth £1000 as it's only £30, but if you've got a £10,000 car that's £300 !!. Best off doing a fixed classified ad, around £13 and no final fee (or there wasn't last time I looked ?).
Don't know about others, but seem to be hearing more negative things about ebay lately, and have you noticed there not advertising on the TV like they used to..... erm.... wonder why ??. :D
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We have been gradually shifting our customer base from ebay to our own website, mainly because of the lack of seller protection on ebay. The fees we would have paid ebay when we sell via our website go to charity.
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We have been gradually shifting our customer base from ebay to our own website, mainly because of the lack of seller protection on ebay. The fees we would have paid ebay when we sell via our website go to charity.
Great idea!
I have seen others post one item cheaply with "please call ------ or visit www.-----" on there to get them to go direct.
I have NEVER understood why ebay stopped sellers being able to warn others about poor buyers via feedback. It was the whole point of ebay!
I can't be bothered to risk my 100% score unless there is a huge profit. ebay's loss-from their own doing.
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It's quite simple, if you don't like their rules (they are trying to put the bias back towards buyers), you're not forced to use the service ;)
Ebay's biggest problem is it was ruined by 2 kinds of sellers. Good on them for at least attempting to turn that around.
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Who else finds Ebay a pain to use now?
Talking about the crazy rule now about offering free P&P in certain categories. Trying to list some mags, only putting them up for starting @ 99p but you have to give free P&P...........not worth it.
Only way around it is add it to the starting price, then I have to start paying extra listing/final value fees, then of course they probably won't sell, thus costing me more.....which idiot thought this one up.
Mick
See my earlier comments on this thread:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258471484/new
Ebay >:(
Yep read that thread.
Come to the conclusion a while back that ebay only seem to want volume sellers now, business and shops. Can't be arsed with the small timers who just want to get rid a few low cost items, the sellers who put them where they are now!
Mick
Which is my pet gripe.
Why cant they seperate the shops/but it now's and let the rest stay as an auction as it was intened.
Bring back ebase5, was far superior to ebay, and up to the point of it being shut down I had never used or wanted to use ebay. :-/
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Anyone know, or even used an alternative to ebay?
Used that Auctiva for listing, it linked up to your ebay listings............they even started charging to use that. Was that in some way connected to ebay?
Mick
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Used to sell lots of knicknac type things on Ebay - given up now do a yearly CBS instead.
As to costs - about 20% I think
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Anyone know, or even used an alternative to ebay?
Used that Auctiva for listing, it linked up to your ebay listings............they even started charging to use that. Was that in some way connected to ebay?
Mick
I think the next biggest is Ebid, but even they're a minnow compared to fleeceBay.
I stopped selling on fleeceBay years ago when they/PayPal decided they didn't want to pay UK tax and abide by UK laws by shifting their accounts to Luxembourg. I closed my Pay-an-arm-and-a-leg-in-feesPal account - so when they stipulated all listings to offer PayPal as payment method, and stopped negative feedback for dodgy buyers that was it as far as I was concerned.
We have a car-boot within half mile of us so just use that when we need to.
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Who else finds Ebay a pain to use now?
Talking about the crazy rule now about offering free P&P in certain categories. Trying to list some mags, only putting them up for starting @ 99p but you have to give free P&P...........not worth it.
Only way around it is add it to the starting price, then I have to start paying extra listing/final value fees, then of course they probably won't sell, thus costing me more.....which idiot thought this one up.
Mick
See my earlier comments on this thread:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258471484/new
Ebay >:(
Yep read that thread.
Come to the conclusion a while back that ebay only seem to want volume sellers now, business and shops. Can't be arsed with the small timers who just want to get rid a few low cost items, the sellers who put them where they are now!
Mick
Which is my pet gripe.
Why cant they seperate the shops/but it now's and let the rest stay as an auction as it was intened.
Bring back ebase5, was far superior to ebay, and up to the point of it being shut down I had never used or wanted to use ebay. :-/
I disagree - I reckon the changes are helping the person just wishing to sell bits and bobs, rather than the 'amateur pros' and the true traders. But under the new regime, buyers are the kings (which is good for everyone).
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Anyone know, or even used an alternative to ebay?
Used that Auctiva for listing, it linked up to your ebay listings............they even started charging to use that. Was that in some way connected to ebay?
Mick
I think the next biggest is Ebid, but even they're a minnow compared to fleeceBay.
I stopped selling on fleeceBay years ago when they/PayPal decided they didn't want to pay UK tax and abide by UK laws by shifting their accounts to Luxembourg. I closed my Pay-an-arm-and-a-leg-in-feesPal account - so when they stipulated all listings to offer PayPal as payment method, and stopped negative feedback for dodgy buyers that was it as far as I was concerned.
We have a car-boot within half mile of us so just use that when we need to.
You don't have to use Paypal, you can use any clearing house you like. Buyers want to use cards/bank accounts, rather than cock about with cheques and POs.
As a merchant service, Paypal are as competitive as many bank's own merchant service. Where Paypal is not so good (just like most merchant services) is micropayments.
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I usually up the postage on auction items to cover listing fees and start price to cover paypal fees
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I usually up the postage on auction items to cover listing fees and start price to cover paypal fees
As a buyer, I perfer to see all the money go on the item, with free delivery offered. Eg, I'd rather buy and item for £5 with free delivery than £2.50 with £2.50 delivery for same item, as I get more cashback that way ;)
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Who else finds Ebay a pain to use now?
Talking about the crazy rule now about offering free P&P in certain categories. Trying to list some mags, only putting them up for starting @ 99p but you have to give free P&P...........not worth it.
Only way around it is add it to the starting price, then I have to start paying extra listing/final value fees, then of course they probably won't sell, thus costing me more.....which idiot thought this one up.
Mick
See my earlier comments on this thread:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258471484/new
Ebay >:(
Yep read that thread.
Come to the conclusion a while back that ebay only seem to want volume sellers now, business and shops. Can't be arsed with the small timers who just want to get rid a few low cost items, the sellers who put them where they are now!
Mick
Which is my pet gripe.
Why cant they seperate the shops/but it now's and let the rest stay as an auction as it was intened.
Bring back ebase5, was far superior to ebay, and up to the point of it being shut down I had never used or wanted to use ebay. :-/
I disagree - I reckon the changes are helping the person just wishing to sell bits and bobs, rather than the 'amateur pros' and the true traders. But under the new regime, buyers are the kings (which is good for everyone).
I disagree that it's good for everyone. In the case of ebay they have created a dodgy buyers charter, whereby any buyer can claim non receipt and they get refunded without any investigation, even if recorded delivery is used ("that's not my signature!" ).
We are small time traders and fill about 50 orders a week via ebay and the same (at the mo) via the website .... guess where we get 100% of the hassle from ???...... ebayers !!!! Yet both get the exact same service, sent the exact same way. How come it's only ebay parcels that get lost !??
On top of that, ebayers always seem to want the parcel to arrive the day BEFORE they make the purchase >:(
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I noticed this when i tried to sell some books recently so just wrote in the description section the P&P charge and to ignore the free P&P stated above :).
I can only assume eBay are doing this because they have realised they dropped a clanger offering no insertion fees for items listed at £0.99 starting prices. conning gits >:(.
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I usually up the postage on auction items to cover listing fees and start price to cover paypal fees
You've not done this for a while then-one of the complainers (me included) points is that ebay are now limiting postage amounts, and even setting the maximum as FREE on certain categories. The regular users are complaining about the NEW rules!!!
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Who else finds Ebay a pain to use now?
Talking about the crazy rule now about offering free P&P in certain categories. Trying to list some mags, only putting them up for starting @ 99p but you have to give free P&P...........not worth it.
Only way around it is add it to the starting price, then I have to start paying extra listing/final value fees, then of course they probably won't sell, thus costing me more.....which idiot thought this one up.
Mick
See my earlier comments on this thread:
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1258471484/new
Ebay >:(
Yep read that thread.
Come to the conclusion a while back that ebay only seem to want volume sellers now, business and shops. Can't be arsed with the small timers who just want to get rid a few low cost items, the sellers who put them where they are now!
Mick
Which is my pet gripe.
Why cant they seperate the shops/but it now's and let the rest stay as an auction as it was intened.
Bring back ebase5, was far superior to ebay, and up to the point of it being shut down I had never used or wanted to use ebay. :-/
I disagree - I reckon the changes are helping the person just wishing to sell bits and bobs, rather than the 'amateur pros' and the true traders. But under the new regime, buyers are the kings (which is good for everyone).
I disagree that it's good for everyone. In the case of ebay they have created a dodgy buyers charter, whereby any buyer can claim non receipt and they get refunded without any investigation, even if recorded delivery is used ("that's not my signature!" ).
We are small time traders and fill about 50 orders a week via ebay and the same (at the mo) via the website .... guess where we get 100% of the hassle from ???...... ebayers !!!! Yet both get the exact same service, sent the exact same way. How come it's only ebay parcels that get lost !??
On top of that, ebayers always seem to want the parcel to arrive the day BEFORE they make the purchase >:(
COULD NOT HAVE PUT IT BETTER MYSELF :y :y :y
I used to do loads of 'bay, but the new emphasis on buyers, the enforced mail prices coupled with buyers who are wholly unrealistic and try to fiddle you at every stage because they know they can get off scott-free without anyone knowing, now puts me off.
As TB says, you don't have to use it, but what was a great, fair way to deal is now so biased towards the buyers, the seller, acting fairly, loses out.
As there is no alternative, people will use it-begrudgingly. :y :y
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Unfortuantely sometimes buyers take advantage of the rules which I think drives sellers away. I recently sold a Weller soldering station, in good nick I had been using it for 5-6 years with no problems. I shipped it, the buyer then emailed back to say it wasn't working and wanted a refund. I said send the iron back and I'll get it fixed, but no he wanted a refund. He started a Paypal claim which ruled in his favour so back it came and the dosh was refunded. I then got an email saying that if I paid his return postage he wouldn't leave -ve feedback. Yeah right. Ebay won't refund the final value fee, so I got a broken iron, -ve feedback and its cost me £14 for the privilege. In response to emails to them they are full of crap like "as your goods were damaged complain to the authorities", but refund the listing fee, well they haven't responded to that question.
Ebay is too big and trying to run things things according to an inflexible sequence of steps, which doesn't work. Transactions aren't always cut and dried, they don't adequately cater for problems.
Ken
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I dont sell a thing on Ebay after a muppet tried on with me selling a laptop yeqars ago, because of it I will only ever buy from ebay.
As much as I sympathise with every comment so far from sellers, I have to admit that not all sellers are equal.
Some do blatantly over charge on postage and packing, like a fiver for a DVD film in a case and stuffed in a jiffy bag, the only time I have found these were worth buying is when they were listed to end in the early hours and no one bid on thier 1p start item, so total coast £5.01
I hate being charged for insurance and it gets sent 2nd class normal post.
Same as above I pay for 1st and get 2nd class.
I also think some sellers just dont send the small items and hope they get forgotton about.
I hate leaving bad feedback, and would love to give them a glowing report, but some, sdaly only have thierslevs to blame.
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I dont sell a thing on Ebay after a muppet tried on with me selling a laptop yeqars ago, because of it I will only ever buy from ebay.
As much as I sympathise with every comment so far from sellers, I have to admit that not all sellers are equal.
Some do blatantly over charge on postage and packing, like a fiver for a DVD film in a case and stuffed in a jiffy bag, the only time I have found these were worth buying is when they were listed to end in the early hours and no one bid on thier 1p start item, so total coast £5.01
I hate being charged for insurance and it gets sent 2nd class normal post.
Same as above I pay for 1st and get 2nd class.
I also think some sellers just dont send the small items and hope they get forgotton about.
I hate leaving bad feedback, and would love to give them a glowing report, but some, sdaly only have thierslevs to blame.
So if you had bad service you would leave -ve feedback; fair's fair-this would warn other buyers.
What about us sellers who get very stupid buyers who take the mick and give us endless often fraudulent problems; we can't give -ve feedback to them and warn other sellers.
We are just held to ransom over them giving us +ve feedback.
Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid system >:( >:(
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I dont sell a thing on Ebay after a muppet tried on with me selling a laptop yeqars ago, because of it I will only ever buy from ebay.
As much as I sympathise with every comment so far from sellers, I have to admit that not all sellers are equal.
Some do blatantly over charge on postage and packing, like a fiver for a DVD film in a case and stuffed in a jiffy bag, the only time I have found these were worth buying is when they were listed to end in the early hours and no one bid on thier 1p start item, so total coast £5.01
I hate being charged for insurance and it gets sent 2nd class normal post.
Same as above I pay for 1st and get 2nd class.
I also think some sellers just dont send the small items and hope they get forgotton about.
I hate leaving bad feedback, and would love to give them a glowing report, but some, sdaly only have thierslevs to blame.
So if you had bad service you would leave -ve feedback; fair's fair-this would warn other buyers.
What about us sellers who get very stupid buyers who take the mick and give us endless often fraudulent problems; we can't give -ve feedback to them and warn other sellers.
We are just held to ransom over them giving us +ve feedback.
Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid system >:( >:(
Just read this back...
What I mean is it should be a level playing field where fair ebayers (sellers and buyers) are recognised and bad ones publicised for all to see and make their own judgement.
This is no longer the case-buyers hold all the cards now, which is wrong.
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Ebay has used its' popularity top become a search engine and advertising site for volume sellers rather than a forum for members of the public to buy and sell their junk, IMHO.
I'd rather give stuff away on freecycle than go to the hassle of trying to sell on Ebay for pennies. It's just not worth the hassle unless you're in the business of selling volumes of stuff IMHO. Their loss, not mine.
Kevin
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Ebay has used its' popularity top become a search engine and advertising site for volume sellers rather than a forum for members of the public to buy and sell their junk, IMHO.
I'd rather give stuff away on freecycle than go to the hassle of trying to sell on Ebay for pennies. It's just not worth the hassle unless you're in the business of selling volumes of stuff IMHO. Their loss, not mine.
Kevin
Yeah, agreed.
Shame though, as I used to enjoy things as they were, when I used to buy random stuff (eg die cast models) just to sell it on ebay to assist collectors trying to find it. Not much profit but nice hobby and the buyers were very happy.
Not worth the hassle any more.
I wonder if the global advertising revenue outweighs the loss of disgruntled sellers giving up paying small fees, per chance ;)
It is alway about money ;D
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Just closed my ebay & PayPal account today as fed up with the increased fees, etc, and the fact as a seller I've only got the option of positive or leave feed back later choice ?.
Like people have said you don't have to use it, or use it begrudgingly.
Problem is there are a lot of complainers of ebay, and telling them about it. Where as I think what a lot of people should be doing is is like you would with a physical shop, if the service isn't good you go else where and till they learn that they need to change their act. Same really needs to be done by demonstrating to ebay by people closing their accounts. Once ebay start getting the gist that their customer base is starting to disappear as account holders are not happy they may change.
And as to the comments that ebay are doing something about it, and good on them protecting the buyers, yes this is good, but if they only protect the buyers, and only buyers are on there due to the way things are going, what are they going to do when the sellers disappear ?.
Do I regreat closing my ebay account, nope.
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Ebay has used its' popularity top become a search engine and advertising site for volume sellers rather than a forum for members of the public to buy and sell their junk, IMHO.
I'd rather give stuff away on freecycle than go to the hassle of trying to sell on Ebay for pennies. It's just not worth the hassle unless you're in the business of selling volumes of stuff IMHO. Their loss, not mine.
Kevin
We now do a car boot sale every 6 months or so
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General gist of this is that ebay is good for buyers but the new rules make it poor for sellers who are dealing with dishonest or unrealistic buyers.
I worked really hard to build up my reputation as a seller and do not want to lose this by closing my account, so I just use ebay to sell very occasionally now, instead of using them and paying fees every week.
Their loss.
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Ebay has used its' popularity top become a search engine and advertising site for volume sellers rather than a forum for members of the public to buy and sell their junk, IMHO.
I'd rather give stuff away on freecycle than go to the hassle of trying to sell on Ebay for pennies. It's just not worth the hassle unless you're in the business of selling volumes of stuff IMHO. Their loss, not mine.
Kevin
We now do a car boot sale every 6 months or so
Problem with them is that I return with more junk. ::)
Keivn
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Ebay has used its' popularity top become a search engine and advertising site for volume sellers rather than a forum for members of the public to buy and sell their junk, IMHO.
I'd rather give stuff away on freecycle than go to the hassle of trying to sell on Ebay for pennies. It's just not worth the hassle unless you're in the business of selling volumes of stuff IMHO. Their loss, not mine.
Kevin
We now do a car boot sale every 6 months or so
Problem with them is that I return with more junk. ::)
Keivn
I couldn't find any decent junk to buy ;D ;D
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General gist of this is that ebay is good for buyers but the new rules make it poor for sellers who are dealing with dishonest or unrealistic buyers.
I worked really hard to build up my reputation as a seller and do not want to lose this by closing my account, so I just use ebay to sell very occasionally now, instead of using them and paying fees every week.
Their loss.
I worked hard to to be a good seller & buyer also Cruisetopoland, and both being the seller & buyer I had timewasters like a lot out there, but lately I've had my fair share of it all, and the late changes that ebay have made, and now the changes with the fee's I've called it a day.
Back to the old classifieds ad's !.
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It appears to be having problems tonight,cant search for anything.Wonder if they borrowed the OOF server from Jaime. ::) :D
I have been lucky so far,had 107 trades, both buying and selling without any problems.I am watching a car which finishes tomorrow,and am reluctant to bid.The buyer only has 8 feedback score,all from buying,and it will be cash on collection (a 4 figure sum) from Southall in London.
I have heard some horror stories recently about people turning up with cash to collect cars and ending up getting a kicking and the money taken off them. :-/
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General gist of this is that ebay is good for buyers but the new rules make it poor for sellers who are dealing with dishonest or unrealistic buyers.
I worked really hard to build up my reputation as a seller and do not want to lose this by closing my account, so I just use ebay to sell very occasionally now, instead of using them and paying fees every week.
Their loss.
I worked hard to to be a good seller & buyer also Cruisetopoland, and both being the seller & buyer I had timewasters like a lot out there, but lately I've had my fair share of it all, and the late changes that ebay have made, and now the changes with the fee's I've called it a day.
Back to the old classifieds ad's !.
I think it down to what you sell; mine is mostly odd or rare collectables that ebay has the market for, hence why I put up with the new nonsense occasionally. The general stuff I used to sell now goes elsewhere to protect my feedback score.
The stupid thing is that ebay have upset so many sellers-many have left like you, or now sell less like me.
Why did they do it??
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Well I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I'm going to make a prediction here and say that in 7months time, there’s going to be a news report, and that the media will be announcing something really big that’s going to rock ebay into suddenly changing their ways !!.
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Well I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I'm going to make a prediction here and say that in 7months time, there’s going to be a news report, and that the media will be announcing something really big that’s going to rock ebay into suddenly changing their ways !!.
It will be Google
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Well I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I'm going to make a prediction here and say that in 7months time, there’s going to be a news report, and that the media will be announcing something really big that’s going to rock ebay into suddenly changing their ways !!.
It will be Google
As t'was long ago rumoured .... is something finally going to happen ?
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Yes ebay charges fees as does paypal which i only use for low priced items buying or selling. Ebay listing fees are equivalent to advertising in the Auto trader, local rag each of which are pitched at a limited coverage, & you don't have to put up with the 3rd party canvassers who phone & ask you for £80 regardless of how you worded your ad. >:( I buy & sell OLD 50/60/70's diecast on ebay. You rarely see these at booties, the only alternative is petrol to a toyfair plus door fees & stall fees if you're selling so it takes a while to break even. I've sold 3 cars on ebay each of which ended early with cash at the door. I've found items i'd never find in a shopping centre, bought xmas & b'day pressies from the comfort of my own home, even arranged with the seller to send direct.
Yes ebay has it's issues but i can find/ sell/ buy almost anything so easily so am sticking with it. :)